Re: Digest Number 448

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In a message dated 5/29/2001 1:44:09 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

mscured writes:

<< So, I guess we all have to do what will work for us and what we can

tolerate

- I don't think there is only one road for everyone, and the blood type diet

was just totally unacceptable to me. >>

Carol,

I agree with you completely. I am blood type A and that basically means

vegetarian. I'm glad that it works for some but it didn't work for me

either.

Oh and thanks for your comment on my hormone problems possibly being linked

to MS. What you said makes sense.

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Try telling that to the Pope, the Chief Rabbi or to an Ayatollah of your

choice!

Kanjane

Mike

I do that all the time! LOL

Carol

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have no other way of getting proper protein

CAROL,

DO YOU EAT BEAN SPROUTS? THEY ARE A LIVE AND FULL OF PROTEIN, DON'T FORGET THAT OUR BODIES REGENERATE PROTEIN EVERY DAY, AND IN FACT ONLY A SMALL percentage OF PROTEIN IS FOUND IN MOTHER'S MILK.

GWEN

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Try telling that to the Pope, the Chief Rabbi or to an Ayatollah of your choice!

OR THE NEAREST SOUTHERN BAPTIST.

GWEN

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No, I don't eat any legumes,

I DID NOT KNOW SPROUT WERE LEGUMES! GUESS I HAVE NOT THOUGHT ABOUT IT BEFORE. I ALSO EAT ALFAFA.(SPELL)

I EAT THEM EVERYDAY. NOT MANY BUT I HAVE THIS CONCOCTION THAT IS WALNUTS, BEAN SPROUTS, ALFALFA, TOMATOES, SESAME SEEDS AND AN APPLE (SMALL) ALL TOGETHER WITH SOME OLIVE OIL POURED OVER IT.

CALL ME CRAZY BUT I ACTUALLY CRAVE THAT MIX OF FOOD.

GWEN

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I DID NOT KNOW SPROUT WERE LEGUMES! GUESS I HAVE NOT THOUGHT ABOUT IT BEFORE. I ALSO EAT ALFAFA.(SPELL)

I EAT THEM EVERYDAY. NOT MANY BUT I HAVE THIS CONCOCTION THAT IS WALNUTS, BEAN SPROUTS, ALFALFA, TOMATOES, SESAME SEEDS AND AN APPLE (SMALL) ALL TOGETHER WITH SOME OLIVE OIL POURED OVER IT.

CALL ME CRAZY BUT I ACTUALLY CRAVE THAT MIX OF FOOD.

GWEN

Gwen,

That 'concoction' sounds VERY good to me - I can totally understand it. It's probably very healthy. But, bean sprouts ARE legumes. LOL. I don't think there is anything wrong with alfalfa sprouts, at least that I know of.

Carol

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>probably very healthy. But, bean sprouts ARE legumes. LOL. I don't think

>there is anything wrong with alfalfa sprouts, at least that I know of.

>Carol

But alfalfa IS a legume, as far as know. Munch away.

Personally, I love baked beans, especially Heinz " English Recipe " !

Kanjane

Mike

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Personally, I love baked beans, especially Heinz "English Recipe"!

I love these too although I do not eat them, my friends are telling me to just go outside and eat the tree bark since I no longer eat as they put it ANYTHING! While at the park yesterday I found some raspberries bushes and gathered some of them and then changed my mind because I did not know if they were sprayed or not.

always something!

Anyway ia m getting better and have seen an improvement since I started this diet, I know you are not supposed to get better so quick but I have, placebo effect? Who knows? any way you look at it, I enjoy the better health.

Gwen

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> Anyway ia m getting better and have seen an improvement since I

started this

> diet, I know you are not supposed to get better so quick but I

have, placebo

> effect? Who knows? any way you look at it, I enjoy the better

health.

> Gwen

Gwen

Exactly which diet are you on? I am in search of something that will

work for me before it is too late.

Jonathon

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Exactly which diet are you on? I am in search of something that will work for me before it is too late.

I don't think it has a name, if it does I am not aware of it. Here

I eat no dairy, no red meat, no grains or rice.

I eat chicken (buy it fresh from a local poultry farm) and I eat fish, nuts, berries, fruit and I do eat sprouts and alfalfa I use only extra virgin olive oil and eat all the veggies I want, but eat them raw.

