RE: Re: OT why antidepressants are flawed science

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Oh Vicky poor P, have you tried St s Wort?

Mx

What about kids with depression? What's the answer when all the natural stuff is exhausted? I have an ongoing problem with a 16yr old and depression and I am right out of answers for him. His current psyche is not much use by all accounts.Someone on another list once challenged me over my refusal of SSRI's on the basis that they may actually help and I'm just dismissing them out of hand. Inositol has really helped with OCD[big time] but depression remains and he no longer wants to leave the house!Just had another one of those it's all crashing again mum, talks, thoughts anyone?Vicky> > > > > > > > > SSRIO's always made me feel MUCH better, however, determined not to take them this time, addresing adrenals even early stages as I am have totally lifted me and I believe now what was Dx as depressionw as actually adrenal fatigue> > FWIW> > Mx> > > > > Dr Mercola has issued an interesting article today on why the theory on chemical imbalances in the brain being root of depression is seriously flawed and why SSRIs do not work..>

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What naturals have you tried Vicky? Would your son do some exercise, as this can increase serotonin levels.

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To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: MaddiganV@...Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 23:26:45 +0000Subject: Re: OT why antidepressants are flawed science

What about kids with depression? What's the answer when all the natural stuff is exhausted? I have an ongoing problem with a 16yr old and depression and I am right out of answers for him. His current psyche is not much use by all accounts.Someone on another list once challenged me over my refusal of SSRI's on the basis that they may actually help and I'm just dismissing them out of hand. Inositol has really helped with OCD[big time] but depression remains and he no longer wants to leave the house!Just had another one of those it's all crashing again mum, talks, thoughts anyone?Vicky> > > > > > > > > SSRIO's always made me feel MUCH better, however, determined not to take them this time, addresing adrenals even early stages as I am have totally lifted me and I believe now what was Dx as depressionw as actually adrenal fatigue> > FWIW> > Mx> > > > > Dr Mercola has issued an interesting article today on why the theory on chemical imbalances in the brain being root of depression is seriously flawed and why SSRIs do not work..>

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Have you tried Rhodiola?

http://www.ei-resource.org/news/mental-and-emotional-problem-news/rhodiola-rosea-an-effective-depression-treatment/

It is suppose to be better than other naturals.

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To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: MaddiganV@...Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 23:26:45 +0000Subject: Re: OT why antidepressants are flawed science

What about kids with depression? What's the answer when all the natural stuff is exhausted? I have an ongoing problem with a 16yr old and depression and I am right out of answers for him. His current psyche is not much use by all accounts.Someone on another list once challenged me over my refusal of SSRI's on the basis that they may actually help and I'm just dismissing them out of hand. Inositol has really helped with OCD[big time] but depression remains and he no longer wants to leave the house!Just had another one of those it's all crashing again mum, talks, thoughts anyone?Vicky> > > > > > > > > SSRIO's always made me feel MUCH better, however, determined not to take them this time, addresing adrenals even early stages as I am have totally lifted me and I believe now what was Dx as depressionw as actually adrenal fatigue> > FWIW> > Mx> > > > > Dr Mercola has issued an interesting article today on why the theory on chemical imbalances in the brain being root of depression is seriously flawed and why SSRIs do not work..>

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I always was an extreme opponent of antidepressants. But 2 months ago our whole family was becoming crazy of my daughter's OCD. She was the biggest victim of her own behaviour, but we also became prisoners of it. After trying everything, we decided to give it a chance at last.

Since starting 'Floxyfral' (serotonin) life has come back in our house. Our daughter is less anxious and happy again...

Hope you'll find help!

