Re: Alpine goats(was Heidi's goats)

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most likely the alpine was bottled, the boer dam raised.

I have had goats for many years. boer x's, alpine x's sables, saanens, oberhasli, toggenburg,nubian, pygmy, lamancha, and x's of them. friendliness does not seem to necessarily be breed realated, imo.some boers are sppoky, some not. other breeds the same. Temperments can be somewhat breed related when it gets to training, but i try and dam raise all my kids, and when it is time to handle them, most repsond positively, some do not, the older the harder to get friendly.

www.MajestyFarm.comNorth Garden, Virginia

Alpine goats(was Heidi's goats)

> I don't know for certain, , but an educated guess would be > Alpines (appropriately enough!) -- I "met" several of that breed at > our County 4-H/FFA Fair a couple of weeks ago. Lively, energetic, and > rather friendly creatures they were! :-)We just got an Alpine wether as a friend for our Boer Meat Goat 4-H project. The Boer is not very friendly to humans, it just barely tolerates us but the Alpine is the sweetest little thing. If I was ever going to get goats for milking I would certainly look into the Alpines. This thing is just like a dog it's so sweet. It's interesting how different the personalities are.We got the goat from the farm we get our goat milk from. They are planning to butcher him in a few months but "loaned" him to us until the Boer goes to fair. I might just have to rescue him from the butcher.PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

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That would be the difference between a bottlefed baby and a dam raised! All of my kids are my children, they are always so excited to see me and come to the fence for lovin' and I have nubians. :-)

Danni AckermanMighty Oak Farm Nubian Goatshttp://www.mightyoakfarm.comToday's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

We just got an Alpine wether as a friend for our Boer Meat Goat 4-H project. The Boer is not very friendly to humans, it just barely tolerates us but the Alpine is the sweetest little thing. If I was ever going to get goats for milking I would certainly look into the Alpines. This thing is just like a dog it's so sweet. It's interesting how different the personalities are.We got the goat from the farm we get our goat milk from. They are planning to butcher him in a few months but "loaned" him to us until the Boer goes to fair. I might just have to rescue him from the butcher.

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Danni wrote:

That would be the difference between a bottlefed baby and a dam raised! All of my kids are my children, they are always so excited to see me and come to the fence for lovin' and I have nubians. :-)

Danni,

What a great piece of information! So for next year we should get the kids much younger and bottle feed them. My daughter is heart broken that the Boer is so unfriendly. It doesn't help much that the farm we bought it (the Boer) from has small children who like to rope and chase the kids. If we had only known... this is all a learning process so thank you for the info.

Kirkland

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Yep, I have started them on bottles as late as 4 weeks old and still had them turn out like they started from birth... of course it's a bit harder to train them to the bottle at that point and takes perserverence and patience!! But once they get it ... they get it!

Danni AckermanMighty Oak Farm Nubian Goatshttp://www.mightyoakfarm.comToday's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

Danni wrote:

That would be the difference between a bottlefed baby and a dam raised! All of my kids are my children, they are always so excited to see me and come to the fence for lovin' and I have nubians. :-)

Danni,

What a great piece of information! So for next year we should get the kids much younger and bottle feed them. My daughter is heart broken that the Boer is so unfriendly. It doesn't help much that the farm we bought it (the Boer) from has small children who like to rope and chase the kids. If we had only known... this is all a learning process so thank you for the info.

Kirkland

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Im sorry but I have to disagree. We dam raise our babies and they are wonderful!! We spent a lot of time with them from the second they are born until they are sold. They were very friendly and loving. I love dam raising, no bottles, and all that stuff to worry about.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Natasha , wife to a wonderful husband, mother to Richie 13, Trevor 11, Brenden 8, Gracie 4, And little Ruth 1 year old, 1 black lab, a little yellow lab sent from God, 3 cats, 4 milking does, 1 stinky buck, 4 very loud kids, and last but not least 16 chickens 1 duck and 3 iguanas.For your health as well as your family, friends and animals. www.mannapages.com/brooksranchwww.glycoinformation.com

Danni wrote:

That would be the difference between a bottlefed baby and a dam raised! All of my kids are my children, they are always so excited to see me and come to the fence for lovin' and I have nubians. :-)

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i dam raise most of mine, but the key here is the attention. they respond to that generally unless their temperment is just grumpy. However, a lot of folks who raise goats do NOT pay attention to the dam raised kids, ESP if they are meat breeds because they generally will be going off for slaughter.

www.MajestyFarm.comNorth Garden, Virginia

Re: Alpine goats(was Heidi's goats)

Im sorry but I have to disagree. We dam raise our babies and they are wonderful!! We spent a lot of time with them from the second they are born until they are sold. They were very friendly and loving. I love dam raising, no bottles, and all that stuff to worry about.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Natasha , wife to a wonderful husband, mother to Richie 13, Trevor 11, Brenden 8, Gracie 4, And little Ruth 1 year old, 1 black lab, a little yellow lab sent from God, 3 cats, 4 milking does, 1 stinky buck, 4 very loud kids, and last but not least 16 chickens 1 duck and 3 iguanas.For your health as well as your family, friends and animals. www.mannapages.com/brooksranchwww.glycoinformation.com

