Re: Son having trouble at school, school failing to implement 504

[Guest guest]

I am so sorry you are going through this! My daughter was just dxed on the spectrum but very high functioning in May right before she had turned 10! She gets high honor roll and she has an IEP now because of low muscle tone etc! Stacie BAurora ILSent via BlackBerry by AT&TDate: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:13:12 -0000To: <AutismBehaviorProblems >Subject: Son having trouble at school, school failing to implement 504 Hi all. I have an 8yr old son with dx's of TS, ADHD, and PDD-nos, anxiety disorder, and opposition. He was hospitalized for 3 months when he was only 4 years old and then stayed at a residential home for another 3 months. He also has a younger sister. We've been through hell and back, marital stress, etc. I've hardly been able to bond much because he had reactive attachment disorder, or so the doctors say. I just go through the feelings that I get so mad at him because he's like this, but I LOVE him so much (that I cry because it's so hard for him to show affection to us). He has tantrums when he doesn't get his way. He stomps his feet, hits the wall. He also has trouble following direction. I've tried EVERY kind of behavior modification and while they work, they only work for a short time with him. Last year (grade 2) we had an IEP. It took since before he was in K to get this IEP. Prior years it was just the 504. He does well academically, as some children on the spectrum generally are above in academics, but he has trouble staying focused, impulses, and distracting himself and other children. At our last IEP meeting back in March the school district told us that he was doing very well and had achieved his goals as in the IEP. They convinced us to go back down to the 504. I had some reservations, but they said they " could not have an IEP if a child is not failing academically. " I know they just don't want to pay because of district budgeting. What I am asking is: Can a child who would medically and behaviorally qualify for an IEP, but NOT academically qualify, still get the IEP?? I know we're getting " ganged up on " by the school system, but just can't keep fighting a losing battle with my son's " team " . I've researched for many years, and know what the process is, but I just don't know HOW to get the ball rolling again. I'm frustrated dealing with this. I need someone who knows how to work with the " system " and knows what to say at the right time at our meetings. How do I get him back on the IEP. His 504 states that if he shows signs of decline, that we will have a review meeting. Any feedback/advice would be appreciated. I'm ready to have a nervous breakdown :/

[Guest guest]

I just need to know if it's possible to have them reinstate the IEP

for his specific behaviors related to his diagnosis even if he has

good grades?

They were taking away recess time. I told them last week absolutely do

not do that, to find an alternative consequence. Now today they say

that taking recess time away worked and they want to implement that

again because the log said he allegedly " choked " another classmate

today (son said he hit with his arm and the other kid twisted his arm)

so I don't know if the teacher is just exaggerating this or what?

Every thing she writes in the log is negative and it doesn't seem like

she has the experience to handle a child like mine.

I don't know what my next step is right now. I want a paper trail but

is now the time to put in writing that we want the substitute OT to do

an evaluation? Do I need an ABA? It's been a couple years since we've

done all these evals.

>

> I am so sorry you are going through this! My daughter was just dxed

on the spectrum but very high functioning in May right before she had

turned 10! She gets high honor roll and she has an IEP now because of

low muscle tone etc!

> Stacie B

> Aurora IL

> Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

>

> Son having trouble at school, school failing

to implement 504

>

>

> Hi all.

> I have an 8yr old son with dx's of TS, ADHD, and PDD-nos, anxiety

> disorder, and opposition. He was hospitalized for 3 months when he was

> only 4 years old and then stayed at a residential home for another 3

> months. He also has a younger sister. We've been through hell and

> back, marital stress, etc. I've hardly been able to bond much because

> he had reactive attachment disorder, or so the doctors say. I just go

> through the feelings that I get so mad at him because he's like this,

> but I LOVE him so much (that I cry because it's so hard for him to

> show affection to us). He has tantrums when he doesn't get his way. He

> stomps his feet, hits the wall. He also has trouble following

> direction. I've tried EVERY kind of behavior modification and while

> they work, they only work for a short time with him.

>

> Last year (grade 2) we had an IEP. It took since before he was in K to

> get this IEP. Prior years it was just the 504. He does well

> academically, as some children on the spectrum generally are above in

> academics, but he has trouble staying focused, impulses, and

> distracting himself and other children.