Greet

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What about kids with depression? What's the answer when all the natural stuff is exhausted? I have an ongoing problem with a 16yr old and depression and I am right out of answers for him. His current psyche is not much use by all accounts.Someone on another list once challenged me over my refusal of SSRI's on the basis that they may actually help and I'm just dismissing them out of hand. Inositol has really helped with OCD[big time] but depression remains and he no longer wants to leave the house!Just had another one of those it's all crashing again mum, talks, thoughts anyone?Vicky> > > > > > > > > SSRIO's always made me feel MUCH better, however, determined not to take them this time, addresing adrenals even early stages as I am have totally lifted me and I believe now what was Dx as depressionw as actually adrenal fatigue> > FWIW> > Mx> > > > > Dr Mercola has issued an interesting article today on why the theory on chemical imbalances in the brain being root of depression is seriously flawed and why SSRIs do not work..>

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Dear VickyI have found with my kids, that the thing that impacts most is when the schools and teachers fail to accept and value them and make allowances for them... Once they have believed they are valued and have a role to play... it has eased. My Middle son found his hallelujah moment when a wonderful insightful teacher took him to one side and told him to look around.. nearly every child is just like each other, and within that crowd none of them stands out as an individual.. she then told him that the really good thing about him and her is that in a crowd they stand out because they are very special individuals who have their own skills and gifts and do not need to change.  He came home from school that day standing so much taller and prouder, and has never looked back..

I hope that your son finds his Hallelujah moment soon... From experience with Tash... getting out of the poor school environment and into college where each child is a valued individual has done more to raise her spirits and self image than anything any meds could have done...

Would he find it helpful to speak to my two who have also struggled to find their mojo in a poor school environment? Have you ever tried Quiet Life herbal tablets...?  I have used them myself when overwhelm and stress got me emotionally down.. and am giving them to my 16 year old who is overloaded with dyslexic overload and too many pressures a head of AS levels.. They are very calming.. and in that calmer space, life feels a whole bunch better.

There has been a lot written in US about high suicide rates of kids put on SSRIs which have never been tested on kids, and do not seem to work well on their adolescent minds... 

Vitamin B6 is also a good oneThe improving sunlight, and being out in it for time each day may also help.. we have had a very dark winter and I guess all our Vit D and A levels are suboptimal just now.- and going outside is really beneficial.. also make sure NOT wearing sunglasses or glasses as our eyes need pure light to help boost serotonin levels.

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What about kids with depression? What's the answer when all the natural stuff is exhausted? I have an ongoing problem with a 16yr old and depression and I am right out of answers for him. His current psyche is not much use by all accounts.

Someone on another list once challenged me over my refusal of SSRI's on the basis that they may actually help and I'm just dismissing them out of hand. Inositol has really helped with OCD[big time] but depression remains and he no longer wants to leave the house!

Just had another one of those it's all crashing again mum, talks, thoughts anyone?

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I know Inositol is pretty crucial for him but when I was using high doses for my son I wondered if it was "chelating" some essential minerals - somewhere among all the good reports of Inositol I read that it did this - just a thought if you could up his Magnesium for eg. Loneliness and lack of friends is such a big issue here - don't know if that is true for your son - although its not yet - do the college he is going to go to have any buddying schemes with non SEN peers? The one we went to visit were thinking of setting something up. To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thu, 7 April, 2011 0:26:45Subject: Re: OT why antidepressants are flawed science

What about kids with depression? What's the answer when all the natural stuff is exhausted? I have an ongoing problem with a 16yr old and depression and I am right out of answers for him. His current psyche is not much use by all accounts.

Someone on another list once challenged me over my refusal of SSRI's on the basis that they may actually help and I'm just dismissing them out of hand. Inositol has really helped with OCD[big time] but depression remains and he no longer wants to leave the house!

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Dear Vickyone of the things that drives anxiety and stress is the cycle of high chest breathing, leading to a heightened state of anxiety, which creates more rapid breathing and so on... leading to adrenal fatigue and thyroid issues.- So exercise which exhausts or puts strain on the respiratory system, can create a worse situation- exercise in moderation, or in a form which requires mind and body, can have a more positive effect.

