RE: Re: Lead Exposure- Some perspective

[Guest guest]

A number of years ago, Germany decided to study the issue of lead

exposure in detail. What they did is analyze all the sources of lead

intake, not just this paint issue.

Interestingly, Germany outlawed lead in paints in 1860. Yes, well

over 100 years ago. Lead toxicity was not anything new in Europe. It

is noted in numerous medical journal going back hundreds of years.

What the German research showed is that lead exposure is a very complex

phenomena. Lead comes from brass water faucets, food, especially

fresh vegetables and from the air. It comes from coal burning.

The United States has never done a comprehensive study of lead exposure

sources. Rather, they point fingers at lead paint. If one studies

the incidence of lead poisoning, less than have the cases are

explained by lead paint exposure. And of those associated with

paint, they were in poverty and had food shortage. Yes, the safety net

does not work.

The point being is that lead paint on woodwork is only one potential

factor in lead exposure. As other experts on this list have pointed

out. Food and herbal medications can be significant sources of lead

exposure.

Here's an interesting example. If you eat a grapefruit and take herbal

supplements at the same time, it can double the amount of lead and

other chemical absorbtion. There is a significant problem in

Florida with drug overdoses due to eating grapefruit while taking

normal drug doses.

If one has a lead bioburden problem and you don't eat paint chips for a

snack, you need to look elsewhere for your source of lead exposure.

BOB

[Guest guest]

Well, in this case myself and a friend were dry sanding lead based paint in my home with my central fan running, etc and we did 10 windows and 7 doors so I think in 'my' case it makes sense that it is from paint. Bob s wrote:

A number of years ago, Germany decided to study the issue of lead exposure in detail. What they did is analyze all the sources of lead intake, not just this paint issue.Interestingly, Germany outlawed lead in paints in 1860. Yes, well over 100 years ago. Lead toxicity was not anything new in Europe. It is noted in numerous medical journal going back hundreds of years.__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Barb,

Lead is a cumulative poison, Unless one ingests a significant

quantity, it is difficult to raise the total body burden level that

quickly. Generally, lead exposure cases evolve over time rather than

from a single event.

Sanding 10 windows in one day probably added to your existing lead

level. The question is where did your other lead exposures come from?

BOB

[Guest guest]

I see. I will be seeing doctor tomorrow and she may have some advice.

Is there such a thing as someone who comes to your home and tests lead in the air??? As I look around paint is in need of some attention downstairs also, perhaps a constant disintegration of the paint is putting it into air. I am going to test water but I don't drink tap water very often. I take bath in it though.

Maybe someone is trying to poison me and is slipping it into my food when I'm not looking.Bob s wrote:

Barb,Lead is a cumulative poison, Unless one ingests a significant quantity, it is difficult to raise the total body burden level that quickly. Generally, lead exposure cases evolve over time rather than from a single event.Sanding 10 windows in one day probably added to your existing lead level. The question is where did your other lead exposures come from?BOB__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Bob,

Is your comment about a " significant quantity " meant for adults, not

children whose neurological systems are in early development. it is my

understanding that a very small amount of lead can produce perminent

neurological damage, loss of IQ points among other problems in children.

Steve

Re: Re: Lead Exposure- Some perspective

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>

> Barb,

>

> Lead is a cumulative poison, Unless one ingests a significant

> quantity, it is difficult to raise the total body burden level that

> quickly. Generally, lead exposure cases evolve over time rather than

> from a single event.

>

> Sanding 10 windows in one day probably added to your existing lead

> level. The question is where did your other lead exposures come from?

>

> BOB

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Steve,

the study claiming the 25 µg/ml of blood for children was based on

testing children of and early grade school age. It was assumed that

there was no racial bias on the IQ tests (which we know is a problem).

The results were minimally statistically significant.

No studies in any other country have duplicated this finding.

Again, this was a blood lead level that occurred after 6-7 years.

Did the lead exposure occur during pregnancy or the 1st year (where

neurological development is very rapid? This would assume that the

mother was transferring lead through the placenta or that breast milk

contained lead. Neither of these were proven. During the 1 st year,

if children are not breast fed (as they should be), they would be

consuming baby food which has very strict lead levels.

Therefore, one has to assume the lead exposure occurred after the 1 st

year. What happened then? Candy bars?

