Re: Heart Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon awakening

[Guest guest]

Hi Maggie

I don't know anything about putting the coil over your heart someone

knowledgeable will have to comment on that

but I have had the heart racing and beating so hard I can lay on my

back and feel and " hear " my heart pounding..........used to scare the

dickens out of me and never assoc. it with Lyme just with getting older

and figured I was developing " heart disease " .......but I was thinking

the other day that if Lyme goes into muscles and the heart is a muscle

it would make sense to me they go into the heart also........Kinda like

heartworms in dogs. ......now that seems scary........any comments

The general (internal) shakiness I have a lot, in addition to my head

tremors which I have had 4-5 years.

bev

drowsymaggie wrote:

> Every time I wake up suddenly, my heart races and beats really hard and I have

this general feeling of shakiness. I was wondering if anyone else has

experienced this symptom. I wonder if I should put the coil over my heart? This

happens sometimes if I fall asleep on the couch and then awaken.

>

> Maggie

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Maggie... I also have this symptom. It is very uncomfortable and it takes an hour or two before I start to feel normal. I have often wondered if it was related to my thyroid, since I take my thyroid meds before bed. Perhaps it is the lyme. Are you on thyroid replacement?

....Kelley

Every time I wake up suddenly, my heart races and beats really hard and I have this general feeling of shakiness. I was wondering if anyone else has experienced this symptom. I wonder if I should put the coil over my heart? This happens sometimes if I fall asleep on the couch and then awaken.Maggie

[Guest guest]

Yes, this happens to me and I thought I was the only one on earth! Both the

heart racing and shakiness. I actually dread taking a nap when I am so

exhausted, because I know if laying down won't cause the heart racing, that

falling asleep will lead into that waking up with the heart racing and shakes.

I used to blame it on my hyperhyroid. But now I think Lyme and Babesia is

affecting my heart, like someone else mentioned. Because the tension and

weakness is throughout the body.

One thing I am still working on trying to figure out is the adrenal connection

and mineral supplementation. I take adrenal drops but I don't seem to feel any

less anxious when I take them. Then I wonder if my adrenals could be

overworking sometimes instead of under.

And as far as mineral supplements----my ND shocked me (once again) when he gave

me a book that says that a major factor for both low and HIGH thyroid in America

is iodine deficiency. As usual this is the polar opposite of my MD's who said

to stay away from iodine if you have high thryoid. I have iodine lugol drops

which need to be majorly diluted, but with the heart palps all the time, is

really hard to decipher if this is having a good (and calming effect). But I

wonder if Lymes can also create an iodine deficiency? Take care, Jen

>

> Every time I wake up suddenly, my heart races and beats really hard and I have

this general feeling of shakiness. I was wondering if anyone else has

experienced this symptom. I wonder if I should put the coil over my heart? This

happens sometimes if I fall asleep on the couch and then awaken.

>

> Maggie

>

[Guest guest]

These are symptoms of low adrenal function. Usually having a little bit of sugar will quiet them down.I used to have the same symptoms and then was put on very low dose natural slow release cortisol that realllllllllly helped! When i dont take the cortisol the symptoms return. There are also herbal preparations for boosting adrenal function if your not interested in the cortisol.There is one called 'Adrenal Stress End' by enzymatic therapy. It is very reputable. I have been using it for over a yr with good results. It has helped to lower my HR.katSubject: Re: Heart Racing Symptoms

and shakiness upon awakeningTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 3:01 PM

Hello Maggie.... I also have this symptom. It is very uncomfortable and it takes an hour or two before I start to feel normal. I have often wondered if it was related to my thyroid, since I take my thyroid meds before bed. Perhaps it is the lyme. Are you on thyroid replacement?

....Kelley

Every time I wake up suddenly, my heart races and beats really hard and I have this general feeling of shakiness. I was wondering if anyone else has experienced this symptom. I wonder if I should put the coil over my heart? This happens sometimes if I fall asleep on the couch and then awaken.Maggie

[Guest guest]

I agree with Kat that it’s an

adrenal issue. When you have low adrenals (cortisol primarily) you are

not getting thyroid into the cells, so there’s a bunch floating around. Essentially

it makes you ‘hyper’-thyroid which causes the heart issue. I

have had these symptoms too, and while on cortisol they have been greatly

reduced/eliminated. Anything to support adrenals will help – Isocort,

Vit C, B-complex, salt, etc…

Yes, eating sugar will make your body

release cortisol – that’s what it’s supposed to do. Although

I don’t advocate for eating sugar! Eating a healthier alternative

to sugar will work – good carbs. I’m sure you know that!

I’d coil for adrenals to make sure

they are healthy.

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Katerina Papageorgios

Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:17

AM

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Subject: Re: Heart

Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon awakening

These are symptoms of low adrenal function. Usually

having a little bit of sugar will quiet them down.

I used to have the same symptoms and then was put on very low dose natural

slow release cortisol that realllllllllly helped! When i dont take the

cortisol the symptoms return. There are also herbal preparations for boosting

adrenal function if your not interested in the cortisol.

There is one called 'Adrenal Stress End' by enzymatic therapy. It is very

reputable. I have been using it for over a yr with good results. It has

helped to lower my HR.

kat

From: Craig & Kelley <k9gsdjrcda>

Subject: Re: Heart Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon

awakening

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 3:01 PM

Hello Maggie.... I also have this symptom. It

is very uncomfortable and it takes an hour or two before I start to feel

normal. I have often wondered if it was related to my thyroid, since I

take my thyroid meds before bed. Perhaps it is the lyme. Are you

on thyroid replacement?

....Kelley

Every time I wake up suddenly, my heart races and

beats really hard and I have this general feeling of shakiness. I was

wondering if anyone else has experienced this symptom. I wonder if I should

put the coil over my heart? This happens sometimes if I fall asleep on the

couch and then awaken.

Maggie

[Guest guest]

My thyroid tests were always 'normal'. Then i went to a hormonal imbalance centre to deal with the hypothalamic dysfunction that happens in this illness. My Reverse T3 (RT3) was extremely high - this blocks T3 reception to cells. It's also due to iodine deficiency. So they gave me pure slow release natural T3 and my tests are now a lot better. I take my thyroid at 6am on empty stomach away from minerals. They say morning dosages are more effective then taking it at bed. hmm?hope that helpskatSubject: Re: Heart Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon awakeningTo:

Lyme_and_Rife Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 3:01 PM

Hello Maggie... I also have this symptom. It is very uncomfortable and it takes an hour or two before I start to feel normal. I have often wondered if it was related to my thyroid, since I take my thyroid meds before bed. Perhaps it is the lyme. Are you on thyroid replacement?

....Kelley

Every time I wake up suddenly, my heart races and beats really hard and I have this general feeling of shakiness. I was wondering if anyone else has experienced this symptom. I wonder if I should put the coil over my heart? This happens sometimes if I fall asleep on the couch and then awaken.Maggie

[Guest guest]

Chronic illness puts a lot of stress on the adrenals, and eventually it's hard for them to produce enough cortisol and they end up putting out more adrenaline to compensate. That's the explanation I've gotten. In any case, it's a good idea to do adrenal support. It can be tricky, and if you want to delve into it there are some helpful Yahoo groups. But first you might want to try a little Isocort and see if that helps.

