3a. Re: GT ... 30 days?

[Guest guest]

V- I have seen no research to indicate KT contains any

acidophilus bacillus.

The actual yeasts and bacteria contributing to the ferment

are the major components. Lesser bacteria and yeasts that

may be present would be dormant or non-productive.

Kt is a probiotic as it generally contains Bacterium

gluconicum, Bacterium xylinum, Acetobacter xylinum,

Saccharomycodes, Schizosaccharomyces pombe, and to a lesser

extent Zygosaccharomyes, Saccharomyces cerevisiae. These

bacteria and yeasts will not produce lactic acid. They will

produce acetic acid, glucronic acid and fructose. If lactic

acid is present it would be considered only a minor amount.

In regards to GT's I have not analyzed his ferment. He says

there is Lactobacillus bacterium

and S. boulardii which would produce a lactic acid ferment.

Which he says is in there. There may be other ingredients as

well maybe even acetic acid, however I have no way to know

that and GT did not volunteer any more information than what

was on his label.

Lactic Acid is a more popular " health fad " while acetic acid

is viewed as - sour. maybe GT is just riding the popularity

crest. He does claim glucuronic acid but does not claim

any acetic acid.

Please quote your source for " Günther says lactic acid

is part of the ingredients of KT " and are you saying then

that Guenther believes KT is a lactic Acid ferment ?

Cornell Food Science study Lactic Acid = 0%

Roussin (1996) pH 3.0 Lactic Acid = 0%

Dr. Jurgen Reiss (1987) Lactic Acid = 5 g/L

Dinslarge and Ludorf (1927) Lactic Acid = 0.11%

Dave's Syngerty GT (2006) Lactic Acid. = 2.8 g/L

Again, my purpose here is not to condemn GT only to seek out

differences. If someone wants to really know and understand

this marvel called Kombucha than one has to dissect and

deeply investigate it without prejudice. For me that is the

purpose of this list. GT simply makes it easy because he is

one of the few who does list something one can discuss.

3a. Re: GT ... 30 days?

Posted by: " Baker " vbaker@... vbaker555

Date: Wed Aug 9, 2006 11:44 am (PDT)

I'm with you all the way on this, Beau, every statement.

Gunther

says lactic acid is part of the ingredients of KT. In

addition, if KT is a

probiotic, wouldn't it have the acidophilus bacillus in it?

That would be

the relevant nutritional information that would be typically

on the

nutritional list of a product, and not necessarily

acetobacteria that do

the actual fermentation. random thoughts. --V

[Guest guest]

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>Please quote your source for " Günther says lactic acid

>is part of the ingredients of KT "

It's in the list of things he says in at least 2 places on his website, on

the front page I think.

> and are you saying then

>that Guenther believes KT is a lactic Acid ferment ?

I have no idea. You previously stated that GT's label indicates that it's

a lactic acid ferment, and I was saying that I didn't think the mention of

the presence of lactic acid (or the other terms used) equates to a

statement of being a lactic acid ferment. No doubt the label is carefully

designed, but the fact of their having knowledgeable marketing consultants

in touch with current needs and trends does not mean that the product isn't

worthy (nor that the statements being made are untrue). It only means they

know how to present it to get " heard " . All the nastiest products use

propaganda techniques, why shouldn't the best?

--V

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