Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 11:07 PM Doug, Thank you for sharing your experience with this. I'm thinking it must've been a rather courageous act the first time you tried it! I'm almost drooling over your book from the 1860s; what a find. If and when you do create a web page on your knowledge and experience with poison hemlock, would you post it here so the rest of us can bone up on it? Meanwhile I think I'll go poking around some homeopathic sites and see if p hemlock is even available. To you, Doug, and the rest of the list members-----anyone who has further info on dealing with leg muscle spasms, I'm all ears. Sharon > Sharon, > > Actually, I am speaking of the full blown tincture of the plant. I > never > use homeopathic remedies but, perhaps, I should give it a try. I would > advise you to try using the homeopathic version first. > > I am a paraplegic and spinal cord injuries are known to produce major > muscle leg spasms. I take bachofen for them, but I am not happy with this > med. I have done extensive research with actual use of conium maculatum > (poison hemlock) and feel pretty confident in my views. My major discovery > was that most of the poison hemlock tinctures of the past suffered from > not > being too toxic, but quite the opposite, they were quite inert! Amazing, > amazing! To listen to the herb people talk, this tincture is deadly! Not > so. > It is extremely hard to produce a good hemlock tincture which will fix and > preserve coniine, the active component. P Hemlock has the unique quality > of > causing muscles to relax by beginning with the feet and working its way > upward. Should it reach the diaphragm, then one will die from affixation > which was Socrates cause of death. Key is not to take so much that it will > cause this to happen. I bought a rather rare book on the subject from the > 1860s which went into considerable detail on the therapeutics and making > of > conium maculatum. Cool book! When I mention to herbalists that I take > approximately 4 droppersfull of it as a single dose, they are bowled over! > Most think in drop dosages. The MDs of the past in the know gave large > amounts, but of course, there was a learning period for any specific > Poison > hemlock tincture, plus the metabolism of the patient. I plan to create a > web > page about it some day soon, but have not gotten around to it. > > doug > > > Re: poison hemlock > > >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 5:52 PM >> >> >> I use it for leg spasms. It relaxes leg muscles. It also has pain killing >> properties. >> >> ** >> NOW you've done it, Doug----------I need some this minute! I'm in rather >> severe pain with these leg spasms, and it's been worsening by the week. >> I'm >> submitting these poor legs to an EMG this coming Monday. >> WHERE can I get some poison hemlock? >> >> (I can just see telling my nearest and dearest that, yes, me'n Socrates >> share the same inclination!) >> >> ;-) >> >> Seriously, Doug, I assume you are talking about the homeopathic form? >> I have a sneaking suspicion that my local HFS is not going to have this >> on >> their shelves... >> >> Thanks for any direction on this >> >> Sharon > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Sharon, Some more thoughts on leg spasms. You might look into the chi machine. I bought one last summer and love it! There are many brands out there, but if I were you, as I did, I would try to purchase the original one, a Sun Harmony. Check it out at: http://www.chi-machine.net/chi_machine.htm They are rather pricey. I bought one for less than half retail on eBay. I use it every day. Secondly, look into EMS (electronic muscle stimulation). A good professional unit can do wonders with muscle spasms. Again these units can be pricey and I bought mine at a discount on eBay. These are all non-drug, mechanical devices that seem to help. doug ps. Check out lobelia inflata, if you want a good muscle relaxant of a " somewhat " more accepted herb, though lobelia has many detractors in the herbal community as well, but I consider it pretty safe. Re: poison hemlock > > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 11:07 PM > > Doug, > > To you, Doug, and the rest of the list members-----anyone who has further > info on dealing with leg muscle spasms, I'm all ears. > > Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:05 AM > Sharon, > > Some more thoughts on leg spasms. You might look into the chi machine. > I > bought one last summer and love it! There are many brands out there, but > if > I were you, as I did, I would try to purchase the original one, a Sun > Harmony. Check it out at: Ironically, Doug, I was gifted with the Sun Aucon for Christmas. I had owned a generic model that 'died'. I love the chi machine, but just when needed most it is actually worsening whatever this condition