Re: [chelatingkids2] Immunolabs Autism Panel vs indiv. tests - Best bang for the buck?

[Guest guest]

Terri: The new comprehensive panel, formerly the McC

Panel and now called the Premier Autism Panel, costs

$772. This is not much more than the 4 I used to

list as the minimum panel, and includes all of them

plus much more. One of the most useful tests on this

is the functional, or cellular level, of MT. This

has become one of my most important tests to see

whether chelation is indicated, as it tells how

efficient the body's own MT is at detoxifying

itself. The RBC minerals and hair test give me an

indication of what the metals levels are, but what is

much more important is how the body is dealing with

that. It also tests for total immunoglobulins and

the neural auto-antibodies, antibodies against casein

and gluten, and Strep antibodies, plus all the viral

antibodies (herpes and rubeola). Dr. Vojdani and I

have been working on this for several years, and I

feel it is one of the most comprehensive and best

evaluative tests we can do for our kids. This plus

the ION at MetaMetrix are essential for me in any

initial work-up I do for a child, plus a Stool

Analysis and Hair Test at Doctor's Data for the

complete evaluation. It's quite expensive to start,

but gives the complete picture all at one time, and

an excellent treatment plan with the right priorities

can be laid out with this. To save parents $, I

require that the child be stabilized on the GF/CF/SF

or SCD before testing, else all tests will have to be

run again after they are on this, as values will

change everywhere, and they all need to be on a

restricted diet to start their healing process

anyway. BTW, at the Think Tank Shaw was challenged on

his MT test and told by experts their it is " not

relevant " , and I hate for parents to waste money on

that test, as MT is an intracellular protein and

cannot be measured with any accuracy on the blood

test that GPL does. ISL measures the functionality,

which is much more informative. When progress

plateaus, the 90food IgG hypersensitivity test is

important to see what else besides gluten and casein

the child may be reacting to. In my opinion, if our

kids still have autism and gut problems, we are going

to treat them for leaky gut, so I don't bother with

that one. Maybe if they're all well and you want to

see if it's safe to start introducing big peptides

again that test might hold more relevance. This is

just my opinion; others may vary. Hope this answers

your questions. Dr. JM

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To: chelatingkids2

Subject: [chelatingkids2] Immunolabs Autism Panel vs

indiv. tests - Best bang for the buck?

>Hi all,

>

>I'm contemplating getting some testing done soon and

wondering whether to

>do the Immunosciences Lab Comprehensive Autism

Panel, or the shorter autism

>panel, or to do several separate smaller tests.

We've never done any

>testing of viral antibodies or autoimmunity, so this

is a big area of my

>interest. I'm also interested in the currrent state

of his gut, i.e.

>whether it's still as leaky, has it healed any, is

he making good flora, etc.

>

>Jaquelyn mentions the following tests in her book

for the whole

>autoimmunity/virus area:

>1. Comprehensive viral screen #3

>2. Natural killer cytotoxicity test

>3. MBP antibodies

>4. Vaccinal antigen panels

>

>It looks to me like the autism panels I mentioned

above include many of the

>same things as these 4 tests. Just wondering if

anyone has run either of

>the above approaches, and what you think I'd get the

most for my money

>doing. I'm thinking I'll run their inexpensive

Intestinal Permeability

>blood test for the gut angle. Much less expensive

than a stool test, and a

>different approach than we've done before - might

give us more

>clues. Jaquelyn, if you see this post, can you tell

us which of the above

>you think is the most useful and/or cost-efficient

set of testing for

>viral/anti-immune stuff?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

As a parent that has ran most of the GPL test (OATS, Urinary peptide,

ELISA 90 food panel, hair metals, Comprehensive Stool analysis, Serum

antibody), the pricing on the premiere panel is a value! We have also

done testing through Pfeiffer (their initial work up), and it was $1000

at the time (fall 2003). We spent around $1300 for the GPL test over a

6 month period. I am not trying to offend any one by listing our

expenses, but to me, what you are get from this panel in terms of

results and cost make it a great choice. That is where I plan to focus

Aidan's DAN expenses this year. I am pleased with Pfeiffer's testing,

but they do not look at viral issues like this panel does. Aidan has

done wonderfully on GFCFEFSFYF the past 10 months, but he has reached a

plateau. We are moving on to SCD, and I am hoping to begin chelation by

late spring/early summer. For us, detoxifying and viral issues are the

next step. Hope that helps Terri! Just my 2 cents:-).

