Re: Elementary School Cafeteria Sanitizer

[Guest guest]

Jon,

Considering your knowledge of chemistry and support of photohydroionization (PHI) technology, I have some questions I hope you can answer:

Don't the longer-chain hydrocarbons require more residence time in the PHI device than the shorter HC molecules? How do you know that complete oxidation to CO2 and H2O is occurring?

Aren't the oxidation products of the hydrocarbons typically more reactive and therefore more harmful to human health (and content items)-- particularly the low molecular weight carbonyl compounds (aldehydes and ketones)?

In order for any air purification device in an occupied space to work, aren't the occupants already being exposed to what the device is removing (as well as producing)?

If you have MVOCs and chlorinated solvents in an indoor environment wouldn't source elimination be a far better approach than PHI, or do you only use it for remediation of an unoccupied space?

If I were to install HEPA filtration with the same number of air changes rather than UV technology, why would it be less effective in removing microbial contaminants?

Thanks,

Steve Temes

I have asked this group to comment on the technology of Germicidal UV -C and Photohydroionization (PHI) in the past. I strongly support the technology. And Yes I agree that the technology can provide some relief to many that suffer from chemical, bacterial and, virus exposure sensitivities. In some fashion, we all do.

I have a background in analytical chemistry. I have conducted numerous field tests on this technology and its affect on Indoor Air Quality. I have studied the reduction of Microbial Volatile Organics and Chlorinated solvents using Summa Canisters. Mold spores, dander,skin. Tested! I have tested for specific Bacteria and Virus in both treated and non treated environments utilizing swabs and particulate filters. I have monitored Ozone output, and numerous other chemicals for exposure levels. All of this before I installed it in my own home. All of my tests have provided positive results.

[Guest guest]

The report is 10 - 11 years old, but provides some interesting UV information from the CDC.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00035909.htm

RE: Elementary School Cafeteria Sanitizer

Joe Schulman,

Well said. Thanks for your clarification.

Curtis Redington

-----Original Message-----From: JSchul6938@... Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 6:04 PMTo: iequality Subject: Re: Elementary School Cafeteria Sanitizer

ph K. Schulman,

So how does your Sanitaire Germicidal UV Room Sanitizer get the ketchup off the table top?

Sincerely,

Curtis Redington, RS

Environmental Quality Specialist

City of Wichita Dept. of Environmental Health

Wichita, Kansas USA

It does not. It is for sanitizing pre-cleaned surfaces and it is most commonly found in healthcare settings and laboratories, etc. HOwever, since the principals of its ability to kill germs on surfaces are sound and have been thoroughly proven in the lab as well as the real world, why not imagine applications where using it could benefit someone like the little girl who cannot stand chemical exposure from cleaning agents. The point is that one can clean with mild soap and water to remove gross soils, and, aided by an appropriate, calculated dose of Germicidal UV, be confident that the germs have been killied as well as, in in many cases better, than with using chemicals. N toxic chemicals needed.

I hope you and my fellow IAQ posters can appreciate what I am trying to get accross. I am not looking to sell anything...I AM looking to oppen some people's eyes to what is possible using today's UV technology.

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[Guest guest]

Joe,

I apologize if my sarcasm offended you or your effort but, the women

needs help now not later. The US Model Food Code is very clear.

Your products may be a long range solution but not today or

tommorow. I know how health departments react in this area. I was

involved with food safety before IAQ/microbes.

Tables where people eat in food establishments are generally

regarded as " food contact surfaces " by just about any health

department. Call your own health department and see. The National

Environmental Heath Association (NEHA) is mainly composed of health

department personnel with local chapters, state chapter, etc. They

talk amongst each other. They are a culture that the best special

interest groups can not crack. That poor women will get nowhere

fast unless she get the right rules of the game and finds a way to

win within the acceted structure of today. Iodine, Iodine and Iodine

as the sanitizing compound registered with the US EPA.

Everyone else is trying to be helpful but, they are giving her ideas

that are not legal and therefor are not useful.

Let me point out the dumb side of the US Model Food Code:

1) It it looks clean, feels clean and smells clean, you have done

your job in a food service establishment. A food production

facility has to take swabs and prove it by culture with a zero

tolerance for E. coli, Listeria, Salmonella, etc.