is! Between the spasms in the thigh muscles, which I also had in childhood, there is a lymphadenopathy (as of the past 2 yrs) in the groin so my whole left side is being 'pulled'. If the EMG doesn't bring forth a diagnosis, the next step is to see an Infectious Disease specialist to find out what's going on with the lymph node. Meanwhile the chiropractor tries to " untwist " the pelvis..... Maybe everything is related to the pelvic twist, or there are a couple of different conditions to be dealt with. It all gets into high gear when I get in bed at night, the only part of the whole mess that seems somewhat related to Restless Leg Syndrome---thus the EMG. > > Secondly, look into EMS (electronic muscle stimulation). A good > professional unit can do wonders with muscle spasms. Again these units can > be pricey and I bought mine at a discount on eBay. These are all non-drug, > mechanical devices that seem to help. Something like the MagPulsar? I've been giving that one serious consideration but the budget is not agreeable. > > ps. Check out lobelia inflata, if you want a good muscle relaxant of a > " somewhat " more accepted herb, though lobelia has many detractors in the > herbal community as well, but I consider it pretty safe. More irony; I'm actually a Certified Nutrition Consultant. Even though I'm not a herbalist, I have a fairly good " overview " of most common ones. I may even have an old lobelia tincture somewhere in this personal " pharmacy " . I had never thought of it as a general muscle relaxant, but that makes perfect sense. Meanwhile the old phrase, " physician, heal thyself " keeps taunting me! Doug, your input is greatly appreciated. I think I will give the chi machine another try (I've been afraid of it since things got worse), but I'll use it early rather than late in the day. That might make a difference. Gratefully, Sharon > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:15 PM > >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 11:07 PM >> To you, Doug, and the rest of the list members-----anyone who has further >> info on dealing with leg muscle spasms, I'm all ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Sharon, Mmmmmm, I suppose everyone is different and that the ancor may not help you for whatever reasons. You might want to consider only using it for minutes at a time, in case you have not. That might help. Even more interesting about your lymph nodes! It does indeed seem to suggest something toxic to me, perhaps a pathogen. You might want to look into poke root. It is a superb lymph stimulator and has significant anti-viral properties. I love this stuff! Just note, you should use and make it fresh! The stuff you buy dried is next to worthless. If you need some, let me know. In the same vain, lobelia inflata tincture is very important on how it is made, too. You should only use the seed in making the tincture plus one must use an acid-diluted menstruum as well. Anything less will probably not produce a very potent lobelia tincture. Look to Dr. and Dr. Schulze teachings on Lobelia. They are the pioneers in using it as a muscle relaxant. They have used it effectively in all types of seizures and other neurological problems. I am not really familiar with a magpulsar. Just know that moving muscles can help stimulate lymph movement which may be vital in your case. If you don't move it with the chi machine, then you need to force yourself to exercise and look into finger manipulation. One of the most intriguing books on lymphology, Millard, Applied Anatomy of the Lymphatics (1922) can be downloaded free at: http://www.meridianinstitute.com/eamt/files/contents.htm There is some interesting stuff in it about " finger surgery " and may be of help to you. good luck, doug Re: poison hemlock > > Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:05 AM > >> Sharon, >> >> Some more thoughts on leg spasms. You might look into the chi machine. >> I >> bought one last summer and love it! There are many brands out there, but >> if >> I were you, as I did, I would try to purchase the original one, a Sun >> Harmony. Check it out at: > > > Ironically, Doug, I was gifted with the Sun Aucon for Christmas. I had > owned > a generic model that 'died'. I love the chi machine, but just when needed > most it is actually worsening whatever this condition is! Between the > spasms > in the thigh muscles, which I also had in childhood, there is a > lymphadenopathy (as of the past 2 yrs) in the groin so my whole left side > is > being 'pulled'. If the EMG doesn't bring forth a diagnosis, the next step > is > to see an Infectious Disease specialist to find out what's going on with > the > lymph node. > Meanwhile the chiropractor tries to " untwist " the pelvis..... > > Maybe everything is related to the pelvic twist, or there are a couple of > different conditions to be dealt with. > It all