Ellen

Re: Heart Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon awakeningTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 3:01 PM

Hello Maggie.... I also have this symptom. It is very uncomfortable and it takes an hour or two before I start to feel normal. I have often wondered if it was related to my thyroid, since I take my thyroid meds before bed. Perhaps it is the lyme. Are you on thyroid replacement?

....Kelley

Every time I wake up suddenly, my heart races and beats really hard and I have this general feeling of shakiness. I was wondering if anyone else has experienced this symptom. I wonder if I should put the coil over my heart? This happens sometimes if I fall asleep on the couch and then awaken.Maggie

[Guest guest]

So, blaming it on your hyperthyroid is

probably at least mostly right. Although the Lyme/Babs affecting the

heart could be true as well. I tend to think the bugs mess up our

hormones to bring on the symptoms associated with excess and depletion of those

hormones. So to me, it’s all the same.

When thyroid is high, cortisol is low and

vice versa. They work ‘opposite’ of each other. Cortisol

is highest first thing in the morning to get us going, while thyroid is lowest

at that time. At night cortisol is lowest so we can sleep, but thyroid is

high for repair of the cells. Well, that’s in a healthy person! We

can have all sorts of differences, depending on your level of health. I

personally have low adrenals and low thyroid. This is what happens over

time when the balance is off. Eventually both down regulate and cause

havoc!

Being anxious is usually associated with

low cortisol (with high or low

thyroid). Isocort has been mentioned before… It’s a nice low

dose. I started with it and my anxiety level was greatly improved within

a week or so. I had to switch to prescription cortisol because the

Isocort just wasn’t quite enough. I love it!

As far as iodine for high thyroid, I’m

not sure. I know it’s been recommended for the Hashi’s crowd.

(Sometimes high, sometimes low thyroid hormones.) It will

supposedly level out thyroid hormones. Although, iodine has been known to

cause a Hashi’s attack. I wonder if the Hashi’s ‘attack’

isn’t just a herx from killing bugs! (That is based on the theory

that Hashi’s is caused by Lyme, hence the thyroid nodules (bug colonies) in

Hashi’s patients. Not my own theory!)

Thyroid hormones are made from iodine, and

yes we as a nation are iodine deficient. Taking iodine would do wonders

for most people!

Here’s a cheap way to check your

adrenals and thyroid. All you need is a thermometer. http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph

It will give you an idea of adrenal/thyroid status without spending money

on blood/saliva tests. I swear by it! Dr. Rind I believe uses a

digital thermometer, but I use a liquid one and go by Broda , MD’s

basal body temperature (optimal being 97.8-98.2). Dr. reccomends

shaking a thermometer down at night and putting it on your nightstand. When

you wake in the morning, before you do anything else, stick the thermometer

under your arm for 10 minutes. That is your basal body temp.

Keeping track of it and the 3 daily temps per Dr. Rind will give you a great

view of adrenal and thyroid health.

Hope this is helpful for someone.

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of jenrosehope

Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:17

AM

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Subject: Re: Heart

Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon awakening

Yes, this happens to me and I thought I was the only

one on earth! Both the heart racing and shakiness. I actually dread taking a

nap when I am so exhausted, because I know if laying down won't cause the heart

racing, that falling asleep will lead into that waking up with the heart racing

and shakes. I used to blame it on my hyperhyroid. But now I think Lyme and

Babesia is affecting my heart, like someone else mentioned. Because the tension

and weakness is throughout the body.

One thing I am still working on trying to figure out is the adrenal connection

and mineral supplementation. I take adrenal drops but I don't seem to feel any

less anxious when I take them. Then I wonder if my adrenals could be overworking

sometimes instead of under.

And as far as mineral supplements----my ND shocked me (once again) when he

gave me a book that says that a major factor for both low and HIGH thyroid in America is

iodine deficiency. As usual this is the polar opposite of my MD's who said to

stay away from iodine if you have high thryoid. I have iodine lugol drops which

need to be majorly diluted, but with the heart palps all the time, is really

hard to decipher if this is having a good (and calming effect). But I wonder if

Lymes can also create an iodine deficiency? Take care, Jen

>

> Every time I wake up suddenly, my heart races and beats really hard and I

have this general feeling of shakiness. I was wondering if anyone else has

experienced this symptom. I wonder if I should put the coil over my heart? This

happens sometimes if I fall asleep on the couch and then awaken.

>

> Maggie

>

[Guest guest]

Yes! Here’s a great video

explaining the connection with stress and cortisol. (It’s just under 10

minutes long.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q96R21hJ1Ws & feature=channel_page

I love this guy and highly recommend

watching his other videos!

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of ellen

Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:53

AM

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Subject: Re: Heart

Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon awakening

Chronic illness puts a lot of stress on

the adrenals, and eventually it's hard for them to produce enough cortisol and

they end up putting out more adrenaline to compensate. That's the explanation

I've gotten. In any case, it's a good idea to do adrenal support. It can be

tricky, and if you want to delve into it there are some helpful Yahoo groups.

But first you might want to try a little Isocort and see if that helps.

Ellen

RE:

Heart Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon awakening

I agree with Kat that it’s an adrenal issue. When you

have low adrenals (cortisol primarily) you are not getting thyroid into the

cells, so there’s a bunch floating around. Essentially it makes you

‘hyper’-thyroid which causes the heart issue. I have had

these symptoms too, and while on cortisol they have been greatly

reduced/eliminated. Anything to support adrenals will help –

Isocort, Vit C, B-complex, salt, etc…

Yes, eating sugar will make your body release cortisol

– that’s what it’s supposed to do. Although I

don’t advocate for eating sugar! Eating a healthier alternative to

sugar will work – good carbs. I’m sure you know that!

I’d coil for adrenals to make sure they are healthy.

[Guest guest]

Take lots and lots of magnesium--up to several grams a day (I take mine at

night)--way more magnesium than calcium, if you dose calcium. While your body is

healing, it will regulate the heartbeat quite a lot. You may also need a smidgen

of potassium, particularly if you do salt.

Coiling over the heart should not hurt it at all, unless you have a pacemaker or

something. Just make sure you have lots of magnesium. I get an erratic pulse

sometimes when herxing, and magnesium controls this. Magnesium at high doeses is

used to stop early labor--it controls muscle contractions (they gave this to my

sis) and is a huge help to lymies.

>

>

>

> Subject: Re: Heart Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon

> awakening

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 3:01 PM

>

> Hello Maggie.... I also have this symptom. It is very uncomfortable and it

> takes an hour or two before I start to feel normal. I have often wondered

> if it was related to my thyroid, since I take my thyroid meds before bed.

> Perhaps it is the lyme. Are you on thyroid replacement?