Faucet water? Eating paint chips? The excretion rate of lead

intake is something close to 80%. Clearly, there is something in the

American diet that contains lead.

That is why we need to look at the bigger picture, like Germany did and

not just point a finger at lead paint.

BOB

[Guest guest]

Barb,

Do you drink bottled water? There are virtually no standards for

bottled water. It does not even have to meet EPA potable water

standards.

There is so much bacteria in bottled water that it is not recommended

for immuno compromised people!

BOB

[Guest guest]

I drink bottled spring water from Canada. I get it wholesale. I plan to test it for lead now. I waiting for test kit to arrive in mail. A free one I had coupon for from doing some mold tests in house. Perhaps I should do other tests on it also. It tastes so much better than the Brita filtered tap water I used to drink and I figure there is less pollution in Canadian waters. Bob s wrote:

Barb,Do you drink bottled water? There are virtually no standards for bottled water. It does not even have to meet EPA potable water standards.There is so much bacteria in bottled water that it is not recommended for immuno compromised people!BOB

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Barb wrote:

> I see. I will be seeing doctor tomorrow and she may have some advice.

> Is there such a thing as someone who comes to your home and tests lead

> in the air??? As I look around paint is in need of some attention

> downstairs also, perhaps a constant disintegration of the paint is

> putting it into air. I am going to test water but I don't drink tap

> water very often. I take bath in it though.

> Maybe someone is trying to poison me and is slipping it into my food

> when I'm not looking.

Hi Barb!

An Industrial Hygienist (IH) can sample the air, however unless you are

actively disturbing lead-based paint, etc., it is doubtful that any

levels would be detected as lead dust settles onto surfaces very quickly

(about 90% of it in an hour). So even as an IH, I'd not recommend air

sampling (unless you want to know how much you get when you dry sand,

etc. (but don't dry sand obviously). Good luck!

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Bob,

No doubt there is a " bigger picture " that contributes to lead poisoning

among children, and includes some home remedies, imported candies, imported

toys and dishwear, lead dust from paint, lead in soil, nutritional issues,

industrial contaminations and more. Depending on where you come from --

public health officials are finding high levels of lead poisoning among

immigrant population -- and where you live, the sources of lead poisoning

vary. In the United States, lead from paint is likely at the top of the

list, and the amount of lead that causes elevated blood levels and

poisoning amoung thousands of children of all races, economic groups, rural

or urban can be very small -- about the size of your thumb nail. We must not

use the " bigger picture " to obscure the issue that lead poisoning remains

the single greatest desease amont children in the United States that is

totally preventable. In stead, we must be as proactive as possible in

eliminating childhood lead poisoning through health-based, housing-based and

environmental-based strategies.

Steve

Re: Re: Lead Exposure- Some perspective

Steve,

the study claiming the 25 µg/ml of blood for children was based on

testing children of and early grade school age. It was assumed that

there was no racial bias on the IQ tests (which we know is a problem).

The results were minimally statistically significant.

No studies in any other country have duplicated this finding.

Again, this was a blood lead level that occurred after 6-7 years.

Did the lead exposure occur during pregnancy or the 1st year (where

neurological development is very rapid? This would assume that the

mother was transferring lead through the placenta or that breast milk

contained lead. Neither of these were proven. During the 1 st year,

if children are not breast fed (as they should be), they would be

consuming baby food which has very strict lead levels.

Therefore, one has to assume the lead exposure occurred after the 1 st

year. What happened then? Candy bars?

Faucet water? Eating paint chips? The excretion rate of lead

intake is something close to 80%. Clearly, there is something in the

American diet that contains lead.

That is why we need to look at the bigger picture, like Germany did and

not just point a finger at lead paint.

BOB

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[Guest guest]

The dust left behind is the greatest

issue, especially for those crawling around on the floor and putting their

hands in their mouths.  Lead is heavy and

does not stay airborne very long. 

Mark Doughty

Re: Re: Lead

Exposure- Some perspective

Barb,

Lead is a cumulative poison, Unless one

ingests a significant

quantity, it is difficult to raise the total body

burden level that

quickly. Generally, lead

exposure cases evolve over time rather than

from a single event.

Sanding 10 windows in one day probably added to

your existing lead

level. The question is where did your other

lead exposures come from?

BOB

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Lead in air is not your problem.  Go to http://www.epa.gov/lead

and look for information about lead-safe work practices.

Mark Doughty

Re: Re: Lead

Exposure- Some perspective

I see. I will be seeing doctor tomorrow and she

may have some advice.

Is there such a thing as someone who comes to your

home and tests lead in the air??? As I look around paint is in need of

some attention downstairs also, perhaps a constant disintegration of the paint

is putting it into air. I am going to test water but I don't drink tap

water very often. I take bath in it though.

Maybe someone is trying to poison me and is slipping

it into my food when I'm not looking.

Bob s

wrote:

Barb,

Lead is a cumulative poison, Unless one ingests a significant

quantity, it is difficult to raise the total body burden level that

quickly. Generally, lead exposure cases evolve over time rather than

from a single event.

Sanding 10 windows in one day probably added to your existing lead

level. The question is where did your other lead exposures come from?

BOB

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Barb,

I have a concern that I do not believe has been mentioned and that is vacuuming (if I have missed it, I apologize). It sounds as if there is still plenty of old paint exposed that is deteriorating in addition to the dust that may still be present in carpets, etc. from the previous sanding marathon. Can you rub you hand on the old paint and get a chalky residue off? If so, lead dust in your house is being continually renewed.

A regular vacuum cleaner would make the settled dust become airborne. One with a HEPA filter would at least be more efficient at trapping the lead dust. Be sure to wet dust hard surfaces in your house.

And drinking water has been mentioned as another route of exposure. Some of the recommendations I have seen in the past are to be sure to let water run for 15-30 seconds before using it to drink or prepare food if you have lead water pipes. Here is an EPA link about lead in drinking water and flushing, etc. There are several fact sheets that may be useful to you.

http://www.epa.gov/safewater/lead/index.html

Pamela A. Boatright, Coordinator

Oklahoma State Regents for Higher Education

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PO Box 108850

Oklahoma City, OK 73101-8850

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[Guest guest]

Barb,

Try using a HVS3 vacuum to collect your

dust samples off of floor surfaces.

RE: Re: Lead

Exposure- Some perspective

Barb,

I have a concern that I

do not believe has been mentioned and that is vacuuming (if I have missed it, I

apologize). It sounds as if there is still plenty of old paint exposed

that is deteriorating in addition to the dust that may still be present in

carpets, etc. from the previous sanding marathon. Can you rub you hand on

the old paint and get a chalky residue off? If so, lead dust in your

house is being continually renewed.

A regular vacuum cleaner

would make the settled dust become airborne. One with a

HEPA filter would at least be more efficient at trapping the lead dust.

Be sure to wet dust hard surfaces in your house.

And drinking water has

been mentioned as another route of exposure. Some of the recommendations

I have seen in the past are to be sure to let water run for 15-30 seconds

before using it to drink or prepare food if you have lead water pipes.

Here is an EPA link about lead in drinking water and flushing, etc. There

are several fact sheets that may be useful to you.

http://www.epa.gov/safewater/lead/index.html

Pamela A. Boatright, Coordinator

Oklahoma State Regents for Higher

Education

System Safety, Health and

Envir. Resource Center

655 Research Parkway, Suite 200

PO Box 108850

Oklahoma City, OK 73101-8850

405/225-9458

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My doctor today said it is accumulative and that I could be getting it from the air as airplanes still use lead gas and I live near Lunken Airport, where small planes come in. I don't notice a lot of air traffic though but I don't pay much attention. Near a small airport you don't have a noise problem like with major airports. She also suggested I do test on my water and in general said old houses have lots of places where lead can be. Klane wrote:

Hi Barb!An Industrial Hygienist (IH) can sample the air, however unless you are actively disturbing lead-based paint, etc., it is doubtful that any levels would be detected as lead dust settles onto surfaces very quickly (about 90% of it in an hour). So even as an IH, I'd not recommend air sampling (unless you want to know how much you get when you dry sand, etc. (but don't dry sand obviously). Good luck! Klane, M.S.Ed., CIH, CHMM, CETKlane's Education Information Training Hub"Take a step in the right direction"93 Norridgewock RoadFairfield, Maine 04937-3116207-453-KEITH (5348)Fax: 0304@...__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

,

What is that, like a hepa??

