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I'd be interested as well. We had our yearly visit with Dr. Greenspan and he

suggested we try this for reading comprehension, which lately seems to be one

of two concerns in school. The other is her focusing ability. Her mind

wanders, but she always comes right back, so its not like her older sister

who is the poster child for ADD.

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> I'd be interested as well. We had our yearly visit with Dr.

Greenspan and he

> suggested we try this for reading comprehension, which lately seems

to be one

> of two concerns in school. The other is her focusing ability.

Her mind

> wanders, but she always comes right back, so its not like her older

sister

> who is the poster child for ADD.

>

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> Will There Be Refreshments?

we have seen the same Dr.Greenspan too, we do use this method

somewhat at our school as i bought them the books for read and math,

but i can't tell from them, because they use bits and pieces from

different methods-not purely mood Bell-my daughter is alm. 12.

you for whom it works -the ideas are good. Brighteyesgirl5

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Curtis went through their testing and we've been using their Verbalizing &

Visualizing curriculum at home. Their testing was very grueling, especially

for a child with a short attention span, but very comprehensive and helpful

as well. It really helps pinpoint specific areas involved in reading that

are holding a child back.

I do think the curriculum has helped Curt in his reading comprehension though

it has been a bit limited and can get a bit monotonous if the child moves

slowly with it. I'd think it (the V & V part of their program) would be harder

for kids who have a lot of difficulty with comprehensive and detailed

conversations, though is helpful in developing that skill.

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We are in the process of choosing between going the Dr. Fosnot route or

putting our son into LMB for his summer school program. Both testing are

expensive. OUr son is high functioning autism.

Any suggestions.

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I would think the best choice would depend on his current challenges and what

you are specifically wanting to address. I don't know much about Dr. Fosnot

so can't compare the two but LMB's strength is mostly in reading decoding and

comprehension. It will spill over into conversation, writing and the ability

to follow more detailed events. If this is what you are seeking help with,

it would be worth considering LMB. If your child's problems are mainly

comprehension, you could buy LMB's V & V curriculum book for about $50 and

perhaps do both.

Our insurance paid for the LMB testing. Not sure if insurance covers Dr.

Fosnot.

Gaylen

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As an SLP, I can say it depends on what you are choosing it for... if

the child is having reading problems, then I would suggest checking

with a developmental optometrist for vision therapy evaluation-- how

are the eyes working together. If you are doing it for auditory

integration, you might look into SAMONAS or The Listening Program--

both are relatively inexpensive. mood Bell DOES seem to help a

segment of children but I do not know enough about it to help you

identify if it is right for your child. Some therapists in our

district have used the program, and while they felt it REALLY made a

big difference in the child's performance on the mood TEST

itself, they did not feel it made a big difference in the child's

reading ability. BUT this is a school therapy schedule (my guess is

that they were doing it three times a week with the kids) and not the

intensive schedule that you might get by going directly to the

mood program/centers/private therapists doing it with the

child.

W

> Has anyone used mood-Bell programs and what kind of

> experience/results did you have? Thanks.

> Diane

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As I wrote on March 1, we have successfully used Dr Fosnot from a distance

for the past 2 1/2 years.

She does annual evaluations and sets a program for our local therapists to

work with. She is a practising speech pathologist, not a " program " so

can't be compared. She is however familiar with many different programs and

is best qualified to give guidance on what is best for your child, based on

her impressive credential of working successfully with children with many

and varying challenges. It is important to determine where your child needs

help first, and a qualified practising speech pathologist is going to offer

this.

Dr Fosnot, like any speech pathology or therapy is able to be claimed on

insurance - depending on the insurance coverage you might have - her

invoices are printed with this facility if you are able use it.

hope this helps

Re: mood Bell

I would think the best choice would depend on his current challenges and

what

you are specifically wanting to address. I don't know much about Dr. Fosnot

so can't compare the two but LMB's strength is mostly in reading decoding

and

comprehension. It will spill over into conversation, writing and the

ability

to follow more detailed events. If this is what you are seeking help with,

it would be worth considering LMB. If your child's problems are mainly

comprehension, you could buy LMB's V & V curriculum book for about $50 and

perhaps do both.

