Re: (unknown)

[Guest guest]

hello listers,

my name is guy vermeulen, i am a blind diabetic living in Belgium, Europe.

since bob brinkley talked about recipies for diabetics, i have a question to

you that i'm trying to resolve for months now.

is there a good recipie for baking a cake, and which sweetener do you use.

here in Belgium, allmost all diabetic recipies are made with natrena, a liquid

synthetic sweetener, which gives a bitter taste to cakes.

and a good sweetener without the bitter taste like canderel, may not be heaten,

so one can not bake with it.

i am told that people in the usa use white stevia to sweeten things, and that

this is the cristalised form of the green stevia.

i've tried the green stevia, but it is not suited for baking because of its

taste.

but the white stevia is not yet allowed in Belgium, probably because it would

mean a treat to the sugar industry and the employment involved for many people

here.

so, i was hoping that someone on this list could suggest a recipie and a

sweetener to bake my cake(smile).

guy vermeulen

(unknown)

Howdy Do Folks -

There is a fairly new diabetic newsletter out from InteliHealth called:

InteliHealth Weekly Diabetes E-Mail you can learn about it at:

http://www.intelihealth.com/signup

I am in the process of creating a strictly diabetic recipe NL.

Probably sent it out about twice a week, it will run around 20k in

length. It will not be too hard on me as I am amassing a diabetic

recipe for myself.

It will contain, recipes, cooking tips, and source of recipe. NO

COMMERCIAL material will be in it. If you are interested in it then

please drop me a note at: bob-brinkley@... I am

probably going to send on out this weekend.

I suggest that because there is no need to clutter up this group with

messages about it and also it will make it easier for me to do a

mailing list.

I feel comfortable in this group as I am a diabetic, I am not blind

but am visually Impaired to the extent that I have no vision in my

left eye.

I am learning a lot from this group. The main thing is that all of

us are individuals and therefore we are different. What works for

some of us does not work for all and vica-versa. We can all learn

for each other the only thing is sometimes what applies to one does

not apply to another.

Hugs and Lover to All! Bob

[Guest guest]

Hi Guy.

Were you born in Belgium or are you a South African expatriot?

Welcome to the list.

Cheers.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim, I don't get it. I don't know what you are trying to tell us.

smiling.

(unknown)

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>

[Guest guest]

Diane, ordinarily, I would suggest a high protein snack at bedtime because

that tends to stabilize blood glucose levels better than carbs do. If a

high carb snack works for you, that isn't terrible, but I wonder if the

carbs aren't working against you in the long run. I used to work with a

father and son who had severe asymptomatic hypoglycemia, their levels could

go as low as yours. They found that a high protein milkshake before bed

ended up being the best stabiliszer. The milk had some carbs from the

lactose, and the protein helped hold the levels at a decent place. They

weren't diabetic as you are, well, not yet, it was sure to come and it did.

With glucose levels as totally unpredictable as your are, you have to do

what works best, finding this, naturally, is the bugaboo.

Dan

[Guest guest]

hi there, oh girl, i thought I was having problems with my morning levels of

40-50 what do yours normally run at bed time. mine run anyware from 90-140

but, they told me that if mine was under 80 at bed time to have a 2nd snake

before bed.

charles

On 2002-05-24 blind-diabetics said:

>Hi Everybody !

>Dan, thanks for the info about Bernstein.

>Congrats on the Masters, thats quite an accomplishment and something

>to be very proud of.

>Iam now trying to limit my meals to small meals throughout the day

>and to balance (as closely as I can, the amount of carbs) the amount

>of foods that I eat at any one time, with the amount of insulin that

>I take. I have a lot of problems at night with low blood sugar, so

>I have been eating a high carb snack before bed and this seems to be

>helping.

>The reason that my doctors have told me to keep my bg at a higher

>range is because I was being brought into the emergency room on

>almost a monthly basis for a while, with blood sugars under 25. In

>December, I was in the er with a bg of 13. My doctors have told my

>husband and I that they would rather have my bg higher, and then

>bring it down with Humalog , rather than having it so low that

>perhaps I wont be able to be brought back up at all (which happens

>and leaves people either dead or confused for life & brain damaged).

>Walt, it sounds like you are doing something right if you are

>improving. Thats great, keep up the good work.

>With me, I dont know why this has gone on for so long, I wish that I

>did. Im worn out !

>Be Well Everybody and Have a Great Memorial Day

>Diane

>

[Guest guest]

hi, that sounds like a good idea. I may try that myself. the only thing that

worries me about that is ganing alot of wait from that. I am now finally at

my gole. they said that for my hight of 5 5 or 5 6 that I should be around

130-135 wich is ware I am now. when I started my diet back in january i was

at 151, or there abouts.

charles

On 2002-05-24 blind-diabetics said:

>Diane, ordinarily, I would suggest a high protein snack at bedtime

>because that tends to stabilize blood glucose levels better than

>carbs do. If a high carb snack works for you, that isn't terrible,

>but I wonder if the carbs aren't working against you in the long

>run. I used to work with a father and son who had severe

>asymptomatic hypoglycemia, their levels could go as low as yours.

>They found that a high protein milkshake before bed ended up being

>the best stabiliszer. The milk had some carbs from the lactose,

>and the protein helped hold the levels at a decent place. They

>weren't diabetic as you are, well, not yet, it was sure to come and

>it did. With glucose levels as totally unpredictable as your are,

>you have to do what works best, finding this, naturally, is the

>bugaboo.

>Dan

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Gareth,

Its true today that Men are the but of all jokes and cheap adverts

that show them being laughed at in stupid situations. From one where

a Man is looking at the Beer cause he is too stupid to notice the

girl. To the stupid one on TV of a little girl belittling a little

boy about not knowing how a Camera works.

Adverts that have appeared are so Sexist that the other way around

they would be banned off the TV Pronto.

As for Women well they are capable of the most devious and evil acts.

Myra Hindley was the one that picked up the children and took them

to the Moors knowing full well that they would be sexually assaulted

and killed.

I was looking on the Sex Offenders Registry for the USA and found

that 20% of Women have been done for 3rd Degree Rape.

I myself was Sexually Harrassed at Work and because of it couldn't

work for quite a few years. If I had of done half of what they did I

would of gotten the Sack.

There was a leading Feminist in this country that now campaigns for

Men. She said that Women now are the ones that are belittling Men

and it goes against everything she believed in.

In most Night Spots I have found that the Women cause the trouble.

Men are fine until they start to tease them. I can remember one lad

getting beaten up cause he was looking at this Women dancing in a

cage and the boyfriend got narked. Well if she hadn't of drawn

attention to herself she would not of gotten looked at.

I have noticed that MEN have to wear a nice shirt and trousers to get

in a Night Club, but Women do not have to wear smart clothes at all.

I also have noticed the same goes for the Office. Men have to wear a

Tie and Suit. Women can wear what they want.

I have found that this is what I would call Sexist.

So Gareth I agree with you,

Steve

[Guest guest]

> Where do you get this crap?

Jeanette,

I'm afraid that ALL of the post you

were arguing with came from from Fred

, and not from Gareth. And I'm afraid

that I was the one who pointed him to

www.fredoneverything.net - my sincere

apologies. I've since read more of his

essays, and don't find myself agreeing

with him on much. He is racist, sexist,

downright misogynistic, and the man is

a Texan, what can I say?

Gareth,

I'm glad (for you), that you have found

someone with whom you find yourself in

such agreement. Read him to your heart's

content, but since there are 206 essays

on the website, I do hope you won't share

them all here. It will only get everyone

upset and want to kill you. Fred's not an

aspie, let's leave him out of this.

Clay

[Guest guest]

>

> Men of today's older generation grew up in the chivalric miasma of

> their time, which held that women were morally superior to men, and

> that civilized men protected women against any available

vicissitude.

>

>

> A corollary was that women needed protecting. So common has this

> understanding been through> Actually, no. They never thought that-

they were finding a way to ensure women were powerless, and wanted to

make themselves feel more powerful ( so of course men had taken all

the power) so they would not allow a woman to protect herself or

stand as anything except servant- a weakling who needed constant

control and " protection " . Most men of ancient times loathed women-

calling them " weak and dependent "

******

I havnt had the dubious pleasure of reading all your post, but i must

say that putting quotation marks around most men of ancient times

loathed women- calling them " weak and dependant " is quite amusing.

You have put quotation marks around countless billion men acording to

your particular outlook on life. Very instructing.

May i say that you are being somewhat presumptious? Whats the name of

the woman who rose up against the romans? Bodacia or something.

hhhhhmmmmmmmmm.

Of course, history books only have a few names in them considering

the vastness of time and the population therin, but if you wish to

base your history on militant femenists views of history, i guess you

could argue anything you want.

Gareth.

[Guest guest]

This is bullshit. No self-respecting congressperson would vote for

something that would " exterminate orphans " . Here you are twisting

the truth and making things up to prove your point. I just read the

act, and nowhere does it talk about killing or " exterminating

orphans " .

*******

No, it doesnt talk about killing orphans, and i think this is a more

concrete example of you not quite seing where the man is coming from.

Your femenist lines are well prepared, Its the militant femenist

lines that bother me. Out of interest, ive been looking on a femenist

website recently, which was worried the movement has gone too far.

Men and women are not the same, nor will they aver be. (im talking

mean average here, before you give me the almost inevitable list of

exceptions)

Thats my point. If you dont like it, lump it, cause i really am not

here to convince you specifically. Im here for all the men and women

that may be diagnosed, and may want to excercise who they are, not

who they think they should be. Being androdgeounous seems quite passe

to me. Maybe they will think so to.

oh- i forgot- the reason i started writing this reply, is cause you

accused the man of twisting the truth quite vehemently, when in fact

you didnt understand his original sentance, just what you thought he

said. Do you militant people have to take classes in that or

something? :-).

Gareth.

[Guest guest]

Where do you get this crap? It goes both ways, PEOPLE are not

accountable for

thier actions. Feminists are trying to support people's rights, and

have been

needlessly attacked and have had thier intent twisted and misused my

woman-haters like you.

********

Just had to reply to this one my dear, im certainly not a woman hater.

Gareth

[Guest guest]

Excuse me???? A man's " instinct " , like everyone else is self

preservation!

No man ever went out of his way to make me happy, as " instinct " or

anything

else, and I have many friends who have the same experience.

***********

I wouldnt go out of my way to make you happy either. But then your

hardly representative, are you.

Gareth

[Guest guest]

gareth danced around singing:

>Just had to reply to this one my dear, im certainly not a woman hater.

No, only a hater of women that are independent and self-sufficient rather

than submissive and dependent?

[Guest guest]

Again, this is bullshit. Often times women who COME FORWARD with REAL

charges

are futher abused and reprimanded. Anyone who files false accusations

is

punished- that's what I've seen.

*********

Thats because your a militant femenist, and the information you

receive will be largely weighted in your favour.

I still think its funny how YOU called ME a woman hater!

Gareth.

[Guest guest]

gareth danced around singing:

>Men and women are not the same, nor will they aver be. (im talking

>mean average here

What's the point? Human beings aren't Borg-like groups -- we're all

individuals. If one individual is more masculine, then goody for him/her,

that doesn't mean everybody else with brown hair, blonde hair, a penis, a

vagina, both, neither, blue eyes, or whatever is exactly the same way.

Also, to point out the obvious, " average " isn't exactly something to strive

for in life. Might as well put up a banner saying " yay mediocrity! "

>Im here for all the men and women

>that may be diagnosed, and may want to excercise who they are, not

>who they think they should be. Being androdgeounous seems quite passe

>to me.

Just because it seems " passe " to you doesn't mean that a lot of others

aren't that way. It also doesn't mean that you should criticize others for

not being what you wish yourself to be. Nobody is telling you not to be

who you are, so why not extend the courtesy back to them?

You keep referring to men/women as if they were distinct

psychological/emotional groups. That's dandy for the people that do fall

into those groupings, but what of those that naturally don't? They're just

as fertile/virile/alive/whatever as others are... Excluding them because

they don't fit the beliefs of a particular gender prejudice seems fairly

irrational.

[Guest guest]

> gareth danced around singing:

> >Just had to reply to this one my dear, im certainly not a woman

hater.

>

> No, only a hater of women that are independent and self-sufficient

rather

> than submissive and dependent?

Not that either.

Gareth

[Guest guest]

> gareth danced around singing:

> >Men and women are not the same, nor will they aver be. (im talking

> >mean average here

>

> What's the point? Human beings aren't Borg-like groups -- we're

all

> individuals. If one individual is more masculine, then goody for

him/her,

> that doesn't mean everybody else with brown hair, blonde hair, a

penis, a

> vagina, both, neither, blue eyes, or whatever is exactly the same

way.

>

> Also, to point out the obvious, " average " isn't exactly something

to strive

> for in life. Might as well put up a banner saying " yay mediocrity! "

>

> >Im here for all the men and women

> >that may be diagnosed, and may want to excercise who they are, not

> >who they think they should be. Being androdgeounous seems quite

passe

> >to me.

>

> Just because it seems " passe " to you doesn't mean that a lot of

others

> aren't that way. It also doesn't mean that you should criticize

others for

> not being what you wish yourself to be. Nobody is telling you not

to be

> who you are, so why not extend the courtesy back to them?

>

> You keep referring to men/women as if they were distinct

> psychological/emotional groups. That's dandy for the people that

do fall

> into those groupings, but what of those that naturally don't?

They're just

> as fertile/virile/alive/whatever as others are... Excluding them

because

> they don't fit the beliefs of a particular gender prejudice seems

fairly

> irrational.

********

I really think we are singing from a pretty similar song sheet here

- My fundamental greivence with militant femenism is That some

men will want to be a certain way, and some women will want to be the

correlate opposite. In beetween, there is all sorts of variations to

the theme. (my mum definately wears the pants in my parents house,

most of the time, for example)

So i think thats all groovy and good. Just let them be!

I apreciate that a lot of people will feel much more comfortable

being the opposite of the commonly held norm, and should be

encouraged to do so as an individual has all the same rights,

nomatter what his leaning. Im not afraid of this- far from it! My

firmly considered and held beleif is that the gender norms that have

been built up over the thousands of years will remain as such - they

are usefull. (if all women had sex with women, and men with men-

well, that would do the card industry great harm, and more

importantly end the human race.)

My thing is- ok, so a woman wants to do this- fine!! (assuming she is

not trying to lower the male " subspecies " to 10% of the population,

as has been a militant femenist goal)

If a man wants to do something- fine!

Lets just stop telling the other how to live. I have about as much

idea what makes a woman tick as i do a nuclear bomb, and quite the

same the other way around. For that matter, i have no idea what makes

somebody called tom tick- neither do i attemt to start up a movement

in favour of curbing somebody called Tom's rights, because he is in

the majority with a name like that.

Gareth.

[Guest guest]

> gareth danced around singing:

> > putting quotation marks around most men of ancient times

> >loathed women- calling them " weak and dependant " is quite amusing.

>

> Quotation marks are the accepted method for referencing specific

concepts

> within an essay. Laughing at their use only suggests you're

lacking in

> education. *shrug*

>

> >...acording to your particular outlook on life. Very instructing.

>

> Actually, she is right, women have been scorned for their lack of

physical

> power for a very long time. It is still the case in China, which

is one of

> the few remaining " civilized " countries in which gender-prejudiced

beliefs

> still are extremely prominent. They believe so strongly that

females are

> inferior that they routinely practice infanticide upon girls

shortly after

> birth, believing they are not as useful/important as males. So to

say it's

> just her " outlook on life " reflects not prejudice on her part, but

a

> complete lack of cultural/historical knowledge on yours. You might

want to

> do some research on hard facts about life in previous eras before

sneering

> at somebody else for letting her beliefs color her comments,

because it's

> fairly clear you're speaking without any factual knowledge to back

you up

> at all.

Well said ! - now just put the knife down, ok? :-)

Gareth.

[Guest guest]

--- gareth wrote:

>

> >

> > Men of today's older generation grew up in the

> chivalric miasma of

> > their time, which held that women were morally

> superior to men, and

> > that civilized men protected women against any

> available

> vicissitude.

> >

> >

> > A corollary was that women needed protecting. So

> common has this

> > understanding been through> Actually, no. They

> never thought that-

> they were finding a way to ensure women were

> powerless, and wanted to

> make themselves feel more powerful ( so of course

> men had taken all

> the power) so they would not allow a woman to

> protect herself or

> stand as anything except servant- a weakling who

> needed constant

> control and " protection " . Most men of ancient times

> loathed women-

> calling them " weak and dependent "

>

>

> ******

>

> I havnt had the dubious pleasure of reading all your

> post, but i must

> say that putting quotation marks around most men of

> ancient times

> loathed women- calling them " weak and dependant " is

> quite amusing.

> You have put quotation marks around countless

> billion men acording to

> your particular outlook on life. Very instructing.

>

> May i say that you are being somewhat presumptious?

> Whats the name of

> the woman who rose up against the romans? Bodacia or

> something.

>

> hhhhhmmmmmmmmm.

>

> Of course, history books only have a few names in

> them considering

> the vastness of time and the population therin, but

> if you wish to

> base your history on militant femenists views of

> history, i guess you

> could argue anything you want.

>

> Gareth.

>

> ---------If her 'authority' on this history is

Dworkin, then it's no wonder. It's as extreme

as any misogynist views, and the purpose is to instill

fear and loathing. Time to call for a de-programmer;

Camille Paglia, where are you??

Nanne

=====

" Let's go get drunk on light again---it has the power to console. " --

Seurat

[Guest guest]

--- gareth wrote:

> >

> Do you militant people have to take classes in

> that or

> something? :-).

>

> Gareth.

>

>

-------Har -- it's called most liberal arts education

anymore.....

Hey, in my early 20's I was influenced by

Daly's " Gyn/Ecology " ......it made me quite paranoid

and fearful. Then I grew up, and learned to

separate the chaff from the wheat.....It's called

'critical thinking'; determine what is of value and

toss the rest....... I still admire Daly even though I

don't agree with 70% of what she says, I admire a

brilliant and creative mind.

Nanne

>

[Guest guest]

--- DeGraf wrote:

> gareth danced around singing:

> >Just had to reply to this one my dear, im certainly

> not a woman hater.

>

> No, only a hater of women that are independent and

> self-sufficient rather

> than submissive and dependent?

>

-------Oh, please grow up, dear, and actually read

what he's writing.......

Nanne

>

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>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Men of today's older generation grew up in the

> > chivalric miasma of

> > > their time, which held that women were morally

> > superior to men, and

> > > that civilized men protected women against any

> > available

> > vicissitude.

> > >

> > >

> > > A corollary was that women needed protecting. So

> > common has this

> > > understanding been through> Actually, no. They

> > never thought that-

> > they were finding a way to ensure women were

> > powerless, and wanted to

> > make themselves feel more powerful ( so of course

> > men had taken all

> > the power) so they would not allow a woman to

> > protect herself or

> > stand as anything except servant- a weakling who

> > needed constant

> > control and " protection " . Most men of ancient times

> > loathed women-

> > calling them " weak and dependent "

> >

> >

> > ******

> >

> > I havnt had the dubious pleasure of reading all your

> > post, but i must

> > say that putting quotation marks around most men of

> > ancient times

> > loathed women- calling them " weak and dependant " is

> > quite amusing.

> > You have put quotation marks around countless

> > billion men acording to

> > your particular outlook on life. Very instructing.

> >

> > May i say that you are being somewhat presumptious?

> > Whats the name of

> > the woman who rose up against the romans? Bodacia or

> > something.

> >

> > hhhhhmmmmmmmmm.

> >

> > Of course, history books only have a few names in

> > them considering

> > the vastness of time and the population therin, but

> > if you wish to

> > base your history on militant femenists views of

> > history, i guess you

> > could argue anything you want.

> >

> > Gareth.

> >

> > ---------If her 'authority' on this history is

> Dworkin, then it's no wonder. It's as extreme

> as any misogynist views, and the purpose is to instill

> fear and loathing. Time to call for a de-programmer;

> Camille Paglia, where are you??

>

>

> Nanne

Ive just typed 's name in, and im continuing to read in

astonishment. While in the intrests of fairness, the one article i

have thus far read contained the odd outburst of reality, i feel safe

in the knowledge that the majority of her work will swing around the

strange old linking paragraphs inbeetween these bastions of truth.

Hi ho silver!

Gareth.

[Guest guest]

Too funny!!

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>

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[Guest guest]

Deb,

Where are you located, You can read here and ask questions and if there is

someone in your area, you may want to talk on the phone. There are more of us

out there than you imagine. Help us with a few more questions or more info.

Welcome.

Donna R

Do you want to read more about Lewy Body? You can also read the Thistle, the

LBD Newsletter. Just click on:

http://www.lewybodydementia.org

(unknown)

I am a caregiver for an 84 year old woman who has LBD. I have been taking care

of her for almost 3 years. Her disease is progressing. She is on several

medications. I would just like to talk to someone who is taking care of someone

who has LBD.

Deb

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[Guest guest]

hey i would love to find someone in my area to talk on the phone. my name is

midge and i am in birmingham, alabama (205)674-6055 thanks

Donna Mido wrote: Deb,

Where are you located, You can read here and ask questions and if there is

someone in your area, you may want to talk on the phone. There are more of us

out there than you imagine. Help us with a few more questions or more info.

Welcome.

Donna R

Do you want to read more about Lewy Body? You can also read the Thistle, the LBD

Newsletter. Just click on:

http://www.lewybodydementia.org

(unknown)

I am a caregiver for an 84 year old woman who has LBD. I have been taking care

of her for almost 3 years. Her disease is progressing. She is on several

medications. I would just like to talk to someone who is taking care of someone

who has LBD.

Deb

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