Thanks,

Barb White wrote:

Barb,

Try using a HVS3 vacuum to collect your dust samples off of floor surfaces.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Barb,

Much of what is out there about lead paint is myth. For starters,

white lead (basic lead carbonate) pigment is NOT sweet, nor is anything

painted with this pigment sweet. (I have tasted, but not swallowed many

chips!)

There is a compound called " sugar of lead " (lead acetate) that was added

in very small quantities to linseed oil paints to hasten the " drying "

(hardening) and it has a sweet taste (but not enough to make the dried

paint sweet).

This, no doubt is how the myth arose, compounded by the ridiculous idea

that poor children became poisoned by chewing on windows because they

were hungry and attracted to the sweet taste.

Most of the childhood lead poisoning is from lead dust in carpets and

house dust, some of which comes into homes from lead-laden soils around

old houses. (Eating a chip of lead paint is probably not even that

dangerous, since all the lead is encapsulated in polymer and hence not

available to be solubilized; fine, dust-sized particles of lead paint,

from friction and weathering of paint films on the other hand, have far

more surface area and can be dissolved in stomach acid, and available

for absorption.)

Lots of the dust comes into homes from paint contractors who cover the

shrubs with a drop cloth on Monday to protect the plantings from paint

and chips (for cosmetic purposes!) and then on Tuesday throw the same

drop cloth on the sofa or carpet to protect the furniture from paint

spatters.

May

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[Guest guest]

Hi Jeff,

I bought your book, "Mold Survival Guide". I belong to a mold group that told me to watch the Jane ey show you were on.

Thanks for your information. I should also check to see if there is lead paint on exterior of house just so I know when I have to deal with the outside.

I'm having some health problems and investigating everything.

BarbJeff May wrote:

Much of what is out there about lead paint is myth. For starters,white lead (basic lead carbonate) pigment is NOT sweet, nor is anythingpainted with this pigment sweet. (I have tasted, but not swallowed manychips!)There is a compound called "sugar of lead" (lead acetate) that was addedin very small quantities to linseed oil paints to hasten the "drying"(hardening) and it has a sweet taste (but not enough to make the driedpaint sweet).This, no doubt is how the myth arose, compounded by the ridiculous ideathat poor children became poisoned by chewing on windows because theywere hungry and attracted to the sweet taste.Most of the childhood lead poisoning is from lead dust in carpets andhouse dust, some of which comes into homes from lead-laden soils aroundold houses. (Eating a chip of lead paint is probably not even

thatdangerous, since all the lead is encapsulated in polymer and hence notavailable to be solubilized; fine, dust-sized particles of lead paint,from friction and weathering of paint films on the other hand, have farmore surface area and can be dissolved in stomach acid, and availablefor absorption.)Lots of the dust comes into homes from paint contractors who cover theshrubs with a drop cloth on Monday to protect the plantings from paintand chips (for cosmetic purposes!) and then on Tuesday throw the samedrop cloth on the sofa or carpet to protect the furniture from paintspatters. May"My House is Killing Me!"

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[Guest guest]

,

Great

information, but I have to ask about the myth of poor children sucking windows!

I was that kid in post war London,

I can remember sucking the windows and for years wondered why I did it. I also

used to suck the hand rail on the back of bus seats, another disgusting habit which

I don’t have explanation for.

Dirty little sod I know, but you have possibly

unlocked a mystery of why! Thanks ,

Someone in London

JC

From:

Jeff May

Sent: 03 March 2005 23:19

To: iequality

Subject: Re: Re: Lead

Exposure- Some perspective

Barb,

Much of what is out there about lead paint is

myth. For starters,

white lead (basic lead carbonate) pigment is NOT

sweet, nor is anything

painted with this pigment sweet. (I have tasted,

but not swallowed many

chips!)

There is a compound called " sugar of

lead " (lead acetate) that was added

in very small quantities to linseed oil paints to

hasten the " drying "

(hardening) and it has a sweet taste (but not

enough to make the dried

paint sweet).

This, no doubt is how the myth arose, compounded

by the ridiculous idea

that poor children became poisoned by chewing on

windows because they

were hungry and attracted to the sweet

taste.