~

[chelatingkids2] Immunolabs Autism Panel vs

indiv. tests - Best bang for the buck?

>Hi all,

>

>I'm contemplating getting some testing done soon and

wondering whether to

>do the Immunosciences Lab Comprehensive Autism

Panel, or the shorter autism

>panel, or to do several separate smaller tests.

We've never done any

>testing of viral antibodies or autoimmunity, so this

is a big area of my

>interest. I'm also interested in the currrent state

of his gut, i.e.

>whether it's still as leaky, has it healed any, is

he making good flora, etc.

>

>Jaquelyn mentions the following tests in her book

for the whole

>autoimmunity/virus area:

>1. Comprehensive viral screen #3

>2. Natural killer cytotoxicity test

>3. MBP antibodies

>4. Vaccinal antigen panels

>

>It looks to me like the autism panels I mentioned

above include many of the

>same things as these 4 tests. Just wondering if

anyone has run either of

>the above approaches, and what you think I'd get the

most for my money

>doing. I'm thinking I'll run their inexpensive

Intestinal Permeability

>blood test for the gut angle. Much less expensive

than a stool test, and a

>different approach than we've done before - might

give us more

>clues. Jaquelyn, if you see this post, can you tell

us which of the above

>you think is the most useful and/or cost-efficient

set of testing for

>viral/anti-immune stuff?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. McCandless-

Can this functional Metallothionein level be used to tell when to stop

chelating? I am wondering whether this means that if a chelating child's MT

level is still abnormal, then chelation needs to be continued. If the level

eventually normalizes, could one then stop? It is so difficult to decide

when to stop chelation. Do we know yet whether this MT test can become

normal?

Thanks,

Kathy

[chelatingkids2] Immunolabs Autism Panel vs

> indiv. tests - Best bang for the buck?

>

> >Hi all,

> >

> >I'm contemplating getting some testing done soon and

> wondering whether to

> >do the Immunosciences Lab Comprehensive Autism

> Panel, or the shorter autism

> >panel, or to do several separate smaller tests.

> We've never done any

> >testing of viral antibodies or autoimmunity, so this

> is a big area of my

> >interest. I'm also interested in the currrent state

> of his gut, i.e.

> >whether it's still as leaky, has it healed any, is

> he making good flora, etc.

> >

> >Jaquelyn mentions the following tests in her book

> for the whole

> >autoimmunity/virus area:

> >1. Comprehensive viral screen #3

> >2. Natural killer cytotoxicity test

> >3. MBP antibodies

> >4. Vaccinal antigen panels

> >

> >It looks to me like the autism panels I mentioned

> above include many of the

> >same things as these 4 tests. Just wondering if

> anyone has run either of

> >the above approaches, and what you think I'd get the

> most for my money

> >doing. I'm thinking I'll run their inexpensive

> Intestinal Permeability

> >blood test for the gut angle. Much less expensive

> than a stool test, and a

> >different approach than we've done before - might

> give us more

> >clues. Jaquelyn, if you see this post, can you tell

> us which of the above

> >you think is the most useful and/or cost-efficient

> set of testing for

> >viral/anti-immune stuff?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

This test has not been out long enough for me to

definitively answer that, but I would assume that if

glutathione and zinc and other measures are keeping

enough glutathione working plus removal of metals,

the test will normalize and will be a marker for the

parent being able to say, " the body has taken over

its own detoxification process " , what we're all

working for. As I get more clinical data, I'll keep

you posted. Dr. JM

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>when to stop chelation. Do we know yet whether this

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>Thanks,<BR>

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