Guest guest Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Hi. I am sorry if this has already been answered somewhere, but does anyone know if it is possible to give a child too much MB12, where it causes harm? My 3 year old daughter is responding very nicely (increased language) to MB12 injections and now the nasal spray, and as a result our DAN doctor wants us to increase the potency of the dose a little bit and to increase the dosing to once per day (instead of every other day). I do not know enough about MB12 to know if any MB12 not used by the body is easily discarded by the body (like Vitamin C) or whether it builds up. I had thought the reason for dosing every other day, or once every three days, was because the body couldn't absorb it all at once. Thank you very much, Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 We originally started with every 3rd day of MB12 and twice my son asked for his shot a day earlier ( he is somewhat verbal...requests but not conversational) We experimented with the MB12 giving it every other day and every day and every third. We finally settled on every other day. Each kid is different and it's ok to try different dosing schedules to try to find what works best for your child. Dr Neubrander is trying kids with as much as every day to as little as once per week. --- rbm71 wrote: > Hi. I am sorry if this has already been answered > somewhere, but does > anyone know if it is possible to give a child too > much MB12, where it > causes harm? My 3 year old daughter is responding > very nicely > (increased language) to MB12 injections and now the > nasal spray, and as > a result our DAN doctor wants us to increase the > potency of the dose a > little bit and to increase the dosing to once per > day (instead of every > other day). I do not know enough about MB12 to know > if any MB12 not > used by the body is easily discarded by the body > (like Vitamin C) or > whether it builds up. I had thought the reason for > dosing every other > day, or once every three days, was because the body > couldn't absorb it > all at once. > > Thank you very much, > Rich > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 My 2.5 year old gets 1 squirt of nasal every day and 1 shot every third day. We're thinking of making the shot every other day. This is fine with her doc, Dr. Usman, and really seems to help a lot. Even with the nasal every day, we can still tell a " day 1 " (the day she gets nasal AND a shot -- her language and comprehension are amazing) from a " day 3 " (nasal only, it has been two days since a shot, and her language and comprehension are noticably worse). That's why we're probably going to do the shots every other day. > > Hi. I am sorry if this has already been answered somewhere, but does > anyone know if it is possible to give a child too much MB12, where it > causes harm? My 3 year old daughter is responding very nicely > (increased language) to MB12 injections and now the nasal spray, and as > a result our DAN doctor wants us to increase the potency of the dose a > little bit and to increase the dosing to once per day (instead of every > other day). I do not know enough about MB12 to know if any MB12 not > used by the body is easily discarded by the body (like Vitamin C) or > whether it builds up. I had thought the reason for dosing every other > day, or once every three days, was because the body couldn't absorb it > all at once. > > Thank you very much, > Rich > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Hi Rich, Yes, B vitamins are different than C, but B vitamins are quite soluable and some even argue they are the safest vitamins for that reason. Assuming you should always be concerened about giving too much of anything to your child, the nice thing about B12 is that when the body is having difficulty with it, you often see symptoms of an issue quite quickly and when you resolve the dosage any negative symptoms usually clear in a day. Basically said, you should be able to see if your child is taking too much or too little based on their performance. The doses we are using are similar to Sub-q injections that have been used safely for years by thousands of families with children with autism. We've already reached the thousands of families mark with the spray and we have not had any reports of negative symptoms that have lasted more than a day or so. IMO, the real danger is when your child does not have enough MB12. This can lead to major biological problems including toxcicity, smoldering viruses, neurotransmitter impairment, digestive problems and more. In summary, start slow and carefully watch your child and you should be able to see what the " right " dosage is for your child. If someone has enough MB12 in their system or there is not a signiifcant need for MB12... typicallly nothing good happens. Those people usually feel nothing or if there is too much MB12 they might feel a bit tired. If you read pubmed medical articles you won't find any cases of overexposure to mb12. You will find some alergic reactions to cynocobalamin (cb12) but that's about it. All in all...IMO... this is quite a safe therapy to date. - Stan > > Hi. I am sorry if this has already been answered somewhere, but does > anyone know if it is possible to give a child too much MB12, where it > causes harm? My 3 year old daughter is responding very nicely > (increased