Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Dr McCandless, I just ordered the Therbiotics Detox from Klaire also and would like to ask where you're coming out on your preference for the Complete or the Detox, and under which circumstances. I'm certainly happy to try the Detox but wonder whether to order the Complete when it's back in stock. We have lots of candidates in our house of varying age, so nothing good will go to waste! Most specifically, for a 4 year old ASD on TTFD, Vanco etc, how much Detox would you like to see given? Thanks and I hope this is useful to others as well. Abbie Fw: [TherBiotic Complete Update?? > > > > > > > I still > > have this nagging feeling that it may have just been die-off, but the > > behaviors were so bad (which seemed scary..like a reaction) that I had to > > re-group. I have gotten away from Aqua Flora, and I think I'll slowly > dose > > that up and attack this (or these yeasty bugs) from behind. Ramp that up > > and then try the TBC again down the road (after we visit our Bioset doc). > > Well, at least that's my plan for now, lol, I always feel better when I > have > > a " plan. " ) Hope it gets better for (and you) soon! Thanks for > > sharing that we weren't alone with this one. > >> > >> XXXX> > I'm sorry to hear this but think I may have a similar reaction with > > > XXXX. He is wild and manic and belligerent and seems to be getting > > > worse. We're on day six at one a day. Is it possible that it is > > > killing off the yeast and allowing some other nasty to express itself > > > more? My other more NT kids are doing fine after six days. I'm not > > > sure whether to stop or continue. Like you, I'll probably wait until > > > I can't take it anymore. XXX hasn't acted like this in months. I > > > really hate to give up since I feel sure it is a great yeast killer, > > > but this behavior is hard to take. I'll probably give another day or > > > two. Anyone else with this reaction? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Sharon: Klaire had to give the TB Detox while TBC was back-ordered, and it is much stronger than TBC. I do think you're giving way too many probiotics; die-off could have been an issue. Was his D-lactate high on his OAT? He may have been getting too much lacto. JM Fw: [TherBiotic Complete Update?? > > > > > > > I still > > have this nagging feeling that it may have just been die-off, but the > > behaviors were so bad (which seemed scary..like a reaction) that I had to > > re-group. I have gotten away from Aqua Flora, and I think I'll slowly > dose > > that up and attack this (or these yeasty bugs) from behind. Ramp that up > > and then try the TBC again down the road (after we visit our Bioset doc). > > Well, at least that's my plan for now, lol, I always feel better when I > have > > a " plan. " ) Hope it gets better for (and you) soon! Thanks for > > sharing that we weren't alone with this one. > >> > >> XXXX> > I'm sorry to hear this but think I may have a similar reaction with > > > XXXX. He is wild and manic and belligerent and seems to be getting > > > worse. We're on day six at one a day. Is it possible that it is > > > killing off the yeast and allowing some other nasty to express itself > > > more? My other more NT kids are doing fine after six days. I'm not > > > sure whether to stop or continue. Like you, I'll probably wait until > > > I can't take it anymore. XXX hasn't acted like this in months. I > > > really hate to give up since I feel sure it is a great yeast killer, > > > but this behavior is hard to take. I'll probably give another day or > > > two. Anyone else with this reaction? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Is anyone using this? It's suppose to be much more potent that the complete. We were using it for a few weeks first at 2 caps a day and then 1 cap a day when I heard others talking about how strong the complete is. He also still got his other probiotics (primal defense, culturelle, probio gold). He seemed like he had some gut bugs around the time too (bumpy bottom, silly/hyper/sensory behaviors, getting hiccups a lot, irregular bm's and consistency etc.). We did an OAT and I just looked up in our journal - it was done around two weeks after starting the Therb. Detox. His OAT showed VERY high clostridia and yeast. My question is -- does it mean that the Therbiotic Detox was not effective? Or could it mean that he was in a drawn out die-off??? Dr. McCandless, do you have any thoughts? Could I just be giving him too many probiotics???? Thank you for any comments. Sharon > This FYI from Ilene Buchholtz at Klaire: > > Well this child's reaction certainly is a bit of a challenge but hopefully it can be worked > out. I agree with you regarding lowering the dosage and another suggestion > would be to switch over to a single strain like L. rhamnosus and build up > from there. > > It is always difficult to assess these responses and generally the first > observation is a die-off reaction. When delivering significantly higher > potencies, such as what happens when supplementing with the Ther- Biotic > Complete with InTactic, then these responses may certainly be more > noticeable. It is well recognized that probiotics produce a broad range of > anti-microbial and anti-bacterial agents (acidolin, lactocidin, ruterin, > etc.) which