Re: Constipation, severe gas, and then explosive BM's

[Guest guest]

,

The one thing probably most of us would recommend is to really

increase probiotics. Also, you probably may want to try a good multi-

strain product. A lot of us are using the Therbiotic Complete from

Klaire now with good results (and they have several other products in

the Therbiotic line too). Also Kirkman's has Probio gold and I've

had some success with it. There are also several other gut-healthy

things you can try.

For example, this is what I give Jack for gut health on a daily

basis. Enzymes with every meal.

Aqua Flora first thing in the morning (yeast homeopathic, taste like

water), nystatin, lauricidin (excellent overall gut health supp.),

NAG (for constipation/colitis issues), Thorne's GIENCAP (when he

needs a little extra gut support), then for probiotics in the am. he

gets Primal Defense and sometimes I give Sacromyces Boulardii (it's a

yeast, but non-colonizing), and I usually will give one culturelle or

probiogold then too.

In the afternoon I will give one of the following on a rotation every

few days -- Biocidin+Nophenol, SF722, GSE+Nophenol, Olive leaf

extract. If he seems really buggy, I will give one of those in the

am before breakfast also(a good hour or more before I give

probiotics -- my strategy w/ probiotics is to give them last thing

before he leaves for school and last thing before he goes to bed).

I give his vitamins and other supps right after he finishes breakfast

and dinner (separate from gut stuff and probiotics).

In the evening about an hour or so after dinner I give nystatin and

lauricidin and then right before bed, he gets 1 or 2 Therbiotic

complete, 1 or 2 culturelle, and 1 or 2 probiogold (I vary what he

gets and how much depending on his bm's and behavior).

Hope that helps some. We all have to strategize and figure out how

to get the supps. in our kids in a way that works for them and their

schedules. BTW, Jack has been on Nystatin for over a year and I'm

getting ready to do a trial of dropping it since I have so much other

stuff in place.

Sharon

> Hi all,

>

> I've just spent several hours reading the archive list and found

> several posts that I believe will help my 29 month old son. Thank

you

> for such a great list!

>

> Our major problem with Noah is with his bowels. Ever since we

started

> our 10 day round of Flagyl and 5-week round of Diflucan (started at

> the same time as Flagyl and we are in our 4th week of Diflucan),

Noah

> has been really constipated.(He's always had issues of constipation

> and mushy stools (starting when we went GFCFSF), but he now goes

> about 3 days between BM's). When he's constipated, he gets really

> bad gas (horrible, foul smell) for about 2 days and then on the 3rd

> day he has an explosive poo which looks like it has rice and little

> white beads in it. (He's GFCFSF and does not have rice, potatoes,

or

> corn and eats only pear sauce and drinks a little diluted pear

juice

> for his supps). His poos are mushy and smell horrible. We literally

> have to open the windows and light incense and it takes at least 30

> minutes for the smell to filter out.

>

> We have given in a few times and given him a few french fries, and

I

> really think the carbs help with his behavior (he seems happier),

but

> once he eats anything made with potato, he won't eat anything else

at

> all. Nothing - he craves the potato. Also, since we started on

Flagyl

> and Diflucan, he doesn't want to eat his fave foods (he used to be

a

> huge veggie eater). Now, he only wants to eat meat. Literally. In

the

> last 4 weeks, he will only eat meat and maybe one pear sauce a day.

>

> His OATS results were:

> Arabinose: 268.89

> HPHPA: 764.7

> Citric: 1140.9

> VMA: 14.3

> Hippuric: 1113.05

>

> He's on Culturelle (1 cap a day), Taurine, Zyme-Prime, AFP

Peptizide,

> Selenium, DMG, Hypo SNT, and ALC. We've been on all the supps for

> about 6 weeks now. GFCFSF for 10 months.

>

> I'm sorry to be so discript, but I feel like it's tearing our

family

> apart. We are racking our brains trying to help Noah, but it seems

> like nothing is working. He is so much more focused when he has

solid

> BM's. It may sound weird, but it's true. I really believe his gut

> issue is the root to most of his delays.