>

>

>

> ...Kelley

>

>

>

> Every time I wake up suddenly, my heart races and beats really hard and I

> have this general feeling of shakiness. I was wondering if anyone else has

> experienced this symptom. I wonder if I should put the coil over my heart?

> This happens sometimes if I fall asleep on the couch and then awaken.

>

> Maggie

>

[Guest guest]

My thyroid tests were always normal too. Until

I found out about RT3! My ratio was way off – too much RT3! I’ve

been taking Cytomel (T3) for about 10 months and I love it. It has really

made a difference in how I feel (along with the other hormones I’m

supplementing/supporting).

The liver is the primary site for T4 to T3

(or RT3) conversion. With the hypothalmic dysfunction I assume this is

how you get more RT3 being made? Because the liver is the main site for

this conversion, liver detox and proper function is critical. That is my

current focus – detox and healing of the liver. I’m lovin’

my Free and Easy Wanderer! :-) I know that when there is excess

stress (infection, emotional, whatever) your body makes more RT3, and with Lyme

you are constantly stressed, so it would make sense that more RT3 is made.

I’m seeing a connection with excess cortisol and excess RT3…. Hmmm,

I’ll have to check that one out!

There are conflicting theories on taking

thyroid meds at night or in the morning. I think you need to do what

feels best for you. I personally take mine throughout the day, with the

largest part at night. I do the same with cortisol, except that I take

the biggest dose in the morning and the lowest at night. Taking it this

way mimicks what the body does naturally. I don’t know if it truly

makes a difference, but it’s what I’ve been doing and it’s what

the adrenal/thyroid forums I am on recommend. That seems to work for me,

but it could change. I know others that take everything all at once first

thing in the morning and that is fine for them. We’re all

different.

Lovin’ this discussion!

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Katerina Papageorgios

Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:43

AM

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Subject: Re: Heart

Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon awakening

My thyroid tests were always 'normal'. Then i went

to a hormonal imbalance centre to deal with the hypothalamic dysfunction that

happens in this illness. My Reverse T3 (RT3) was extremely high - this blocks

T3 reception to cells. It's also due to iodine deficiency. So they gave me

pure slow release natural T3 and my tests are now a lot better. I take my

thyroid at 6am on empty stomach away from minerals. They say morning dosages

are more effective then taking it at bed. hmm?

hope that helps

kat

From: Craig & Kelley <k9gsdjrcda>

Subject: Re: Heart Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon

awakening

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 3:01 PM

Hello Maggie... I also have this symptom. It

is very uncomfortable and it takes an hour or two before I start to feel

normal. I have often wondered if it was related to my thyroid, since I

take my thyroid meds before bed. Perhaps it is the lyme. Are you

on thyroid replacement?

....Kelley

Every time I wake up suddenly, my heart races and

beats really hard and I have this general feeling of shakiness. I was

wondering if anyone else has experienced this symptom. I wonder if I should

put the coil over my heart? This happens sometimes if I fall asleep on the

couch and then awaken.

Maggie

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I found that interesting when you said how when one gland such as the adrenals are low then thyroid tends to be high or normal. I have noticed that when I don't take my T3 for a while and then I suddenly do, I get a much stronger reaction to it then when I take it regularly. My guess now is that my adrenals became stronger when I wasn't taking the T3 so when it was added back in I had a stronger response to it, but then after taking T3 for a while the adrenals wore down a little reducing its effects. Does that sound right to you?

Thx, Thane

Subject: RE: Re: Heart Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon awakeningTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 12:12 PM

So, blaming it on your hyperthyroid is probably at least mostly right. Although the Lyme/Babs affecting the heart could be true as well. I tend to think the bugs mess up our hormones to bring on the symptoms associated with excess and depletion of those hormones. So to me, it’s all the same.

When thyroid is high, cortisol is low and vice versa. They work ‘opposite’ of each other. Cortisol is highest first thing in the morning to get us going, while thyroid is lowest at that time. At night cortisol is lowest so we can sleep, but thyroid is high for repair of the cells. Well, that’s in a healthy person! We can have all sorts of differences, depending on your level of health. I personally have low adrenals and low thyroid. This is what happens over time when the balance is off. Eventually both down regulate and cause havoc!

Being anxious is usually associated with low cortisol (with high or low thyroid). Isocort has been mentioned before… It’s a nice low dose. I started with it and my anxiety level was greatly improved within a week or so. I had to switch to prescription cortisol because the Isocort just wasn’t quite enough. I love it!

As far as iodine for high thyroid, I’m not sure. I know it’s been recommended for the Hashi’s crowd. (Sometimes high, sometimes low thyroid hormones.) It will supposedly level out thyroid hormones. Although, iodine has been known to cause a Hashi’s attack. I wonder if the Hashi’s ‘attack’ isn’t just a herx from killing bugs! (That is based on the theory that Hashi’s is caused by Lyme, hence the thyroid nodules (bug colonies) in Hashi’s patients. Not my own theory!)

Thyroid hormones are made from iodine, and yes we as a nation are iodine deficient. Taking iodine would do wonders for most people!

Here’s a cheap way to check your adrenals and thyroid. All you need is a thermometer. http://www.drrind. com/therapies/ metabolic- temperature- graph It will give you an idea of adrenal/thyroid status without spending money on blood/saliva tests. I swear by it! Dr. Rind I believe uses a digital thermometer, but I use a liquid one and go by Broda , MD’s basal body temperature (optimal being 97.8-98.2). Dr. reccomends shaking a thermometer down at night and putting it on your nightstand. When you wake in the morning, before you do anything else, stick the thermometer under your arm for 10 minutes. That is your basal body temp. Keeping track of it and the 3 daily temps per

Dr. Rind will give you a great view of adrenal and thyroid health.

Hope this is helpful for someone.

From: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of jenrosehopeSent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:17 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comSubject: Re: Heart Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon awakening

Yes, this happens to me and I thought I was the only one on earth! Both the heart racing and shakiness. I actually dread taking a nap when I am so exhausted, because I know if laying down won't cause the heart racing, that falling asleep will lead into that waking up with the heart racing and shakes. I used to blame it on my hyperhyroid. But now I think Lyme and Babesia is affecting my heart, like someone else mentioned. Because the tension and weakness is throughout the body. One thing I am still working on trying to figure out is the adrenal connection and mineral supplementation. I take adrenal drops but I don't seem to feel any less anxious when I take them. Then I wonder if my adrenals could be overworking sometimes instead of under.And as far as mineral supplements- ---my ND shocked me (once again) when he gave me a book that says that a major factor for both low

and HIGH thyroid in America is iodine deficiency. As usual this is the polar opposite of my MD's who said to stay away from iodine if you have high thryoid. I have iodine lugol drops which need to be majorly diluted, but with the heart palps all the time, is really hard to decipher if this is having a good (and calming effect). But I wonder if Lymes can also create an iodine deficiency? Take care, Jen>> Every time I wake up suddenly, my heart races and beats really hard and I have this general feeling of shakiness. I was wondering if anyone else has experienced this symptom. I wonder if I should put the coil over my heart? This happens sometimes if I fall asleep on the couch and

then awaken.> > Maggie>

[Guest guest]

If you have a reaction to taking T3, it’s

because it is stressing your adrenals. Adrenals always have to be

supported first, before taking any kind of thyroid medication. (If they

are weak, that is.) If you don’t, you could severely crash your

adrenals and be in a world of hurt. Thyroid hormones need cortisol to get

into the cells. If you take thyroid, it’s going to use any and all

available cortisol to do that!

I wouldn’t say your adrenals got

stronger, rather I’d say they weren’t being stressed. Lyme/co’s

wreak havoc on the adrenals! Any kind of stress make your body produce

more cortisol. Prolonged stress (like Lyme/co’s) will deplete your

adrenals. (Watch the video I posted in another response.)

If I’m understanding your question,

then basically yes. The T3 probably wore your adrenals out, making the

effects of the T3 less. (Is that what you meant?) Although, that is

really not good for the adrenals or thyroid!

If you take thyroid and have a reaction,

but keep on taking it and it gets better, I think that’s because the

adrenals are trying to compensate. You probably didn’t crash them,

but you shocked them at first, but over time they have adapted. (That

means they are working, but not optimally.) I’m not sure that’s

a good way to go. Making sure adrenals are supported well prior to taking

thyroid is always recommended. In the end, taking T3 without supporting

adrenals can do serious damage.

I know I said the same thing 3 different

ways, but it’s just how my mind was trying to explain it. Sorry if

it’s confusing. I’ll clarify anything you need me to –

just ask!

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Thane Fredrickson

Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 10:39

AM

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Subject: RE: Re:

Heart Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon awakening

Hi ,

I found that interesting when you said how when one

gland such as the adrenals are low then thyroid tends to be high or

normal. I have noticed that when I don't take my T3 for a while and

then I suddenly do, I get a much stronger reaction to it then when I take it

regularly. My guess now is that my adrenals became stronger when I

wasn't taking the T3 so when it was added back in I had a stronger response

to it, but then after taking T3 for a while the adrenals wore down a little

reducing its effects. Does that sound right to you?

Thx, Thane

---

_,___

[Guest guest]

Hi Maggie

I have similar problems sometiomes and I think it's from adrenal problems. I got a blood pressure machine at the local drug store and found when I stand from a sitting position my blood pressure goes DOWN instead of UP. This causes me to get light headed shaky and my heart to race. Sometimes I even get an instant migrane headache.

helped me see it was an adrenal issue. I now am addressing that in a nice slow fasion but I still have it to a slightly lesser degree.

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 10:12:28 AMSubject: Heart Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon awakening

Every time I wake up suddenly, my heart races and beats really hard and I have this general feeling of shakiness. I was wondering if anyone else has experienced this symptom. I wonder if I should put the coil over my heart? This happens sometimes if I fall asleep on the couch and then awaken.Maggie

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks so much for posting that video. Wow!! he really puts it in an easy to

understand format. I am going to check out his other videos.

>

> Yes! Here's a great video explaining the connection with stress and

> cortisol. (It's just under 10 minutes long.)

>

>

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q96R21hJ1Ws

> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q96R21hJ1Ws & feature=channel_page>

> & feature=channel_page

>

>

>

> I love this guy and highly recommend watching his other videos!

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ]

> On Behalf Of ellen

> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:53 AM

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> Subject: Re: Heart Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon

> awakening

>

>

>

> Chronic illness puts a lot of stress on the adrenals, and eventually it's

> hard for them to produce enough cortisol and they end up putting out more

> adrenaline to compensate. That's the explanation I've gotten. In any case,

> it's a good idea to do adrenal support. It can be tricky, and if you want to

> delve into it there are some helpful Yahoo groups. But first you might want

> to try a little Isocort and see if that helps.

>

>

>

> Ellen

>

> RE: Heart Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon

> awakening

>

>

>

> I agree with Kat that it's an adrenal issue. When you have low adrenals

> (cortisol primarily) you are not getting thyroid into the cells, so there's

> a bunch floating around. Essentially it makes you 'hyper'-thyroid which

> causes the heart issue. I have had these symptoms too, and while on

> cortisol they have been greatly reduced/eliminated. Anything to support

> adrenals will help - Isocort, Vit C, B-complex, salt, etc.

>

> Yes, eating sugar will make your body release cortisol - that's what it's

> supposed to do. Although I don't advocate for eating sugar! Eating a

> healthier alternative to sugar will work - good carbs. I'm sure you know

> that!

>

> I'd coil for adrenals to make sure they are healthy.

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

[Guest guest]

hi maggie I had this symptom for some time, consulted with Sue Massie and she got me taking extra potassium and lugols iodine and extra magnesium and the symptoms stopped in a few short daysI would say try taking them and see if it helps, it could save your life "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller

[Guest guest]

Yes! He’s amazing. He’s very

‘real’ and down to earth. Check out the video about the KFC

chicken/response to Oprah. Very moving. You can really see his passion there.

All of his videos are great! I haven’t seen them ALL, but most of them.

I can’t say enough good things about this guy!

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of sueblanton

Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 1:31

PM

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Subject: Re: Heart

Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon awakening

Hi ,

Thanks so much for posting that video. Wow!! he really puts it in an easy to

understand format. I am going to check out his other videos.

>

> Yes! Here's a great video explaining the connection with stress and

> cortisol. (It's just under 10 minutes long.)

>

>

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q96R21hJ1Ws

> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q96R21hJ1Ws & feature=channel_page>

> & feature=channel_page

>

>

>

> I love this guy and highly recommend watching his other videos!

>

>

>

_._,___

[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting. I enjoyed watching his video and will look for more.

I just had a diagnos-tech cortisol/other test done, and I had adequate cortisol,

but there was something amiss, that the llmd didn't even make an issue of.

Basically they look for low cortisol, and if it's not low, they don't address

anything else. I suspect they just are clueless. Sounds like you need to get

everything balanced. Maybe I need to consult with this guy, ugggh.. It never

ends.

> >

> > Yes! Here's a great video explaining the connection with stress and

> > cortisol. (It's just under 10 minutes long.)

> >

> >

> >

> > http://www.youtube. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q96R21hJ1Ws>

> com/watch?v=q96R21hJ1Ws

> > <http://www.youtube.

> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q96R21hJ1Ws & feature=channel_page>

> com/watch?v=q96R21hJ1Ws & feature=channel_page>

> > & feature=channel_page

> >

> >

> >

> > I love this guy and highly recommend watching his other videos!

> >

> >

> >

> _._,___

>

[Guest guest]

I’m curious, what was amiss? You’ve

piqued my interest…. Don’t leave me hanging! You can email me

offline if you don’t want to post your results for the world to see! J I could give you some

basics and a site for more info. I love , but he is expensive!