>

> At our last IEP meeting back in March the school district told us that

> he was doing very well and had achieved his goals as in the IEP. They

> convinced us to go back down to the 504. I had some reservations, but

> they said they " could not have an IEP if a child is not failing

> academically. " I know they just don't want to pay because of district

> budgeting.

>

> What I am asking is:

>

> Can a child who would medically and behaviorally qualify for an IEP,

> but NOT academically qualify, still get the IEP??

>

> I know we're getting " ganged up on " by the school system, but just

> can't keep fighting a losing battle with my son's " team " . I've

> researched for many years, and know what the process is, but I just

> don't know HOW to get the ball rolling again. I'm frustrated dealing

> with this.

>

> I need someone who knows how to work with the " system " and knows what

> to say at the right time at our meetings.

>

> How do I get him back on the IEP. His 504 states that if he shows

> signs of decline, that we will have a review meeting.

>

> Any feedback/advice would be appreciated. I'm ready to have a nervous

> breakdown :/

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,there may be other ways but I know this one works. It will get the

district/school to implement your requests. File a civil rights

complaint for discrimination or similar grounds. The investigation

will bring you into mediation. Thats when you make your requests as a

good faith action to drop the formal complaint allegations. You can

file the complaint online. Its part of the " no child left behind "

act. Go to civilrights.edu.gov You can also contact your special

education ombudsman for your area. They can bring you into mediation.

Once you take an action with either of theese parties they will get

your request met. I hope this info helps you. Its so hard and takes

so much energy to fight for what our children need. Its very

stressfull. Hang in there,your not alone in this battle.

Best wishes to you and your family,

Tishanne

>

> Hi all.

> I have an 8yr old son with dx's of TS, ADHD, and PDD-nos, anxiety

> disorder, and opposition. He was hospitalized for 3 months when he

was

> only 4 years old and then stayed at a residential home for another 3

> months. He also has a younger sister. We've been through hell and

> back, marital stress, etc. I've hardly been able to bond much

because

> he had reactive attachment disorder, or so the doctors say. I just

go

> through the feelings that I get so mad at him because he's like

this,

> but I LOVE him so much (that I cry because it's so hard for him to

> show affection to us). He has tantrums when he doesn't get his way.

He

> stomps his feet, hits the wall. He also has trouble following

> direction. I've tried EVERY kind of behavior modification and while

> they work, they only work for a short time with him.

>

> Last year (grade 2) we had an IEP. It took since before he was in K

to

> get this IEP. Prior years it was just the 504. He does well

> academically, as some children on the spectrum generally are above

in

> academics, but he has trouble staying focused, impulses, and

> distracting himself and other children.

>

> At our last IEP meeting back in March the school district told us

that

> he was doing very well and had achieved his goals as in the IEP.

They

> convinced us to go back down to the 504. I had some reservations,

but

> they said they " could not have an IEP if a child is not failing

> academically. " I know they just don't want to pay because of

district

> budgeting.

>

> What I am asking is:

>

> Can a child who would medically and behaviorally qualify for an IEP,

> but NOT academically qualify, still get the IEP??

>

> I know we're getting " ganged up on " by the school system, but just

> can't keep fighting a losing battle with my son's " team " . I've

> researched for many years, and know what the process is, but I just

> don't know HOW to get the ball rolling again. I'm frustrated dealing

> with this.

>

> I need someone who knows how to work with the " system " and knows

what

> to say at the right time at our meetings.

>

> How do I get him back on the IEP. His 504 states that if he shows

> signs of decline, that we will have a review meeting.

>

> Any feedback/advice would be appreciated. I'm ready to have a

nervous

> breakdown :/

>

[Guest guest]

You should have received some PAPERWORK (DISABILITIES RIGHTS, ETC.)

when you had your child's IEP. Read over those papers COMPLETELY. It

will list your rights, etc. Contact you child's Doctor, or an Autism

Support Group, or even a LAWYER to advise you of those rights! You are

in the right to REQUEST an IEP! They can try to put you off, but if

they do, contact a lawyer or someone... Don't let ANYONE run you

over... This is some of the junk I had to deal with over MANY years.