Our insurance paid for the LMB testing. Not sure if insurance covers Dr.

Fosnot.

Gaylen

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This is more of a general reply to a few threads.

I am terribly behind in my email.

I bought the lindamood Bell stuff for all the wrong

reasons. :) Luckily, I sold it and got most of my

money back. I bought VV because I thought it would

help with my child's syntax issues (which it didn't).

My child didn't have any issues with reading or

comprehension so... if you are buying it to help

with reading, then I hear it is pretty good. mood

Bell also has the LIPS program for reading and they

have various clinics where your child can go to to learn

how to read.

Time Magazine had an article on Dyslexia a few years ago

and there was quite a bit on how well mood Bell

did with those children. It is in this article if you

have a local library to go check it out:

TIME MAGAZINE:

July 05, 1999

Retraining Your Brain

How one company is using a new neurological

theory to ease language and reading problems

That said, Fast Forward is something we didn't use either,

even when we were convinced that our child had auditory

discrim issues. I know three children who did FF and I can't

say that the reports I heard from them were useful. One

child was " hyperlexic " and finished the course early and the

FF company allowed him to do the next serious at no cost because

he could finish it. She said that his test scores improved

but that she didn't see his overall language improve.

Another child had very VERY severe issues

with learning to read. He did the home version from FF on the

computer but the mom had to sit down with him and a second set

of headphones. There was little real improvements with him.

A third child that I know of was the same as the first child except

that he didn't whiz by the program.

That doesn't mean that FF doesn't work but given the cost,

I would examine if it is necessary.

If you are trying to teach a child to read, I know of several

children who have done well with the following:

1. Direct instruction, SRA www.sra4kids.com They are

expensive though.

2. Edmark (not my favourite to be honest with you because of its

site word emphasis)

3. At last a reading method for every child

(http://www.onlinereadingteacher.com/) The author of this book

will actually answer your questions via email as you teach your

child. Click on the message board and you will see that Pecci

does indeed answer questions you might have! I am using this

to teach some children without disabilities to read but I know of

a child who failed FF, hooked on phonics, edmark, and regular ed

school and was in the second grade and reading on a kindergarten

level. The mom pulled him from school and within a year, he went

from a k level of reading to a second grade level. Pretty impressive. :)

A.C.

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Hi all-could someone post the website for mood Bell? We have never heard of

it. Where are their programs located? Thanks.

Recovery- Hi Marcia Hinds!

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Everyone,

> > > I felt to compelled to email, it has been a couple of years:) I

> > guess my

> > > twin boys would be in the category of one " recovered " and one

> > almost there-

> > > they are entering 10th grade. I don't normally email because

> > Marcia Hinds is

> > > right, you tend to drop off the list or just listen because you

> > have been

> > > down that road before. Five or Six years ago Marcia Hinds

> > recommended

> > > and we followed through. Our boys were high functioning so while

> > we had our

> > > " battles " they certainly weren't some of the challenges others

> > faced. We see

> > > Dr. and we started just as he opened up his office in

> > Texas. Both my

> > > twins are driving and have the problem solving and critical

> > thinking skills

> > > of their age group. One twin doesn't need to be on antifungals,

> > the other

> > > still has yeast issues and I can tell from how tired he gets when

> > to change

> > > medicine. Marcia's last post was right on, it takes a while for

> > these kids

> > > to improve but slow and steady wins the race :) These kids do pick

> > up on

> > > higher cognitive thinking but medical intervention is only one

> > piece of the

> > > equation. You still have gaps and behaviors to work on and make up

> > for lost

> > > time. Academically my boys are at peer level with honor roll grades,

> > > independent work and they will go to college to be engineers. They

> > are

> > > indistinguishable from their peers and people are surprised when

> > the boys

> > > tell people they have or " had " autism :) It is a long journey but

> > people on

> > > this list will guide you. Stick with it. Marcia, thanks for making a

> > > difference in our lives :) Ann MacLaren- Indiana

> > >

> > >

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I think that is under Gander Publishing on the internet.............