Most of the childhood lead poisoning is from lead

dust in carpets and

house dust, some of which comes into homes from

lead-laden soils around

old houses. (Eating a chip of lead paint is

probably not even that

dangerous, since all the lead is encapsulated in

polymer and hence not

available to be solubilized; fine, dust-sized

particles of lead paint,

from friction and weathering of paint films on the

other hand, have far

more surface area and can be dissolved in stomach

acid, and available

for absorption.)

Lots of the dust comes into homes from paint

contractors who cover the

shrubs with a drop cloth on Monday to protect the

plantings from paint

and chips (for cosmetic purposes!) and then on

Tuesday throw the same

drop cloth on the sofa or carpet to protect the

furniture from paint

spatters.

May

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Lead was added to wine to permit formation of lead acetate to make it

sweet however.

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Re: Re: Lead Exposure- Some perspective

Barb,

Much of what is out there about lead paint is myth. For starters, white

lead (basic lead carbonate) pigment is NOT sweet, nor is anything

painted with this pigment sweet. (I have tasted, but not swallowed many

chips!)

There is a compound called " sugar of lead " (lead acetate) that was added

in very small quantities to linseed oil paints to hasten the " drying "

(hardening) and it has a sweet taste (but not enough to make the dried

paint sweet).

This, no doubt is how the myth arose, compounded by the ridiculous idea

that poor children became poisoned by chewing on windows because they

were hungry and attracted to the sweet taste.

Most of the childhood lead poisoning is from lead dust in carpets and

house dust, some of which comes into homes from lead-laden soils around

old houses. (Eating a chip of lead paint is probably not even that

dangerous, since all the lead is encapsulated in polymer and hence not

available to be solubilized; fine, dust-sized particles of lead paint,

from friction and weathering of paint films on the other hand, have far

more surface area and can be dissolved in stomach acid, and available

for absorption.)

Lots of the dust comes into homes from paint contractors who cover the

shrubs with a drop cloth on Monday to protect the plantings from paint

and chips (for cosmetic purposes!) and then on Tuesday throw the same

drop cloth on the sofa or carpet to protect the furniture from paint

spatters.

May

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Barb,

Lead in air is regulated as one of the six "criteria pollutants" monitored across the nation. Yes, 100 octane aviation fuel does contain some lead, but the amount is extremely small. Factor in the dilution in air that would occur at even a busy general aviation airport and the concentrations quickly drop off the chart.

You're getting information from so many sources, it must be difficult to determine what to believe. For what it's worth, you may find your answers easier by keeping in mind "If you hear hoofbeats, look for horses not zebras."

Curtis Redington, RS

Environmental Quality Specialist

City of Wichita Dept. of Environmental Health

Wichita, KS

-----Original Message-----From: Barb Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:04 PMTo: iequality Subject: Re: Re: Lead Exposure- Some perspective

My doctor today said it is accumulative and that I could be getting it from the air as airplanes still use lead gas and I live near Lunken Airport, where small planes come in. I don't notice a lot of air traffic though but I don't pay much attention. Near a small airport you don't have a noise problem like with major airports. She also suggested I do test on my water and in general said old houses have lots of places where lead can be. Klane wrote: Hi Barb!An Industrial Hygienist (IH) can sample the air, however unless you are actively disturbing lead-based paint, etc., it is doubtful that any levels would be detected as lead dust settles onto surfaces very quickly (about 90% of it in an hour). So even as an IH, I'd not recommend air sampling (unless you want to know how much you get when you dry sand, etc. (but don't dry sand obviously). Good luck! Klane, M.S.Ed., CIH, CHMM, CETKlane's Education Information Training Hub"Take a step in the right direction"93 Norridgewock RoadFairfield, Maine 04937-3116207-453-KEITH (5348)Fax: 0304@...

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Barb,

Every state has some type of lead-based

paint program in place, either by the state themselves (36 of 50, I think) or

the EPA (the remaining).  You should find

someone that is an accredited risk assessor and have them do an EBL risk

assessment on the subject property and places frequented by the family.  Contact the state department of health (or equivalent)

for a listing.  Check out their

references and go from there.  Many of us

have seen a huge variety of potential situations and for us, sight unseen, to

provide meaningful insight to you could waste a lot of time.  Your source could be any of the things that

have been mentioned, although, please remember, lead is heavy and should not be

far from the source.  Having said that,

lead dust could be tracked throughout the dwelling and once in a dust form is more

difficult to control.