language) to MB12 injections and now the nasal spray, and as > a result our DAN doctor wants us to increase the potency of the dose a > little bit and to increase the dosing to once per day (instead of every > other day). I do not know enough about MB12 to know if any MB12 not > used by the body is easily discarded by the body (like Vitamin C) or > whether it builds up. I had thought the reason for dosing every other > day, or once every three days, was because the body couldn't absorb it > all at once. > > Thank you very much, > Rich > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Can this be bought/tried without a doctor's order? Is there a test which can be done to determine if your child is deficient in b12? What is a typical doseage to start with for say a 90 lb. almost 15 yo. My son has improved over the years with everything we have done, but there is still something missing. Learning is very hard, altho we are told there is no permanent damage in his brain. He still always moves his legs and sometimes hands as he sits and does work and other times, also. It sounds as tho the mb12 would be safe to use, but I have to see it in writing somewhere before I feel comfortable trying it. Can you refer me to a publication which outlines its use? Thanks. Barb --- Stan Kurtz wrote: > Hi Rich, > > Yes, B vitamins are different than C, but B vitamins > are quite soluable and some even > argue they are the safest vitamins for that reason. > Assuming you should always be > concerened about giving too much of anything to your > child, the nice thing about B12 is > that when the body is having difficulty with it, you > often see symptoms of an issue quite > quickly and when you resolve the dosage any negative > symptoms usually clear in a day. > > Basically said, you should be able to see if your > child is taking too much or too little based > on their performance. The doses we are using are > similar to Sub-q injections that have > been used safely for years by thousands of families > with children with autism. We've > already reached the thousands of families mark with > the spray and we have not had any > reports of negative symptoms that have lasted more > than a day or so. > > IMO, the real danger is when your child does not > have enough MB12. This can lead to > major biological problems including toxcicity, > smoldering viruses, neurotransmitter > impairment, digestive problems and more. > > In summary, start slow and carefully watch your > child and you should be able to see what > the " right " dosage is for your child. If someone > has enough MB12 in their system or there > is not a signiifcant need for MB12... typicallly > nothing good happens. Those people > usually feel nothing or if there is too much MB12 > they might feel a bit tired. > > If you read pubmed medical articles you won't find > any cases of overexposure to mb12. > You will find some alergic reactions to > cynocobalamin (cb12) but that's about it. > > All in all...IMO... this is quite a safe therapy to > date. > > - Stan > > > > > > > > Hi. I am sorry if this has already been answered > somewhere, but does > > anyone know if it is possible to give a child too > much MB12, where it > > causes harm? My 3 year old daughter is responding > very nicely > > (increased language) to MB12 injections and now > the nasal spray, and as > > a result our DAN doctor wants us to increase the > potency of the dose a > > little bit and to increase the dosing to once per > day (instead of every > > other day). I do not know enough about MB12 to > know if any MB12 not > > used by the body is easily discarded by the body > (like Vitamin C) or > > whether it builds up. I had thought the reason > for dosing every other > > day, or once every three days, was because the > body couldn't absorb it > > all at once. > > > > Thank you very much, > > Rich > > > > > > > > Barb Katsaros barbkatsaros@... __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 I would increase the dosages as well. I would play around with both the shots and the spray to figure out what the optimum level is. I think it takes some experiementing. The nice thing is that MB12 not only clears quickly if you give too much, but it also is quite noticable when you give too little, so I would step it up shots and/or sprays until you see the same " Day 1 " results on " Day 2. " You have a nice baseline with day one, so I would make that your goal for Day 2 and then you should be closer to your " right " dosage. If you work on it closely it shouldn't take too long to figure this out. We sometimes get too " stiff " with our thinking about the dosing schedule that it take a long time to figure it out. I would jump in and keep a close look... notes, etc. and I believe you'll figure it out. The only thing I would suggest is to keep watching and from time to time back down the dosage and see if you still see the gains subside. I believe that when you have the right dosage... in time as your child detoxes, their gut improves, etc... you'll need less and less. I almost can't tell you the last time I sprayed and I used to have to take the shots every single day, then I moved to the spray every day... then the spray every other day... third day.. week... several weeks. Metabolically we change as we get healthier. Today, my son does not take any MB12 or Valtrex. So, once you find the