My cortisol was low, but in range. My doc

didn’t want to do anything about it. But I talked her into cortisol –

20mgs. I had to change docs coz she wouldn’t go higher than that. Docs

just don’t know all of this stuff. Not endocrinologist even – and they

go to school to specializ in hormones! It’s crazy… Anti-aging

docs know more about hormones than anyone. That’s what my doc is!

I’ll help where I can, within my

knowledge base!

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of weisstreasure

Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:01

PM

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Subject: Re: Heart

Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon awakening

Thanks for posting. I enjoyed watching his video and will look for

more.

I just had a diagnos-tech cortisol/other test done, and I had adequate

cortisol, but there was something amiss, that the llmd didn't even make an

issue of. Basically they look for low cortisol, and if it's not low, they don't

address anything else. I suspect they just are clueless. Sounds like you need

to get everything balanced. Maybe I need to consult with this guy, ugggh.. It

never ends.

>

> Yes! He's amazing. He's very 'real' and down to earth. Check out the

> video about the KFC chicken/response to Oprah. Very moving. You can really

> see his passion there. All of his videos are great! I haven't seen them

> ALL, but most of them. I can't say enough good things about this guy!

>

>

>

>

>

> _

[Guest guest]

Well, I was feeling a real slump in the evening, and had begun to dose myself,

without checking. Just taking like 5 mg. I felt better with it, I thought.

Didn't do it every day.

The doc told me absolutely no cortisol, after she saw my results. As you saw

from the test results, there's a spike there. Maybe it was due to trying to drag

my tired carcass out of bed at noon!

> >

> > Yes! He's amazing. He's very 'real' and down to earth. Check out the

> > video about the KFC chicken/response to Oprah. Very moving. You can really

> > see his passion there. All of his videos are great! I haven't seen them

> > ALL, but most of them. I can't say enough good things about this guy!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am wondering if doing a little more adrenal support would help my head tremors

and allergies. It seems that my head tremors happen only when I am reacting to

something, exercise or have a lyme flare up. I always assumed that it was Lyme

infecting my nervous system, but I wonder if I might see an improvement if I

bumped up my regular isocort supplement.

> >

> > Yes! Here's a great video explaining the connection with stress and

> > cortisol. (It's just under 10 minutes long.)

> >

> >

> >

> > http://www.youtube. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q96R21hJ1Ws>

> com/watch?v=q96R21hJ1Ws

> > <http://www.youtube.

> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q96R21hJ1Ws & feature=channel_page>

> com/watch?v=q96R21hJ1Ws & feature=channel_page>

> > & feature=channel_page

> >

> >

> >

> > I love this guy and highly recommend watching his other videos!

> >

> >

> >

> _._,___

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

I've been Rifing for the Adrenals at 450 and had some success with it. My morning headaches have stopped for the moment and I am sleeping better than ever by far.

Thanks to 's video I now even know where the adrenals are (on top of the kidneys and not in my upper chest where I thought they were) so I'm putting the rife coil right over them.

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 4:56:21 AMSubject: Re: Heart Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon awakening

Hi ,I am wondering if doing a little more adrenal support would help my head tremors and allergies. It seems that my head tremors happen only when I am reacting to something, exercise or have a lyme flare up. I always assumed that it was Lyme infecting my nervous system, but I wonder if I might see an improvement if I bumped up my regular isocort supplement.> >> > Yes! Here's a great video explaining the connection with stress and> > cortisol. (It's just under 10 minutes long.)> > > > > > > > http://www.youtube. <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=q96R21hJ1Ws>> com/watch?v= q96R21hJ1Ws> > <http://www.youtube.> <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=q96R21hJ1Ws & feature=channel_ page>> com/watch?v= q96R21hJ1Ws & feature=channel_ page>> >

& feature=channel_ page> > > > > > > > I love this guy and highly recommend watching his other videos!> > > > > > > _._,___>

[Guest guest]

Well, the DHEA was in the normal range, but I'm going to begin supplementation

of that anyway, since I'm taxing my body so much. I'll see where I wind up. I

couldn't tolerate it before (tried it many years ago), but that was long long

ago. I could probably use a little of that.

I'm not going to stop exercising--I'm just starting up! I do tend to be

overzealous, and I realize I have really overdone it because while initially I

was sleeping better, and falling asleep easier, I'm NOT sleeping well, and

feeling like crap when I wake up. Reminds me of how I felt the first fall I got

sick, these last few days.

I do not believe exercise can hurt the adrenals. In fact, I think it helps to

get them working again, as that worked a few years ago, and I thought was

correct. I think stress without physical exertion is taxing on the adrenals (the

fight or flight thing, but you don't flee or fight so it's continued stress

without any physical expression) while exercise stimulates them to work

properly. I know bodybuilders beware of cortisol over-production only because

they're not building muscle and they're packing fat when it's in over-abundance.

They have to actively work to keep cortisol production down because of that.

I've never heard of adrenal fatigue/fallout in athletes. Seems to me it's the

passive stresses that seem to tax the adrenals.

I did try that stuff that was supposed to increase HGH many years ago, but it

gave me insomnia and made me manic (the sublingual stuff). Maybe it's time to

give that a whirl again? I guess it's part of the aging process as well to have

hormone levels go down--which doesn't help when you're dealing with an illness

that you've had virtually your entire adult life anyway.

>

> I would be cautious at this point! While it looks as though you don't have

> too much cortisol, the fact is you have at least one low reading. This

> would indicate adrenal fatigue. It's really a balancing act taking cortisol

> - according to the 'experts' on the adrenals forums, you can't just take

> cortisol at the time of day that you are low. Because of the negative

> feedback loop that cortisol is on, taking even small amounts at the time of

> day when cortisol is low can change how much is being made earlier in the

> day. (Over time, obviously.) Yes, it can help immediately, but it will

> throw off the rhythm your body is used to (even if it's not a good one).

>

>

>

> I would also be careful with exercise. I'm not saying don't do it, but just

> monitor yourself closely. Exercise makes your body release cortisol and

> adrenaline which with someone with adrenal fatigue can tax the adrenals too

> much and deplete them. It's often recommended to stop or greatly reduce

> exercise until the adrenals are healed. This is just a cautionary note, not

> a 'stop exercising' one!

>

>

>

> The fact that your DHEA is down also suggests adrenal fatigue. What happens

> is your body is trying to make more and more cortisol to make up for the

> difference. In order to do that, you are 'stealing' pregnenolone from DHEA

> to make cortisol, so less and less DHEA is made. (Pregnenolone makes

> progesterone or DHEA, and progesterone makes cortisol.

> http://www.biodia.com/TechnicalCharts/SteroidalHormonechart.pdf) Your

> cortisol to DHEA ratio is extremely important in how you feel and function.