Mark Doughty

Re: Re: Lead

Exposure- Some perspective

My doctor today said it is accumulative and that

I could be getting it from the air as airplanes still use lead gas and I live

near Lunken Airport, where small planes come in. I don't notice a lot of

air traffic though but I don't pay much attention. Near a small airport

you don't have a noise problem like with major airports. She also

suggested I do test on my water and in general said old houses have lots of

places where lead can be.

Klane

wrote:

Hi Barb!

An Industrial Hygienist (IH) can sample the air, however unless you are

actively disturbing lead-based paint, etc., it is doubtful that any

levels would be detected as lead dust settles onto surfaces very quickly

(about 90% of it in an hour). So even as an IH, I'd not recommend air

sampling (unless you want to know how much you get when you dry sand,

etc. (but don't dry sand obviously). Good luck!

Klane, M.S.Ed., CIH, CHMM, CET

Klane's Education Information Training Hub

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93 Norridgewock Road

Fairfield, Maine 04937-3116

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Redington, Curtis wrote:

> Barb,

>

> Lead in air is regulated as one of the six " criteria pollutants "

> monitored across the nation. Yes, 100 octane aviation fuel does

> contain some lead, but the amount is extremely small. Factor in the

> dilution in air that would occur at even a busy general aviation

> airport and the concentrations quickly drop off the chart.

>

> You're getting information from so many sources, it must be difficult

> to determine what to believe. For what it's worth, you may find your

> answers easier by keeping in mind " If you hear hoofbeats, look for

> horses not zebras. "

>

Hi Barb!

I agree with Curtis's comments above. I too would be concerned that you

are trying to digest, evaluate, and act on this info from so many

diverse sources alone. You might find it helpful to have someone local

to help you sort it out and to do the evaluation of your home. I'd get

in touch with your state Lead regulator (often the DEP or similar

agency) and find a good Lead Risk Assessor in your area to help you

figure it out. This is what they are trained and experienced in. Good

luck!

Klane, M.S.Ed., CIH, CHMM, CET

Klane's Education Information Training Hub

" Take a step in the right direction "

93 Norridgewock Road

Fairfield, Maine 04937-3116

207-453-KEITH (5348)

Fax:

0304@...

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The highest levels of lead that I have seen recently are in buildings near highways or heavily used city streets. the lead residue from gasoline engines will be there and stirred up for a LONG time.

Sherryl Schultz

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The airport across the river from me is very lightly travelled so I am not considering that a big source. It must be around the house somewhere. Thanks for everyone's input. I will keep woodwork in good condition, washed down and dusted while I look into whether there are other are other sources around here. I have to test the bottled water I buy and tap water and other things."Redington, Curtis" wrote:

Barb,

Lead in air is regulated as one of the six "criteria pollutants" monitored across the nation. Yes, 100 octane aviation fuel does contain some lead, but the amount is extremely small. Factor in the dilution in air that would occur at even a busy general aviation airport and the concentrations quickly drop off the chart.

You're getting information from so many sources, it must be difficult to determine what to believe. For what it's worth, you may find your answers easier by keeping in mind "If you hear hoofbeats, look for horses not zebras."

Curtis Redington, RS

Environmental Quality Specialist

City of Wichita Dept. of Environmental Health

Wichita, KS

-----Original Message-----From: Barb Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:04 PMTo: iequality Subject: Re: Re: Lead Exposure- Some perspective

My doctor today said it is accumulative and that I could be getting it from the air as airplanes still use lead gas and I live near Lunken Airport, where small planes come in. I don't notice a lot of air traffic though but I don't pay much attention. Near a small airport you don't have a noise problem like with major airports. She also suggested I do test on my water and in general said old houses have lots of places where lead can be. Klane wrote: Hi Barb!An Industrial Hygienist (IH) can sample the air, however unless you are actively disturbing lead-based paint, etc., it is doubtful that any levels would be detected as lead dust settles onto surfaces very quickly (about 90% of it in an hour). So even as an IH, I'd not recommend air sampling (unless you want to know how much you get when you dry sand, etc. (but don't dry sand obviously). Good luck! Klane, M.S.Ed., CIH, CHMM, CETKlane's Education Information Training Hub"Take a step in the right direction"93 Norridgewock RoadFairfield, Maine 04937-3116207-453-KEITH (5348)Fax: 0304@...

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