Also ..I have just finished reading the good book The Gift of Learning.. which is a fantastic insight into the workings of brains of people with ADHD, dyslexia and other similar behavioural issues..... and they have a wonderful set of three exercises.. which help the child regulate their behaviour and their energy.. One of the tricks is to give them an imaginary dial which they control which  allows them to set their energy, and I guess mood to what is appropriate to the situation.. Half of depression is being out of control, or believing that everybody else is controlling all aspects of their lives... and I agree 100% that a poor school leaves emotional scars... and please believe me that when you find the right establishment, within a year, the problems and scars begin to vanish and the beautiful child within reappears.. We can vouch for this as we are now seeing our old Tatijana emerge after being so crushed and bashed and bruised with the emotional abuse she faced at her previous school.  I agree with you that if anyone is questioning the competence of the provision of education for their child and they have a nagging concern about it being inappropriate for their child.... remove them from the school.. Our intuition is often an early warning sign to issues our kids face.

Sometimes the solution lies in looking at what is working well for and in our children and finding a way to make it work a little bit better.. this slow process of enhancing the good bits is often the quickest way to uplift the whole child.- I recently read a lovely expression.. Often times we put so much focus into the weeds in our life's garden that we nourish and cultivate more of the same, It is only when we chose to focus on the plants and trees and shrubs which we want in our life's garden, that we are able to choose which weeds to remove.

Best WishesTracey 

 

He gets a good amount of fat of the right sort, he wouldn't eat greasy fat anyway. He works out every day in his room, won't join a gym, he runs round the block with me [lapping me many times]every evening and swims all through the Summer.

He used to run at the local Uni but gave up because of his psychological problems and the usual problems of being an outsider.

It really goes beyond the " Why's " the fact is that for whatever reason, genetic, environment, physiological if someone is exposed to bad treatment by society then we are left with just a shell, most especially vulnerable young people.

I would say to all parents of high functioning or asperger kids to get them out of bad schools immediately, don't let your child put up with one second of having their confidence sucked out of them, our kids don't just bounce back. I am left with a situation now after 10yrs of appalling schools, who, if I am really honest have absolutely no business calling themselves schools, with a 16yr old who may well have to take some kind of anti depressent to see him through these crashes.

I'll look at the other natural suggestions put forward that we haven't done already but I am very worried to leave this too long as it is. We are chelating and he is doing well with that but in some ways it seems to leave him more exposed to the reality of how things have been for him.

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> (and just been to the Weston A PRice conference) basically fat has been

> demonised (by the food industry who sponsor govt. advisory bodies) and a

> lack of it is responsible or partly-responsible for many of today's

> modern illnesses and depression's in there (as is autism).

> Bad fats are vegetable oils and trans fats so all your pre-made pizzas,

> cakes, biscuits, ready meals, margarines, chips, etc etc.

> The best two fats are coconut oil (virgin, organic) and butter (raw is

> best) but lard and other animal fats are good for cooking. olive oil is

> good raw (and ok for cooking). and we all need the omega oils and cod

> liver oil

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The screaming and shouting outlet is very therapeutic... for kids constantly told to be quiet, sit still , listen to others for whom there is now voice... Something has to give.. and I think Anita has a very valid point.. punch bag too would be good.. and this strengthens diaphragm as does the screaming and shouting.

Vicky would he draw his feelings?  just that on the continent they use drawing therapy as a very positive outlet for trapped negative emotions and as a way of expressing things in a visual way... The results of the drawing often identify things that the patient is not even aware of.

Best WishesTracey

 

Vicky,

If you've tried all of the naturals (5htp, st johns wort, inositol, folate, omega fatty acids, tyrosine, valerian, selenium, dopa mucuna, vitamin D, adrenal support--I'm sure there are a few others too) and you're working on chelation, I would have to say that the poor kid, given the horrible treatment he's received at the hands of the school system, has every reason to feel depressed.

The old axiom, depression is rage turned inward, seems to be pretty true for me. As long as I'm raging against the bastards who are doing horrible things to our world and our kids, I don't feel depressed. If I lose that anger, I start to feel paralyzed, helpless and depressed. I wonder if your son could find a 'healthy' way to express the justifiable rage he might feel. It might seem childish, but even punching bags and some primal screaming kind of stuff might help redirect that anger to the people who deserve it (if in fact he has turned this stuff inward on himself). People who are kinder/more evolved than me might talk about forgiveness/understanding as a way to get through this kind of stuff, but it certainly wouldn't have worked for me as an adolescent and doesn't work for me now.