right dosage don't assume it will be a static situation. The goal should be is to give what the body needs at the time.. not less... or more. Lastly, the nice thing about the spray is that it is so easy to do trials with. If you are in the afternoon of day 3 and your child is struggling... why not see what another spray might do? A one time trial may give you some interesting data and has little risk. Keep us posted. - Stan > > > > Hi. I am sorry if this has already been answered somewhere, but > does > > anyone know if it is possible to give a child too much MB12, where > it > > causes harm? My 3 year old daughter is responding very nicely > > (increased language) to MB12 injections and now the nasal spray, > and as > > a result our DAN doctor wants us to increase the potency of the > dose a > > little bit and to increase the dosing to once per day (instead of > every > > other day). I do not know enough about MB12 to know if any MB12 > not > > used by the body is easily discarded by the body (like Vitamin C) > or > > whether it builds up. I had thought the reason for dosing every > other > > day, or once every three days, was because the body couldn't > absorb it > > all at once. > > > > Thank you very much, > > Rich > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Rich, I had another thought on this. Even vitamin C has arguable risks. I still use Vitamin C but oral C vitamins may cause oxalates in the gut which may change bacteria and fungal levels in the gut. Some folks are starting to argue strongly about this. It may be the reason why some people get sick from Vitamin C and why some children get diahrrea from it. Again, I still use it... but for some it may turn out to be unhealthy. My point is, everything you add may have some type of risk. What we try to do as parents is to use therapies that are not only scientifically supported in some way but also show the best gains with the least risks. We have not seen any... not one... issue where MB12 has caused a seemingly permanent negative symptom. We have certainly seen children and adults change dramatically in a posative way.... possibly faster than any other therapy we have for autism (at times) or chronic illness. To me, it's one of the best " benefit to risk " ratios of all the therapies we talk about here. - Stan > > > > Hi. I am sorry if this has already been answered somewhere, but does > > anyone know if it is possible to give a child too much MB12, where it > > causes harm? My 3 year old daughter is responding very nicely > > (increased language) to MB12 injections and now the nasal spray, and as > > a result our DAN doctor wants us to increase the potency of the dose a > > little bit and to increase the dosing to once per day (instead of every > > other day). I do not know enough about MB12 to know if any MB12 not > > used by the body is easily discarded by the body (like Vitamin C) or > > whether it builds up. I had thought the reason for dosing every other > > day, or once every three days, was because the body couldn't absorb it > > all at once. > > > > Thank you very much, > > Rich > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 I would like to try the mb12 on me to see how it help my migraines and alopecia. What should I request from my doctor to start with? How did you progress yours when you did it? So, you found that after a while you did not need it anymore? Barb --- Stan Kurtz wrote: > I would increase the dosages as well. I would play > around with both the shots and the > spray to figure out what the optimum level is. I > think it takes some experiementing. The > nice thing is that MB12 not only clears quickly if > you give too much, but it also is quite > noticable when you give too little, so I would step > it up shots and/or sprays until you see > the same " Day 1 " results on " Day 2. " You have a > nice baseline with day one, so I would > make that your goal for Day 2 and then you should be > closer to your " right " dosage. > > If you work on it closely it shouldn't take too long > to figure this out. We sometimes get > too " stiff " with our thinking about the dosing > schedule that it take a long time to figure it > out. I would jump in and keep a close look... > notes, etc. and I believe you'll figure it out. > > The only thing I would suggest is to keep watching > and from time to time back down the > dosage and see if you still see the gains subside. > I believe that when you have the right > dosage... in time as your child detoxes, their gut > improves, etc... you'll need less and less. > > I almost can't tell you the last time I sprayed and > I used to have to take the shots every > single day, then I moved to the spray every day... > then the spray every other day... third > day.. week... several weeks. > > Metabolically we change as we get healthier. > > Today, my son does not take any MB12 or Valtrex. > > So, once you find the right dosage don't assume it > will be a static situation. The goal > should be is to give what the body needs at the > time.. not less... or more. > > Lastly, the nice thing about the spray is that it is > so easy to do trials with. If you are in the > afternoon of day 3 and your child is struggling... > why not see what another spray might > do? A one time trial may give you some interesting > data and has little risk. > > Keep us posted. > > - Stan > > > > > > > > Hi. I