are recognized for their ability to kill off pathogenic > organisms in the intestinal tract. With the InTactic technology there is > significantly higher delivery of friendly flora to the intestines, > conservatively at least 10 times more then a standard probiotic capsule an > thus the greater potential for the die-off. > > Dr. Crook (author of The Yeast Connection) has described quite > significant reactions, resulting in severe physical and/or central nervous > system symptoms when Candida organisms are killed off and potent toxins and > by products are liberated into the body. So when someone describes manic > behavior, stimming, etc. this provides some support to validate a potential > die-off or herxheimer response. > > The recommendation would be to start with a small dose and gradually > increase the probiotic over time. The best suggestion is to open the capsule > and start with a portion of the contents. This may mean taking 1/4 to 1/2 of > the capsule mixed in with food which will lessen the amount being delivered > into the intestinal tract. Starting at a low dose one can then work up to > higher doses until there is optimal symptom response established. > > I think the best suggestion would be to either stop the probiotic for a > short time until the symptoms begin to resolve and then gradually/slowly > begin again. Or if these moms would like to start with a single formulation > like the Ther-Biotic Factor I (which is a 20 billion CFU Lactobacillus > rhamnosus product) they may want to try it initially before going on to the > multi-strain product. The Factor 1 is pretty potent also but for some > children who are really reactive they may do better on the single strain to > start off with. There won't be any charge for this mom or anyone else who has had a negative response to Ther-Biotic Complete for these other products; we'll send > them out to whomever you would like...just let us know. > > Of interest, the feedback from physicians regarding use of the Ther- Biotic > line in their mostly adult patients has been exceedingly positive with some stellar responses described. > > > > > Fw: [TherBiotic Complete Update?? > > > > > > > I still > > have this nagging feeling that it may have just been die-off, but the > > behaviors were so bad (which seemed scary..like a reaction) that I had to > > re-group. I have gotten away from Aqua Flora, and I think I'll slowly > dose > > that up and attack this (or these yeasty bugs) from behind. Ramp that up > > and then try the TBC again down the road (after we visit our Bioset doc). > > Well, at least that's my plan for now, lol, I always feel better when I > have > > a " plan. " ) Hope it gets better for (and you) soon! Thanks for > > sharing that we weren't alone with this one. > >> > >> XXXX> > I'm sorry to hear this but think I may have a similar reaction with > > > XXXX. He is wild and manic and belligerent and seems to be getting > > > worse. We're on day six at one a day. Is it possible that it is > > > killing off the yeast and allowing some other nasty to express itself > > > more? My other more NT kids are doing fine after six days. I'm not > > > sure whether to stop or continue. Like you, I'll probably wait until > > > I can't take it anymore. XXX hasn't acted like this in months. I > > > really hate to give up since I feel sure it is a great yeast killer, > > > but this behavior is hard to take. I'll probably give another day or > > > two. Anyone else with this reaction? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Abbie: We wouldn't ordinarily start with the Detox which is much stronger than the TBC, except that TBC is not coming in until the beginning of next week. I would start with 1/4 of a capsule of the T-D (discard the rest or you or someone bigger and older have it - it's actually good for most of us with all the toxins everywhere) once daily for a week. Then see how he's doing on it, and go up to 1/4 twice daily. It doesn't have as many strains as TBC, so I use it after kids are used to TBC and then start chelation, especially DMSA and/or ALA as the gut gets such a beating with these stronger chelating agents. Otherwise I prefer TBC as a general all-around probiotic, with everyone starting low and slow (1/2 of a capsule once daily, then moving up to one a day for maintenance. I only go to twice a day with an active yeast or clostridia overgrowth). Some kids react at first, I think mainly die-off, but for the most part I am getting excellent reports. Dr. JM Fw: [TherBiotic Complete Update?? > > > > > > > I still > > have this nagging feeling that it may have just been die-off, but the > > behaviors were so bad (which seemed scary..like a reaction) that I had to > > re-group. I have gotten away from Aqua Flora, and I think I'll slowly > dose > > that up and attack this (or these yeasty bugs) from behind. Ramp that up > > and then try the TBC again down the road (after we visit our Bioset doc). > > Well, at least that's my plan for now, lol, I always feel better when I > have > > a " plan. " ) Hope it gets better for (and you) soon! Thanks for > > sharing that we weren't alone with this one. > >> > >> XXXX> > I'm sorry to hear this but think I may have a similar reaction with > > > XXXX. He is wild and manic and belligerent and seems to be getting > > > worse. We're on day six at one a day. Is it possible that it is > > > killing off the yeast and allowing some other nasty to express itself > > > more? My other more NT kids are doing fine after six days. I'm not > > > sure whether to stop or continue. Like you, I'll probably wait until > > > I can't take it anymore. XXX hasn't acted like this in months. I > > > really hate to give up since I feel sure it is a great yeast killer, > > > but this behavior is hard to take. I'll probably give another day or > > > two. Anyone else with this reaction? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Sharon: I'm sorry I really can't advise you so specifically without all the diet history and testing (not appropriate for me until the evaluation) - I have no idea why all these probiotics weren't working. Dr. JM Fw: [TherBiotic Complete Update?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still > > > have this nagging feeling that it may have just been die- off, but > the > > > behaviors were so bad (which seemed scary..like a reaction) that > I had to > > > re-group. I have gotten away from Aqua Flora, and I think I'll > slowly > > dose > > > that up and attack this (or these yeasty bugs) from behind. Ramp > that up > > > and then try the TBC again down the road (after we visit our > Bioset doc). > > > Well, at least that's my plan for now, lol, I always feel better > when I > > have > > > a " plan. " ) Hope it gets better for (and you) soon! > Thanks for > > > sharing that we weren't alone with this one. > > >> > > >> XXXX> > I'm sorry to hear this but think I may have a similar > reaction with > > > > XXXX. He is wild and manic and belligerent and seems to be > getting > > > > worse. We're on day six at one a day. Is it possible that it > is > > > > killing off the yeast and allowing some other nasty to express > itself > > > > more? My other more NT kids are doing fine after six days. > I'm not > > > > sure whether to stop or continue. Like you, I'll probably wait > until > > > > I can't take it anymore. XXX hasn't acted like this in > months. I > > > > really hate to give up since I feel sure it is a great yeast > killer, > > > > but this behavior is hard to take. I'll probably give another > day or > > > > two. Anyone else with this reaction? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Wow, it's so hard getting use to the idea of giving such small amounts of a probiotic, when we've been use to giving tons.... I wonder though why Jack's clostridia and yeast numbers were so high while I was giving him so much of the Therbiotic Detox (and the OAT was done 2 weeks after starting). I haven't gotten a copy of the OAT yet to see what his lactic was... it's never been high in the urine. One question, should we continue with our other probiotics while adding in the Therbiotic??? I'm so nervous about pulling them away. Sharon > > This FYI from Ilene Buchholtz at Klaire: > > > > Well this child's reaction certainly is a bit of a challenge but > hopefully it can be worked > > out. I agree with you regarding lowering the dosage and another > suggestion > > would be to switch over to a single strain like L. rhamnosus and > build up > > from there. > > > > It is always difficult to assess these responses and generally the > first > > observation is a die-off reaction. When delivering significantly > higher > > potencies, such as what happens when supplementing with the Ther- > Biotic > > Complete with InTactic, then these responses may certainly be more > > noticeable. It is well recognized that probiotics produce a broad > range of > > anti-microbial and anti-bacterial agents (acidolin, lactocidin, > ruterin, > > etc.) which are recognized for their ability to kill off pathogenic > > organisms in the intestinal tract. With the InTactic technology > there is > > significantly higher delivery of friendly flora to the intestines, > > conservatively at least 10 times more then a standard probiotic > capsule an > > thus the greater potential for the die-off. > > > > Dr. Crook (author of The Yeast Connection) has described > quite > > significant reactions, resulting in severe physical and/or central > nervous > > system symptoms when Candida organisms are killed off and potent > toxins and > > by products are liberated into the body. So when someone describes > manic > > behavior, stimming, etc. this provides some support to validate a > potential > > die-off or herxheimer response. > > > > The recommendation would be to start with a small dose and gradually > > increase the probiotic over time. The best suggestion is to open > the capsule > > and start with a portion of the contents. This may mean taking 1/4 > to 1/2 of > > the capsule mixed in with food which will lessen the amount being > delivered > > into the intestinal tract. Starting at a low dose one can then work > up to > > higher doses until there is optimal symptom response established. > > > > I think the best suggestion would be to either stop the probiotic > for a > > short time until the symptoms begin to resolve and then > gradually/slowly > > begin again. Or if these moms would like to start with a single > formulation > > like the Ther-Biotic Factor I (which is a 20 billion CFU > Lactobacillus > > rhamnosus product) they may want to try it initially before going > on to the > > multi-strain product. The Factor 1 is pretty potent also but for > some > > children who are really reactive they may do better on the single > strain to > > start off with. There won't be any charge for this mom or anyone > else who has had a negative response to Ther-Biotic Complete for > these other products; we'll send > > them out to whomever you would like...just let us know. > > > > Of interest, the feedback from physicians regarding use of the Ther- > Biotic > > line in their mostly adult patients has been exceedingly positive > with some stellar responses described. > > > > > > > > > > Fw: [TherBiotic Complete Update?