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I haven't even hear of Dopa mucuna Anita, let alone used it, what is it?

He did have a raft of CP's state his mental health issues over and above his autism and LD's were as a result of bad school placements but still they felt he should trial an SSRI, as I've said before this is way outside my comfort zone but am assuming once something like this is triggered then it doesn't make much difference to how it presents or what treatment people would reccomend other than their opinion about using meds in any case.

Tracey he is doing lots of sketching and painting but not to put his feelings down, he does say his art helps him more than anything else though.

He used to do really dreadful tortured looking faces a year or so ago but everyone thought they were a bit macarbe and advised him to ligthen his work up, maybe that was wrong.

He doesn't seem really angry and certainly not raging it's more of a very inward depression and total sadness.

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I'm sorry--I didn't mean to compare my own problems with your son's feelings. I don't think they are on the same scale at all. But I do believe, having spent many years teaching kids his age, that teenagers are very good at turning the horridness of other people inward, and that in a child with a medical history that goes with autism, this process could be especially severe and damaging.

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Dear VickyThe thing that screwed up Tash at school was the Art department wanting her to creatively produce work in the way that they wanted her to do it... so much for artistic licence...

I guess it is worth investigating the possibility of him drawing his feelings and what is going on inside and representing what staying in the house means...and allowing him to know that his art is valuable, healing and cleansing.. and that it is for him to choose what to draw and how to do it.. as a means of letting his brilliance shine again.. He has to release all the negative images he is holding onto before he can once more begin to let the sunshine into his art once more. When I worked with NT clients with mega bad experiences they were often encouraged to draw or write down all that they saw and felt inside.. and once done they had a choice to either burn the paper and release the ashes to blow away so that they could be released or to keep them of a record of progress.

As soon as Tash got to college and was able to be a free spirit again and connect with her unique blend of artistry... her mental state began to improve...  The TST allowed her to develop a strong breathing mechanism to sustain the high oxygen needs as her neural functioning improved.

We cannot change the past and much as I would like to burn effigies of the teachers most complicit in her mental cruelty, I have begun to see that using this same amount of energy to look and seek out healthier places for her has delivered better care for her. Did I tell you that she has accepted the offer from NUCA and begins to study Fashion in Norwich in September... and the hearing of our complaint by the school did not uphold a single one of our complaints even though the school have taken action to ensure the same failings do not happen again!  Seems in schools that as long as they make it better for future generations to their mind their is no accountability or responsibility for the damage their ignorance causes.... I hope that accountability falls at the feet of schools someday now have to decide whether or not to take it to the local government ombudsman and Sec State for Education .

Best WishesTracey

 

I haven't even hear of Dopa mucuna Anita, let alone used it, what is it?

 He did have a raft of CP's state his mental health issues over and above his autism and LD's were as a result of bad school placements but still they felt he should trial an SSRI, as I've said before this is way outside my comfort zone but am assuming once something like this is triggered then it doesn't make much difference to how it presents or what treatment people would reccomend other than their opinion about using meds in  any case.

Tracey he is doing lots of sketching and painting but not to put his feelings down, he does say his art helps him more than anything else though.

He used to do really dreadful tortured looking faces a year or so ago but everyone thought they were a bit macarbe and advised him to ligthen his work up, maybe  that was wrong.

He doesn't seem really angry and certainly not raging it's more of a very inward depression and total sadness.

Vicky

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I'm sorry--I didn't mean to compare my own problems with your son's feelings. I don't think they are on the same scale at all. But I do believe, having spent many years teaching kids his age, that teenagers are very good at turning the horridness of other people inward, and that in a child with a medical history that goes with autism, this process could be especially severe and damaging.