From: Ann <annmaclaren@ comcast.net>

Subject: Re: Recovery- Hi Marcia Hinds!

groups (DOT) com

Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 1:41 PM

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No, insurance did not pay for mood Bell though I thought the Alabama site

had a speech therapist on staff and they might have been able to go through

insurance-don' t quote me on that. It is financially expensive but I have to say

it was worth every penny. It was the difference between them academically

succeeding. While it definitely depleted the vacation fund plus some, I took my

vacation everyday after school when I didn't need to help them and they built

the confidence and independence to work on their own. Interestingly my " normal "

ADHD daughter would not have been college bound without the V/V program at

mood Bell. Concept imagery is high risk in the ADHD poulation and it tends

to run in orphanage kids too. I have found that out with the two we adopted

also. My daughter has great work ethic but did terrible in math,nothing stuck,

tried tutoring etc. Interesting her math issues resolved and were more tied to

concept imagery. Now, my

autistic boys had no problem in math but had writing and expression problems. We

hit is hard one summer at LMB, did 160 hours/4 hours a day and it made the world

of difference. They were no longer back peddling in the classroom. Confidence

pays a big part too. When they succeed, it shows in so many other areas.

You can have your child tested at a mood Bell center. It is expensive so

you want your child to be somewhat functional in a classroom. If not, you may

want to opt until they get a little healthier on - it is a balancing act and

only you can make those decisions based on your situation. I am mentioning it in

case you have a center close to you and to file this information for the future.

You will know when the time is right :) LMB is the only one who tests and can

track your child. LMB won't keep a child if progress is not made. I have had

contact with many centers and they are a good place to start. You can contact

Kendall at the Indianapolis center and she can answers questions too.

She has some children. There may be cheaper places out there but I can say

that LMB is a national researched based organization with quality control of

their process. If you want the best shot- I would recommend them. I have seen

others go to different

places but they end up back at LMB because the child makes more gains and

quicker. The whole idea is fill in the deficit quickly and move on. I never

understand how a child could catch up if they were only going to therapy 1 hour

a week for 18 months :) It is not to say other places don't make any gains but

just like DAN versus , I think gets the child closer to their full

potential. That has been my experience with mood Bell.

I think one day insurance will cover mood Bell because it really is therapy

and not tutoring. It probably won't happen quick enough for your children. I

remember back in 1994 when speech wasn't always covered for autism. I remember

fighting insurance because speech was as a 6 week brain traumatherapy- that's it

:)

> > >

> > > Hi Ann,

> > >

> > > Thanks for sharing! What other interventions did you do with your

> > boys, to

> > > supplement the protocol? Did you do speech, OT, etc>

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Kristy

> > >

> > > From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:] On Behalf

> > Of Ann or

> > > Dave MacLaren

> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:32 PM

> > > groups (DOT) com

> > > Subject: Recovery- Hi Marcia Hinds!