>

> I read about the Probiotic Pearls in the archives and we might try

> them. I'm not sure the Culturelle is really helping. We get our

food

> allergy test results and lead/metal blood results next Thursday.

>

> Would appreciate any advice that you can give. Maybe we need to add

a

> new supplement or probiotic? Or do we just need to give it more

time?

>

> Thank you so much!

>

>

> Mom to Noah Partha, 29 months

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

Thank you so much for the information. I really appreciate the detail

you gave - it really helped to explain things.

Do you know if too much Probiotics can be toxic or cause a bad

reaction? Or do we just slowly build-up and note behaviors/progress?

Our DAN! doctor is great, but he's an allergist who follows the DAN

protocol and has an overload of regular patients to treat. So I feel

that we have to do all of the research and info that goes beyond the

basic " give one culturelle a day " advice that we've been given. (But

I'm not complaining - he's been a blessing).

Have you noticed a positive change in your son since you started

battling the yeast and bacteria? I know how bad I feel if I have an

upset stomach, so I can only imagine how Noah feels having to deal

with it 24/7.

I think my biggest fear is that I'm going to give too much of

something. For ex: we have some homeopathic yeast drops (Kids

Wellness Candida drops), but I've been nervous to give them at the

same time that we're giving Diflucan.

I read about the AquaFlora and TherBiotic Complete in the archives

and will try to check out more info on them today. I'm really eager

to get Noah's yeast and bacteria under control. It makes me sick that

Noah started GFCF and ABA at 19 months, but that we're only just now

starting complete biomedical intervention.

Thanks again for your help - and for posting what your son takes.

That really helped a lot.

Best wishes,

[Guest guest]

,

I've been there where you are and had lots of help from the lists. I

really appreciate all of the help others have given me.

Sharon

> Do you know if too much Probiotics can be toxic or cause a bad

> reaction? Or do we just slowly build-up and note behaviors/progress

I think with everything, you build up and only start one new thing at

a time to make sure tolerance is okay. That said, Since you know you

child tolerates culturelle (or if you think so since that's what your

using), you can probably give two (and even give it more than once a

day). It's all so individual, one of those things that mom judgement

has to call.

> Have you noticed a positive change in your son since you started

> battling the yeast and bacteria? I know how bad I feel if I have an

> upset stomach, so I can only imagine how Noah feels having to deal

> with it 24/7.

Yes, when Jack is having more normal bm's his overall health is

better and he is much more calm and organized. Jack's cheeks get

pink/red and bumpy when gut bugs are flaring or if he's had a

reaction to something(it's an immune response)He has done very well

with the gut treatments, but it's one of those things we have to stay

on top of constantly to keep him on the right track. We had him

scoped last August and he does have colitis throughout and LNH of the

ileum. We *may* do a trial of Azulfidine based on Dr. Krigsman's

recommendations (he got very loopy after 4 days of Asacol, so we

stopped that one).

> I think my biggest fear is that I'm going to give too much of

> something. For ex: we have some homeopathic yeast drops (Kids

> Wellness Candida drops), but I've been nervous to give them at the

> same time that we're giving Diflucan.

The main thing to do is to really ramp up the probiotics during

Diflucan (otherwise clostridia will get worse) and then keep at a

higher dose for a while after done with the meds. This also applies

for the flagyl. This was great advice gram gave me....

[Guest guest]

Sharon, thanks again for the info! It couldn't have come at a better

time. A friend of mine called last night and couldn't understand why

after 7 weeks of Diflucan, her son's yeast was down (still high, but

down), but he suddenly had a bacteria problem on his recent OATS

test. Before Diflucan, he had no bacteria at all.

Your email just solved the puzzle!

It is a shame that Diflucan helps with yeast, but stirs up bacteria.

And that Flagyl helps with bacteria, but causes yeast. Geez! Talk

about going in a circle.

Will definitely start to slowly increase my son's dose of Culterelle

and will look into new probiotics, as well.

Thanks again!

:-)

Mom to Noah Partha, 29 months