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My 18-year-old with AS also has these periods when he turns everything in on himself and just wants to stay in his room with the curtains shut. With everything that’s been going on here recently (Joe’s violence, ongoing battles with with social services and my brother’s imminent death from stomach cancer) I’m finding it hard enough to cope with my own feelings, let alone to help him so I have arranged for him to see the homeopath again. She really helped him cope with the horrible time he had at school a couple of years ago, and just a month after starting these latest remedies, I do see an improvement in him, he is actually out tonight with someone who has been an on-off friend since primary school – first time he’s been out socially without me since December.

I know homeopathy isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, but it’s what keeps me sane.

BW

Nic

From: veronicamadigan

Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 12:26 AM

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

Subject: Re: OT why antidepressants are flawed science

What about kids with depression? What's the answer when all the natural stuff is exhausted? I have an ongoing problem with a 16yr old and depression and I am right out of answers for him. His current psyche is not much use by all accounts.Someone on another list once challenged me over my refusal of SSRI's on the basis that they may actually help and I'm just dismissing them out of hand. Inositol has really helped with OCD[big time] but depression remains and he no longer wants to leave the house!Just had another one of those it's all crashing again mum, talks, thoughts anyone?Vicky> > > > > > > > > SSRIO's always made me feel MUCH better, however, determined not to take them this time, addresing adrenals even early stages as I am have totally lifted me and I believe now what was Dx as depressionw as actually adrenal fatigue> > FWIW> > Mx> > > > > Dr Mercola has issued an interesting article today on why the theory on chemical imbalances in the brain being root of depression is seriously flawed and why SSRIs do not work..>

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My 18-year-old with AS also has these periods when he turns everything in on himself and just wants to stay in his room with the curtains shut. With everything that’s been going on here recently (Joe’s violence, ongoing battles with with social services and my brother’s imminent death from stomach cancer) I’m finding it hard enough to cope with my own feelings, let alone to help him so I have arranged for him to see the homeopath again. She really helped him cope with the horrible time he had at school a couple of years ago, and just a month after starting these latest remedies, I do see an improvement in him, he is actually out tonight with someone who has been an on-off friend since primary school – first time he’s been out socially without me since December.

I know homeopathy isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, but it’s what keeps me sane.

BW

Nic

From: veronicamadigan

Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 12:26 AM

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

Subject: Re: OT why antidepressants are flawed science

What about kids with depression? What's the answer when all the natural stuff is exhausted? I have an ongoing problem with a 16yr old and depression and I am right out of answers for him. His current psyche is not much use by all accounts.Someone on another list once challenged me over my refusal of SSRI's on the basis that they may actually help and I'm just dismissing them out of hand. Inositol has really helped with OCD[big time] but depression remains and he no longer wants to leave the house!Just had another one of those it's all crashing again mum, talks, thoughts anyone?Vicky> > > > > > > > > SSRIO's always made me feel MUCH better, however, determined not to take them this time, addresing adrenals even early stages as I am have totally lifted me and I believe now what was Dx as depressionw as actually adrenal fatigue> > FWIW> > Mx> > > > > Dr Mercola has issued an interesting article today on why the theory on chemical imbalances in the brain being root of depression is seriously flawed and why SSRIs do not work..>

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Gosh Nic what some awful stuff you are going through, nothing helpful to say, just thinking of you

Mandi x

My 18-year-old with AS also has these periods when he turns everything in on himself and just wants to stay in his room with the curtains shut. With everything that’s been going on here recently (Joe’s violence, ongoing battles with with social services and my brother’s imminent death from stomach cancer) I’m finding it hard enough to cope with my own feelings, let alone to help him so I have arranged for him to see the homeopath again. She really helped him cope with the horrible time he had at school a couple of years ago, and just a month after starting these latest remedies, I do see an improvement in him, he is actually out tonight with someone who has been an on-off friend since primary school – first time he’s been out socially without me since December.

I know homeopathy isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, but it’s what keeps me sane.