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still > > > have this nagging feeling that it may have just been die- off, but > the > > > behaviors were so bad (which seemed scary..like a reaction) that > I had to > > > re-group. I have gotten away from Aqua Flora, and I think I'll > slowly > > dose > > > that up and attack this (or these yeasty bugs) from behind. Ramp > that up > > > and then try the TBC again down the road (after we visit our > Bioset doc). > > > Well, at least that's my plan for now, lol, I always feel better > when I > > have > > > a " plan. " ) Hope it gets better for (and you) soon! > Thanks for > > > sharing that we weren't alone with this one. > > >> > > >> XXXX> > I'm sorry to hear this but think I may have a similar > reaction with > > > > XXXX. He is wild and manic and belligerent and seems to be > getting > > > > worse. We're on day six at one a day. Is it possible that it > is > > > > killing off the yeast and allowing some other nasty to express > itself > > > > more? My other more NT kids are doing fine after six days. > I'm not > > > > sure whether to stop or continue. Like you, I'll probably wait > until > > > > I can't take it anymore. XXX hasn't acted like this in > months. I > > > > really hate to give up since I feel sure it is a great yeast > killer, > > > > but this behavior is hard to take. I'll probably give another > day or > > > > two. Anyone else with this reaction? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Sharon: What other probiotics are you giving in addition to the Ther-Biotic detox? The Detox has 3 strains--L. rhamnosus (same as in Culturelle) Bifidobacterium bifidum, and L. casei, and in very high amounts. This product really is designed for those actively chelating, as well as folks who have just finished a course of antibiotics, and need to repopulate good flora that gets destroyed by the antibiotics. The Detox are all excellent strains, and using just a small amount of the capsule should provide you with good coverage. As far as potency, it really does require a different way of thinking when it comes to the Ther-Biotic line. The lab data shows that Ther-Biotic with the InTactic delivery technology allows at least 10 times the number of probiotic strains to reach the intestine as compared to other probiotic products without protection (which is the majority of products available.) Put another way, you'd need to take almost 10 Culturelle to equal 1 Ther-Biotic Factor 1 (which is Klaire's single strain L. rhamnosus product, the same strain as in Culturelle.) This potency might go down slightly if you pull the capsules apart, but if you mix them in with yogurt or other soft/cool food, the InTactic still provides good protection from stomach acid, as it is mixed right in with the strains. We've been using the Ther-Biotic Complete with my sons since it came out, with good response. For years we have been giving multiples of Culturelle and ProBioGold every day--sometimes as many as 5 probiotic capsules a day; it has been great to be able to use a single capsule, for both convenience and cost reasons. Gaynelle > > > This FYI from Ilene Buchholtz at Klaire: > > > > > > Well this child's reaction certainly is a bit of a > challenge but > > hopefully it can be worked > > > out. I agree with you regarding lowering the dosage and > another > > suggestion > > > would be to switch over to a single strain like L. > rhamnosus and > > build up > > > from there. > > > > > > It is always difficult to assess these responses and > generally the > > first > > > observation is a die-off reaction. When delivering > significantly > > higher > > > potencies, such as what happens when supplementing with the > Ther- > > Biotic > > > Complete with InTactic, then these responses may certainly > be more > > > noticeable. It is well recognized that probiotics produce a > broad > > range of > > > anti-microbial and anti-bacterial agents (acidolin, > lactocidin, > > ruterin, > > > etc.) which are recognized for their ability to kill off > pathogenic > > > organisms in the intestinal tract. With the InTactic > technology > > there is > > > significantly higher delivery of friendly flora to the > intestines, > > > conservatively at least 10 times more then a standard > probiotic > > capsule an > > > thus the greater potential for the die-off. > > > > > > Dr. Crook (author of The Yeast Connection) has > described > > quite > > > significant reactions, resulting in severe physical and/or > central > > nervous > > > system symptoms when Candida organisms are killed off and > potent > > toxins and > > > by products are liberated into