After two weeks (I had withdraw symptom or detox symptoms, had a huge rash and nausea) I started to feel wonderful. I am walking with a cane now. was in a chair.

good luck

Gwen

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I don't think it has a name, if it does I am not aware of it. Here I eat no dairy, no red meat, no grains or rice.

I eat chicken (buy it fresh from a local poultry farm) and I eat fish, nuts, berries, fruit and I do eat sprouts and alfalfa I use only extra virgin olive oil and eat all the veggies I want, but eat them raw.

After two weeks (I had withdraw symptom or detox symptoms, had a huge rash and nausea) I started to feel wonderful. I am walking with a cane now. was in a chair.

good luck Gwen

Gwen,

That sounds almost exactly like what I've been doing for the last year or so. Only I do cook the veggies I don't like raw, like sweet potatoes, potatoes, broccoli and asparagus. Other than that, sounds just like my diet. I follow the Best Bet Diet, but eliminate the grains pretty much altogether, but I don't eat legumes, eggs or yeast, which are no-nos on it too.

Carol

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eggs or yeast, which are no-nos on it too. Carol

I don't eat eggs either carol, the only legumes I eat is the sprouts and alfalfa.

where di you find this diet?

can you send me a link? i really didn't know it had a name! hahahah

As I mentioned before I have always eaten low carb for years but when I switched to this diet the change has been amazing.

The only supplements I take are Vt. c and the b complex.

be well

Gwen

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Only I do cook the veggies

How do you cook them? Occasionally I will throw some on the Forman grill for about 3 min. they are still raw but easier to eat. I do this about 2 times a week the other times I eat them raw, I love onions, carrots and green peppers I also eat garlic every day.

Gwen

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I don't eat eggs either carol, the only legumes I eat is the sprouts and alfalfa.

where di you find this diet? can you send me a link? i really didn't know it had a name! hahahah

As I mentioned before I have always eaten low carb for years but when I switched to this diet the change has been amazing.

The only supplements I take are Vt. c and the b complex.

be well Gwen

Gwen,

I don't think there is a name for my diet. It's actually the Best Bet Diet (Ashton Embry), but with a lot less carbs. I follow the recommendations for 'avoids' on that diet, but I also avoid even more! LOL. It kind of came about when I went on a candida diet a year ago. Until then, I was on the BBD. When I added the candida low carb. recommendations, I noticed I felt even better, so I've stayed with that.

Carol

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I don't eat eggs either carol, the only legumes I eat is the sprouts and alfalfa.

where di you find this diet? can you send me a link? i really didn't know it had a name! hahahah

As I mentioned before I have always eaten low carb for years but when I switched to this diet the change has been amazing.

The only supplements I take are Vt. c and the b complex.

be well Gwen

Gwen,

I also wanted to ask about your supplementation, or lack thereof! I guess you feel you're doing well without all the vitamins most of us take? (I sometimes wonder if I take way too many.)

Carol

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sometimes wonder if I take way too

Carol,

I tried various different things and the only thing I can say made me feel different was CO enzyme cq-10.

and in fact the Alfa lipid acid is what i blame for my last relapse. i think it boosted my immune system way to much. i had tried a lot of different supplements last year while on a low carb diet (but was still eating the meat and dairy)

Now I just can't afford anything other that what I take and I don't think I would take anything other than c and b and cq-10.

Interesting enough a friend bought me a jar of St. ives cq-10 face cream, we both started to use it at the same time and I swear by this stuff, with in a month I noticed that her face looked at least 5 years younger and in about 6 weeks I noticed a great improvement in mine, the wrinkles were so dimisnished. people started to tell me that I was looking younger.

I know in Japan they use cq-10 for everything including a certain type of heart disease, I simply do not buy and take it because of the cost.

Gwen

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When I added the candida low carb. recommendations, I noticed I felt

I am so glad this is working for you and you feel better, it is so good to hear!

Gwen

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Carol, you and I have debated diet for some time now (both being on low-carb

with no grains or sugars) so I was surprised when I read your post that you

eat potatoes. Is that ok on BB? That surprises me, as it seemed to be

that BB was more consistent with paleo, and raw potatoes are toxic. Just

curious as to why Ashton Embry included potatoes??

Rani

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Carol, I tried various different things and the only thing I can say made me feel different was CO enzyme cq-10.