BW

Nic

From: veronicamadigan

Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 12:26 AM

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

Subject: Re: OT why antidepressants are flawed science

What about kids with depression? What's the answer when all the natural stuff is exhausted? I have an ongoing problem with a 16yr old and depression and I am right out of answers for him. His current psyche is not much use by all accounts.Someone on another list once challenged me over my refusal of SSRI's on the basis that they may actually help and I'm just dismissing them out of hand. Inositol has really helped with OCD[big time] but depression remains and he no longer wants to leave the house!Just had another one of those it's all crashing again mum, talks, thoughts anyone?Vicky> > > > > > > > > SSRIO's always made me feel MUCH better, however, determined not to take them this time, addresing adrenals even early stages as I am have totally lifted me and I believe now what was Dx as depressionw as actually adrenal fatigue> > FWIW> > Mx> > > > > Dr Mercola has issued an interesting article today on why the theory on chemical imbalances in the brain being root of depression is seriously flawed and why SSRIs do not work..>

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Gosh Nic what some awful stuff you are going through, nothing helpful to say, just thinking of you

Mandi x

My 18-year-old with AS also has these periods when he turns everything in on himself and just wants to stay in his room with the curtains shut. With everything that’s been going on here recently (Joe’s violence, ongoing battles with with social services and my brother’s imminent death from stomach cancer) I’m finding it hard enough to cope with my own feelings, let alone to help him so I have arranged for him to see the homeopath again. She really helped him cope with the horrible time he had at school a couple of years ago, and just a month after starting these latest remedies, I do see an improvement in him, he is actually out tonight with someone who has been an on-off friend since primary school – first time he’s been out socially without me since December.

I know homeopathy isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, but it’s what keeps me sane.

BW

Nic

From: veronicamadigan

Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 12:26 AM

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

Subject: Re: OT why antidepressants are flawed science

What about kids with depression? What's the answer when all the natural stuff is exhausted? I have an ongoing problem with a 16yr old and depression and I am right out of answers for him. His current psyche is not much use by all accounts.Someone on another list once challenged me over my refusal of SSRI's on the basis that they may actually help and I'm just dismissing them out of hand. Inositol has really helped with OCD[big time] but depression remains and he no longer wants to leave the house!Just had another one of those it's all crashing again mum, talks, thoughts anyone?Vicky> > > > > > > > > SSRIO's always made me feel MUCH better, however, determined not to take them this time, addresing adrenals even early stages as I am have totally lifted me and I believe now what was Dx as depressionw as actually adrenal fatigue> > FWIW> > Mx> > > > > Dr Mercola has issued an interesting article today on why the theory on chemical imbalances in the brain being root of depression is seriously flawed and why SSRIs do not work..>

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Nic, I know if you get the remedy and dose right, homeopathy can work wonders. I am so sorry to hear about your brother. I hope this doesn't sound too scientific at a time like this (because it doesn't seem very empathetic) but if you can concentrate on the adrenal glands (Vit C, Vit 5 etc) for both of you, it'll give you some strength to help you through this. It has helped me a lot in my personal situation. I've used Dr. 's Dynamite Adrenal and it has kept me sane during otherwise extremely distressing times. Omega3s take the edge off....The other thing is Vitamin D. When I was feeling absolutely black and bloody awful, always at night and on overclouded days, I'd take Vitamin D and a feeling that I could cope with come what may came over me. It was a great relief because at times I felt I was really going to crash badly.

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Gosh Nic what some awful stuff you are going through, nothing helpful to say, just thinking of you

Mandi x

My 18-year-old with AS also has these periods when he turns everything in on himself and just wants to stay in his room with the curtains shut. With everything that’s been going on here recently (Joe’s violence, ongoing battles with with social services and my brother’s imminent death from stomach cancer) I’m finding it hard enough to cope with my own feelings, let alone to help him so I have arranged for him to see the homeopath again. She really helped him cope with the horrible time he had at school a couple of years ago, and just a month after starting these latest remedies, I do see an improvement in him, he is actually out tonight with someone who has been an on-off friend since primary school – first time he’s been out socially without me since December.

I know homeopathy isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, but it’s what keeps me sane.