the body. So when someone > describes > > manic > > > behavior, stimming, etc. this provides some support to > validate a > > potential > > > die-off or herxheimer response. > > > > > > The recommendation would be to start with a small dose and > gradually > > > increase the probiotic over time. The best suggestion is to > open > > the capsule > > > and start with a portion of the contents. This may mean > taking 1/4 > > to 1/2 of > > > the capsule mixed in with food which will lessen the amount > being > > delivered > > > into the intestinal tract. Starting at a low dose one can > then work > > up to > > > higher doses until there is optimal symptom response > established. > > > > > > I think the best suggestion would be to either stop the > probiotic > > for a > > > short time until the symptoms begin to resolve and then > > gradually/slowly > > > begin again. Or if these moms would like to start with a > single > > formulation > > > like the Ther-Biotic Factor I (which is a 20 billion CFU > > Lactobacillus > > > rhamnosus product) they may want to try it initially before > going > > on to the > > > multi-strain product. The Factor 1 is pretty potent also > but for > > some > > > children who are really reactive they may do better on the > single > > strain to > > > start off with. There won't be any charge for this mom or > anyone > > else who has had a negative response to Ther-Biotic Complete > for > > these other products; we'll send > > > them out to whomever you would like...just let us know. > > > > > > Of interest, the feedback from physicians regarding use of > the Ther- > > Biotic > > > line in their mostly adult patients has been exceedingly > positive > > with some stellar responses described. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fw: [TherBiotic Complete Update?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still > > > > have this nagging feeling that it may have just been die- > off, but > > the > > > > behaviors were so bad (which seemed scary..like a > reaction) that > > I had to > > > > re-group. I have gotten away from Aqua Flora, and I > think I'll > > slowly > > > dose > > > > that up and attack this (or these yeasty bugs) from > behind. Ramp > > that up > > > > and then try the TBC again down the road (after we visit > our > > Bioset doc). > > > > Well, at least that's my plan for now, lol, I always feel > better > > when I > > > have > > > > a " plan. " ) Hope it gets better for (and you) > soon! > > Thanks for > > > > sharing that we weren't alone with this one. > > > >> > > > >> XXXX> > I'm sorry to hear this but think I may have a > similar > > reaction with > > > > > XXXX. He is wild and manic and belligerent and seems > to be > > getting > > > > > worse. We're on day six at one a day. Is it possible > that it > > is > > > > > killing off the yeast and allowing some other nasty to > express > > itself > > > > > more? My other more NT kids are doing fine after six > days. > > I'm not > > > > > sure whether to stop or continue. Like you, I'll > probably wait > > until > > > > > I can't take it anymore. XXX hasn't acted like this in > > months. I > > > > > really hate to give up since I feel sure it is a great > yeast > > killer, > > > > > but this behavior is hard to take. I'll probably give > another > > day or > > > > > two. Anyone else with this reaction? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 The reason I jumped so full force into the therbiotic detox is because we have been chelating with ALA only every other weekend (done 6 rounds so far and seeing nice progress). I had been able to keep gut bugs reasonable at bay (at least according to his bm's) by using lots of culturelle, probio gold and primal defense and also Thorne's lacto.sporenges. Some sac. boulardii as well (I tended to rotate based on what his stools were like etc.). I didn't realize how potent the Therbiotic line really is -- there wasn't a ton of talk about it when we started. When Jack's gut seems pretty good, he usually gets a primal defense in the am (and sometimes a probio gold) and then before bed I'll usually give one or two culturelle and one probio gold. If he's acting yeasty or having bm issues, I increase the culturelle and probio and add in either the sac. boulardii or thorne's. I do give a lot when it seems he's having pathogen issues based on recomendations I've read and others have shared. So I gave my usual increased doses along with 1 or 2 capsules of the Therbiotic Detox. Based on what I'm hearing, I would have thought he would have had massive die-off and horrid behavior issues. That hasn't been the case. Instead he's just been very sensory, a little stimmy, very silly, and hyper -- this could either be bugs coming or going. We've been off the detox for a week or so and I haven't really noticed any big difference. He's still acting yeasty. He also has just come down with a cold, so this is making his immune system a bit weaker towards the bugs (and he's had nasty stools though not increased frequency). So I can't figure this out. Perhaps he's going through a long drawn out die-off from the Therbiotic Detox and that's why his OAT showed such high clostridia and yeast levels from a few weeks ago. I'll let you guys know how it goes and what ends up helping. Sharon > > > > This FYI