2) There are no provisions for disinfection of hard surfaces. Food

service facilities are the best place to catch a cold or flu. You

can apply a disinfectant to protect against pathogens or germs of

public health interest as long as you:

wash with soapy water

rinse

sanitize with an approved method

Joe, you can attend to Conference for Food Safety held yearly. You

can give your arguments with proof (if you want them to listen) and

they might agree. The FDA Board of Governors must then vote in your

favor for the change to be made to the US Model Food Code. Then

each state, county and municipality must vote in your favor. Then

the poor women can use your idea - 2 to 4 years later. I've seen

the bureaucratic nightmare that married special interest. Getting

change in the food codes is very tough.

The outgoing Secretary of Human Health Services (Tommy )

even made a statement about our weakness in the food supply system

against terrorism. Ponder that tonight when you pull into

Mc's. Do you want a coke and some flu with your order?

Don't kill the messenger,

Greg Weatherman

aerobioLogical Solutions Inc.

Arlington VA 22202

gw@...

>

> In a message dated 1/22/2005 3:03:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> AerobiologicalSolutions@Y... writes:

>

>

> This is not practicle for tables. I have never heard of UV

lights

> or similar in food service operations. You will probably meet

some

> pretty good resistance on that idea from the local health

department

> offcials. You would have to light the cafeteria like a Christmas

> tree to accomplich the feat. The children would have to wear

> sunglasses and sunblock (SPF 30 or better).

>

> I think your products have some good uses but, I can not imagine

> where it would work in this scenario. However, if you want to

> invest 5 years to get a few sales, go ahead and run into the

brick

> wall. You won't be the first or last.

>

> Regards,

>

> Greg Weatherman

>

>

>

> Greg....I advocate the use of the UV room sanitizers ONLY in

unoccupied

> rooms and for disinfecting pre-cleaned surfaces. Germicidal UV

My point is thi

> s: one can use mild soap and water to clean gross soils and

periodically

> irradiate a given room with the UV room sanitizer. This will

accomplish in many

> cases a better job of sanitizing surfaces in the room, including

tables,

> walls, floors and ceilings, and including the air in the room at

the time, as

> well, than toxic cleaning agents and will not cause anyone to be

sensitized. In

> a cafeteria setting it would be impractical to try to use it

during school

> hours, but it could be used during the final cleaning of the day

after the

> children are gone. I believe it has a role in other areas of the

school, as

> well...perhaps more practically than in a cafeteria, such as the

nurses office,

> the kitchens and food prep room(s) and the restrooms...to name a

few.

> Thanks for your thoughts. Your sarcasim does no one much good,

though but

> it does reveal the limits of your imagination.

[Guest guest]

Jeanne

Send the authorities a registered letter that includes some of the comments

and suggestions that you found here, along with reasons why they cannot

continue to use liquid chlorine bleach. Tell them that you want a written

response to a request for a safe environment for your child, also by

registered letter. This will get their full attention, since there will be a

good paper trail. Do NOT use verbal communications in anything other than

finding the 'right' person to whom you must send things. If you want change,

verbal means squat!

Have you personally tried the baking soda and vinegar (acetic acid) set of

cleaners yet?

Jim H. White

Re: Elementary School Cafeteria Sanitizer

>

>

>

> WOW!!!! I want to thank everyone for thier comments.

>

> I have contacted the City Environemtal Directer, who is in charge of

> enforcing the food code. At fist the director told me that there is

> no way the chlorine could be a problem. She said it was the same as

> the dilution in drinking water. I told her to use that then. lol.

> She became very quite and then argumentative.

>

> She believes that hydrogen peroxide and water is not acceptable.

>

> She also states that the cafeteria tables are a food contact

> surface.

>

> She has been very hostile when I challenge her off the top of her

> head answer.

>

> I called our state health department. They said they would work with

> the city, but would not have discussions with me.

>

> The FDA has refered me back to the state health department.

>

> I am not sure how to break out of this. I have to have some good

> arguments, as I get close to contacting the Mayor or City Council

> members.

>

> I am trying to educate myself so I can put up a good argument. The

> City is not use to mothers questioning thier interpertation, so I

> have to be prepared.

>

> I am not sure about the hydrogen peroxide yet. It seems to me that

> would work and is in the food code. I may be mis-interperting though.