Gwen,

I don't think I've been able to tell any difference in the way I feel from any supplements, except DHEA (strength) and ginkgo biloba (memory). But, I don't know that you'd be able to tell with most supplements. Just like vitamin C, you don't notice feeling any different, but it has a huge effect inside you.

I'll have to look into the cream you spoke of. Carol

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When I added the candida low carb. recommendations, I noticed I felt

I am so glad this is working for you and you feel better, it is so good to hear! Gwen

Gwen,

Yes! Don't you just love to hear the success stories?

Carol

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Sorry to butt in, I was just wondering - what diet? Best Bet? I can't find anything other than everyone's conversations regarding this. When you were on low-carb, is that Dr. Atkins? I was on that for a while and felt great, but my doctor said "oh NO! You could destroy your liver, etc." I've been on copaxone for one week, but can't stand the side effects (wrenching stomach pain and loss of bowel control!)

If you were talking to me.............

am on the Best Bet diet, but I have revised it to be low carb. No, I don't do Atkins, because it's too much saturated fat. All that meat is probably what the doctor thinks would be hard on the liver. The diet I'm on is very good for the liver, in fact.

That's too bad about Copaxone, I can't understand it. All Copaxone is is 4 amino acids and a synthetic sugar, all of which are in many of the foods we eat all the time. Or I should say the foods that most people eat all the time. It's too bad, because they are showing such fantastic results for the people who have been on it over 5-6 years.

Carol

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Sorry to butt in, I was just wondering - what diet? Best Bet? I can't find anything other than everyone's conversations regarding this. When you were on low-carb, is that Dr. Atkins? I was on that for a while and felt great, but my doctor said "oh NO! You could destroy your liver, etc." I've been on copaxone for one week, but can't stand the side effects (wrenching stomach pain and loss of bowel control!)

Re: Re: Digest Number 448

I don't eat eggs either carol, the only legumes I eat is the sprouts and alfalfa. where di you find this diet? can you send me a link? i really didn't know it had a name! hahahah As I mentioned before I have always eaten low carb for years but when I switched to this diet the change has been amazing. The only supplements I take are Vt. c and the b complex. be well Gwen Gwen, I also wanted to ask about your supplementation, or lack thereof! I guess you feel you're doing well without all the vitamins most of us take? (I sometimes wonder if I take way too many.) Carol .

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Yes! Don't you just love to hear the success stories? Carol

Yup they keep me going!

Gwen

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I would move the computer into a public place in the house for a start and be

nearby when he is online. That is good practice for parents anyway for a number

of reasons.

Regarding porn sites, i think people need to clarify their values on that. If

masturbation is ok, why is material that stimulates masturbation not ok? Maybe

it is the exploitive nature of porn, maybe something else. the thing is that

hormones are really powerful, and kids with a strong libido are driven to do

anything that they can to satisfy that. They are not going to take on

everything mommy says. Personally, i would explain my objection to pornographic

material and then supervise the computer. when my son had playboy under the

bed, i chose not to notice because i thought the results of having affairs with

pictures were less of a problem than bonking a classmate.

>   Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 21:11:33 -0700

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>Subject: Re: Oh, geez, please read and advise....

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>Cerulean danced around singing:

>>Went through the 'history' of sites visited and it

>>turns out my son (l4 next week) has been perusing

>>cartoon porn sites.

>>     I know he's at that age and curious and 'boys will

>>be boys' but...I don't want him using the internet for

>>that.  Guess I have to take a deep breath and play the

>>'heavy' of the 'parent' here, and tell him, and he'll

>>be mortified and embarassed, and I don't want to do

>>this without shaming him about being curious and his

>>sexuality.... I don't know how to handle this!

>

>My first thought is, why *not* use the Internet for it?  :^)  I used to

> " secretly " look at porn sites and read stories out of sheer curiosity as a

>teenager.  Before I had access to that, I snuck into my mother's room and

>look at the " dirty " parts of her romance novels.

>

>It's also entirely possible, btw, that he stumbled across a new very

>popular online social game that I also ran across this weekend.  It's part

>of a game where someone names a favorite childhood cartoon, like the

>Flintstones, and then the first person to find smutty images basically

>wins.  I was intending to play that tonight, in fact, because it sounded

>like quite a bit of fun.  You can find it at

>http://www.codehappy.net/bmemories/memories.cgi?action=0

>if you want to see if this might be what your son was looking at.  :^)

>

>Meanwhile...the 'net is useful for all kinds of information.  I'd say the

>healthiest thing you can do would probably be to just check up on *what*

>sites he's looking at and then maybe suggest, without confronting him --

>perhaps with a sticky note on the monitor? -- a website where he can learn

>more about that topic in an accurate, healthy manner.  One big site that is

>great for information on sexuality is Go Ask Alice

><http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/> which is written by Columbia

>University students and covers just about every topic imaginable.