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Everyone,

> > > I felt to compelled to email, it has been a couple of years:) I

> > guess my

> > > twin boys would be in the category of one " recovered " and one

> > almost there-

> > > they are entering 10th grade. I don't normally email because

> > Marcia Hinds is

> > > right, you tend to drop off the list or just listen because you

> > have been

> > > down that road before. Five or Six years ago Marcia Hinds

> > recommended

> > > and we followed through. Our boys were high functioning so while

> > we had our

> > > " battles " they certainly weren't some of the challenges others

> > faced. We see

> > > Dr. and we started just as he opened up his office in

> > Texas. Both my

> > > twins are driving and have the problem solving and critical

> > thinking skills

> > > of their age group. One twin doesn't need to be on antifungals,

> > the other

> > > still has yeast issues and I can tell from how tired he gets when

> > to change

> > > medicine. Marcia's last post was right on, it takes a while for

> > these kids

> > > to improve but slow and steady wins the race :) These kids do pick

> > up on

> > > higher cognitive thinking but medical intervention is only one

> > piece of the

> > > equation. You still have gaps and behaviors to work on and make up

> > for lost

> > > time. Academically my boys are at peer level with honor roll grades,

> > > independent work and they will go to college to be engineers. They

> > are

> > > indistinguishable from their peers and people are surprised when

> > the boys

> > > tell people they have or " had " autism :) It is a long journey but

> > people on

> > > this list will guide you. Stick with it. Marcia, thanks for making a

> > > difference in our lives :) Ann MacLaren- Indiana

> > >

> > >

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http://www.lindamoodbell.com/

> > > >

> > > > Hi Ann,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for sharing! What other interventions did you do with your

> > > boys, to

> > > > supplement the protocol? Did you do speech, OT, etc>

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > Kristy

> > > >

> > > > From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:groups (DOT) com] On Behalf

> > > Of Ann or

> > > > Dave MacLaren

> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:32 PM

> > > > groups (DOT) com

> > > > Subject: Recovery- Hi Marcia Hinds!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi Everyone,

> > > > I felt to compelled to email, it has been a couple of years:) I

> > > guess my

> > > > twin boys would be in the category of one " recovered " and one

> > > almost there-

> > > > they are entering 10th grade. I don't normally email because

> > > Marcia Hinds is

> > > > right, you tend to drop off the list or just listen because you

> > > have been

> > > > down that road before. Five or Six years ago Marcia Hinds

> > > recommended

> > > > and we followed through. Our boys were high functioning so while

> > > we had our

> > > > " battles " they certainly weren't some of the challenges others

> > > faced. We see

> > > > Dr. and we started just as he opened up his office in

> > > Texas. Both my

> > > > twins are driving and have the problem solving and critical

> > > thinking skills

> > > > of their age group. One twin doesn't need to be on antifungals,

> > > the other

> > > > still has yeast issues and I can tell from how tired he gets when

> > > to change

> > > > medicine. Marcia's last post was right on, it takes a while for

> > > these kids

> > > > to improve but slow and steady wins the race :) These kids do pick

> > > up on

> > > > higher cognitive thinking but medical intervention is only one

> > > piece of the

> > > > equation. You still have gaps and behaviors to work on and make up

> > > for lost

> > > > time. Academically my boys are at peer level with honor roll grades,

> > > > independent work and they will go to college to be engineers. They

> > > are

> > > > indistinguishable from their peers and people are surprised when

> > > the boys

> > > > tell people they have or " had " autism :) It is a long journey but

> > > people on

> > > > this list will guide you. Stick with it. Marcia, thanks for making a

> > > > difference in our lives :) Ann MacLaren- Indiana

> > > >

> > > >

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Also, mood Bell goes to other cuties for summer instruction. I cut and

pasted the last email I received from them just to give you an idea. Another

thought. If they can get a group of interested people together,they may even

come to you. The intensive instruction is really the way to go. It is not

regular tutoring. In a nutshell, their V/V program works on trying to get your

child to develop automatic imagery. Comprehension/ the gestalt is made of 12

words :

What, size, shape, number, color, where, movement, perspective, mood, sound,

when and background.