am sorry if this has already been > answered somewhere, but > > does > > > anyone know if it is possible to give a child > too much MB12, where > > it > > > causes harm? My 3 year old daughter is > responding very nicely > > > (increased language) to MB12 injections and now > the nasal spray, > > and as > > > a result our DAN doctor wants us to increase the > potency of the > > dose a > > > little bit and to increase the dosing to once > per day (instead of > > every > > > other day). I do not know enough about MB12 to > know if any MB12 > > not > > > used by the body is easily discarded by the body > (like Vitamin C) > > or > > > whether it builds up. I had thought the reason > for dosing every > > other > > > day, or once every three days, was because the > body couldn't > > absorb it > > > all at once. > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > Rich > > > > > > > > > > Barb Katsaros barbkatsaros@... __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 If you want to learn more about the mb-12 shot protocol, go to http://www.drneubrander.com/page2.html. Dr. Neubrander is the one who started the mb-12 treatment; it is a very good idea (IMHO) to read up the documents (Methyl B12 Dosing Chart & Protocols, etc.) over there and get the mb-12 (beware of vial form from Hopewell, which contains preservatives) from one of the pharmercies he had tested, and follows his protocol (including the proper way of giving the shots) for at least 5 weeks to determine whether your kid is a responser. Another way to find out whether your kid needs mb-12 is to do Dr. Yasko's genetic test. Kids with COMT-- genetic marker do well with mb-12, while kids with COMT++ not and kids with COMT-+ will jump in between (overmethlyn and undermethlyn), generally speaking. My best, Ps: the mb-12 needs doctor prescription - if you can get your ped. doctor to prescribe it, your insurance will covered, although most mainstream doctors would not do it because they do not know what it is. Re: Re: Too Much MB12? Can this be bought/tried without a doctor's order? Isthere a test which can be done to determine if yourchild is deficient in b12? What is a typical doseageto start with for say a 90 lb. almost 15 yo. My sonhas improved over the years with everything we havedone, but there is still something missing. Learningis very hard, altho we are told there is no permanentdamage in his brain. He still always moves his legsand sometimes hands as he sits and does work and othertimes, also. It sounds as tho the mb12 would be safeto use, but I have to see it in writing somewherebefore I feel comfortable trying it. Can you refer meto a publication which outlines its use? Thanks. Barb--- Stan Kurtz wrote:> Hi Rich,> > Yes, B vitamins are different than C, but B vitamins> are quite soluable and some even > argue they are the safest vitamins for that reason. > Assuming you should always be > concerened about giving too much of anything to your> child, the nice thing about B12 is > that when the body is having difficulty with it, you> often see symptoms of an issue quite > quickly and when you resolve the dosage any negative> symptoms usually clear in a day.> > Basically said, you should be able to see if your> child is taking too much or too little based > on their performance. The doses we are using are> similar to Sub-q injections that have > been used safely for years by thousands of families> with children with autism. We've > already reached the thousands of families mark with> the spray and we have not had any > reports of negative symptoms that have lasted more> than a day or so. > > IMO, the real danger is when your child does not> have enough MB12. This can lead to > major biological problems including toxcicity,> smoldering viruses, neurotransmitter > impairment, digestive problems and more.> > In summary, start slow and carefully watch your> child and you should be able to see what > the "right" dosage is for your child. If someone> has enough MB12 in their system or there > is not a signiifcant need for MB12... typicallly> nothing good happens. Those people > usually feel nothing or if there is too much MB12> they might feel a bit tired.> > If you read pubmed medical articles you won't find> any cases of overexposure to mb12. > You will find some alergic reactions to> cynocobalamin (cb12) but that's about it.> > All in all...IMO... this is quite a safe therapy to> date.> > - Stan> > > > > >> > Hi. I am sorry if this has already been answered> somewhere, but does > > anyone know if it is possible to give a child too> much MB12, where it > > causes harm? My 3 year old daughter is responding> very nicely > > (increased language) to MB12 injections and now> the nasal spray, and as > > a result our DAN doctor wants us to increase the> potency of the dose a > > little bit and to increase the dosing to once per> day (instead of every > > other day). I do not know enough about MB12 to> know if any MB12 not > > used by the body is easily discarded by the body> (like Vitamin C) or > > whether it builds up. I had thought the reason> for dosing every other > > day, or once every three days, was because the> body couldn't absorb it > > all at once.> > > > Thank you very much,> > Rich> >> > > > > > Barb Katsarosbarbkatsaros@...