gets into high gear when I get in bed at night, the only part of > the > whole mess that seems somewhat related to Restless Leg Syndrome---thus the > EMG. > >> >> Secondly, look into EMS (electronic muscle stimulation). A good >> professional unit can do wonders with muscle spasms. Again these units >> can >> be pricey and I bought mine at a discount on eBay. These are all >> non-drug, >> mechanical devices that seem to help. > > Something like the MagPulsar? I've been giving that one serious > consideration but the budget is not agreeable. > >> >> ps. Check out lobelia inflata, if you want a good muscle relaxant of a >> " somewhat " more accepted herb, though lobelia has many detractors in the >> herbal community as well, but I consider it pretty safe. > > More irony; I'm actually a Certified Nutrition Consultant. Even though I'm > not a herbalist, I have a fairly good " overview " of most common ones. I > may > even have an old lobelia tincture somewhere in this personal " pharmacy " . I > had never thought of it as a general muscle relaxant, but that makes > perfect > sense. > > Meanwhile the old phrase, " physician, heal thyself " keeps taunting me! > > Doug, your input is greatly appreciated. > I think I will give the chi machine another try (I've been afraid of it > since things got worse), but I'll use it early rather than late in the > day. > That might make a difference. > > Gratefully, > > Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:15 PM Doug, You are a gem! reply interspersed......... > Sharon, > > Mmmmmm, I suppose everyone is different and that the ancor may not help > you for whatever reasons. You might want to consider only using it for > minutes at a time, in case you have not. That might help. You bet I will! > > Even more interesting about your lymph nodes! It does indeed seem to > suggest something toxic to me, perhaps a pathogen. You might want to look > into poke root. It is a superb lymph stimulator and has significant > anti-viral properties. I love this stuff! Just note, you should use and > make > it fresh! The stuff you buy dried is next to worthless. If you need some, > let me know. In the same vain, lobelia inflata tincture is very important > on > how it is made, too. You should only use the seed in making the tincture > plus one must use an acid-diluted menstruum as well. Anything less will > probably not produce a very potent lobelia tincture. Look to Dr. > > and Dr. Schulze teachings on Lobelia. They are the pioneers in using it as > a > muscle relaxant. They have used it effectively in all types of seizures > and > other neurological problems. I may contact you about the poke root. Somewhere I have notes on this. Meanwhile I spend about 8 months out of the year trying to get rid of all the poke weed on my property! I've often thought that I should be digging up the root and saving it. Do you also make the lobelia tincture? I have 's huge 'tome' on all his remedies, and am somewhat familiar with Schulze. I first learned about lobelia from Jethro Kloss--- " Back to Eden " , I think. BTW, would Schulze have a lobelia tincture that would be " worth " purchasing? > > I am not really familiar with a magpulsar. Just know that moving > muscles > can help stimulate lymph movement which may be vital in your case. If you > don't move it with the chi machine, then you need to force yourself to > exercise and look into finger manipulation. > > One of the most intriguing books on lymphology, Millard, Applied > Anatomy > of the Lymphatics (1922) can be downloaded free at: > > http://www.meridianinstitute.com/eamt/files/contents.htm > I don't believe this! That looked so familiar that I spent the last 30 minutes digging thru piles of books. Yep, there it was. I actually bought this from some offbeat source a few years ago, tucked it away, and forgot about it. It is now sitting on my nightstand! Force myself to exercise? You're right, " force " is the way to put it to me (are you reading this, Donna? Are you laughing yet?) Ok, some chi machine time coming up----not to mention the rebounder. A million thanks for such good direction Doug! I'll let you know if I start seeing some improvement Sharon, in blizzard country tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Sharon, If you have poke growing under your snow drifts, the root system is probably still there. If you can detect where you cut the top plant off, dig your own. Actually, this is the time of year to harvest the fresh root. When the snow melts, try to dig some up. You might try tincturing poke root as a DMSO menstruum. It makes a great topical lymphatic paint. Paint it over your affected node regions. Yes, I do make my own lobelia tincture. It is virtually impossible to buy the potent stuff commercially. There have been too many scare PR presentations about it for anyone to want to take a chance of