>

>I don't think that confronting him as the " heavy parent " would help matters

>much.  If it doesn't work in everyday life with the kid, it's not magically

>going to start working now.  :^)  I'm not saying to avoid giving him any

>info, but most public schools have something resembling a sex ed program

>that scolds everyone about using protection when they're in the 7th/8th

>grade.  I'd say just leave a note up asking him to read a website -- for

>instance, one about how masturbation is healthy & perhaps how to do it,

>perhaps another a while later on about how to use a condom.  I think that a

>low-key approach would probably work better than flooding his brain with

>stressed-out lecturing.  *grin*

>

>Just my two cents from remembering myself at that stage, of course...  It

>wasn't all that long ago for me, as I wasn't " hormone enriched " until I was

>~20 and I'm only 26 now!  I am sure that my two male friends from my very

>early 20s remember me coming up with some startling personal questions when

>I finally started learning more than the rote-memorization stuff they throw

>at everyone in school...  *snicker*

>

>

> DeGraf ~*~ http://www.sonic.net/mustang/moggy

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>   Date: 04 May 2003 21:54:42 -0700

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>> Cerulean danced around singing:

>> >Went through the 'history' of sites visited and it

>> >turns out my son (l4 next week) has been perusing

>> >cartoon porn sites.

>> >     I know he's at that age and curious and 'boys will

>> >be boys' but...I don't want him using the internet for

>> >that.  Guess I have to take a deep breath and play the

>> >'heavy' of the 'parent' here, and tell him, and he'll

>> >be mortified and embarassed, and I don't want to do

>> >this without shaming him about being curious and his

>> >sexuality.... I don't know how to handle this!

>

>> My first thought is, why *not* use the Internet for it?  :^)  I used to

>> " secretly " look at porn sites and read stories out of sheer curiosity as a

>> teenager.  Before I had access to that, I snuck into my mother's room and

>> look at the " dirty " parts of her romance novels.

>

>I couldn't stomach romance novels, but I did read porn stories on the

>net starting around the age of 14, and started playing sex-based games

>on local BBSes when I was 10 or 11.  I don't think it's scarred me for

>life or anything, and when I was 11, it was just like any other video

>game to me.

>

>

>

>--

> " Humans aren't logical. They just think they are. " -Chuen Chan

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>   Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 21:40:48 -0700 (PDT)

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>--- DeGraf wrote:

>>

>> My first thought is, why *not* use the Internet for

>> it?  :^)  I used to

>> " secretly " look at porn sites and read stories out

>> of sheer curiosity as a

>> teenager.  Before I had access to that, I snuck into

>> my mother's room and

>> look at the " dirty " parts of her romance novels.

>

>-----------Heh...well, my only 'problem' is that when

>I brought up the sites he was looking at, other

>pop-ups came popping up, and those were a bit

>raunchier/hard core than the ones he was looking at.

>     And yeah, I used to sneak in and look at my dad's

>Playboys when my parents weren't around....

>>

>> It's also entirely possible, btw, that he stumbled

>> across a new very

>> popular online social game that I also ran across

>> this weekend.  It's part

>> of a game where someone names a favorite childhood

>> cartoon, like the

>> Flintstones, and then the first person to find

>> smutty images basically

>> wins.  I was intending to play that tonight, in

>> fact, because it sounded

>> like quite a bit of fun.  You can find it at

>>

>http://www.codehappy.net/bmemories/memories.cgi?action=0

>> if you want to see if this might be what your son

>> was looking at.  :^)

>

>------------thanks for the link, I'll look....one site

>did have Barney and Betty and  Fred and Wilma in a

>foursome, so maybe that was it?!

>>

>> Meanwhile...the 'net is useful for all kinds of

>> information.  I'd say the

>> healthiest thing you can do would probably be to

>> just check up on *what*

>> sites he's looking at and then maybe suggest,

>> without confronting him --

>> perhaps with a sticky note on the monitor? -- a

>> website where he can learn

>> more about that topic in an accurate, healthy

>> manner.  One big site that is

>> great for information on sexuality is Go Ask Alice

>> <http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/> which is

>> written by Columbia

>> University students and covers just about every

>> topic imaginable.