LMB work with these kids to expressively form and describe pictures using these

words until it becomes automatic. They then they move on to sentence by

sentence, then paragraphs, whole page, and then summarize. You will find that

your child's expressive language will increase because now they know how to

describe a picture or thought instead of saying " I don't know " . Schools don't

teach comprehension they just have you reread things over and over again. Seeing

the " big picture " is the foundation for critical thinking and problem solving

because then you can anticipate what will happen next.Pacing and knowing when a

child is stable and can move to the next step also takes experience and that is

where I see other places fail. Some places don't do intensive instruction and I

can't stress that enough. At least try it- I know it goes against the grain on

how you are used to seeing your child lag behind in learning. Their instructors

switch out every 50 minutes and they keep the child engaged. It is hard to do

that at home for two to 4 hours. I took their workshops but really, this is one

of those situations where it is impossible for mom to do- trust me and I am used

to doing everything myself. I don't trust many people with my kids but this is a

place where you can. If there is a mood Bell center around you, consider an

evaluation when you feel the time is right. The evaulation process is an eye

opener to how your kids process information. It is totally different than the

useless information you get from school testing :) I have found in all 4 of my

kids that the data is pretty indictative to real life learning.

I think people under estimate how much we use comprehension :)Every parent has a

notebook check in their IEP because these kids always forget to bring home that

math book or folder, right :)I struggled with that for years. I found with my

boys once they completed V/V this was no longer an issue. I never thought about

it but you have to be able to summarize your days and mentally go through your

classes to determine what homework and what books you need to bring home. It is

the same skill set and summarizing a story or your thoughts. My PDD-NOS boys did

LMB the summer before 6th grade. I wish I found out about them sooner.

Here is the LMB email:

Summer has begun! Our Learning Centers are gearing up for what is shaping-up to

be a very busy summer season. There are still instructional sessions available

in most locations, but call quickly to reserve a space (800-300-1818). This

summer our services are also available in our Summer Intensive Learning Clinics

located in:

Birmingham, AL: Open May 11 - August 7, 2009

Baton Rouge, LA: Opening June 8 - August 7, 2009

ville, FL: Opening June 15 - August 14, 2009

Maui, HI: Opening June 15 - August 7, 2009

Ann Arbor, MI: Opening June 15 - August 14, 2009

Camarillo, CA: Opening June 15 - August 21, 2009

Baltimore, MD: Opening June 22 - August 14, 2009

Suffolk County, NY: Opening June 29 - August 21, 2009

West Hartford, CT: Opening July 6 - August 28, 2009

To learn more about these Summer Intensive Learning Clinics visit our website

at: http://www.lindamoodbell.com/learningcenters/learning-center-locations.html

Nanci Bell, On-the-Air:

Another bit of exciting news is that this Friday, June 5th, Nanci Bell will be a

guest on the Doctor Radio station broadcast through Sirius 114 and XM 119

satellite radio. Dr. Harold Koplewicz from the NYU Child Study Center will

interview Nanci. The program will air from 8am-9am, Eastern. You can learn

more about this program and where to sign-up for subscriptions online at:

http://www.lindamoodbell.com/doctorradio

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Ann,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for sharing! What other interventions did you do with your

> > > > boys, to

> > > > > supplement the protocol? Did you do speech, OT, etc>

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > > Kristy

> > > > >

> > > > > From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:groups (DOT) com] On Behalf

> > > > Of Ann or

> > > > > Dave MacLaren

> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:32 PM

> > > > > groups (DOT) com

> > > > > Subject: Recovery- Hi Marcia Hinds!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Everyone,