I don't let ANYONE push me around anymore. Some schools, teachers,

etc. just want to get our kids " out of their way " because it's TOO

MUCH WORK FOR THEM. They'll also just pass your kids to move them

on... :-( DIANE

>

> Hi all.

> I have an 8yr old son with dx's of TS, ADHD, and PDD-nos, anxiety

> disorder, and opposition. He was hospitalized for 3 months when he was

> only 4 years old and then stayed at a residential home for another 3

> months. He also has a younger sister. We've been through hell and

> back, marital stress, etc. I've hardly been able to bond much because

> he had reactive attachment disorder, or so the doctors say. I just go

> through the feelings that I get so mad at him because he's like this,

> but I LOVE him so much (that I cry because it's so hard for him to

> show affection to us). He has tantrums when he doesn't get his way. He

> stomps his feet, hits the wall. He also has trouble following

> direction. I've tried EVERY kind of behavior modification and while

> they work, they only work for a short time with him.

>

> Last year (grade 2) we had an IEP. It took since before he was in K to

> get this IEP. Prior years it was just the 504. He does well

> academically, as some children on the spectrum generally are above in

> academics, but he has trouble staying focused, impulses, and

> distracting himself and other children.

>

> At our last IEP meeting back in March the school district told us that

> he was doing very well and had achieved his goals as in the IEP. They

> convinced us to go back down to the 504. I had some reservations, but

> they said they " could not have an IEP if a child is not failing

> academically. " I know they just don't want to pay because of district

> budgeting.

>

> What I am asking is:

>

> Can a child who would medically and behaviorally qualify for an IEP,

> but NOT academically qualify, still get the IEP??

>

> I know we're getting " ganged up on " by the school system, but just

> can't keep fighting a losing battle with my son's " team " . I've

> researched for many years, and know what the process is, but I just

> don't know HOW to get the ball rolling again. I'm frustrated dealing

> with this.

>

> I need someone who knows how to work with the " system " and knows what

> to say at the right time at our meetings.

>

> How do I get him back on the IEP. His 504 states that if he shows

> signs of decline, that we will have a review meeting.

>

> Any feedback/advice would be appreciated. I'm ready to have a nervous

> breakdown :/

>

[Guest guest]

That's exactly what they are doing. They said because he did so well

in 2nd grade that he didn't need the IEP anymore. WTH???

How can a child be " CURED " in ONE YEAR??????

We have more evidence the last few weeks that they aren't following

the 504, they tried to use losing recess as a consequence, I said

" ABSOLUTELY DO NOT use recess as a consequence! " Then the teacher

talked to the school psychologist who said to go back to taking recess

time away. This is a week after I clearly said not to.

I was told that is a violation of his civil rights. His impulsive

behaviors are a manifestation of his disability.

On Monday, I'm going to hand deliver my written request to have him

evaluated by the OT at the school.

He has been having a rough time since the start of school. I predicted

that was going to happen.

I am just so mad they manipulated us into leaving the IEP, they said

there was no academic failure and he didn't need any out of class

services, so he had to go back down to the 504.

Thank to everyone who replied. I am so upset about this, I can't even

sleep, focus, or work lately. (not to mention it's so hard explaining

in writing in just a few paragraphs)

> >

> > Hi all.

> > I have an 8yr old son with dx's of TS, ADHD, and PDD-nos, anxiety

> > disorder, and opposition. He was hospitalized for 3 months when he was

> > only 4 years old and then stayed at a residential home for another 3

> > months. He also has a younger sister. We've been through hell and

> > back, marital stress, etc. I've hardly been able to bond much because

> > he had reactive attachment disorder, or so the doctors say. I just go

> > through the feelings that I get so mad at him because he's like this,

> > but I LOVE him so much (that I cry because it's so hard for him to

> > show affection to us). He has tantrums when he doesn't get his way. He

> > stomps his feet, hits the wall. He also has trouble following

> > direction. I've tried EVERY kind of behavior modification and while

> > they work, they only work for a short time with him.

> >

> > Last year (grade 2) we had an IEP. It took since before he was in K to

> > get this IEP. Prior years it was just the 504. He does well

> > academically, as some children on the spectrum generally are above in

> > academics, but he has trouble staying focused, impulses, and

> > distracting himself and other children.