law suits. I would guess, if you had to buy a lobelia tincture, that the and Schulze companies would be the ones to buy from. When you take it, the potent stuff should make your throat feel scratchy. If it does not, it is impotent! I think most of the lobelia work of these two gentlemen can be best found in Sam Biser's works that showcased these two. Lobelia is hit hard in it. I don't think 's book gave Lobelia much time or study as I recall. doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 starshar wrote: > > > More irony; I'm actually a Certified Nutrition Consultant. Even though I'm > not a herbalist, I have a fairly good " overview " of most common ones. I may > even have an old lobelia tincture somewhere in this personal " pharmacy " . I > had never thought of it as a general muscle relaxant, but that makes perfect > sense. > I use Lobelia for the muscle spasms of asthma and it is also for spastic colon. Often just a light application down the spine works for the two people in my family with these conditions. With a really bad asthma attack I have used it internally on a 120 lb teenager. It worked very well in eliminating a fairly severe attack triggered by heavy mold. Garnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Absolutely, stretching is very good! I think the chi machine helps stretch to some degree! I have used nutritional yeast for muscle problems as Dr. Schulze suggests and it might help. Maybe. Also I have used Milk of Magnesia for a cheap source of Magnesium and it might help, too. Maybe. (:>) doug ps. Orgasms can do wonders as well. AMEN! Re: poison hemlock > Have you ever looked at the book Pain Free by Pete Egoscue? I've > personally > seen it work miracles for pain and it's just simple stretching > " exercises " . > Doesn't sound like it can work, I know, because most people will say they > are unable to exercise cause of the pain. But it's not exercising, hard to > explain. But the book is a paperback available in most every book store. > Go > take a look at it. > > And many times muscle spasms will stop with the addition of magnesium to > the > diet. You can try drinknig one or two tablespoons of epsom salts in a > glass > of water twice a day, or take epsom salt baths, or use Masters Miracle 2 > products as this puts magnesium directly into the system--though epsom > salts > are much cheaper (just tastes nastier!!) > > samala > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 MOM is better than epsom salts, more absorbable. Epsom is Mg sulfate, goes straight through ya for the most part. MOM is a laxataive too but not as much. Eating more greens, nuts, beans and other high Mg food is the best way to deal with Mg deficiency. The minerals are in balance and are many times more absorbable, and utilizable since the other mins are there too. Silicon is very important to Mg absorption AND utilization, so much so that when added to the diet of 2 YO in Training or Brood mares with foals in two studies and U of WI the injuries and time to recover were significantly improved over control. The form of Si used was metallic, it was zeolite. Better to use a plant based form and for people that is onions, nettles, oat straw and horse tail (shave grass), whole grains, probably others but those are the richest foods. Try eating a bunch of onions, more raw than cooked, or slightly cooked. Your fingernails will tell the results, will grow thicker and faster when you are getting significantly more Si. Janet d.a. wrote: > Absolutely, stretching is very good! I think the chi machine helps stretch > to some degree! I have used nutritional yeast for muscle problems as Dr. > Schulze suggests and it might help. Maybe. Also I have used Milk of Magnesia > for a cheap source of Magnesium and it might help, too. Maybe. (:>) > > doug > > ps. Orgasms can do wonders as well. AMEN! > > > Re: poison hemlock > > > >>Have you ever looked at the book Pain Free by Pete Egoscue? I've >>personally >>seen it work miracles for pain and it's just simple stretching >> " exercises " . >>Doesn't sound like it can work, I know, because most people will say they >>are unable to exercise cause of the pain. But it's not exercising, hard to >>explain. But the book is a paperback available in most every book store. >>Go >>take a look at it. >> >>And many times muscle spasms will stop with the addition of magnesium to >>the >>diet. You can try drinknig one or two tablespoons of epsom salts in a >>glass >>of water twice a day, or take epsom salt baths, or use Masters Miracle 2 >>products as this puts magnesium directly into the system--though epsom >>salts >>are much cheaper (just tastes nastier!!) >> >>samala >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Responses to everybody Hi Gang I had the EMG today and am in a state of--------well, I'm not sure what state I'm in, in fact. The nerves in my legs