__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Thanks so much. Do you know how to find out more about Dr. Yasko's test? did you use it? Barb --- " J. Neill " wrote: > If you want to learn more about the mb-12 shot > protocol, go to > http://www.drneubrander.com/page2.html. Dr. > Neubrander is the one who started the mb-12 > treatment; it is a very good idea (IMHO) to read up > the documents (Methyl B12 Dosing Chart & Protocols, > etc.) over there and get the mb-12 (beware of vial > form from Hopewell, which contains preservatives) > from one of the pharmercies he had tested, and > follows his protocol (including the proper way of > giving the shots) for at least 5 weeks to determine > whether your kid is a responser. > > Another way to find out whether your kid needs mb-12 > is to do Dr. Yasko's genetic test. Kids with COMT-- > genetic marker do well with mb-12, while kids with > COMT++ not and kids with COMT-+ will jump in between > (overmethlyn and undermethlyn), generally speaking. > > My best, > > > > Ps: the mb-12 needs doctor prescription - if you can > get your ped. doctor to prescribe it, your insurance > will covered, although most mainstream doctors would > not do it because they do not know what it is. > Re: Re: Too Much MB12? > > > Can this be bought/tried without a doctor's order? > Is > there a test which can be done to determine if > your > child is deficient in b12? What is a typical > doseage > to start with for say a 90 lb. almost 15 yo. My > son > has improved over the years with everything we > have > done, but there is still something missing. > Learning > is very hard, altho we are told there is no > permanent > damage in his brain. He still always moves his > legs > and sometimes hands as he sits and does work and > other > times, also. It sounds as tho the mb12 would be > safe > to use, but I have to see it in writing somewhere > before I feel comfortable trying it. Can you > refer me > to a publication which outlines its use? Thanks. > Barb > > --- Stan Kurtz wrote: > > > Hi Rich, > > > > Yes, B vitamins are different than C, but B > vitamins > > are quite soluable and some even > > argue they are the safest vitamins for that > reason. > > Assuming you should always be > > concerened about giving too much of anything to > your > > child, the nice thing about B12 is > > that when the body is having difficulty with it, > you > > often see symptoms of an issue quite > > quickly and when you resolve the dosage any > negative > > symptoms usually clear in a day. > > > > Basically said, you should be able to see if > your > > child is taking too much or too little based > > on their performance. The doses we are using > are > > similar to Sub-q injections that have > > been used safely for years by thousands of > families > > with children with autism. We've > > already reached the thousands of families mark > with > > the spray and we have not had any > > reports of negative symptoms that have lasted > more > > than a day or so. > > > > IMO, the real danger is when your child does not > > have enough MB12. This can lead to > > major biological problems including toxcicity, > > smoldering viruses, neurotransmitter > > impairment, digestive problems and more. > > > > In summary, start slow and carefully watch your > > child and you should be able to see what > > the " right " dosage is for your child. If > someone > > has enough MB12 in their system or there > > is not a signiifcant need for MB12... typicallly > > nothing good happens. Those people > > usually feel nothing or if there is too much > MB12 > > they might feel a bit tired. > > > > If you read pubmed medical articles you won't > find > > any cases of overexposure to mb12. > > You will find some alergic reactions to > > cynocobalamin (cb12) but that's about it. > > > > All in all...IMO... this is quite a safe therapy > to > > date. > > > > - Stan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi. I am sorry if this has already been > answered > > somewhere, but does > > > anyone know if it is possible to give a child > too > > much MB12, where it > > > causes harm? My 3 year old daughter is > responding > > very nicely > > > (increased language) to MB12 injections and > now > > the nasal spray, and as > > > a result our DAN doctor wants us to increase > the > > potency of the dose a > > > little bit and to increase the dosing to once > per > > day (instead of every > > > other day). I do not know enough about MB12 > to > > know if any MB12 not > > > used by the body is easily discarded by the > body > > (like Vitamin C) or > > > whether it builds up. I had thought the > reason > > for dosing every other > > > day, or once every three days, was because the > > body couldn't absorb it > > > all at once. > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > Rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barb Katsaros > barbkatsaros@... > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Barb, Have you looked in the files section of this sight?? There is a ton of great info in there. MB-12 is one of the safest protocals in my opinion. Dr. Neubrander has given over 70,000 shots and/or sprays, I think, and has a 90% responder rate. www.drneubrander.com and look under downloads. There are also recovery videos on Stan's sight and dr.Neubranders in abundance. Stan's .....www.recoveryvideos.com. MB-12 has to be compounded so you do need a prescription. Is you son's Dr. a DAN doctor? If not you can bring