> If you watched 's video, he says this is survival mode. You absolutely

> need cortisol to live. Without it, you would die within a few days. DHEA

> is the precursor to the sex/reproductive hormones and well, you don't need

> to have sex/reproduce to survive! (I know some would disagree! :-))

>

>

>

> Yes, absolutely thyroid status is important! It's important since cortisol

> and thyroid have an inverse relationship with each other. (When one is

> high, the other is low - that's the way it's supposed to be.) But when you

> don't have enough cortisol you don't use thyroid (T3) effectively - it

> doesn't get into the cell to do it's job. Also, when you are stressed, you

> tend to convert the thyroid hormone T4 to RT3 (reverse T3), which is bad bad

> bad. (Short term, this is supposed to happen to deal with the stress.) RT3

> blocks T3, which is the life giving, feel good, all important thyroid

> hormone. It is what makes your cells run smoothly! Cortisol is involved in

> that conversion process, so they are definitely tied together.

>

>

>

> Unfortnately, this gets very complicated very fast. Throw in estrogen and

> testosterone and it's even more complicated! The hormones all work

> synergistically, rising and falling based on negative feedback loops. So

> when production of one hormone is low, the others up and down-regulate to

> compensate and that's where the problem lies. Short term, this is what is

> supposed to happen. But over the long term this is highly detrimental to

> your physical and emotional health.

>

>

>

> I'm not trying to scare or discourage anyone, and hopefully I didn't. But I

> really think this is important to know. Most people when they hear hormones

> they think teenagers, PMS and menopause. Well, those are times when

> hormones are changing so they are 'off'! When they are working right, no

> one gives them a thought. With constant stress (Lyme/co's is a major

> stressor) your hormones are going to be off. Killing the bugs definitely

> helps regain hormone balance, but the effects of the hormone imbalance they

> cause is not always easily fixed. This is why I think people who are

> recently infected get better quicker - their short term hormone imbalance is

> more easily fixed. When you get into years of hormone imbalance it is

> extremely difficult to get it back to optimal funtioning. The big thing is,

> the change in the hormone balance is very slow and subtle. You may not even

> notice it. You'll attribute it to getting older or whatever. Well, it's

> really just hormones getting out of whack!

>

>

>

> <<<pushing soap box back under the table>>>

>

>

>

> Sorry about that. It's just so much in my head that I think is important

> for everyone to know! I know not all of you will agree with me. Most

> people give little to no thought about their hormones. But they are the

> messengers in the body. If the message isn't sent or is corrupted, then the

> cells don't function properly.

>

>

>

> Hopefully I've at least helped weisstreasure!

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ]

> On Behalf Of weisstreasure

> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:36 PM

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> Subject: Re: Heart Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon

> awakening

>

>

>

> Well, the results are really in! I recharted my line, based on my wake-up

> time being 5 hours later than everyone else, my rhythm off by 5 hous.

> Plotting the noon for the 8, and 4 for the noon, and so on. The morning ones

> are NORMAL (not even a spike on the one, even comparing it to the very first

> morning one. My level was 27, which was really below their normal

> marker--somebody just did bad artwork!) So all is well till I hit the time I

> was feeling DROWSY AND TIRED AND WANTED TO TAKE A NAP, YUP! 4 p.m. and then

> I bomb down to 1. Gee, did it help? Yup! That's when I wanted to take some

> (and did, for a few days, just to get some work done!) What that means in

> the overall picture is I think my adrenals need supplementation when they

> are taxed/tired and cannot produce -- it falls into the late afternoon. I'm

> back to thinking I will allow it if need be, but as I am now on an exercise

> regiment, that will boost cortisol also (bodybuilders want to take

> substances that reduce cortisol, as it is detrimental to fat burning, and

> tends to pack fat).

>

> So I'm back to thinking I just need to do what I felt like doing, because 1)

> it worked and 2) looking at the paper, properly plotted, it supports that I

> needed it.

>

> (This was on 's recommendation, and it was a good one)

>

> I did notice DHEA went down since 2007--though it was in the norm both

> times, it has dropped several points this time to a 5. So I seem to be

> taxing that area more and more over time. That is consistent. I want more

> pregnenolone! And I don't do a low-fat diet.

>

> What else--should I mess around with the T3 when the cortef is hit or miss?

> I'm sure they tested my thyroid here in this batch of testing. Not sure that

> any of it matters?

>

> _

>

[Guest guest]

I didn’t say to not exercise, just

be careful and pay attention to how you feel. Exercise can hurt the adrenals if they are already

overtaxed. I know of a gal who is a marathon runner who had been gaining

weight and having many of the other adrenal fatigue symptoms despite training

for a marathon. She is the picture of health otherwise and has been

exercising regularly for years. Without going into detail, her adrenals were

finally giving out on her. I believe she is fairly young (no more than mid

thirties) and I don’t think she over-exercises – at least from her

posts it didn’t seem that she did. Doing more exercise is making

her more and more sick. And I have heard of athletes (with Lyme and/or

adrenal fatigue) going from being stars to unable to get out of bed.

When you exercise cortisol and adrenaline

are produced. In adrenal fatigue, your body naturally produces more

adrenaline to make up for the loss of cortisol. (This is why you get the

wired but tired feeling when cortisol is depleted.) Over time, this ‘extra’

adrenaline does damage to your body and further depletes the adrenals. I’m

not saying this will happen to you, but it can and does happen.

I think that if you feel you can exercise

then go for it! I just caution anyone to be aware that in some people

with certain conditions, it is not recommended. That is all. Severe

adrenal fatigue (which I don’t think you are there because your DHEA

level is normal) is one condition where exercise would be contraindicated.

Some mild and moderate adrenal fatigue patients could exercise gently and maybe

even some of them quite vigourously with no significant side effects. However,

that is not true of everyone because we are all different and can tolerate

things to different degrees. Exercise may not hurt you due to your unique

makeup. But someone else it could put them down for days. I used to

go to the gym regularly. I was thin and buff! Then I got to a point

where after going I would crash. Eventually, just going to the grocery

store for 20 minutes put me in bed for 2-3 days. (Thank goodness I’m

not there anymore!) Exercise certainly did not help my adrenals. Obviously

you are not there, and I hope you never are.

I hope this didn’t come across mean.

I certainly don’t mean it to! It’s just a cautionary

note! Always listen to your body and don’t over do it. That’s

all I’m saying. J

From:

Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of weisstreasure

Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:52

PM

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Subject: Re: Heart

Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon awakening

Well, the DHEA was in the normal range, but I'm going

to begin supplementation of that anyway, since I'm taxing my body so much. I'll

see where I wind up. I couldn't tolerate it before (tried it many years ago),

but that was long long ago. I could probably use a little of that.

I'm not going to stop exercising--I'm just starting up! I do tend to be

overzealous, and I realize I have really overdone it because while initially I

was sleeping better, and falling asleep easier, I'm NOT sleeping well, and

feeling like crap when I wake up. Reminds me of how I felt the first fall I got

sick, these last few days.

I do not believe exercise can hurt the adrenals. In fact, I think it helps to

get them working again, as that worked a few years ago, and I thought was correct.