>

>--------Thanks for that link, I'll check it out!  And

>you're right, I'd like to collect some links that are

>informative also to have on hand...

>>

>> I don't think that confronting him as the " heavy

>> parent " would help matters

>> much.  If it doesn't work in everyday life with the

>> kid, it's not magically

>> going to start working now.  :^)

>

>----------Nor do I want to do that, really.  I'm just

>in shock, I guess, that I'm in this position, of

>'being a parent', and I want to guide him, not make

>him feel bad, but also would prefer he not look at

>more hardcore sites out there, just yet.... oh hell, I

>gave birth to him l4 years ago you'd think I'd be used

>to this 'parent' thing, but it's never really been

>like that, we've been like Two Beings...I don't know

>how to explain I just have never been very parent-like

>or something, but then he's been an easy kid to raise.

>

>  I'm not saying to

>> avoid giving him any

>> info, but most public schools have something

>> resembling a sex ed program

>> that scolds everyone about using protection when

>> they're in the 7th/8th

>> grade.  I'd say just leave a note up asking him to

>> read a website -- for

>> instance, one about how masturbation is healthy &

>> perhaps how to do it,

>

>-------------do you know of a good site on this??

>

>> perhaps another a while later on about how to use a

>> condom.  I think that a

>> low-key approach would probably work better than

>> flooding his brain with

>> stressed-out lecturing.  *grin*

>

>----------no, no lecturing, I don't know what I'd say

>that wouldn't be hypocritical if it came out in a

>lecture anyway...I just don't want him going to

>bizarre/perverse places.....

>>

>> Just my two cents from remembering myself at that

>> stage, of course...  It

>> wasn't all that long ago for me, as I wasn't

>> " hormone enriched " until I was

>> ~20 and I'm only 26 now!  I am sure that my two male

>> friends from my very

>> early 20s remember me coming up with some startling

>> personal questions when

>> I finally started learning more than the

>> rote-memorization stuff they throw

>> at everyone in school...  *snicker*

>

>---------thanks for the info.... Another thing I

>wonder is whether this is a good idea for him to do

>before he goes to school in the a.m.?   I'd think it

>might keep him distracted from focusing on his school

>work, and would be better if he looked at stuff at a

>different time of day.   Oy, oy, oy.....

>Nanne

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>   Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 21:44:38 -0700 (PDT)

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> > I couldn't stomach romance novels, but I did read

>> porn stories on the

>> net starting around the age of 14, and started

>> playing sex-based games

>> on local BBSes when I was 10 or 11.  I don't think

>> it's scarred me for

>> life or anything, and when I was 11, it was just

>> like any other video

>> game to me.

>>

>>

>>

> ------------What are sex-based games, and what are

>BBSes?  

>thanks,

>Nanne

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>   Date: 04 May 2003 22:16:55 -0700

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>>  ------------What are sex-based games, and what are

>> BBSes?  

>

>BBS stands for " bulletin board system " .  They were more popular about 10

>years ago and further back than that.  People (known as " sysops " ) would

>run them usually out of their home.  You could call in and do various

>things -- leave messages on discussion boards, play games, and on the

>multi-user kind you could usually chat with other users.  (Some had only

>one phone line, so only one person could log on at once.)

>

>There were some games on some BBSes that were considered " adult games " .

>For instance, there was one in which the introduction screen would

>either be an ASCII-art vagina or penis.  Your character would go around

>trying to have sex with as many other characters as possible.  (A text

>description was printed on the screen, because it was mainly a

>text-based game.)  You gained points for successful sex, and lost points

>for unsuccessful sex.  You carried around various defensive items ( " cold

>shoulder " and the like), and various things that would increase the

>likelihood of attraction and therefore sex.

>

>I played those games a lot, along with various other games that had

>sexual innuendo but were not as blatant as that one (for example, there

>was one in which there was a tree called a " dickfir " , and if you rubbed

>the tree it would ejaculate).  And there were other games that were not

> " naughty " at all.

>

>If my parents had been clueful enough about computers to know what I was

>doing on them, I don't know if I'd have been allowed to use computers.

>

>

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>Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. [Whatever is said in Latin

>sounds profound.]

