The Big Rabies Scam

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That article is abit stretched, you can get rabies vaccinations for under $10 at most vaccine clinics. I have never seen a problem related to the vaccine but have seen a problem with a child being bit by a dog who was not vaccinated... it is a horrible feeling!

As I said, it's your choice NOT to vaccinate but don't commit fraud by stating they were! That really pisses me off. That would be like selling raw milk and telling someone it was pasteurized, would you do that?

Danni AckermanMighty Oak Farm Nubian Goatshttp://www.mightyoakfarm.comToday's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

HREF="http://siriusdog.com/articles/vaccination-scam-myths-laws.htm">THE BIG SCAM--RABIES VACCINATION</A>Please read the above and eductate yourself on Rabies. You'll feel much better if you do.I will protect myself and my dogs by any means that I can, I will see out and drink Raw Dairy - not legal and I will resist all attempts to vaccinate my dogs or myself for anything. My dogs and I want to live.As this is not the forum to discuss vaccinations, if you have any further comments, please write to me personally. irishfox@...Anne BirdVA USAPLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

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I can understand not vaccinating an animal that never ever goes

outdoors but to not vaccinate animals that can contact wild animals I

don't get.

We just had a fox bite a small girl in north Atlanta this spring. It

was trapped and tested positive for rabies.

And I beleive I read about a case of a young girl in New England dying

of rabies. They finally traced it by her sister's story of a wild deer

that approached them that they " played with " .

So is this vet saying that animals that eat exactly what they were

designed to eat never get rabies???

I find that hard to believe....but I haven't read the book either.

I know when I've travelled in 3rd world countries it's a hugh problem

as dogs are never vaxed. Of course most are eating garbage but

still.......

Lynn

> That article is abit stretched, you can get rabies vaccinations for

> under $10 at most vaccine clinics. I have never seen a problem related

> to the vaccine but have seen a problem with a child being bit by a dog

> who was not vaccinated... it is a horrible feeling!

> As I said, it's your choice NOT to vaccinate but don't commit fraud by

> stating they were! That really pisses me off. That would be like

> selling raw milk and telling someone it was pasteurized, would you do

> that?

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> Danni Ackerman

> Mighty Oak Farm Nubian Goats

> http://www.mightyoakfarm.com <http://www.mightyoakfarm.com/>

> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

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> BIG SCAM--RABIES VACCINATION</A>

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> Please read the above and eductate yourself on Rabies. You'll feel much

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> better if you do.

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> I will protect myself and my dogs by any means that I can, I will see

> out and drink Raw Dairy - not legal and I will resist all attempts to

> vaccinate my dogs or myself for anything. My dogs and I want to live.

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> As this is not the forum to discuss vaccinations, if you have any

> further comments, please write to me personally. irishfox@a...

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> Anne Bird

> VA USA

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> PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!

> Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

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http://my.webmd.com/content/article/90/100527.htm

This just happened in July! Rabies is a real threat to humans hence my feeling that the vaccination in dogs is well warranted despite how I feel about vaccines in general.

Danni AckermanMighty Oak Farm Nubian Goatshttp://www.mightyoakfarm.comToday's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

I wrote a long reply to this and since I usually try to avoid OT posts I pitched it, but I keep feeling like I should say something.

I am a very anti-vax person. Pretty much anti-modern medicine as a means to stay healthy. I am grateful it is there when we need it but do not believe we need to rely on it to stay well. However, if someone were to get bit by a wild OR domestic animal that couldn’t be caught and quarantined and the pet had no rabies shot the owner would be the reason that someone would have to go through the rabies vaccines AND the immune globulin shot. Here in MA the immune globulin is given as individual injections based on weight. I think adults would get 5 plus the first rabies shot.

I know for myself I couldn’t live with the fact that I had caused someone or their child to go through this. Most people believe whole-heartedly in vaccines and would go with the CDC/board of health/doctor recommendation for the shots since rabies is almost always (or always) fatal.

I know nearly first hand how awful this experience is since my boys had a bat in their room overnight-door closed and after agonizing over the decision we went with the shots. The boys are full of scrapes and bug bites from being outside so much and there was no way to tell if one of those marks was or was not caused by a bat. Most cases of rabies in humans are from bats.

I do agree that we over vaccinate ourselves and our pets but in the case of rabies and the mainstream mindset I will get our new pup the rabies vax. I would never want to be the cause of someone else having to go through these shots. My 11yo has been suffering from aching muscles and joints that may take months to subside and who knows what the long term effects can or will be from the shots. It was a lesser of two evils choice that I would hope no one would ever have to make.

PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

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I know when I've travelled in 3rd world countries it's a hugh problemas dogs are never vaxed. Of course most are eating garbage butstill.......Many children are never vaccinated either in third world countries and they die horrible deaths from diseases that could have been prevented if vaccinations had been available. In the United States we have just about eradicated most childhood diseases because the mass has vaccinated... Wonder how many children we would have lost if rigid vaccination programs had not been implemented?

want to read something really scarey.. read this http://www.mass.gov/dph/media/1998/pr1117.htm

http://www.foodsafetynetwork.ca/food/rawmilkoutbreaksummary.pdf

and here's an interesting twist on raw milk

http://www.cgfi.org/materials/articles/2002/jul_9_02.htm

charlene

Re: The Big Rabies Scam

I can understand not vaccinating an animal that never ever goesoutdoors but to not vaccinate animals that can contact wild animals Idon't get.We just had a fox bite a small girl in north Atlanta this spring. Itwas trapped and tested positive for rabies.And I beleive I read about a case of a young girl in New England dyingof rabies. They finally traced it by her sister's story of a wild deerthat approached them that they "played with".So is this vet saying that animals that eat exactly what they weredesigned to eat never get rabies???I find that hard to believe....but I haven't read the book either.I know when I've travelled in 3rd world countries it's a hugh problemas dogs are never vaxed. Of course most are eating garbage butstill.......Lynn

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So anyone know if it's transmitted via raw milk? Sounds like it's

nerves only.

I'm also wondering in terms of eating raw meats.

Lynn

> http://my.webmd.com/content/article/90/100527.htm

>

> This just happened in July! Rabies is a real threat to humans hence my

> feeling that the vaccination in dogs is well warranted despite how I

> feel about vaccines in general.

>

> Danni Ackerman

> Mighty Oak Farm Nubian Goats

> http://www.mightyoakfarm.com <http://www.mightyoakfarm.com/>

> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

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> I wrote a long reply to this and since I usually try to avoid OT posts I

> pitched it, but I keep feeling like I should say something.

>

> I am a very anti-vax person. Pretty much anti-modern medicine as a

> means to stay healthy. I am grateful it is there when we need it but do

> not believe we need to rely on it to stay well. However, if someone

> were to get bit by a wild OR domestic animal that couldn't be caught and

> quarantined and the pet had no rabies shot the owner would be the reason

> that someone would have to go through the rabies vaccines AND the immune

> globulin shot. Here in MA the immune globulin is given as individual

> injections based on weight. I think adults would get 5 plus the first

> rabies shot.

>

> I know for myself I couldn't live with the fact that I had caused

> someone or their child to go through this. Most people believe

> whole-heartedly in vaccines and would go with the CDC/board of

> health/doctor recommendation for the shots since rabies is almost always

> (or always) fatal.

>

> I know nearly first hand how awful this experience is since my boys had

> a bat in their room overnight-door closed and after agonizing over the

> decision we went with the shots. The boys are full of scrapes and bug

> bites from being outside so much and there was no way to tell if one of

> those marks was or was not caused by a bat. Most cases of rabies in

> humans are from bats.

>

> I do agree that we over vaccinate ourselves and our pets but in the case

> of rabies and the mainstream mindset I will get our new pup the rabies

> vax. I would never want to be the cause of someone else having to go

> through these shots. My 11yo has been suffering from aching muscles

> and joints that may take months to subside and who knows what the long

> term effects can or will be from the shots. It was a lesser of two

> evils choice that I would hope no one would ever have to make.

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> PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!

> Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

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I checked out the pdf below, what I saw was quite hilarious. People "ate" raw milk? Maybe that's why they got sick? All kidding aside, try going to any one of the links they provide for Source/refs. The ones I tried turned up no page found (since the links don't work directly they must be typed in manually). The most amazing part though, was the very end of the document where it broke down the number of outbreaks and cases. This graph shows in a period of 19 years (1973-1992) there were 1,733 supposed cases of illness related to raw dairy consumption - that's a whole 91 cases a year!

I'm attaching a copy of the "Outbreak Report" for the years 1990-2002 (interesting reading if you have the time). On page 22, on the right hand side, you will see a graph for dairy products (apparently processed because it doesn't say otherwise). During this 12 year time span there were 3,385 cases of illness related to dairy products- that's a whopping 282 per year!!!

As for the link for http://www.cgfi.org/materials/articles/2002/jul_9_02.htm - we know Tim Wightman personally. He and Gleta are the ones that got us started on this "adventure of a lifetime". All I can say is "hogwash". This was one of the biggest scams to ever happen in the state of Wisconsin. We still have hundreds of pages of emails in our possession that prove what was done to accomplish this mass media wash out. People will believe Anything if they hear it often enough and long enough.

I won't get into the vaccination issue here - I'm much too passionate about it. Having many customers that have children dealing with "side effects" of vaccines is enough to break anyone's heart - especially when one of those children is my own granddaughter! Rigid vaccination programs came along too late - after the epidemics were already on the downswing! The facts and figures are there! That's all I'm saying!!!!

I'm done ranting now - and out to do my Sunday evening chores.