> >

> > At our last IEP meeting back in March the school district told us that

> > he was doing very well and had achieved his goals as in the IEP. They

> > convinced us to go back down to the 504. I had some reservations, but

> > they said they " could not have an IEP if a child is not failing

> > academically. " I know they just don't want to pay because of district

> > budgeting.

> >

> > What I am asking is:

> >

> > Can a child who would medically and behaviorally qualify for an IEP,

> > but NOT academically qualify, still get the IEP??

> >

> > I know we're getting " ganged up on " by the school system, but just

> > can't keep fighting a losing battle with my son's " team " . I've

> > researched for many years, and know what the process is, but I just

> > don't know HOW to get the ball rolling again. I'm frustrated dealing

> > with this.

> >

> > I need someone who knows how to work with the " system " and knows what

> > to say at the right time at our meetings.

> >

> > How do I get him back on the IEP. His 504 states that if he shows

> > signs of decline, that we will have a review meeting.

> >

> > Any feedback/advice would be appreciated. I'm ready to have a nervous

> > breakdown :/

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I can

completely understand your frustration and your desire to get good advice in

this area. I am a parent of a child with AS and I, up until just

recently, worked as a paralegal for an attorney that specialized in special

education law. I have since begun using my skills as an advocate through

my own non-profit because, unfortunately, where I live, it is rather commonplace

for the school system to lead parents to believe that because their child is

not “failing” academically, they do not qualify for Special

Education services. As I’m sure you are already aware, the truth of

the matter is every school system throughout the country is obligated by

federal law to identify your child’s specific needs – whether those

are academic, emotional/behavioral or social (it’s referred to as “Child

Find”) – and to address those needs either through an IEP (under

the IDEIA) or a 504 Plan (Rehabilitative Act). In my area, the school

system has a terrible habit of making the parents fight to get their kids

qualified due to emotional/behavioral concerns and then ‘disqualifying’

them after the child improves academically under the IEP that provided

emotional/behavioral supports simply because the child is once again academically

successful. It’s very frustrating for the parents, but especially so

for the child who is struggling. As an analogy, it’s like giving a

one-legged man a prosthesis and training him to run marathons, then stopping

him at the 12-mile marker of his first race, repossessing his prosthesis, and asking

him to finish the race.

The most important thing a parent must

remember in advocating for the child is that you must do everything possible to

preserve the lines of communication between yourself and your child’s

school administrators/school system because your child is likely to be involved

in that system for many years to come. Another analogy, you are married to

the system with no possibility for divorce (unless you plan to move) so you

must communicate effectively or you’ll have a devil of a time. You

need to prove your point without being overly aggressive or you’ll damage

those lines of communication and will be treated like a pariah every time you

walk through the school’s front doors. By showing a little ‘finesse’,

you can let them know that you are educated on the legal aspects of your child’s

rights and that you will ‘go the extra mile’ for your child without

becoming a ‘whistleblower’. Although going straight to an

ombudsman (and, honestly, I don’t even know if we have one of those in

our state) may achieve your purposes more quickly, it is likely to put a strain

on those open lines of communication you so desperately need to have with the

school system. I would suggest that you request a 504 meeting at which

you point out the emotional/behavioral issues your child is having and request the

system provide a Functional Behavioral Assessment (FBA) by a Board Certified Behavior Analyst (BCBA). Also,

request that the BCBA write a Behavior Intervention Plan (BIP) based on the FBA and work with the school in its implementation, providing

training to the teachers and staff in order to accomplish full implementation

and compliance. All of these requests are considered ‘Related

Services’ and are available under both an IEP and a 504 Plan. If

they comply with your request, then you have effectively given them forewarning

that you are advised and/or knowledgeable of your child’s rights without outright

slapping them in the face with a lawsuit and they will (or should) treat you

much better from here on out.

If at that meeting the school system chooses

to refuse your request, you should immediately ask for ‘Prior Written Notice’

(PWN) of the school system’s refusal to

provide that related service. Most of the time, a parent mentioning PWN is like raising a red flag for the school system that

legal action is imminent and many times the system will then back down and

provide the requested service. So, in an around-about way you are,

once again, notifying the school system that you have legal knowledge (or at

least that you’ve consulted someone that has given you good advice) and

you are giving them an opportunity to amend their ways prior to taking them to

task.