>

> I do not think that any citrus based product is a good solution, as

> that would put the problem from my child to another child. I do not

> want any kids to suffer. Especially when the process is suppose to

> make it safe and sanitary for the children so they do not get sick.

>

> Soap and water has worked for years. Soap and water is in Molly's

> 504 accommdation plan. Using bleach or any other product actually

> is against her accommodation plan. But I am not sure which takes

> precedence. Section 504 of the REhabilitation act or the Federal

> Food Code

>

>

>>

>> Since the Food Code is enforced by the Environmental Services

> Division of

>> Jefferson City, it seems logical to ask them if this

> interpretation is

>> correct.

>>

>> Norm Gauss

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Here is what the US Model Food Code has to say on the definition of a

food-contact surface:

" Food-contact surface " means:

(a) A surface of equipment or a utensil with which food normally comes into

contact; or

( A surface of equipment or a utensil from which food may drain, drip, or

splash:

(i) Into a food, or

(ii) Onto a surface normally in contact with food. "

This is the same definition appearing in the Jefferson City Food Code.

Again, there is no intimation of table tops or floors here. I see only

cooking or mixing pots and bowls, mixing cutting or serving utensils,

kitchen cutting boards, food preparation tables, etc. One would not

commonly splash food onto a dining room table or floor and then expect the

food to be suitable for consumption. I think that is why the code makes no

mention of tables and floors.

Certainly in doctors offices and hospitals, if pills are accidentally

dropped, they are normally discarded.

Norm Gauss

Re: Elementary School Cafeteria Sanitizer

>

>

>

> Joe,

>

> I apologize if my sarcasm offended you or your effort but, the women

> needs help now not later. The US Model Food Code is very clear.

> Your products may be a long range solution but not today or

> tommorow. I know how health departments react in this area. I was

> involved with food safety before IAQ/microbes.

>

> Tables where people eat in food establishments are generally

> regarded as " food contact surfaces " by just about any health

> department. Call your own health department and see. The National

> Environmental Heath Association (NEHA) is mainly composed of health

> department personnel with local chapters, state chapter, etc. They

> talk amongst each other. They are a culture that the best special

> interest groups can not crack. That poor women will get nowhere

> fast unless she get the right rules of the game and finds a way to

> win within the acceted structure of today. Iodine, Iodine and Iodine

> as the sanitizing compound registered with the US EPA.

>

> Everyone else is trying to be helpful but, they are giving her ideas

> that are not legal and therefor are not useful.

>

> Let me point out the dumb side of the US Model Food Code:

>

> 1) It it looks clean, feels clean and smells clean, you have done

> your job in a food service establishment. A food production

> facility has to take swabs and prove it by culture with a zero

> tolerance for E. coli, Listeria, Salmonella, etc.

>

> 2) There are no provisions for disinfection of hard surfaces. Food

> service facilities are the best place to catch a cold or flu. You

> can apply a disinfectant to protect against pathogens or germs of

> public health interest as long as you:

>

> wash with soapy water

> rinse

> sanitize with an approved method

>

> Joe, you can attend to Conference for Food Safety held yearly. You

> can give your arguments with proof (if you want them to listen) and

> they might agree. The FDA Board of Governors must then vote in your

> favor for the change to be made to the US Model Food Code. Then

> each state, county and municipality must vote in your favor. Then

> the poor women can use your idea - 2 to 4 years later. I've seen

> the bureaucratic nightmare that married special interest. Getting

> change in the food codes is very tough.

>

> The outgoing Secretary of Human Health Services (Tommy )

> even made a statement about our weakness in the food supply system

> against terrorism. Ponder that tonight when you pull into

> Mc's. Do you want a coke and some flu with your order?

>

> Don't kill the messenger,

>

> Greg Weatherman

> aerobioLogical Solutions Inc.

> Arlington VA 22202

>

> gw@...

>

>

> >

> > In a message dated 1/22/2005 3:03:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > AerobiologicalSolutions@Y... writes:

> >

> >

> > This is not practicle for tables. I have never heard of UV

> lights

> > or similar in food service operations. You will probably meet

> some

> > pretty good resistance on that idea from the local health

> department

> > offcials. You would have to light the cafeteria like a Christmas

> > tree to accomplich the feat. The children would have to wear

> > sunglasses and sunblock (SPF 30 or better).