BW

Nic

From: veronicamadigan

Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 12:26 AM

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

Subject: Re: OT why antidepressants are flawed science

What about kids with depression? What's the answer when all the natural stuff is exhausted? I have an ongoing problem with a 16yr old and depression and I am right out of answers for him. His current psyche is not much use by all accounts.Someone on another list once challenged me over my refusal of SSRI's on the basis that they may actually help and I'm just dismissing them out of hand. Inositol has really helped with OCD[big time] but depression remains and he no longer wants to leave the house!Just had another one of those it's all crashing again mum, talks, thoughts anyone?Vicky> > > > > > > > > SSRIO's always made me feel MUCH better, however, determined not to take them this time, addresing adrenals even early stages as I am have totally lifted me and I believe now what was Dx as depressionw as actually adrenal fatigue> > FWIW> > Mx> > > > > Dr Mercola has issued an interesting article today on why the theory on chemical imbalances in the brain being root of depression is seriously flawed and why SSRIs do not work..>

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Ok. this is one of the best posts I ever read! so so so well said!!!!!!!!

if I could stand up and clap you would see me do so.

excellent advice:)!!!!!!!!!!!!

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 1:09:03 PMSubject: Re: OT why antidepressants are flawed science

It's an extract from the velvet bean. If you google it, you won't get much on depression, but if you google dopamine and mood or dopamine and depression, you'll see what I started using it for my son.It might be that your son really does have anger and rage (the paintings you talk about) but can't express it, hence it must stay inside and translate into profound sadness and rage. If he's spent many years being forced by school authorities to just endure, then that is a skill he really knows. We don't often tihnk of it as a skill to rant and rage and vent, but it is. I know lots of people who don't do it well. I have spent entire days dropping f-bombs, throwing pillows, punching beds--mostly because I fear that if I don't I'll die of cancer and leave my kids behind. This sounds really dramatic when I type it in, but it's how I feel--andn in fact what I learned in university (although it sounded a lot mroe sciency in our stress class).I

also personally think it's therapeutic to feel contempt for people who deserve it (I have a long list!). What does your son say about all those professionals who were paid to help but didn't, in fact, hurt instead. Can he vent about them? Feel the outrage he should feel? Kids tend to blame themselves for myriad things that are not their fault, especially nice kids with nice parents. Perhaps your son has to learn to believe 100% that what has happened is absolutely not his fault and not what he deserved. That other people, with morals and backbone, would look at how these people failed him and feel nothing but disgust with them. This is why I actually wouldn't see a therapist about what has happened to my son. Unless one sat crying with rage in the chair beside me, shocked at the criminal behaviour that led to my son's autism, I wouldn't feel any better. And that's not generally what therapists do.Anita> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SSRIO's always made me feel MUCH better, however, determined not to take them this time,

addresing adrenals even early stages as I am have totally lifted me and I believe now what was Dx as depressionw as actually adrenal fatigue> > > > > > > > FWIW> > > > > > > > Mx> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 06/04/2011 12:56:48 GMT Daylight Time, thelifechangers@ writes:> > > > Dr Mercola has issued an interesting article today on why the theory on chemical imbalances in the brain being root of depression is seriously flawed and why SSRIs do not work..> > > >> > >> >>

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Anita, I am soooo on your page.x<I

also personally think it's therapeutic to feel contempt for people who deserve it (I have a long list!). Subject: Re: Re: OT why antidepressants are flawed scienceTo: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Date: Friday, 8 April, 2011, 19:49

Ok. this is one of the best posts I ever read! so so so well said!!!!!!!!

if I could stand up and clap you would see me do so.

excellent advice:)!!!!!!!!!!!!

