7b. What Is Kombucha?

[Guest guest]

Well said Bev, I totally agree.

BTW, GT is the only one (that I know of) that has labeled

his ingredients (beyond government regs) which I applaud him

for.

I should note that some commercial bottlers of KT did send

their brands in for comparisons to Roussin research

group. (Pronatura and Kombucha2000 were two of those and all

results are available from kombucha-research.org and their

eBook) and it was with Pronatura who claimed glucuronic

acid as an ingredient (still does) in which Roussin did not

find any (no glucuronic acid in any of the 2,000 ferments

tested) which has lead to much debate. GT, as well as

several other European brands claim glucuronic acid as part

of their ferment. [bev, as well as some 2,000 others also

had their ferments tested]. Awhile latter there was another

round of group testing with more of a focus on certain acids

and caffeine.

I would like to see another round of testing and would

volunteer to help provide logistics, etc to facilitate if

there is interest.

I also would like to echo your statement that there is alot

we do not know. And that we should not be judgmental just

curious.

live free and healthy

Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist & Medicinal Herbalist

http://HappyHerbalist.com eddy@...

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7b. What Is Kombucha?

Posted by: " yoganandaom " OM@... yoganandaom

Date: Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:02 pm (PDT)

Hi Ed and EveryOne,

Regarding SCOBY: " a symbiotic colony, culture, community of

yeast and

bacteria " . That doesn't specify _Kombucha_ but since it was

created on

the Original Kombucha list for the purpose of

_simplification_ namely

to write SCOBY instead of Kombucha Colony, Kombucha Culture,

etc. it

was meant to refer to Kombucha on this list and so it should

stay. I

note it has spread way beyond this list by now:-))

So for this list at least, a SCOBY is a symbiotic colony of

yeasts and

bacteria which comprise Kombucha. Now which yeasts and

bacteria are

Kombucha?

What is Kombucha is being called into question lately.

Specifically by

the discussion of GT's ingredients. You and I both have

posted in

recent days the lists of Yeasts and Bacteria in traditional

Kombucha

as found by Mike Roussin and other researchers and reported

by

Guenther in his book.

Several people on this list however, are fermenting Kombucha

that

began with GT's which seems to have a very different

ingredients list.

I would like to keep room open for a discussion of the

various

ingredients and how they effect the resulting beverage. I

would very

much like to hear from GT Dave why he used the ingredients

he did

instead of the standard ingredients. I would also like to

hear from

those brewing from GT Daves what they are experiencing in

terms of

benefits etc. There is a lot we don't know yet.....

Since I personally cannot say at this point one is better

than the

other, I would like to stay open to consideration of both to

learn

more about the effects of the various ingredients.

I can say however that _from the list of ingredients_, GT

Dave's is

not the same as the traditional Kombucha we have been

discussing here

for years.

In the pas, people have written about " strains " of Kombucha

and I

never thought too much about it because it seemed to me that

after

awhile whatever Kombucha you started with would be changed

by local

conditions just like what happens to sour dough. However

that is just

my opinion. Others feel strongly the opposite.

Perhaps for the purpose of clarification, we could refer to

traditional Kombucha as Kombucha and GT's as GT's. Just for

the sake

of defining our terms...so we can have a fruitful discussion

and all

learn from each other.

I think what is in discussion here is not so much what is a

SCOBY but

what is Kombucha?

Peace, Love and Harmony,

Bev

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I'm interested, at least in seeing test results, in terms of

species and chemical contents. If possible, I'd love to submit a

sample of my coffee/cocoa biofilm.

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Well said Bev, I totally agree.

BTW, GT is the only one (that I know of) that has labeled

his ingredients (beyond government regs) which I applaud him

for.

I should note that some commercial bottlers of KT did send

their brands in for comparisons to Roussin research

group. (Pronatura and Kombucha2000 were two of those and all

results are available from kombucha-research.org and their

eBook) and it was with Pronatura who claimed glucuronic

acid as an ingredient (still does) in which Roussin did not

find any (no glucuronic acid in any of the 2,000 ferments

tested) which has lead to much debate. GT, as well as

several other European brands claim glucuronic acid as part

of their ferment. [bev, as well as some 2,000 others also

had their ferments tested]. Awhile latter there was another

round of group testing with more of a focus on certain acids

and caffeine.

I would like to see another round of testing and would

volunteer to help provide logistics, etc to facilitate if

there is interest.

I also would like to echo your statement that there is alot

we do not know. And that we should not be judgmental just

curious.

live free and healthy

Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist & Medicinal Herbalist

http://HappyHerbalist.com eddy@...

.............................original message

..............................

7b. What Is Kombucha?

Posted by: " yoganandaom " OM@... yoganandaom

Date: Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:02 pm (PDT)

Hi Ed and EveryOne,

Regarding SCOBY: " a symbiotic colony, culture, community of

yeast and

bacteria " . That doesn't specify _Kombucha_ but since it was

created on

the Original Kombucha list for the purpose of

_simplification_ namely

to write SCOBY instead of Kombucha Colony, Kombucha Culture,

etc. it

was meant to refer to Kombucha on this list and so it should

stay. I

note it has spread way beyond this list by now:-))

So for this list at least, a SCOBY is a symbiotic colony of

yeasts and

bacteria which comprise Kombucha. Now which yeasts and

bacteria are

Kombucha?

What is Kombucha is being called into question lately.

Specifically by

the discussion of GT's ingredients. You and I both have

posted in

recent days the lists of Yeasts and Bacteria in traditional

Kombucha

as found by Mike Roussin and other researchers and reported

by

Guenther in his book.

Several people on this list however, are fermenting Kombucha

that

began with GT's which seems to have a very different

ingredients list.

I would like to keep room open for a discussion of the

various

ingredients and how they effect the resulting beverage. I

would very

much like to hear from GT Dave why he used the ingredients

he did

instead of the standard ingredients. I would also like to

hear from

those brewing from GT Daves what they are experiencing in

terms of

benefits etc. There is a lot we don't know yet.....

Since I personally cannot say at this point one is better

than the

other, I would like to stay open to consideration of both to

learn

more about the effects of the various ingredients.

I can say however that _from the list of ingredients_, GT

Dave's is

not the same as the traditional Kombucha we have been

discussing here

for years.

In the pas, people have written about " strains " of Kombucha

and I

never thought too much about it because it seemed to me that

after

awhile whatever Kombucha you started with would be changed

by local

conditions just like what happens to sour dough. However

that is just

my opinion. Others feel strongly the opposite.

Perhaps for the purpose of clarification, we could refer to

traditional Kombucha as Kombucha and GT's as GT's. Just for

the sake

of defining our terms...so we can have a fruitful discussion

and all

learn from each other.

I think what is in discussion here is not so much what is a

SCOBY but

what is Kombucha?

Peace, Love and Harmony,

Bev