> > > > > I felt to compelled to email, it has been a couple of years:) I

> > > > guess my

> > > > > twin boys would be in the category of one " recovered " and one

> > > > almost there-

> > > > > they are entering 10th grade. I don't normally email because

> > > > Marcia Hinds is

> > > > > right, you tend to drop off the list or just listen because you

> > > > have been

> > > > > down that road before. Five or Six years ago Marcia Hinds

> > > > recommended

> > > > > and we followed through. Our boys were high functioning so while

> > > > we had our

> > > > > " battles " they certainly weren't some of the challenges others

> > > > faced. We see

> > > > > Dr. and we started just as he opened up his office in

> > > > Texas. Both my

> > > > > twins are driving and have the problem solving and critical

> > > > thinking skills

> > > > > of their age group. One twin doesn't need to be on antifungals,

> > > > the other

> > > > > still has yeast issues and I can tell from how tired he gets when

> > > > to change

> > > > > medicine. Marcia's last post was right on, it takes a while for

> > > > these kids

> > > > > to improve but slow and steady wins the race :) These kids do pick

> > > > up on

> > > > > higher cognitive thinking but medical intervention is only one

> > > > piece of the

> > > > > equation. You still have gaps and behaviors to work on and make up

> > > > for lost

> > > > > time. Academically my boys are at peer level with honor roll grades,

> > > > > independent work and they will go to college to be engineers. They

> > > > are

> > > > > indistinguishable from their peers and people are surprised when

> > > > the boys

> > > > > tell people they have or " had " autism :) It is a long journey but

> > > > people on

> > > > > this list will guide you. Stick with it. Marcia, thanks for making a

> > > > > difference in our lives :) Ann MacLaren- Indiana

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Hi Ann-Thanks for the post! The program sounds fantastic! I will call to get

more info. How old is your child and what great results have you seen with their

program?

Gayle

Recovery- Hi Marcia Hinds!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Everyone,

> > > > > I felt to compelled to email, it has been a couple of years:) I

> > > > guess my

> > > > > twin boys would be in the category of one " recovered " and one

> > > > almost there-

> > > > > they are entering 10th grade. I don't normally email because

> > > > Marcia Hinds is

> > > > > right, you tend to drop off the list or just listen because you

> > > > have been

> > > > > down that road before. Five or Six years ago Marcia Hinds

> > > > recommended

> > > > > and we followed through. Our boys were high functioning so while

> > > > we had our

> > > > > " battles " they certainly weren't some of the challenges others

> > > > faced. We see

> > > > > Dr. and we started just as he opened up his office in

> > > > Texas. Both my

> > > > > twins are driving and have the problem solving and critical

> > > > thinking skills

> > > > > of their age group. One twin doesn't need to be on antifungals,

> > > > the other

> > > > > still has yeast issues and I can tell from how tired he gets when

> > > > to change

> > > > > medicine. Marcia's last post was right on, it takes a while for

> > > > these kids

> > > > > to improve but slow and steady wins the race :) These kids do pick

> > > > up on

> > > > > higher cognitive thinking but medical intervention is only one

> > > > piece of the

> > > > > equation. You still have gaps and behaviors to work on and make up

> > > > for lost

> > > > > time. Academically my boys are at peer level with honor roll grades,

> > > > > independent work and they will go to college to be engineers. They

> > > > are

> > > > > indistinguishable from their peers and people are surprised when

> > > > the boys

> > > > > tell people they have or " had " autism :) It is a long journey but

> > > > people on

> > > > > this list will guide you. Stick with it. Marcia, thanks for making a

> > > > > difference in our lives :) Ann MacLaren- Indiana

> > > > >

> > > > >

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The mood bell website is www.lindamoodbell.com Gander publishing where

you would go to purchase materials. Having 4 kids through the programs, I would

not consider tryingthis yourself, you really want to setup the child for success

and it is hard to do from a parent end.

Recovery- Hi Marcia Hinds!