> >

> > I think your products have some good uses but, I can not imagine

> > where it would work in this scenario. However, if you want to

> > invest 5 years to get a few sales, go ahead and run into the

> brick

> > wall. You won't be the first or last.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Greg Weatherman

> >

> >

> >

> > Greg....I advocate the use of the UV room sanitizers ONLY in

> unoccupied

> > rooms and for disinfecting pre-cleaned surfaces. Germicidal UV

> My point is thi

> > s: one can use mild soap and water to clean gross soils and

> periodically

> > irradiate a given room with the UV room sanitizer. This will

> accomplish in many

> > cases a better job of sanitizing surfaces in the room, including

> tables,

> > walls, floors and ceilings, and including the air in the room at

> the time, as

> > well, than toxic cleaning agents and will not cause anyone to be

> sensitized. In

> > a cafeteria setting it would be impractical to try to use it

> during school

> > hours, but it could be used during the final cleaning of the day

> after the

> > children are gone. I believe it has a role in other areas of the

> school, as

> > well...perhaps more practically than in a cafeteria, such as the

> nurses office,

> > the kitchens and food prep room(s) and the restrooms...to name a

> few.

> > Thanks for your thoughts. Your sarcasim does no one much good,

> though but

> > it does reveal the limits of your imagination.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

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[Guest guest]

Jeanne,

Just to clarify, the product I referred to is a vinegar-based

product, not a citrus one. It's a family-owned business who're

trying to make a difference in the cleaning product industry

in a very environmentally responsible way - so I give them

major props.

Good luck to you and Molly!

Best Regards,

Stacey Champion

Owner/Consultant

Champion Indoor Environmental Services

PO Box 3332

Cottonwood, AZ 86326

Tel. Fax

sc@...

Re: Elementary School Cafeteria Sanitizer

WOW!!!! I want to thank everyone for thier comments.

I have contacted the City Environemtal Directer, who is in charge of

enforcing the food code. At fist the director told me that there is

no way the chlorine could be a problem. She said it was the same as

the dilution in drinking water. I told her to use that then. lol.

She became very quite and then argumentative.

She believes that hydrogen peroxide and water is not acceptable.

She also states that the cafeteria tables are a food contact

surface.

She has been very hostile when I challenge her off the top of her

head answer.

I called our state health department. They said they would work with

the city, but would not have discussions with me.

The FDA has refered me back to the state health department.

I am not sure how to break out of this. I have to have some good

arguments, as I get close to contacting the Mayor or City Council

members.

I am trying to educate myself so I can put up a good argument. The

City is not use to mothers questioning thier interpertation, so I

have to be prepared.

I am not sure about the hydrogen peroxide yet. It seems to me that

would work and is in the food code. I may be mis-interperting though.

I do not think that any citrus based product is a good solution, as

that would put the problem from my child to another child. I do not

want any kids to suffer. Especially when the process is suppose to

make it safe and sanitary for the children so they do not get sick.

Soap and water has worked for years. Soap and water is in Molly's

504 accommdation plan. Using bleach or any other product actually

is against her accommodation plan. But I am not sure which takes

precedence. Section 504 of the REhabilitation act or the Federal

Food Code

>

> Since the Food Code is enforced by the Environmental Services

Division of

> Jefferson City, it seems logical to ask them if this

interpretation is

> correct.

>

> Norm Gauss

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, . It is good to know you are out there and that I have support for my positions on UV applications. It amazes me how many of our IAQ readers are skeptics, but not surprising considering how many hucksters try to sell untested and unproven knockoff devices they claim are based on this technology. Please feel free to contact me anytime if you should need my help.

Best regards,

ph K. SchulmanFounder/CEOGold Bond Building Services, Inc. andMobility Solutions, Llc.Corporate Offices:805 Cross St. Suite 4Lakewood, NJ 08701-4099Gold Bond Main Phone: Mobility Solutions Main Phone: Toll Free: 1-877-811-REST (7378)Fax: E-Mail: JSchul6938@... info@...http://www.restassured.com/

[Guest guest]

Joe,

The great thing about this planet is that

there are so many different approaches and ways to think about things and at

some level we are, all of us, right all of the time.  This is true because we all create a vision of

the way we think things are and then set about to build a world view that

reinforces our opinions.  That’s why

we can have people on both ends of the spectrum fighting to the death for their

opinions.  Most of us, fortunately, do

not live in NJ, but I would say that we have our own feelings regarding the

role that government plays, and our feeling are just as valid as yours.  I don’t think we are saying you are

wrong for your feelings, but I don’t think we are wrong either.  It’s the old chocolate and vanilla argument.