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 1:09:03 PMSubject: Re: OT why antidepressants are flawed science

It's an extract from the velvet bean. If you google it, you won't get much on depression, but if you google dopamine and mood or dopamine and depression, you'll see what I started using it for my son.It might be that your son really does have anger and rage (the paintings you talk about) but can't express it, hence it must stay inside and translate into profound sadness and rage. If he's spent many years being forced by school authorities to just endure, then that is a skill he really knows. We don't often tihnk of it as a skill to rant and rage and vent, but it is. I know lots of people who don't do it well. I have spent entire days dropping f-bombs, throwing pillows, punching beds--mostly because I fear that if I don't I'll die of cancer and leave my kids behind. This sounds really dramatic when I type it in, but it's how I feel--andn in fact what I learned in university (although it sounded a lot mroe sciency in our stress class).I

also personally think it's therapeutic to feel contempt for people who deserve it (I have a long list!). What does your son say about all those professionals who were paid to help but didn't, in fact, hurt instead. Can he vent about them? Feel the outrage he should feel? Kids tend to blame themselves for myriad things that are not their fault, especially nice kids with nice parents. Perhaps your son has to learn to believe 100% that what has happened is absolutely not his fault and not what he deserved. That other people, with morals and backbone, would look at how these people failed him and feel nothing but disgust with them. This is why I actually wouldn't see a therapist about what has happened to my son. Unless one sat crying with rage in the chair beside me, shocked at the criminal behaviour that led to my son's autism, I wouldn't feel any better. And that's not generally what therapists do.Anita> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SSRIO's always made me feel MUCH better, however, determined not to take them this time,

addresing adrenals even early stages as I am have totally lifted me and I believe now what was Dx as depressionw as actually adrenal fatigue> > > > > > > > FWIW> > > > > > > > Mx> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 06/04/2011 12:56:48 GMT Daylight Time, thelifechangers@ writes:> > > > Dr Mercola has issued an interesting article today on why the theory on chemical imbalances in the brain being root of depression is seriously flawed and why SSRIs do not work..> > > >> > >> >>

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Yes, I agree, sorry Anita for not responding but had a bombshell drop in the middle of this crisis, but talking of therapists..........................................

I'm not sure how he feels about the adults around him but I do know how he feels about the other kids, the problem is he is high functioning enough to know he is different but too low functioning enough to understand why?

I think he blames himself, he would use the logic that he is the one who is different so everyone else can't be wrong, he's very uncomfortable in his own skin.

He has pretty much given up on any idea of friendships, says he isn't interested but there's no escaping that such a sheltered life for a 16yr old is not healthy and if I even start to compare with myself at 16 I can get really frantic.

I'm not suggesting meds are the answer just reacting to a thread that caught me at a very low point, it can be difficult jumping between the two boys different issues and the whole depression thing completely wrong foots me. I really don't know enough, am trying to keep an open mind, never considered meds for who has or rather had all the really challenging behaviour, the real severe presentation but this just feels different, it's a kind of loss of control in it's own. Maybe people who let rip, whether normal people with anger issues or even severe autistic actually have an outlet that others don't.

Vicky

Re: OT why antidepressants are flawed science

It's an extract from the velvet bean. If you google it, you won't get much on depression, but if you google dopamine and mood or dopamine and depression, you'll see what I started using it for my son.

It might be that your son really does have anger and rage (the paintings you talk about) but can't express it, hence it must stay inside and translate into profound sadness and rage. If he's spent many years being forced by school authorities to just endure, then that is a skill he really knows. We don't often tihnk of it as a skill to rant and rage and vent, but it is. I know lots of people who don't do it well. I have spent entire days dropping f-bombs, throwing pillows, punching beds--mostly because I fear that if I don't I'll die of cancer and leave my kids behind. This sounds really dramatic when I type it in, but it's how I feel--andn in fact what I learned in university (although it sounded a lot mroe sciency in our stress class).

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also personally think it's therapeutic to feel contempt for people who deserve it (I have a long list!). What does your son say about all those professionals who were paid to help but didn't, in fact, hurt instead. Can he vent about them? Feel the outrage he should feel? Kids tend to blame themselves for myriad things that are not their fault, especially nice kids with nice parents. Perhaps your son has to learn to believe 100% that what has happened is absolutely not his fault and not what he deserved. That other people, with morals and backbone, would look at how these people failed him and feel nothing but disgust with them.

This is why I actually wouldn't see a therapist about what has happened to my son. Unless one sat crying with rage in the chair beside me, shocked at the criminal behaviour that led to my son's autism, I wouldn't feel any better. And that's not generally what therapists do.

Anita

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