I think stress without physical exertion is taxing on the adrenals (the fight

or flight thing, but you don't flee or fight so it's continued stress without

any physical expression) while exercise stimulates them to work properly. I

know bodybuilders beware of cortisol over-production only because they're not

building muscle and they're packing fat when it's in over-abundance. They have

to actively work to keep cortisol production down because of that. I've never

heard of adrenal fatigue/fallout in athletes. Seems to me it's the passive

stresses that seem to tax the adrenals.

I did try that stuff that was supposed to increase HGH many years ago, but it

gave me insomnia and made me manic (the sublingual stuff). Maybe it's time to

give that a whirl again? I guess it's part of the aging process as well to have

hormone levels go down--which doesn't help when you're dealing with an illness

that you've had virtually your entire adult life anyway.

>

> I would be cautious at this point! While it looks as though you don't have

> too much cortisol, the fact is you have at least one low reading. This

> would indicate adrenal fatigue. It's really a balancing act taking

cortisol

> - according to the 'experts' on the adrenals forums, you can't just take

> cortisol at the time of day that you are low. Because of the negative

> feedback loop that cortisol is on, taking even small amounts at the time

of

> day when cortisol is low can change how much is being made earlier in the

> day. (Over time, obviously.) Yes, it can help immediately, but it will

> throw off the rhythm your body is used to (even if it's not a good one).

>

>

>

> I would also be careful with exercise. I'm not saying don't do it, but

just

> monitor yourself closely. Exercise makes your body release cortisol and

> adrenaline which with someone with adrenal fatigue can tax the adrenals

too

> much and deplete them. It's often recommended to stop or greatly reduce

> exercise until the adrenals are healed. This is just a cautionary note,

not

> a 'stop exercising' one!

>

>

>

> The fact that your DHEA is down also suggests adrenal fatigue. What

happens

> is your body is trying to make more and more cortisol to make up for the

> difference. In order to do that, you are 'stealing' pregnenolone from DHEA

> to make cortisol, so less and less DHEA is made. (Pregnenolone makes

> progesterone or DHEA, and progesterone makes cortisol.

> http://www.biodia.com/TechnicalCharts/SteroidalHormonechart.pdf)

Your

> cortisol to DHEA ratio is extremely important in how you feel and

function.

> If you watched 's video, he says this is survival mode. You absolutely

> need cortisol to live. Without it, you would die within a few days. DHEA

> is the precursor to the sex/reproductive hormones and well, you don't need

> to have sex/reproduce to survive! (I know some would disagree! :-))

>

>

>

> Yes, absolutely thyroid status is important! It's important since cortisol

> and thyroid have an inverse relationship with each other. (When one is

> high, the other is low - that's the way it's supposed to be.) But when you

> don't have enough cortisol you don't use thyroid (T3) effectively - it

> doesn't get into the cell to do it's job. Also, when you are stressed, you

> tend to convert the thyroid hormone T4 to RT3 (reverse T3), which is bad

bad

> bad. (Short term, this is supposed to happen to deal with the stress.) RT3

> blocks T3, which is the life giving, feel good, all important thyroid

> hormone. It is what makes your cells run smoothly! Cortisol is involved in

> that conversion process, so they are definitely tied together.

>

>

>

> Unfortnately, this gets very complicated very fast. Throw in estrogen and

> testosterone and it's even more complicated! The hormones all work

> synergistically, rising and falling based on negative feedback loops. So

> when production of one hormone is low, the others up and down-regulate to

> compensate and that's where the problem lies. Short term, this is what is

> supposed to happen. But over the long term this is highly detrimental to

> your physical and emotional health.

>

>

>

> I'm not trying to scare or discourage anyone, and hopefully I didn't. But

I

> really think this is important to know. Most people when they hear

hormones

> they think teenagers, PMS and menopause. Well, those are times when

> hormones are changing so they are 'off'! When they are working right, no

> one gives them a thought. With constant stress (Lyme/co's is a major

> stressor) your hormones are going to be off. Killing the bugs definitely

> helps regain hormone balance, but the effects of the hormone imbalance

they

> cause is not always easily fixed. This is why I think people who are

> recently infected get better quicker - their short term hormone imbalance

is

> more easily fixed. When you get into years of hormone imbalance it is

> extremely difficult to get it back to optimal funtioning. The big thing

is,

> the change in the hormone balance is very slow and subtle. You may not

even

> notice it. You'll attribute it to getting older or whatever. Well, it's

> really just hormones getting out of whack!

>

>

>

> <<<pushing soap box back under the table>>>

>

>

>

> Sorry about that. It's just so much in my head that I think is important

> for everyone to know! I know not all of you will agree with me. Most

> people give little to no thought about their hormones. But they are the

> messengers in the body. If the message isn't sent or is corrupted, then

the

> cells don't function properly.

>

>

>

> Hopefully I've at least helped weisstreasure!

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: Lyme_and_Rife

[mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ]

> On Behalf Of weisstreasure

> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:36 PM

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> Subject: Re: Heart Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon

> awakening

>

>

>

> Well, the results are really in! I recharted my line, based on my wake-up

> time being 5 hours later than everyone else, my rhythm off by 5 hous.

> Plotting the noon for the 8, and 4 for the noon, and so on. The morning

ones

> are NORMAL

(not even a spike on the one, even comparing it to the very first

> morning one. My level was 27, which was really below their normal

> marker--somebody just did bad artwork!) So all is well till I hit the time

I

> was feeling DROWSY AND TIRED AND WANTED TO TAKE A NAP, YUP! 4 p.m. and

then

> I bomb down to 1. Gee, did it help? Yup! That's when I wanted to take some

> (and did, for a few days, just to get some work done!) What that means in

> the overall picture is I think my adrenals need supplementation when they

> are taxed/tired and cannot produce -- it falls into the late afternoon.

I'm

> back to thinking I will allow it if need be, but as I am now on an

exercise

> regiment, that will boost cortisol also (bodybuilders want to take

> substances that reduce cortisol, as it is detrimental to fat burning, and

> tends to pack fat).

>

> So I'm back to thinking I just need to do what I felt like doing, because

1)

> it worked and 2) looking at the paper, properly plotted, it supports that

I

> needed it.

>

> (This was on 's recommendation, and it was a good one)

>

> I did notice DHEA went down since 2007--though it was in the norm both

> times, it has dropped several points this time to a 5. So I seem to be

> taxing that area more and more over time. That is consistent. I want more

> pregnenolone! And I don't do a low-fat diet.

>

> What else--should I mess around with the T3 when the cortef is hit or

miss?

> I'm sure they tested my thyroid here in this batch of testing. Not sure

that

> any of it matters?

>

> _

>

[Guest guest]

Very good advice, and I don't mind at all. I'm having a personal battle. I just

always _could_ when I put my mind to it. Even while I was working (and coiling a

good bit of the time, which I think actually helped strangely).

Within 2 weeks of joining the gym, I was up to several hours. That was just

plain stupid, I guess (so nostalgic for the old days). Not sure what's going on

in my body, but it is protesting. My hips really need it, though. 2 days

without, and they are hurting! I don't know moderation. This illness teaches us

patience, and probably moderation. I still didn't get the second lesson! It's

all or nothing.