him all of the info you find on those sights and get a prescription from one of the pharmacy mentioned here. Hopewell in NJ or Costal in CA. Dr. Deth and Dr. Neubrander's work is what convinced me. Go to the Autism Research Institute Website ARI and click on the 2005 DAN conference and download Dr. Neubrander's speech. I hope all of this is helpful, I strongly recommend MB-12. - > >Date: Sat Feb 18 12:13:07 CST 2006 >To: mb12 valtrex >Subject: Re: Re: Too Much MB12? >Can this be bought/tried without a doctor's order? Is >there a test which can be done to determine if your >child is deficient in b12? What is a typical doseage >to start with for say a 90 lb. almost 15 yo. My son >has improved over the years with everything we have >done, but there is still something missing. Learning >is very hard, altho we are told there is no permanent >damage in his brain. He still always moves his legs >and sometimes hands as he sits and does work and other >times, also. It sounds as tho the mb12 would be safe >to use, but I have to see it in writing somewhere >before I feel comfortable trying it. Can you refer me >to a publication which outlines its use? Thanks. >Barb > >--- Stan Kurtz wrote: > >> Hi Rich, >> >> Yes, B vitamins are different than C, but B vitamins >> are quite soluable and some even >> argue they are the safest vitamins for that reason. >> Assuming you should always be >> concerened about giving too much of anything to your >> child, the nice thing about B12 is >> that when the body is having difficulty with it, you >> often see symptoms of an issue quite >> quickly and when you resolve the dosage any negative >> symptoms usually clear in a day. >> >> Basically said, you should be able to see if your >> child is taking too much or too little based >> on their performance. The doses we are using are >> similar to Sub-q injections that have >> been used safely for years by thousands of families >> with children with autism. We've >> already reached the thousands of families mark with >> the spray and we have not had any >> reports of negative symptoms that have lasted more >> than a day or so. >> >> IMO, the real danger is when your child does not >> have enough MB12. This can lead to >> major biological problems including toxcicity, >> smoldering viruses, neurotransmitter >> impairment, digestive problems and more. >> >> In summary, start slow and carefully watch your >> child and you should be able to see what >> the " right " dosage is for your child. If someone >> has enough MB12 in their system or there >> is not a signiifcant need for MB12... typicallly >> nothing good happens. Those people >> usually feel nothing or if there is too much MB12 >> they might feel a bit tired. >> >> If you read pubmed medical articles you won't find >> any cases of overexposure to mb12. >> You will find some alergic reactions to >> cynocobalamin (cb12) but that's about it. >> >> All in all...IMO... this is quite a safe therapy to >> date. >> >> - Stan >> >> >> >> >> > >> > Hi. I am sorry if this has already been answered >> somewhere, but does >> > anyone know if it is possible to give a child too >> much MB12, where it >> > causes harm? My 3 year old daughter is responding >> very nicely >> > (increased language) to MB12 injections and now >> the nasal spray, and as >> > a result our DAN doctor wants us to increase the >> potency of the dose a >> > little bit and to increase the dosing to once per >> day (instead of every >> > other day). I do not know enough about MB12 to >> know if any MB12 not >> > used by the body is easily discarded by the body >> (like Vitamin C) or >> > whether it builds up. I had thought the reason >> for dosing every other >> > day, or once every three days, was because the >> body couldn't absorb it >> > all at once. >> > >> > Thank you very much, >> > Rich >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >Barb Katsaros >barbkatsaros@... > >__________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Folks, The thing about the genetic testing or the metabolic tests is they only tell you so much. I would consider them indicators not absolutes. There is seemingly no end to what we still need to learn about the genetic SNPs that are involved in autism as well as the metabolic pathways. Using a test as an absolute marker to see if you need MB12, folinic acid, or AB12 would be a mistake in my opinion. The best way to test your specific child is to do a trial yourself. IMO, there is no harm in trying and because MB12 typically starts to work in minutes a trial doesn't typically have to last more than a couple of days before you see results. - Stan > > > > > > > > Hi. I am sorry if this has already been > > answered > > > somewhere, but does > > > > anyone know if it is possible to give a child > > too > > > much MB12, where it > > > > causes harm? My 3 year old daughter is > > responding > > > very nicely > > > > (increased language) to MB12 injections and > > now > > > the nasal spray, and as > > > > a result our DAN doctor wants us to increase > > the > > > potency of the dose a > > > > little bit and to increase the dosing to once > > per > > > day (instead of every > > > > other day). I do not know enough about MB12 > > to > > > know if any MB12 not > > > > used by the body is easily discarded by the > > body > > > (like Vitamin C) or > > > > whether it builds up. I had