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>   Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:50:17 +0800

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>my first thought was thank goodness it wasn't hard core porn sites.  on

>second thought i don't know how i would handle this.  i hope others have

>more advice.  

>sandi

>sorry for the no caps - am typing onehanded with taryn on my lap.

>

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> Oh, geez, please read and advise....

>

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>>     Went through the 'history' of sites visited and it

>> turns out my son (l4 next week) has been perusing

>> cartoon porn sites.

>>     I know he's at that age and curious and 'boys will

>> be boys' but...I don't want him using the internet for

>> that.  Guess I have to take a deep breath and play the

>> 'heavy' of the 'parent' here, and tell him, and he'll

>> be mortified and embarassed, and I don't want to do

>> this without shaming him about being curious and his

>> sexuality.... I don't know how to handle this!

>>

>> Nanne

>>

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>>   " Let's go get drunk on light again---it has the power to console. " --

> Seurat

>>

>>

>>

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--- gprobertson@... wrote:

> I would move the computer into a public place in the

> house for a start and be nearby when he is online.

> That is good practice for parents anyway for a

> number of reasons.

----------It's in the corner of the living room, so it

couldn't be more public. He'd been getting up earlier

than me in the a.m. and going online.

>

> Regarding porn sites, i think people need to clarify

> their values on that. If masturbation is ok, why is

> material that stimulates masturbation not ok?

-----------I don't have a problem with that per se, it

was that, from checking into the cartoon porn sites he

went to, other, more hard-core sites came up in pop up

ads, and I really don't think he needs to be going to

those at all at his age.

Maybe

> it is the exploitive nature of porn, maybe something

> else. the thing is that hormones are really

> powerful, and kids with a strong libido are driven

> to do anything that they can to satisfy that. They

> are not going to take on everything mommy says.

> Personally, i would explain my objection to

> pornographic material and then supervise the

> computer. when my son had playboy under the bed, i

> chose not to notice because i thought the results of

> having affairs with pictures were less of a problem

> than bonking a classmate.

>

> >-----------I'm almost tempted to tell him to go

check up in the attic, where my fathers' stacks of

Playboys from the 60's and 70's still are!

Magazines are one thing, but the internet, who

knows what willpop up?

Nanne

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> >Message: 4

> >   Date: 04 May 2003 21:54:42 -0700

> >  

> >Subject: Re: Oh, geez, please read and advise....

> >

> >

> >> Cerulean danced around singing:

> >> >Went through the 'history' of sites visited and

> it

> >> >turns out my son (l4 next week) has been

> perusing

> >> >cartoon porn sites.

> >> >     I know he's at that age and curious and

> 'boys will

> >> >be boys' but...I don't want him using the

> internet for

> >> >that.  Guess I have to take a deep breath and

> play the

> >> >'heavy' of the 'parent' here, and tell him, and

> he'll

> >> >be mortified and embarassed, and I don't want to

> do

> >> >this without shaming him about being curious and

> his

> >> >sexuality.... I don't know how to handle this!

> >

> >> My first thought is, why *not* use the Internet

> for it?  :^)  I used to

> >> " secretly " look at porn sites and read stories

> out of sheer curiosity as a

> >> teenager.  Before I had access to that, I snuck

> into my mother's room and

> >> look at the " dirty " parts of her romance novels.

> >

> >I couldn't stomach romance novels, but I did read

> porn stories on the

> >net starting around the age of 14, and started

> playing sex-based games

> >on local BBSes when I was 10 or 11.  I don't think

> it's scarred me for

> >life or anything, and when I was 11, it was just

> like any other video

> >game to me.

> >

> >

> >

> >--

> > " Humans aren't logical. They just think they are. "

> -Chuen Chan

> >

> >

> >

>

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> >

> >Message: 5

> >   Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 21:40:48 -0700 (PDT)

> >  

> >Subject: Re: Oh, geez, please read and advise....

> >

> >

> >--- DeGraf wrote:

> >>

> >> My first thought is, why *not* use the Internet

> for

> >> it?  :^)  I used to

> >> " secretly " look at porn sites and read stories

> out

> >> of sheer curiosity as a

> >> teenager.  Before I had access to that, I snuck

> into

> >> my mother's room and

> >> look at the " dirty " parts of her romance novels.

> >

> >-----------Heh...well, my only 'problem' is that

> when

> >I brought up the sites he was looking at, other

> >pop-ups came popping up, and those were a bit

>

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