I think the sauna topped it off. I remember when I first got sick, I couldn't

work out and sauna either. It had the same effect. I am not sure what it does,

but I've not recovered in a day or two! Been running around like a nut and

working lots, so that didn't help.

I appreciate the advice. It's always welcome :-)

> >

> > I would be cautious at this point! While it looks as though you don't have

> > too much cortisol, the fact is you have at least one low reading. This

> > would indicate adrenal fatigue. It's really a balancing act taking

> cortisol

> > - according to the 'experts' on the adrenals forums, you can't just take

> > cortisol at the time of day that you are low. Because of the negative

> > feedback loop that cortisol is on, taking even small amounts at the time

> of

> > day when cortisol is low can change how much is being made earlier in the

> > day. (Over time, obviously.) Yes, it can help immediately, but it will

> > throw off the rhythm your body is used to (even if it's not a good one).

> >

> >

> >

> > I would also be careful with exercise. I'm not saying don't do it, but

> just

> > monitor yourself closely. Exercise makes your body release cortisol and

> > adrenaline which with someone with adrenal fatigue can tax the adrenals

> too

> > much and deplete them. It's often recommended to stop or greatly reduce

> > exercise until the adrenals are healed. This is just a cautionary note,

> not

> > a 'stop exercising' one!

> >

> >

> >

> > The fact that your DHEA is down also suggests adrenal fatigue. What

> happens

> > is your body is trying to make more and more cortisol to make up for the

> > difference. In order to do that, you are 'stealing' pregnenolone from DHEA

> > to make cortisol, so less and less DHEA is made. (Pregnenolone makes

> > progesterone or DHEA, and progesterone makes cortisol.

> > http://www.biodia.

> <http://www.biodia.com/TechnicalCharts/SteroidalHormonechart.pdf>

> com/TechnicalCharts/SteroidalHormonechart.pdf) Your

> > cortisol to DHEA ratio is extremely important in how you feel and

> function.

> > If you watched 's video, he says this is survival mode. You absolutely

> > need cortisol to live. Without it, you would die within a few days. DHEA

> > is the precursor to the sex/reproductive hormones and well, you don't need

> > to have sex/reproduce to survive! (I know some would disagree! :-))

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes, absolutely thyroid status is important! It's important since cortisol

> > and thyroid have an inverse relationship with each other. (When one is

> > high, the other is low - that's the way it's supposed to be.) But when you

> > don't have enough cortisol you don't use thyroid (T3) effectively - it

> > doesn't get into the cell to do it's job. Also, when you are stressed, you

> > tend to convert the thyroid hormone T4 to RT3 (reverse T3), which is bad

> bad

> > bad. (Short term, this is supposed to happen to deal with the stress.) RT3

> > blocks T3, which is the life giving, feel good, all important thyroid

> > hormone. It is what makes your cells run smoothly! Cortisol is involved in

> > that conversion process, so they are definitely tied together.

> >

> >

> >

> > Unfortnately, this gets very complicated very fast. Throw in estrogen and

> > testosterone and it's even more complicated! The hormones all work

> > synergistically, rising and falling based on negative feedback loops. So

> > when production of one hormone is low, the others up and down-regulate to

> > compensate and that's where the problem lies. Short term, this is what is

> > supposed to happen. But over the long term this is highly detrimental to

> > your physical and emotional health.

> >

> >

> >

> > I'm not trying to scare or discourage anyone, and hopefully I didn't. But

> I

> > really think this is important to know. Most people when they hear

> hormones

> > they think teenagers, PMS and menopause. Well, those are times when

> > hormones are changing so they are 'off'! When they are working right, no

> > one gives them a thought. With constant stress (Lyme/co's is a major

> > stressor) your hormones are going to be off. Killing the bugs definitely

> > helps regain hormone balance, but the effects of the hormone imbalance

> they

> > cause is not always easily fixed. This is why I think people who are

> > recently infected get better quicker - their short term hormone imbalance

> is

> > more easily fixed. When you get into years of hormone imbalance it is

> > extremely difficult to get it back to optimal funtioning. The big thing

> is,

> > the change in the hormone balance is very slow and subtle. You may not

> even

> > notice it. You'll attribute it to getting older or whatever. Well, it's

> > really just hormones getting out of whack!

> >

> >

> >

> > <<<pushing soap box back under the table>>>

> >

> >

> >

> > Sorry about that. It's just so much in my head that I think is important

> > for everyone to know! I know not all of you will agree with me. Most

> > people give little to no thought about their hormones. But they are the

> > messengers in the body. If the message isn't sent or is corrupted, then

> the

> > cells don't function properly.

> >

> >

> >

> > Hopefully I've at least helped weisstreasure!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From: Lyme_and_Rife@ <mailto:Lyme_and_Rife%40yahoogroups.com>

> yahoogroups.com [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife@

> <mailto:Lyme_and_Rife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]

> > On Behalf Of weisstreasure

> > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:36 PM

> > To: Lyme_and_Rife@ <mailto:Lyme_and_Rife%40yahoogroups.com>

> yahoogroups.com

> > Subject: Re: Heart Racing Symptoms and shakiness upon

> > awakening

> >

> >

> >

> > Well, the results are really in! I recharted my line, based on my wake-up

> > time being 5 hours later than everyone else, my rhythm off by 5 hous.

> > Plotting the noon for the 8, and 4 for the noon, and so on. The morning

> ones

> > are NORMAL (not even a spike on the one, even comparing it to the very

> first

> > morning one. My level was 27, which was really below their normal

> > marker--somebody just did bad artwork!) So all is well till I hit the time

> I

> > was feeling DROWSY AND TIRED AND WANTED TO TAKE A NAP, YUP! 4 p.m. and

> then

> > I bomb down to 1. Gee, did it help? Yup! That's when I wanted to take some

> > (and did, for a few days, just to get some work done!) What that means in

> > the overall picture is I think my adrenals need supplementation when they

> > are taxed/tired and cannot produce -- it falls into the late afternoon.

> I'm

> > back to thinking I will allow it if need be, but as I am now on an

> exercise

> > regiment, that will boost cortisol also (bodybuilders want to take

> > substances that reduce cortisol, as it is detrimental to fat burning, and

> > tends to pack fat).

> >

> > So I'm back to thinking I just need to do what I felt like doing, because

> 1)

> > it worked and 2) looking at the paper, properly plotted, it supports that

> I

> > needed it.

> >

> > (This was on 's recommendation, and it was a good one)

> >

> > I did notice DHEA went down since 2007--though it was in the norm both

> > times, it has dropped several points this time to a 5. So I seem to be

> > taxing that area more and more over time. That is consistent. I want more

> > pregnenolone! And I don't do a low-fat diet.

> >

> > What else--should I mess around with the T3 when the cortef is hit or

> miss?

> > I'm sure they tested my thyroid here in this batch of testing. Not sure

> that

> > any of it matters?

> >

> > _

> >

>