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Everyone,

> > > I felt to compelled to email, it has been a couple of years:) I

> > guess my

> > > twin boys would be in the category of one " recovered " and one

> > almost there-

> > > they are entering 10th grade. I don't normally email because

> > Marcia Hinds is

> > > right, you tend to drop off the list or just listen because you

> > have been

> > > down that road before. Five or Six years ago Marcia Hinds

> > recommended

> > > and we followed through. Our boys were high functioning so while

> > we had our

> > > " battles " they certainly weren't some of the challenges others

> > faced. We see

> > > Dr. and we started just as he opened up his office in

> > Texas. Both my

> > > twins are driving and have the problem solving and critical

> > thinking skills

> > > of their age group. One twin doesn't need to be on antifungals,

> > the other

> > > still has yeast issues and I can tell from how tired he gets when

> > to change

> > > medicine. Marcia's last post was right on, it takes a while for

> > these kids

> > > to improve but slow and steady wins the race :) These kids do pick

> > up on

> > > higher cognitive thinking but medical intervention is only one

> > piece of the

> > > equation. You still have gaps and behaviors to work on and make up

> > for lost

> > > time. Academically my boys are at peer level with honor roll grades,

> > > independent work and they will go to college to be engineers. They

> > are

> > > indistinguishable from their peers and people are surprised when

> > the boys

> > > tell people they have or " had " autism :) It is a long journey but

> > people on

> > > this list will guide you. Stick with it. Marcia, thanks for making a

> > > difference in our lives :) Ann MacLaren- Indiana

> > >

> > >

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My son attends sessions at mood bell in Pasadena CA. He has made great

progress in the program. It is somewhat similar to his current ABA program in

the way it is delivered. It is a structured somewhat intense program but very

effective. We are very happy with it. Insurance does not cover this type of

treatment since it is considered educational and not medical, however some

school districts with cover the cost if you can prove they were not able to

provide adequate instruction and therefore your child needs LMB in order to fill

in the gaps. (this is what happened in our case).

From: Ann <annmaclaren@ comcast.net>

Subject: Re: Recovery- Hi Marcia Hinds!

groups (DOT) com

Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 1:41 PM

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No, insurance did not pay for mood Bell though I thought the Alabama site

had a speech therapist on staff and they might have been able to go through

insurance-don' t quote me on that. It is financially expensive but I have to say

it was worth every penny. It was the difference between them academically

succeeding. While it definitely depleted the vacation fund plus some, I took my

vacation everyday after school when I didn't need to help them and they built

the confidence and independence to work on their own. Interestingly my " normal "

ADHD daughter would not have been college bound without the V/V program at

mood Bell. Concept imagery is high risk in the ADHD poulation and it tends

to run in orphanage kids too. I have found that out with the two we adopted

also. My daughter has great work ethic but did terrible in math,nothing stuck,

tried tutoring etc. Interesting her math issues resolved and were more tied to

concept imagery. Now, my

autistic boys had no problem in math but had writing and expression problems. We

hit is hard one summer at LMB, did 160 hours/4 hours a day and it made the world

of difference. They were no longer back peddling in the classroom. Confidence

pays a big part too. When they succeed, it shows in so many other areas.

You can have your child tested at a mood Bell center. It is expensive so

you want your child to be somewhat functional in a classroom. If not, you may

want to opt until they get a little healthier on - it is a balancing act and

only you can make those decisions based on your situation. I am mentioning it in

case you have a center close to you and to file this information for the future.

You will know when the time is right :) LMB is the only one who tests and can

track your child. LMB won't keep a child if progress is not made. I have had

contact with many centers and they are a good place to start. You can contact

Kendall at the Indianapolis center and she can answers questions too.

She has some children. There may be cheaper places out there but I can say

that LMB is a national researched based organization with quality control of

their process. If you want the best shot- I would recommend them. I have seen

others go to different

places but they end up back at LMB because the child makes more gains and

quicker. The whole idea is fill in the deficit quickly and move on. I never

understand how a child could catch up if they were only going to therapy 1 hour

a week for 18 months :) It is not to say other places don't make any gains but

just like DAN versus , I think gets the child closer to their full

potential. That has been my experience with mood Bell.

