A waste of time -- please don't read this post.

June 5, 2005

This is the time when I wish we could contact the list owner. " ho hoho " , I

ignored your previous post about Antabuse in the interests of list harmony,

and since I find battles of wit with unarmed persons boring.

As for your first e-mail quoted below, has there ever been a more poorly

timed e-mail sent in the history of the internet? I could write a

dissertation on " what's wrong with this post. " I'll only address " my " part

of it. I know this is a waste of time, but, heck, I'll try it anyway . . .

First, I never said " could be saved and not need a transplant, if he

would only stop drinking. " I'm not clairvoyant. How on earth could I know

that?

is not drinking now. If you think two weeks of sobriety makes you an

expert on the subject you're sadly mistaken.

is my husband, not my possession. I don't have the right to force him

to make lifestyle changes nor to accept treatments. Even if I disagree with

his decisions, he has a right to make them.

Second, drinking ALREADY makes nauseated and causes him to vomit. He's

only fallen off the wagon once since diagnosis (Feb.13). The effect of a

single drink was violent illness. He already associates nausea with

drinking. He doesn't need me to sneak around manipulating him and tricking

him. is ill. He needs my love and care, not deceit and lies.

Will stay dry and sober? I hope and pray he will. I believe sobriety

is his best hope of enhancing his longevity and quality of life. But he's an

adult human being with his own volition. I have very direct experience with

suicide, and I know that if someone is determined to take his life he will

do so.

What I don't get, " ho hoho " , is why you think I should attempt to control my

husband. I can assure you, I have plenty to do controlling the one person on

earth I have control over -- myself. Perhaps you should turn your attention

to yourself and stop telling others what to do.

I, like Dennis, sign my real name to my posts. You, on the other hand, hide

behind an e-mail alias as the cowardly " ass " Dennis has so accurately

identified.

Dorothy

ho hoho wrote,

> I spoke about my alcoholism and that it gives me pain under my

> right rib cage. I am now 2 weeks dry. Kjerstin and that alcoholic

> guy ( ) also had booze problems but were able to manipulate

> their (enabler) spouse.

>

> Now Dorothy is as quiet as a mouse after I told her about

> Antabuse for .

>

> She knows its a possible solution but feels safer as an enabler .

earlier he wrote,

> Dorothy , you said that could be saved and not need a

> transplant, if he would only stop drinking.. He will not do that

> since he is in denial , etc. Since he is running headlong into a

> grave as fast as he can, why not take matters into your own hands

> by quietly getting Antabuse, in capsule form, to slip into his

> second drink ? or into a tall glass of cold Bud., with some ice.

> He will puke his guts out, all over the place and connect the

> naussia to drinking booze, unless you are careless and he

> discovers what is going on. You can not expect the Dr.s help

> since Antabuse is counter indicated with liver disease as is

> Tylenlol ( its about the same level of harm) so lie to the

> doctor, telling him the antabuse is for you " since you used to

> use it in the past to stop drinking. " He must lot be able to

> taste it and above all tell nobody in the family, especially not

> . He will stop drinking , to avoid puking but you need the

> will and the method.

June 12, 2005

good for you dorothy!

jo lynn

Dorothy Young wrote: