Re: Viruses binding metals

[Guest guest]

Maybe she's right, but for the record, that doesn't exactly make sense to me.

The metals

attach to the virus... I can't picture that.

My sense is that the metals can't clear out of brain because of metabolic and

physiological

challenges that the viruses cause....

Either way she's an ally in the virus/metals connection and I support her work.

When you have a chance, if you can send me the link that would be great. I

should read

up more on her theroy.

- Stan

>

> Stan, just a quick note to say I have been browsing Dr Amy Yasko's forum

> and papers recently and came across this issue - she actually takes it

> as a given that viruses 'tie' metals to them, so much so that in some

> kids metals are not 'visible' and cannot be chelated without addressing

> viruses... thought you might be interested to know.

>

> Natasa

>

[Guest guest]

And maybe it was me misinterpreting what she said ... anyway, am

going to post a question on that forum and ask for further explanation,

in case of no replies here is a quote of hers (in reply to another

post):

"...I do believe that all of the children have viral issues. As discussed in

the Metals, microbes and methylation talks (this is now part of the autism

starter kit) I believe that genetic weaknesses in the methylation pathway

predispose to chronic viral infection. The viruses are able to trigger

host MT proteins, which can lead to the viruses helping to sequester

metals in the body. For some children we are able to get at these metals

simply by chelation. For other children we need to support the body to

deal with the viruses in order to see excretion of metals.

I do believe that TD DMPS does have activity to help to deal with viral

infection. I also think that you can use other herbs to support the body

during this time. The ones that you mentioned may be helpful. Where I do

not use TD DMPS in my practice I cannot really advise you on using these

herbs in conjunction with the TD DMPS. I do know that there are a number

of parents on this chat room who have used other products to support viral

excretion along with the TD DMPS and they may be in a better position to

share their experiences with you. I have used monolaurin in my practice,

which is similar to lauricidin. I find that children who have the CBS up

regulation have more difficulty with this product. If your child is older,

or quite apraxic, you may consider that he does have the CBS upregulation,

in which case the use of monolaurin (or similar) may not be ideal..."

Natasa

p.s. excuse my English, what does sequester mean?

> >> > Stan, just a quick note to say I have been browsing Dr Amy Yasko's forum> > and papers recently and came across this issue - she actually takes it> > as a given that viruses 'tie' metals to them, so much so that in some> > kids metals are not 'visible' and cannot be chelated without addressing> > viruses... thought you might be interested to know.> > > > Natasa> >>

[Guest guest]

>

> My sense is that the metals can't clear out of brain because of

metabolic and physiological

> challenges that the viruses cause....

>

> - Stan

>

Stan and everyone else who might have thoughts,

From what I understand, you believe that by clearing up the viral

issues, some of our children are able to excrete the mercury from

their bodies, including their brains, all on their own. When I hear

this, I think about the autopsies done on men who had because of their

jobs been exposed to all sorts of mercury. These men didn't show any

signs of mercury poisoning (had they done so, they wouldn't have

continued at their jobs) but their brains were full of mercury at

autopsy. I remember after I read that, I concluded that because of

mercury's affinity for the brain, once it crossed the BBB the only way

to get it out again would be chelating it out. I was also reading

about " recoveries " with just behavioural treatments at that point and

this caused me to really question the extent of those recoveries,

particularly in the long-term. I'm wondering what would make some of

our children different from these men? Is there some sort of

explanation that I'm missing? Or maybe I didn't understand the

implications correctly in the first place?

Thanks if you have any thoughts on this,

Anita

[Guest guest]

I know no how to explain how viruses can bind metals, but it almost

seems that way from the empirical data.

Here is something related, metals protecting viruses and bacteria...

http://tinyurl.com/4ljz

Mark

> >

> > Stan, just a quick note to say I have been browsing Dr Amy

Yasko's forum

> > and papers recently and came across this issue - she actually

takes it

> > as a given that viruses 'tie' metals to them, so much so that in

some

> > kids metals are not 'visible' and cannot be chelated without

addressing

> > viruses... thought you might be interested to know.

> >

> > Natasa

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Gosh, bacteria hiding behind metals, metals hiding behind viruses,

viruses living in communes with fungi, them lot having a ball behind

our backs, it all sounds like some mad science fiction... or

hallucination :) ... I'd love to see an animation studio pick up

this one for their next project!

Now, Chinese Parsley, that is news to me.

Natasa

> > >

> > > Stan, just a quick note to say I have been browsing Dr Amy

> Yasko's forum

> > > and papers recently and came across this issue - she actually

> takes it

> > > as a given that viruses 'tie' metals to them, so much so that in

> some

> > > kids metals are not 'visible' and cannot be chelated without

> addressing

> > > viruses... thought you might be interested to know.

> > >

> > > Natasa

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Chinese Parsley - AKA, cilantro, a natural chelator.

Re: Viruses binding metals

Gosh, bacteria hiding behind metals, metals hiding behind viruses,viruses living in communes with fungi, them lot having a ball behindour backs, it all sounds like some mad science fiction... orhallucination :) ... I'd love to see an animation studio pick upthis one for their next project!Now, Chinese Parsley, that is news to me.Natasa> > >> > > Stan, just a quick note to say I have been browsing Dr Amy> Yasko's forum> > > and papers recently and came across this issue - she actually> takes it> > > as a given that viruses 'tie' metals to them, so much so that in> some> > > kids metals are not 'visible' and cannot be chelated without> addressing> > > viruses... thought you might be interested to know.> > >> > > Natasa> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

My personal definition of sequester would be " to issolate. "

Webster says: to set apart or to seize.

I understand where you were coming from Natasa.

- Stan

> > >

> > > Stan, just a quick note to say I have been browsing Dr Amy Yasko's

> forum

> > > and papers recently and came across this issue - she actually takes

> it

> > > as a given that viruses 'tie' metals to them, so much so that in

> some

> > > kids metals are not 'visible' and cannot be chelated without

> addressing

> > > viruses... thought you might be interested to know.

> > >

> > > Natasa

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Anita,

I think the question comes down to why some people have metals in their brain

and others

don't. If everyone had the same level of difficulty clearing mercury, then we

would

probably see neurological impairment in all children since just about everyone

has had it

in their vaccines.

IMO, it has to do with the genetic and metabolic challenges (and the dosage) at

the time of

the exposure and the genetic and metabolic challenges thereafter.

If a healthy child receives an equal load of mercury as a child with certain

genetic or

metabolic impairments, then the mercury in the healthy child might be excreted

before it

gets to the brain and not in another.

If the mercury gets to the brain, the only way to clear it (without using a high

risk chelator

and I'm not talking about DMPS or DMSA which we are told do not cross the blood

brain

barrier) is methylation. And methylation becomes challenged in the face of a

chronic viral

infection IMO.

If you improve methylation you improve the ability to remove mercury from your

brain.

I can't really speak for the cases you mentioned, but I would say it's likely

that they may

not have had a viral infection but had another impairment that effected

methylation or the

their type of exposure overwhelmed the methylation pathway and the amount of

glutathione those folks had. Glutathione is an antioxidant that actually binds

to mercury

and blocks it from binding to the the body and the brain.

Not to get too off topic of your question... I'm not saying that people should

not try metals

detox/chelation which will help your body to remove metals. I'm saying that

there is

growing evidence that lessening viruses, which can free up your methylation

pathway, is

also a seemingly important step to take to clear your child's brain of metals.

Without

methylation, you can use DMPS or DMSA all you want and you will not be helping

the

child's metals load in the brain all that much.

In my son's case, he was metals impaired and he was able to clear his brain

without

chelation. We have several posts from families here that are experiencing the

same thing.

We are also seeing what looks like metals excretion in a way that we do not see

it with

DMSA and DMPS.

To me, if it were my child, I would consider the safest ways to remove metals

first (like

antivirals and methylation support). Before you try more invasive ways. Why

take greater

risks when you might not have to. It only takes six weeks (often less,

sometimes days.) to

see if antivirals are going to improve your child.

- Stan

> >

>

> > My sense is that the metals can't clear out of brain because of

> metabolic and physiological

> > challenges that the viruses cause....

> >

> > - Stan

> >

> Stan and everyone else who might have thoughts,

>

> From what I understand, you believe that by clearing up the viral

> issues, some of our children are able to excrete the mercury from

> their bodies, including their brains, all on their own. When I hear

> this, I think about the autopsies done on men who had because of their

> jobs been exposed to all sorts of mercury. These men didn't show any

> signs of mercury poisoning (had they done so, they wouldn't have

> continued at their jobs) but their brains were full of mercury at

> autopsy. I remember after I read that, I concluded that because of

> mercury's affinity for the brain, once it crossed the BBB the only way

> to get it out again would be chelating it out. I was also reading

> about " recoveries " with just behavioural treatments at that point and

> this caused me to really question the extent of those recoveries,

> particularly in the long-term. I'm wondering what would make some of

> our children different from these men? Is there some sort of

> explanation that I'm missing? Or maybe I didn't understand the

> implications correctly in the first place?

>

> Thanks if you have any thoughts on this,

>

> Anita

>

[Guest guest]

Stan , are you saying that if you dont see any improvements within 6 weeks you should give up on the valtrex?

-----Original Message-----From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ]On Behalf Of Stan KurtzSent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 2:58 PMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Viruses binding metalsHi Anita,I think the question comes down to why some people have metals in their brain and others don't. If everyone had the same level of difficulty clearing mercury, then we would probably see neurological impairment in all children since just about everyone has had it in their vaccines.IMO, it has to do with the genetic and metabolic challenges (and the dosage) at the time of the exposure and the genetic and metabolic challenges thereafter.If a healthy child receives an equal load of mercury as a child with certain genetic or metabolic impairments, then the mercury in the healthy child might be excreted before it gets to the brain and not in another. If the mercury gets to the brain, the only way to clear it (without using a high risk chelator and I'm not talking about DMPS or DMSA which we are told do not cross the blood brain barrier) is methylation. And methylation becomes challenged in the face of a chronic viral infection IMO. If you improve methylation you improve the ability to remove mercury from your brain.I can't really speak for the cases you mentioned, but I would say it's likely that they may not have had a viral infection but had another impairment that effected methylation or the their type of exposure overwhelmed the methylation pathway and the amount of glutathione those folks had. Glutathione is an antioxidant that actually binds to mercury and blocks it from binding to the the body and the brain.Not to get too off topic of your question... I'm not saying that people should not try metals detox/chelation which will help your body to remove metals. I'm saying that there is growing evidence that lessening viruses, which can free up your methylation pathway, is also a seemingly important step to take to clear your child's brain of metals. Without methylation, you can use DMPS or DMSA all you want and you will not be helping the child's metals load in the brain all that much.In my son's case, he was metals impaired and he was able to clear his brain without chelation. We have several posts from families here that are experiencing the same thing.We are also seeing what looks like metals excretion in a way that we do not see it with DMSA and DMPS. To me, if it were my child, I would consider the safest ways to remove metals first (like antivirals and methylation support). Before you try more invasive ways. Why take greater risks when you might not have to. It only takes six weeks (often less, sometimes days.) to see if antivirals are going to improve your child. - Stan > >> > > My sense is that the metals can't clear out of brain because of > metabolic and physiological > > challenges that the viruses cause.... > > > > - Stan> > > Stan and everyone else who might have thoughts,> > From what I understand, you believe that by clearing up the viral > issues, some of our children are able to excrete the mercury from > their bodies, including their brains, all on their own. When I hear > this, I think about the autopsies done on men who had because of their > jobs been exposed to all sorts of mercury. These men didn't show any > signs of mercury poisoning (had they done so, they wouldn't have > continued at their jobs) but their brains were full of mercury at > autopsy. I remember after I read that, I concluded that because of > mercury's affinity for the brain, once it crossed the BBB the only way > to get it out again would be chelating it out. I was also reading > about "recoveries" with just behavioural treatments at that point and > this caused me to really question the extent of those recoveries, > particularly in the long-term. I'm wondering what would make some of > our children different from these men? Is there some sort of > explanation that I'm missing? Or maybe I didn't understand the > implications correctly in the first place?> > Thanks if you have any thoughts on this,> > Anita>

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure how you found this citation, but it's very interesting on several

levels.

Has anyone else used chinese parsley for mercury detox?

What I see in this article:

1. Metals impairs the immune system, specifically related to herpes strain

viruses.

2. Chinese parsley may lower mercury levels.

3. Cod Liver Oil may be helpful in fighting herpes viruses.

- Stan

> > >

> > > Stan, just a quick note to say I have been browsing Dr Amy

> Yasko's forum

> > > and papers recently and came across this issue - she actually

> takes it

> > > as a given that viruses 'tie' metals to them, so much so that in

> some

> > > kids metals are not 'visible' and cannot be chelated without

> addressing

> > > viruses... thought you might be interested to know.

> > >

> > > Natasa

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

If you don't see any posative signs and you have been doing the right dosage and

with an

antifungal onboard, yes... at least " probably. " If I knew more details I would

say for sure...

but certainly 6 weeks is the time where I would start thinking of stopping if

there was

nothing positive coming from it.

- Stan

> > >

> >

> > > My sense is that the metals can't clear out of brain because of

> > metabolic and physiological

> > > challenges that the viruses cause....

> > >

> > > - Stan

> > >

> > Stan and everyone else who might have thoughts,

> >

> > From what I understand, you believe that by clearing up the viral

> > issues, some of our children are able to excrete the mercury from

> > their bodies, including their brains, all on their own. When I hear

> > this, I think about the autopsies done on men who had because of their

> > jobs been exposed to all sorts of mercury. These men didn't show any

> > signs of mercury poisoning (had they done so, they wouldn't have

> > continued at their jobs) but their brains were full of mercury at

> > autopsy. I remember after I read that, I concluded that because of

> > mercury's affinity for the brain, once it crossed the BBB the only way

> > to get it out again would be chelating it out. I was also reading

> > about " recoveries " with just behavioural treatments at that point and

> > this caused me to really question the extent of those recoveries,

> > particularly in the long-term. I'm wondering what would make some of

> > our children different from these men? Is there some sort of

> > explanation that I'm missing? Or maybe I didn't understand the

> > implications correctly in the first place?

> >

> > Thanks if you have any thoughts on this,

> >

> > Anita

> >

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