Danni wrote:

That would be the difference between a bottlefed baby and a dam raised! All of my kids are my children, they are always so excited to see me and come to the fence for lovin' and I have nubians. :-)

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I agree Danni, except I would change that statement to " that *can*

be the difference between bottlefed and dam-raised. " I have found

that it depends on the dam and how much the kids are handled, but my

dam raised babies are lap-pets as well as my few bottle kids. That

includes my Boers, some are just plain pests!!LOL!! I say it

depends on how friendly/calm their mothers are a great deal. Just

my opinion on it. I like to dam raise mine as I believe it is more

natural and a WHOLE lot less work!!<grin>

Dixon

Ozark Jewels

Boers & Nubians

> That would be the difference between a bottlefed baby and a dam

raised!

> All of my kids are my children, they are always so excited to see

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> come to the fence for lovin' and I have nubians. :-)

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> Danni Ackerman

> Mighty Oak Farm Nubian Goats

> http://www.mightyoakfarm.com <http://www.mightyoakfarm.com/>

> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

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> We just got an Alpine wether as a friend for our Boer Meat Goat 4-

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> project. The Boer is not very friendly to humans, it just barely

> tolerates us but the Alpine is the sweetest little thing. If I was

> ever going to get goats for milking I would certainly look into

the

> Alpines. This thing is just like a dog it's so sweet. It's

> interesting how different the personalities are.

> We got the goat from the farm we get our goat milk from. They are

> planning to butcher him in a few months but " loaned " him to us

until

> the Boer goes to fair. I might just have to rescue him from the

> butcher.

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But I do dam raise some, and yes I give them attention several times a day but they are never like the bottle babies. Do they get friendly, sometimes, but they still seem to have more of a skittish streak to them. Just my personal observations over the years.

Danni AckermanMighty Oak Farm Nubian Goatshttp://www.mightyoakfarm.comToday's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

i dam raise most of mine, but the key here is the attention. they respond to that generally unless their temperment is just grumpy. However, a lot of folks who raise goats do NOT pay attention to the dam raised kids, ESP if they are meat breeds because they generally will be going off for slaughter.

www.MajestyFarm.comNorth Garden, Virginia

Re: Alpine goats(was Heidi's goats)

Im sorry but I have to disagree. We dam raise our babies and they are wonderful!! We spent a lot of time with them from the second they are born until they are sold. They were very friendly and loving. I love dam raising, no bottles, and all that stuff to worry about.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Natasha , wife to a wonderful husband, mother to Richie 13, Trevor 11, Brenden 8, Gracie 4, And little Ruth 1 year old, 1 black lab, a little yellow lab sent from God, 3 cats, 4 milking does, 1 stinky buck, 4 very loud kids, and last but not least 16 chickens 1 duck and 3 iguanas.For your health as well as your family, friends and animals. www.mannapages.com/brooksranchwww.glycoinformation.com

Danni wrote:

That would be the difference between a bottlefed baby and a dam raised! All of my kids are my children, they are always so excited to see me and come to the fence for lovin' and I have nubians. :-)

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My two cents worth(for anyone who cares! lol)...

I have Nigerian Dwarves and dam raise. Of our three babies this year,

one is a wild child(doe), one is fairly affectionate(buck), and one

is the most affectionate goat I've ever known(doe - 100% lap goat).

The dam of the " wild child " is very affectionate and docile. The dam

of the other two is somewhat aloof. All three kids had identical care

and attention. I guess what I'm getting at is like people goats each

have their own personality. So, IMO if you're buying a goat as

a " pet " , be sure to spend time with it before buying it regardless of

dam or bottle raised. That's the only way you'll really know what

personality you're getting.

Blessings,

Kim

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I had two Boers that I got after weaning. They were from a meat growing operation so never handled. We left the horns on them and played with them. They were very friendly and lovable. The dam let us milk her when she had a blocked teat and let us play with her kids. The buck got really big horns and would never butt us.

Amy

Re: Alpine goats(was Heidi's goats)

Im sorry but I have to disagree. We dam raise our babies and they are wonderful!! We spent a lot of time with them from the second they are born until they are sold. They were very friendly and loving. I love dam raising, no bottles, and all that stuff to worry about.

Just my 2 cents worth.

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Kim wrote:

My two cents worth(for anyone who cares! lol)... I CARE! I need to learn as much as I can to help my daughter. I wish we had known all this last year. The goat leader just kept telling us that he would teach us everyhting we needed to know but so far I've learned more in the last two days from this list than we have in the last 2 months. NOt that he hasn't tried... It's just that listening to a bunch of stuff when you don't actually have a goat makes it pretty hard to remember everything.

We are now pretty far behind on everything. We didn't know that you couldn't feed them grass because they get bellies, we have been letting them free range. It will be much better meat but that's not what the judges are looking for I guess.

Thank you very much for all your imput. Next year will be a great year. Maybe I'll let my son raise a dairy goat like he's been asking to. I never knew goats could be pets.

thanks to everyone for their info.

Kirkland

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