from Ilene Buchholtz at Klaire: > > > > > > > > Well this child's reaction certainly is a bit of a > > challenge but > > > hopefully it can be worked > > > > out. I agree with you regarding lowering the dosage and > > another > > > suggestion > > > > would be to switch over to a single strain like L. > > rhamnosus and > > > build up > > > > from there. > > > > > > > > It is always difficult to assess these responses and > > generally the > > > first > > > > observation is a die-off reaction. When delivering > > significantly > > > higher > > > > potencies, such as what happens when supplementing > with the > > Ther- > > > Biotic > > > > Complete with InTactic, then these responses may > certainly > > be more > > > > noticeable. It is well recognized that probiotics produce > a > > broad > > > range of > > > > anti-microbial and anti-bacterial agents (acidolin, > > lactocidin, > > > ruterin, > > > > etc.) which are recognized for their ability to kill off > > pathogenic > > > > organisms in the intestinal tract. With the InTactic > > technology > > > there is > > > > significantly higher delivery of friendly flora to the > > intestines, > > > > conservatively at least 10 times more then a standard > > probiotic > > > capsule an > > > > thus the greater potential for the die-off. > > > > > > > > Dr. Crook (author of The Yeast Connection) has > > described > > > quite > > > > significant reactions, resulting in severe physical and/or > > central > > > nervous > > > > system symptoms when Candida organisms are killed > off and > > potent > > > toxins and > > > > by products are liberated into the body. So when > someone > > describes > > > manic > > > > behavior, stimming, etc. this provides some support to > > validate a > > > potential > > > > die-off or herxheimer response. > > > > > > > > The recommendation would be to start with a small > dose and > > gradually > > > > increase the probiotic over time. The best suggestion is > to > > open > > > the capsule > > > > and start with a portion of the contents. This may mean > > taking 1/4 > > > to 1/2 of > > > > the capsule mixed in with food which will lessen the > amount > > being > > > delivered > > > > into the intestinal tract. Starting at a low dose one can > > then work > > > up to > > > > higher doses until there is optimal symptom response > > established. > > > > > > > > I think the best suggestion would be to either stop the > > probiotic > > > for a > > > > short time until the symptoms begin to resolve and then > > > gradually/slowly > > > > begin again. Or if these moms would like to start with a > > single > > > formulation > > > > like the Ther-Biotic Factor I (which is a 20 billion CFU > > > Lactobacillus > > > > rhamnosus product) they may want to try it initially > before > > going > > > on to the > > > > multi-strain product. The Factor 1 is pretty potent also > > but for > > > some > > > > children who are really reactive they may do better on > the > > single > > > strain to > > > > start off with. There won't be any charge for this mom or > > anyone > > > else who has had a negative response to Ther-Biotic > Complete > > for > > > these other products; we'll send > > > > them out to whomever you would like...just let us know. > > > > > > > > Of interest, the feedback from physicians regarding use > of > > the Ther- > > > Biotic > > > > line in their mostly adult patients has been exceedingly > > positive > > > with some stellar responses described. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fw: [TherBiotic Complete Update?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still > > > > > have this nagging feeling that it may have just been > die- > > off, but > > > the > > > > > behaviors were so bad (which seemed scary..like a > > reaction) that > > > I had to > > > > > re-group. I have gotten away from Aqua Flora, and I > > think I'll > > > slowly > > > > dose > > > > > that up and attack this (or these yeasty bugs) from > > behind. Ramp > > > that up > > > > > and then try the TBC again down the road (after we > visit > > our > > > Bioset doc). > > > > > Well, at least that's my plan for now, lol, I always feel > > better > > > when I > > > > have > > > > > a " plan. " ) Hope it gets better for (and you) > > soon! > > > Thanks for > > > > > sharing that we weren't alone with this one. > > > > >> > > > > >> XXXX> > I'm sorry to hear this but think I may have a > > similar > > > reaction with > > > > > > XXXX. He is wild and manic and belligerent and > seems > > to be > > > getting > > > > > > worse. We're on day six at one a day. Is it possible > > that it > > > is > > > > > > killing off the yeast and allowing some other nasty to > > express > > > itself > > > > > > more? My other more NT kids are doing fine after > six > > days. > > > I'm not > > > > > > sure whether to stop or continue. Like you, I'll > > probably wait > > > until > > > > > > I can't take it anymore. XXX hasn't acted like this in > > > months. I > > > > > > really hate to give up since I feel sure it is a great > > yeast > > > killer, > > > > > > but this behavior is hard to take. I'll probably give > > another > > > day or > > > > > > two. Anyone else with this reaction? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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