I think one day insurance will cover mood Bell because it really is therapy

and not tutoring. It probably won't happen quick enough for your children. I

remember back in 1994 when speech wasn't always covered for autism. I remember

fighting insurance because speech was as a 6 week brain traumatherapy- that's it

:)

> > >

> > > Hi Ann,

> > >

> > > Thanks for sharing! What other interventions did you do with your

> > boys, to

> > > supplement the protocol? Did you do speech, OT, etc>

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Kristy

> > >

> > > From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:] On Behalf

> > Of Ann or

> > > Dave MacLaren

> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:32 PM

> > > groups (DOT) com

> > > Subject: Recovery- Hi Marcia Hinds!

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Everyone,

> > > I felt to compelled to email, it has been a couple of years:) I

> > guess my

> > > twin boys would be in the category of one " recovered " and one

> > almost there-

> > > they are entering 10th grade. I don't normally email because

> > Marcia Hinds is

> > > right, you tend to drop off the list or just listen because you

> > have been

> > > down that road before. Five or Six years ago Marcia Hinds

> > recommended

> > > and we followed through. Our boys were high functioning so while

> > we had our

> > > " battles " they certainly weren't some of the challenges others

> > faced. We see

> > > Dr. and we started just as he opened up his office in

> > Texas. Both my

> > > twins are driving and have the problem solving and critical

> > thinking skills

> > > of their age group. One twin doesn't need to be on antifungals,

> > the other

> > > still has yeast issues and I can tell from how tired he gets when

> > to change

> > > medicine. Marcia's last post was right on, it takes a while for

> > these kids

> > > to improve but slow and steady wins the race :) These kids do pick

> > up on

> > > higher cognitive thinking but medical intervention is only one

> > piece of the

> > > equation. You still have gaps and behaviors to work on and make up

> > for lost

> > > time. Academically my boys are at peer level with honor roll grades,

> > > independent work and they will go to college to be engineers. They

> > are

> > > indistinguishable from their peers and people are surprised when

> > the boys

> > > tell people they have or " had " autism :) It is a long journey but

> > people on

> > > this list will guide you. Stick with it. Marcia, thanks for making a

> > > difference in our lives :) Ann MacLaren- Indiana

> > >

> > >

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Eileen, LMB in California would not consider anything less than one hour per

day, minimum. When I talked to the folks here in London, it was the same. And,

I was quoted 100 pounds per hour (last year). That makes it 2000pounds per

month just for LMB tuition.

My position is that it is a good program (though it helped my daughter in a very

tangential way, not directly), but one needs to budget for at least a couple of

years. Since this puts it out of reach for a lot of people, the manual plus a

few other items, or the whole kit, is an option worth considering.

Radhe

>

> Aargi - I think two sessions a week at £100 is expensive and out of a lot of

folks' reach. Having said that, these people seemed to be great with my boy.

They had the interaction down pat, as you mention, which a lot of SALTs don't in

the UK when dealing with autism. (Don't all beat me up, some do! :)) If you've

had some training in it the home kit could be useful. You quote a cost of $379

for the kit but it is only available in US and with customs duty would have run

over $500 with international shipping. I checked it out. I love the theory

behind LB and wasn't suggesting its a rip off - but I budget on a three month

term and that works out at about £3K. To get the benefit out of it you have to

keep it going as you say. I know one person who has done this for three years

with fabulous results.

>

> The London branch also want you to do a number of language tests, which OK,

you may be asked to do by any SALT, but in my quote that was another £1K. £4K

start up cost. Plus travel to London two sessions a week. Another £40 a week.

>

> If offered this or SALT, and the costs are comparable, I'd choose LB for my

son but that is an individual decision.

>

> I did like their approach and it is well founded in research.

>

> I agree with you about intensity this is true for most interventions where

developmental delay is concerned from what I can see.

>

> Apparently they are not training parents here whereas you can get training in

US?

>

> Despite funding for biomed costs, we still have to make sacrifices here to

meet overall costs and £4K isn't within our budget at the moment. That won't

always be the case though so definitely got my eye on this for the future.

>

>

> Regards

> Eileen

>

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