thought the > > reason > > > for dosing every other > > > > day, or once every three days, was because the > > > body couldn't absorb it > > > > all at once. > > > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barb Katsaros > > barbkatsaros@... > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Dr.Yasko has her website at www.autismanswers.com, and the genetic tests available to order at www.testing4health.com; she also has a discussion group over there for her patients, and answers their questions. Dr. Yasko just got this lab (one and only in USA) to do her genetic tests Sept last year, many parents in our local support group had ordered and got results back; one of them is currently Dr. Yasko's patient. We did a very simple one first, per our DAN! dr. recommendation (before the more comprehensive ones became available), in which we found out my ASD son has mutations which prevent him to produce glutathione (like many many kids on spectrum), and his COMT is "--" (i.e. no mutation) and thus, according to Dr. Yasko, has the heaviest load of heavy metals and viruses (he is a responser to mB12, BTW). We just bit the bullet and ordered the comprehensive panel recently. Dr. Yasko will do the analyses for the test results as well (of course you have to pay for it) and give you a supplement plan according to the results, which probably and hopefully is much more compatible with the kid than just the old fashioned try and error. Oh, once you order the test, the lab will send you a DVD and a book for the genetic analyses, so you probably can figure the things out by yourself too (or join the discussion group at her web site). Re: Re: Too Much MB12?> > > Can this be bought/tried without a doctor's order?> Is> there a test which can be done to determine if> your> child is deficient in b12? What is a typical> doseage> to start with for say a 90 lb. almost 15 yo. My> son> has improved over the years with everything we> have> done, but there is still something missing. > Learning> is very hard, altho we are told there is no> permanent> damage in his brain. He still always moves his> legs> and sometimes hands as he sits and does work and> other> times, also. It sounds as tho the mb12 would be> safe> to use, but I have to see it in writing somewhere> before I feel comfortable trying it. Can you> refer me> to a publication which outlines its use? Thanks. > Barb> > --- Stan Kurtz wrote:> > > Hi Rich,> > > > Yes, B vitamins are different than C, but B> vitamins> > are quite soluable and some even > > argue they are the safest vitamins for that> reason. > > Assuming you should always be > > concerened about giving too much of anything to> your> > child, the nice thing about B12 is > > that when the body is having difficulty with it,> you> > often see symptoms of an issue quite > > quickly and when you resolve the dosage any> negative> > symptoms usually clear in a day.> > > > Basically said, you should be able to see if> your> > child is taking too much or too little based > > on their performance. The doses we are using> are> > similar to Sub-q injections that have > > been used safely for years by thousands of> families> > with children with autism. We've > > already reached the thousands of families mark> with> > the spray and we have not had any > > reports of negative symptoms that have lasted> more> > than a day or so. > > > > IMO, the real danger is when your child does not> > have enough MB12. This can lead to > > major biological problems including toxcicity,> > smoldering viruses, neurotransmitter > > impairment, digestive problems and more.> > > > In summary, start slow and carefully watch your> > child and you should be able to see what > > the "right" dosage is for your child. If> someone> > has enough MB12 in their system or there > > is not a signiifcant need for MB12... typicallly> > nothing good happens. Those people > > usually feel nothing or if there is too much> MB12> > they might feel a bit tired.> > > > If you read pubmed medical articles you won't> find> > any cases of overexposure to mb12. > > You will find some alergic reactions to> > cynocobalamin (cb12) but that's about it.> > > > All in all...IMO... this is quite a safe therapy> to> > date.> > > > - Stan> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Hi. I am sorry if this has already been> answered> > somewhere, but does > > > anyone know if it is possible to give a child> too> > much MB12, where it > > > causes harm? My 3 year old daughter is> responding> > very nicely > > > (increased language) to MB12 injections and> now> > the nasal spray, and as > > > a result our DAN doctor wants us to increase> the> > potency of the dose a > > > little bit and to increase the dosing to once> per> > day (instead of every > > > other day). I do not know enough about MB12> to> > know if any MB12 not > > > used by the body is easily discarded by the> body> > (like Vitamin C) or > > > whether it builds up. I had thought the> reason> > for dosing every other > > > day, or once every three days, was because the> > body couldn't absorb it > > > all at once.> > > > > > Thank you very much,> > > Rich> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barb Katsaros> barbkatsaros@...> > __________________________________________________> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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