checked out ok, but his testing pointed to the lumbar spine, L-5 to be exact. My chiro had made me get an x-ray of the lumbar spine a year ago and informed that I was born minus the last segment/vertebrae. The Phys Med doc today said he's recommending an MRI to see exactly what's going on with the lumbar area and suspects the usual culprits, like deteriorating disk, nerve pressure/derangement, and possibly an arthritic condition. He says that the life long history of the upper leg pain is probably from this congenital condition, though he wanted to change the " missing " disk to the possibility that I was born with it fused. I have to wait for my GP to get the report back and for him to order the MRI. The doc today said that most likely I would be prescribed physical therapy/aqua therapy and if that didn't work, ultimately surgery. Yeah, right. When pigs fly..... He doesn't think the lymph node problem is related, but I do. That's because that exact area has a history of " going out " on me, kind of a momentary weakness that would come and go once every few years. So, here I am trying to deal with this very unexpected dx. I have a lot of homework to do........ , I am only slightly familiar with Egoscue, but I will definitly look into it as soon as I get MRI results, if not sooner! Funny though, there's no pain or problem noticeable to me in the lumbar spine. Now I'm not sure if I'm going to stay focused on the Poke root or lobelia at the moment. heck, I'm not sure of anything tonight! Doug, I have some of the old Biser newsletters tucked away and vaguely remember that they contain some interviews----and some of the later ones with Schulz. Thanks! Garnet mentions lobelia for spastic colon; I'd forgotten that I got a dx of that many yrs ago. I like the idea of spinal application so I'm holding on to that possibility. I've been a user of various forms of magnesium for many years, so much so that a hair mineral analysis of about 15 yrs ago actually showed that I had excessive amounts, especially in ratio to calcium. Don't overdo it, folks! And now I think I know why the Chi machine was causing more pain; the sideways motion may be aggravating the lower spinal area. Damn! I love that machine. I'll see what happens after the MRI. And, um, Doug's " ps " note is noted. <G> The first thing I did when I got home was reach for a Standard Process product called Allorganic Trace minerals (I think they may have recently changed the name). It was specifically formulated by Royal Lee for anything to do with disk lesions/disorders. To that I will continue taking full daily doses of their Biost, which is a raw bone meal product, very hard to find these days. I trust SP enough to feel confident that there would be no lead in this. My occasional use of Horsetail will become a 3x a day routine. I haven't thought beyond this, yet, or researched. I am of course, avidly open to any and all suggestions! I am deeply appreciating each and every one of you terrific people who took the time to give me some very good ideas. You are all the greatest! Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Is there anyone in your area doing good craniosacral or osteopathic work? You might have to pay out of pocket but it often provides lasting relief. blessings....russell --- starshar wrote: --------------------------------- Responses to everybody Hi Gang I had the EMG today and am in a state of--------well, I'm not sure what state I'm in, in fact. The nerves in my legs checked out ok, but his testing pointed to the lumbar spine, L-5 to be exact. My chiro had made me get an x-ray of the lumbar spine a year ago and informed that I was born minus the last segment/vertebrae. The Phys Med doc today said he's recommending an MRI to see exactly what's going on with the lumbar area and suspects the usual culprits, like deteriorating disk, nerve pressure/derangement, and possibly an arthritic condition. He says that the life long history of the upper leg pain is probably from this congenital condition, though he wanted to change the " missing " disk to the possibility that I was born with it fused. I have to wait for my GP to get the report back and for him to order the MRI. The doc today said that most likely I would be prescribed physical therapy/aqua therapy and if that didn't work, ultimately surgery. Yeah, right. When pigs fly..... He doesn't think the lymph node problem is related, but I do. That's because that exact area has a history of " going out " on me, kind of a momentary weakness that would come and go once every few years. So, here I am trying to deal with this very unexpected dx. I have a lot of homework to do........ , I am only slightly familiar with Egoscue, but I will definitly look into it as soon as I get MRI results, if not sooner! Funny though, there's no pain or problem noticeable to me in the lumbar spine. Now I'm not sure if I'm going to stay focused on the Poke root or lobelia at the moment. heck, I'm not sure of anything tonight! Doug, I have some of the old Biser newsletters tucked away and vaguely remember that they contain some interviews----and some of the later ones with Schulz. Thanks! Garnet mentions lobelia for spastic colon; I'd forgotten that I got a dx of that many yrs ago. I like the idea of spinal application so I'm holding on to that possibility. I've been a user of various forms of magnesium for many years, so much so that a hair mineral analysis of about 15 yrs ago actually showed that I had excessive amounts, especially in ratio to calcium. Don't overdo it, folks! And now I think I know why the Chi machine was causing more pain; the sideways motion may be aggravating the lower spinal area. Damn! I love that machine. I'll see what happens after the MRI. And, um, Doug's " ps " note is noted. <G> The first thing I did when I got home was reach for a Standard Process product called Allorganic Trace minerals (I think they may have recently changed the name). It was specifically formulated by Royal Lee for anything to do with disk lesions/disorders. To that I will continue taking full daily doses of their Biost, which is a raw bone meal product, very hard to find these days. I trust SP enough to feel confident that there would be no lead in this. My occasional use of Horsetail will become a 3x a day routine. I haven't thought beyond this, yet, or researched. I am of course, avidly open to any and all suggestions! I am deeply appreciating each and every one of you terrific people who took the time to give me some very good ideas. You are all the greatest! Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Sharon, Since your diagnosis and focus seems to be going to the lumbar, let me recommend to you, quickly, the most interesting book, " Healing Back Pain " by Sarno MD. Sarno talks mainly about TMS (tension myositis syndrome). TMS involves the mind causing a oxygen depravation that results in various manifestations, many of which you seem to have. Also, KNOW, Sarno tells us that all of us have herniated disks! It is the nature of the " animal " when we age. According to Dr. Sarnos ( " healing back pain " ), once you reach 20, your last intervetrabal disk, between the 5th lumbar and the sacrum is more or less degenerated. He goes on to write: " It has been my experience that herniated disc material is rarely responsible for pain or any other neurological symptom. " Just be careful of diagnoses of damaged discs and the guessing that it is the cause of your pain. good luck, doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 I found Egoscue's book at www.abebooks.com which is a listing service for half price book sellers. The shipping is always a flat rate of $3.50 but they still often beat Amazon's new price. Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 I am thinking DMSO and also Emu Oil for that area, would help with pain and with inflammation. I have heard anecdotal reports of herniated disc pain being much reduced with Emu Oil, also arthritis pain as well. Between the two who knows how much relief you can get. Give it at least four weeks though. And maybe consider taking MSM, if you can add another supplement to what you already take. It also takes about a month and can be taken in large, like 8-10 grams a day, amounts. Emu Oil when tested was almost as penetrating as DMSO and carries substances into the tissues as well. Perhaps not as effectively as DMSO but I almost always use Emu before DMSO if for nothing else than to prevent defatting and dryness of the skin. Used it twice a day this past weekend on my knee which was tight and hurting from being on my feet at three days of dog shows from 6 AM to 1 AM for two of those three days. Garnet d.a. wrote: > Sharon, > > Since your diagnosis and focus seems to be going to the lumbar, let me > recommend to you, quickly, the most interesting book, " Healing Back Pain " by > Sarno MD. Sarno talks mainly about TMS (tension myositis syndrome). TMS > involves the mind causing a oxygen depravation that results in various > manifestations, many of which you seem to have. > > Also, KNOW, Sarno tells us that all of us have herniated disks! It is the > nature of the > " animal " when we age. According to Dr. Sarnos ( " healing back pain " ), > once you reach 20, your last intervetrabal disk, between the 5th lumbar and > the sacrum is more or less degenerated. He goes on to write: " It has been my > experience that herniated disc material is rarely responsible for pain or > any other neurological symptom. " > > Just be careful of diagnoses of damaged discs and the guessing that it is > the cause of your pain. > > good luck, > > doug > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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