Janet

Re: Re: The Big Rabies Scam

I know when I've travelled in 3rd world countries it's a hugh problemas dogs are never vaxed. Of course most are eating garbage butstill.......Many children are never vaccinated either in third world countries and they die horrible deaths from diseases that could have been prevented if vaccinations had been available. In the United States we have just about eradicated most childhood diseases because the mass has vaccinated... Wonder how many children we would have lost if rigid vaccination programs had not been implemented?

want to read something really scarey.. read this http://www.mass.gov/dph/media/1998/pr1117.htm

http://www.foodsafetynetwork.ca/food/rawmilkoutbreaksummary.pdf

and here's an interesting twist on raw milk

http://www.cgfi.org/materials/articles/2002/jul_9_02.htm

charlene

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The huge decline in infectious (bacterial and viral) diseases occurred

well before the invention of antibiotics and vaccinies. By the time

antibiotics and vaccines came out around 90% or more of the decline had

already occured, and based on the velocity of the graphs it seems likely

that the final decline would have probably occurred without antibiotics

and vaccines. The bigger issue is do vaccines really work that

effectively in the first place? There is no evidence that they are a

panacea. At best they are a mixed blessing. Blaming deaths from

infectious disease in third world countries on lack of vaccines just

covers up the bigger problems, such as unclean/toxic water and poor

nutrition, which take a lot more effort, resources, and shifts of

political power to change. I would argue that lack of good food is a more

important factor than lack of vaccines (and western medical care) is the

etiology of infectious disease in third world countries. The great

decline in infectious diseases in industrialized western nations is more

strongly correlated with the spread of the railroad than anything else,

which suggests that nutrition(access to fresh unprocessed animal and plant

foods) was probably the key factor. I'm sure many are aware that there is

much evidence showing that vaccines often cause the diseases they are

supposed to prevent, or they may create an entirly new disease

altogether. The 1918 flu pandemic is highly correlated with mass

vaccination programs (nomorefakenews.com). The other thing is that rabies

is NOT always fatal in dogs

(http://www.canids.org/PUBLICAT/AWDACTPL/appdx1.htm). The immune system

has a role in every illness. To tie this into raw dairy I will say that

high quality raw dairy (or other raw animal food) may help a carnivore-

omnivore animal like a dog or human more than a vaccine in warding off a

virus-associated disease.

Quoting charlene :

> I know when I've travelled in 3rd world countries it's a hugh problem

> as dogs are never vaxed. Of course most are eating garbage but

> still.......

> Many children are never vaccinated either in third world countries and

> they die horrible deaths from diseases that could have been prevented if

> vaccinations had been available. In the United States we have just about

> eradicated most childhood diseases because the mass has vaccinated...

> Wonder how many children we would have lost if rigid vaccination programs

> had not been implemented?

> want to read something really scarey.. read this

> http://www.mass.gov/dph/media/1998/pr1117.htm

>

> http://www.foodsafetynetwork.ca/food/rawmilkoutbreaksummary.pdf

> and here's an interesting twist on raw milk

> http://www.cgfi.org/materials/articles/2002/jul_9_02.htm

>

> charlene

>

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Thank you - you said what I only hoped I could put into words!

Janet

The huge decline in infectious (bacterial and viral) diseases occurred well before the invention of antibiotics and vaccinies. By the time antibiotics and vaccines came out around 90% or more of the decline had already occured,

[Guest guest]

Thank you Janet for sending those additional links for my information

library.

I also appreciate very much the links to the dangers of

pasterized/homogenized milk that you sent a while back. I went to them

all, read and printed out all for my sister. I printed so much of it,

it turned out to fill a large manila envelope that I mailed to my

sister...she doesn't do e-mail..LOL.

Anyway, the written word turned the tide and now she will be seeking out

RAW milk...get ready , I believe that she will be contacting you

for cow share as soon as a friend of hers comes to visit tomorrow..who

is already a cow share customer of yours. Won't mention names at this time.

My sister thinks though that she would prefer goat share.

Thanks again to you Janet and all who share your knowledge so generously.

Anne

VA USA

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Charlene,

In regard to this post:

want to read something really scarey.. read this

http://www.mass.gov/dph/media/1998/pr1117.htm

I'M NOT SCARED!

http://www.foodsafetynetwork.ca/food/rawmilkoutbreaksummary.pdf

and here's an interesting twist on raw milk

http://www.cgfi.org/materials/articles/2002/jul_9_02.htm

....and I'll tell you why. Because as long as the government has

control over an industry that is a large aspect of our economic

stability and the truth is a detriment to contributing special

interest groups, there will always be disinformation and sabotage.

Mr. Avery writes that Farmed Salmon is safe despite warnings by the

EPA. As he states, if it is not purchased it could have a

devastating affect on the industry. His interest is not in global

food safety, but rather global food ECOMONIC safety. It is obvious

he is not truly interested in the health of the human race. Raw milk

is not good for the economy plain and simple. It is a food that is

natural. As long as there is no pasteurization and no regulation

there is no money in it for the government. Mr. Avery is one writer

who's information is solely for the purpose of manipulation. I

recommend not posting his garbage on such a classy newsgroup.