I am not a huckster and neither am I

easily lead. 

While I agree that there are practical applications for UV light, I don’t

believe it is a panacea for all of the worlds’ problems.  As a scientist I try to look objectively at a

technology to see if it fits into my tool bag. 

If it does, I use it: if not, oh well. 

As an IEP, I have looked at all types of devices that claim to be a

magic bullet for the mold remediation field. 

As a consult I look at each of these technologies skeptically, yours

included.  It seems that, if your

technology really works, then you should be promoting it on that basis alone

and not trying to slam others for simply disagreeing with you opinion and

position.  From where I sit, your product

is just like all of the rest.  Unless you

can prove that your method is better, or at least as

good as what we are currently doing, I’m afraid your product will not achieve

its maximum potential.  Here is the

problem that you have as I see it.  Our

current clean-up methods involve physically removing the gross debris.  Unless you can devise a way to remove the

gross debris without actually expending labor you are doomed to fail.  It is the same argument that the biocide

people have been making for years.  At

one time biocide use was ubiquitous in the industry.  In reality there use just increased the cost

of the job because the cleaning still had to be done. So, the use of biocides created

another hazard and really didn’t help achieve the final objective. Biocide

manufacturers have not made their case, and hence, there is a very limited use of

biocides in the industry.  (In all

fairness, I should say that the use of biocides was a very contentious issue

during the preparation of the S520 standard, with one group insisting that

biocides are a valid tool in the mold remediation industry, while the other

side thought there use should be banned from remediation practices.  I don’t believe any of these people to

be hucksters, either, they just have different opinions)

Is there a lot of snake oil out

there?  Absolutely!!  The goal of the product manufacturer is to distinguish

his product from all of the others and to make his product a necessity.  I think you have your work cut out for

you. 

As a consultant, I am always looking into

different technologies that may be useful and cost effective.  There are some processes and products that do

appear to have some promise.  For

instance, I think the ThermaPureHeat process warrants

a close look. So do the titanium dioxide light bulbs that Ron discussed a few

weeks ago.  As far as bang for the buck,

I think both of these technologies offer benefits beyond those offered by UV

sterilization.  Now it is your turn to

convince us otherwise.  If what you have

is real it shouldn’t be that hard: most people on this list are pretty

sharp and will probably get it. (Although no one ever got rich overestimating

human intelligence – maybe that’s my problem.  J)

Thanks for your opinions and I look

forward to see what you’ve got.

Mark Doughty

Re:

Elementary School Cafeteria Sanitizer

Thanks, . It is good to

know you are out there and that I have support for my positions on UV

applications. It amazes me how many of our IAQ readers are skeptics, but

not surprising considering how many hucksters try to sell untested and unproven

knockoff devices they claim are based on this technology. Please feel

free to contact me anytime if you should need my help.

Best regards,

ph

K. Schulman

Founder/CEO

Gold Bond Building Services, Inc. and

Mobility Solutions, Llc.

Corporate Offices:

805 Cross St. Suite 4

Lakewood, NJ 08701-4099

Gold Bond Main Phone:

Mobility Solutions Main Phone:

Toll Free: 1-877-811-REST (7378)

Fax:

E-Mail: JSchul6938@...

info@...

http://www.restassured.com/

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[Guest guest]

I wanted to updated everyone on Molly.

The health department would not move from thier position that the

cafeteria tables are a food contact area.

The cafeteria is not using bleach during the lunch before Molly gets

to the cafeteria and does not use bleach when Molly is preasent.

That seems to be working fairly well, as Molly is no longer making

visits to the nurses office. I am no longer having to leave school

to pick Molly up from school with headaches, stomaches, or asthma.

Today I put in Austin Air's air purifier. These have worked really

well for us in other places, such as Molly's friend's house and

Molly's grandparents house. Before I put the air purifiers in these

places, Molly was unable to go to visit her grandpartents and her

friend.

Thanks for all of the help from this list. You all have made a great

difference in Molly's life. The doctors were going to pull her out

of school again if she continued to get sick.

Jeanne