cultured raw dairy and candida

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Thanks for the answers to my previous question about how to try to

tell if a farmer will be providing clean milk. For now it seems,

all I have to offer is questions!

I wonder if anyone has any experience with using cultured raw dairy

while trying to do a candida cleanse diet. I read " The Maker's

Diet " which seems to say that a special candida cleansing diet isn't

necessary, just the " Maker's Diet " or at least Dr. Rubin's version

of it, which includes cultured raw dairy. I have also seen other

Cadida diets that nix dairy except for yogurt and presumably other

cultured dairy products. But I have a nutritionist that I'm dealing

with who is recommended by the Body Ecology website, who says " no "

to all dairy in the first phase of the diet, even cultured

products. She says this because of her experience with many

clients. I'm just wondering what any or your experience might be.

Thanks in advance,

Melody

PS I should probably make this a different post, but I was just

curious if cows have personality. Are they intelligent or

relativley unintelligent? They have a rep. for benign dumbness

except in the " Freddy " books in which Mrs. Wiggins is usually pretty

on top of things. What about goats? Ornery? Playful? Will they

really eat " 3 red shirts from off the line " like Bill Grogans goat?

[Guest guest]

Melody--

Sometimes all those wonderful Dairy microbes and enzymes can reality stir things up in a distressed Inner Permaculture. EM Brews and even Primal Defense sometimes make you really Sick, and are not used initially, by those with the extensive Clinical Experience to know better. People tend to go one way or the other for unknown reasons, but Dairy usually causes the least problems if there are going to be any at all.

For the sake of minimizing uncomfortable Symptoms, like itchy rashes, she is likely holding out to rebuild the microflora immunity until there is less pathogenic stuff to stir up. Some practitioners recognize the link between Fungi and Fats, and will ask you to minimize fat intake also. Raw Cream is the only exception to this rule and no one can say with certainty Why. Even Butter is verboten for some people's conditions.

Some infectious conditions like the Lyme spirochete complex will not respond completely to Natural Methods until some "killing" off is done first. Some will use colloidal silver, zappers, and/or herbs to accomplish this.

--Terry

cultured raw dairy and candida

..... But I have a nutritionist that I'm dealing with who is recommended by the Body Ecology website, who says "no" to all dairy in the first phase of the diet, even cultured products. She says this because of her experience with many clients. I'm just wondering what any or your experience might be....."Thanks in advance,Melody

[Guest guest]

Dear Melody,

We have five goats. Each has a distinct personality, and can be ornery and

playful. There is a definite pecking order, so we have our herd queen and

the two does under her. We have two bucks, and one boy is definitely the

boss. They are curious, and vocal -- our goats are Nubians which are known

for being loud. Our two milkers call loudly to us when it's time for

milking each morning and evening.

We have this ramp that our youngest doe (bottom of the totem pole) likes to

get on. But the doe in line above her can't stand her on that ramp. The

youngest gets on the ramp, the older doe tries to get her off the ramp.

Finally the younger doe jumps off, and the older doe is still on the ramp.

But the youngest doe has this attitude like she's going, " Na-na-na-na-nahhh,

you can't catch me! " and even though the older doe now is KING OF THE RAMP,

she jumps down and chases the younger doe around the yard, and of course the

younger doe runs UP the ramp again! The younger doe acts like a spoiled

teenager -- she was our first doe to freshen this year and her attitude was

so noticeable since *she* was the favored one, *she* was getting special

treatment -- getting milked, getting to have grain.

The herd queen is very jealous of the other two does now that they are in

milk, and she is not. She did not settle when we bred her, so she doesn't

get the time on the milking stand or the grain. We bring her into the barn

and brush her and give her some special time, but you can just tell she is

not happy that she's not getting milked.

They love being around us, and mill around while we are trying to clean

their pens to the point sometimes we have to LOCK them out of their pen just

so we can shovel effectively.

We sometimes take the does walking on our property, and you would think

something was killing the bucks for all the screaming and yelling that goes

on because they miss the girls and don't want to be left out of the fun.

Contrary to popular belief, goats will not eat *anything* including cloth or

tin cans. Due to their curious nature, they are like infants, mouthing

anything that looks interesting and so people assume they are eating a tin

can just because they have it in their mouth. They are actually quite picky

eaters, and are wasteful with their hay -- picking out all the choice parts

and tending to leave the stems. Also, we have to be careful changing their

diet abruptly as it can give them rumen upset and then their milk production

drops and they have a stomachache and acidy cuds.

The kids are the most adorable little creatures, and bond with humans

easily. I love and hate kidding time since we can't keep them all and I try

my hardest not to get attached to them and invariably I end up in tears for

a couple of days when we find new homes for the kids.

I have no experience with cows, but I bet they do have personalities.

Starlene

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To: <RawDairy >

Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:32 PM

Subject: cultured raw dairy and candida

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> PS I should probably make this a different post, but I was just

> curious if cows have personality. Are they intelligent or

> relativley unintelligent? They have a rep. for benign dumbness

> except in the " Freddy " books in which Mrs. Wiggins is usually pretty

> on top of things. What about goats? Ornery? Playful? Will they

> really eat " 3 red shirts from off the line " like Bill Grogans goat?