RE: Cleaning Carpet & Pad Condition

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Barb

I do not know what that underpad was, but it should become 'historical' as

soon as you can get someone else to carefully remove it all. Have them bag

it carefully and do not use a vacuum cleaner to pick up the mess, just a

whisk and dust pan.

Jim H. White SSAL

Cleaning Carpet & Pad Condition

>I have all wool carpet that looks beautiful even though it is about 40

> years old to my calculations. House was in family before I had it.

> However pad under it is clumbling. It is type i've never seen before,

> dark brown, looks like crushed cardboard now. Do you think that that

> could be causing air quality problems. I'm the one who feels better

> when I leave my home. PUtting a fresh air intake has made a huge

> difference but I still feel better when I go out.

>

>

>> Bob

>> Right on!

>>

>> It takes a long while to clean carpet that has not been kept clean;

> five minutes a square yard is not too long for carpet that is several

> years old. Even longer is required in some cases. This has been well

> proven with

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[Guest guest]

Jim,

Your advice has me puzzled this time. Wouldn't using a whisk and dust pan result

in even more (larger size fractions) suspended particulate in the air than a

vacuum cleaner? How about using a HEPA vac, or even a shop-vac as long as the

vac itself was outside and only the suction hose was inside?

Respectfully,

Curtis Redington, RS

Environmental Quality Specialist

City of Wichita Dept. of Environmental Health

Re: Cleaning Carpet & Pad Condition

Barb

I do not know what that underpad was, but it should become 'historical' as

soon as you can get someone else to carefully remove it all. Have them bag

it carefully and do not use a vacuum cleaner to pick up the mess, just a

whisk and dust pan.

Jim H. White SSAL

Cleaning Carpet & Pad Condition

>I have all wool carpet that looks beautiful even though it is about 40

> years old to my calculations. House was in family before I had it.

> However pad under it is clumbling. It is type i've never seen before,

> dark brown, looks like crushed cardboard now. Do you think that that

> could be causing air quality problems. I'm the one who feels better

> when I leave my home. PUtting a fresh air intake has made a huge

> difference but I still feel better when I go out.

>

>

>> Bob

>> Right on!

>>

>> It takes a long while to clean carpet that has not been kept clean;

> five minutes a square yard is not too long for carpet that is several

> years old. Even longer is required in some cases. This has been well

> proven with

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Curtis

The most dangerous part of the particulate is the really fine stuff and a

normal vacuum just spews that right into your face. When I tested for

resuspension of fines there was much less with gentle sweeping than normal

vacuuming.

Either the HEPA (but with a non-powered head) or the shop vac (same

limitation) that was outdoors, or had a hose on the outlet that went

outdoors, would do just fine.

It is possible to send up a lot of dust by sweeping, or very little if you

are careful. I supposed that the user, in this case, would be careful.

Jim H. White SSAL

Cleaning Carpet & Pad Condition

>

>

>>I have all wool carpet that looks beautiful even though it is about 40

>> years old to my calculations. House was in family before I had it.

>> However pad under it is clumbling. It is type i've never seen before,

>> dark brown, looks like crushed cardboard now. Do you think that that

>> could be causing air quality problems. I'm the one who feels better

>> when I leave my home. PUtting a fresh air intake has made a huge

>> difference but I still feel better when I go out.

>>

>>

>>> Bob

>>> Right on!

>>>

>>> It takes a long while to clean carpet that has not been kept clean;

>> five minutes a square yard is not too long for carpet that is several

>> years old. Even longer is required in some cases. This has been well

>> proven with

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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[Guest guest]

Jim,

Okay, I discovered it is a horsehair pad. The house is old. The

padding is old fashioned and old but horsehair I think has a

reputation for being real sturdy but over 45 years maybe a long

time. I don't know if it is breaking down or not now, just is dusty

under the carpet. The dust is same color as horsehair so I assume

after 45 years or so this is from at least some breakdown of fibers.

Are you suggesting that if it isn't in good condition I just remove

pad but not carpet????????? I would assume although carpet still is

in very good condition, I wouldn't put old carpet back down over new

padding but I don't know. Maybe this is reasonable. It would

depend on cost.

Thanks,

Barb

> Barb

> I do not know what that underpad was, but it should

become 'historical' as

> soon as you can get someone else to carefully remove it all. Have

them bag

> it carefully and do not use a vacuum cleaner to pick up the mess,

just a

> whisk and dust pan.

> Jim H. White SSAL

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " barb1283 " <barb1283@y...>

> >

> >I have all wool carpet that looks beautiful even though it is

about 40

> > years old to my calculations. House was in family before I had

it.

> > However pad under it is clumbling. It is type i've never seen

before,

> > dark brown, looks like crushed cardboard now.

[Guest guest]

I have a Shop Vac but not hepa vac. I have been looking at them but

haven't purchased one. I could check to see if I can get extra length

of hose for it.

> Curtis

> The most dangerous part of the particulate is the really fine stuff

and a

> normal vacuum just spews that right into your face. When I tested

for

[Guest guest]

Barb

Yes, just replace the pad. You cannot get carpet like that anymore.

You did, I hope get the gist of several previous messages: use a HEPA

vacuum, or a central vacuum cleaner that is vented outdoors; and it takes at

least 5 minutes per square yard to clean a carpet that has not been well

vacuumed all along. Vacuum in four directions, if possible.

Jim

Re: Cleaning Carpet & Pad Condition

> Jim,

> Okay, I discovered it is a horsehair pad. The house is old. The

> padding is old fashioned and old but horsehair I think has a

> reputation for being real sturdy but over 45 years maybe a long

> time. I don't know if it is breaking down or not now, just is dusty

> under the carpet. The dust is same color as horsehair so I assume

> after 45 years or so this is from at least some breakdown of fibers.

> Are you suggesting that if it isn't in good condition I just remove

> pad but not carpet????????? I would assume although carpet still is

> in very good condition, I wouldn't put old carpet back down over new

> padding but I don't know. Maybe this is reasonable. It would

> depend on cost.

> Thanks,

> Barb

>

>

>> Barb

>> I do not know what that underpad was, but it should

> become 'historical' as

>> soon as you can get someone else to carefully remove it all. Have

> them bag

>> it carefully and do not use a vacuum cleaner to pick up the mess,

> just a

>> whisk and dust pan.

>> Jim H. White SSAL

>>

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: " barb1283 " <barb1283@y...>

>> >

>> >I have all wool carpet that looks beautiful even though it is

> about 40

>> > years old to my calculations. House was in family before I had

> it.

>> > However pad under it is clumbling. It is type i've never seen

> before,

>> > dark brown, looks like crushed cardboard now.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Jim,

Thanks for the reply. I had envisioned some carpet installer, handy-man, or

husband raising huge clouds of particulate as the floor was hurriedly swept with

a shop broom that has seen better days. Even with careful sweeping, it would

seem difficult to actually remove the notorious " fines " without a significant

percentage becoming suspended. I'll acquiesce to your far greater experience,

however, and share your hope that the person doing the sweeping is doing so

carefully.

Curtis Redington, WDEH

Re: Cleaning Carpet & Pad Condition

Curtis

The most dangerous part of the particulate is the really fine stuff and a

normal vacuum just spews that right into your face. When I tested for

resuspension of fines there was much less with gentle sweeping than normal

vacuuming.

Either the HEPA (but with a non-powered head) or the shop vac (same

limitation) that was outdoors, or had a hose on the outlet that went

outdoors, would do just fine.

It is possible to send up a lot of dust by sweeping, or very little if you

are careful. I supposed that the user, in this case, would be careful.

Jim H. White SSAL

Cleaning Carpet & Pad Condition

>

>

>>I have all wool carpet that looks beautiful even though it is about 40

>> years old to my calculations. House was in family before I had it.

>> However pad under it is clumbling. It is type i've never seen before,

>> dark brown, looks like crushed cardboard now. Do you think that that

>> could be causing air quality problems. I'm the one who feels better

>> when I leave my home. PUtting a fresh air intake has made a huge

>> difference but I still feel better when I go out.

>>

>>

>>> Bob

>>> Right on!

>>>

>>> It takes a long while to clean carpet that has not been kept clean;

>> five minutes a square yard is not too long for carpet that is several

>> years old. Even longer is required in some cases. This has been well

>> proven with

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>>

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>> been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such

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