If after requesting ‘Prior Written

Notice’, the school system is still stupid enough to deny your child the

services, then you need to immediately take the PWN to an ombudsmen, your local special education legal

watchdog, or, I’d highly recommend the ACLU. The PWN will serve as written proof of your allegations that the

school system denied your child’s legal right to that related service and

under the law, there will be little the system can do at that point to disprove

that fact. Also, it is my understanding that since 504 is based on the

Rehabilitation Act (which is a civil rights law) if your efforts result in a

legal action, you can hold the individuals on your child’s 504 team

personally liable and responsible for any damages that have been inflicted upon

your child because of the system’s refusal to provide appropriate

services under the Plan. You will be aiming at their pocket book –

something most school systems will do anything to protect…

Along any of these chosen paths, I would recommend

you Document, Document, Document – every conversation, telephone call,

meeting, etc. gets recorded in a diary. This type of documentation will

go a long way towards demonstrating your ‘good faith’ attempts to

settle your dispute with the system prior to filing suit and will prove your allegations

should you have to ‘go the distance’ in this marathon. This

route may take longer, but it should prove effective and will give the school

system every (ample) opportunity to save face.

I hope I’m not just confirming what

you already now and that my reply helps you in some way…

Re: Son

having trouble at school, school failing to implement 504

Hi,there may be other

ways but I know this one works. It will get the

district/school to implement your requests. File a civil rights

complaint for discrimination or similar grounds. The investigation

will bring you into mediation. Thats when you make your requests as a

good faith action to drop the formal complaint allegations. You can

file the complaint online. Its part of the " no child left behind "

act. Go to civilrights.edu.gov You can also contact your special

education ombudsman for your area. They can bring you into mediation.

Once you take an action with either of theese parties they will get

your request met. I hope this info helps you. Its so hard and takes

so much energy to fight for what our children need. Its very

stressfull. Hang in there,your not alone in this battle.

Best wishes to you and your family,

Tishanne

>

> Hi all.

> I have an 8yr old son with dx's of TS, ADHD, and PDD-nos, anxiety

> disorder, and opposition. He was hospitalized for 3 months when he

was

> only 4 years old and then stayed at a residential home for another 3

> months. He also has a younger sister. We've been through hell and

> back, marital stress, etc. I've hardly been able to bond much

because

> he had reactive attachment disorder, or so the doctors say. I just

go

> through the feelings that I get so mad at him because he's like

this,

> but I LOVE him so much (that I cry because it's so hard for him to

> show affection to us). He has tantrums when he doesn't get his way.

He

> stomps his feet, hits the wall. He also has trouble following

> direction. I've tried EVERY kind of behavior modification and while

> they work, they only work for a short time with him.

>

> Last year (grade 2) we had an IEP. It took since before he was in K

to

> get this IEP. Prior years it was just the 504. He does well

> academically, as some children on the spectrum generally are above

in

> academics, but he has trouble staying focused, impulses, and

> distracting himself and other children.

>

> At our last IEP meeting back in March the school district told us

that

> he was doing very well and had achieved his goals as in the IEP.

They

> convinced us to go back down to the 504. I had some reservations,

but

> they said they " could not have an IEP if a child is not failing

> academically. " I know they just don't want to pay because of

district

> budgeting.

>

> What I am asking is:

>

> Can a child who would medically and behaviorally qualify for an IEP,

> but NOT academically qualify, still get the IEP??

>

> I know we're getting " ganged up on " by the school system, but

just

> can't keep fighting a losing battle with my son's " team " . I've

> researched for many years, and know what the process is, but I just

> don't know HOW to get the ball rolling again. I'm frustrated dealing

> with this.

>

> I need someone who knows how to work with the " system " and knows

what

> to say at the right time at our meetings.

>

> How do I get him back on the IEP. His 504 states that if he shows

> signs of decline, that we will have a review meeting.

>

> Any feedback/advice would be appreciated. I'm ready to have a

nervous

> breakdown :/

>

[Guest guest]

Do EVERYTHING you can think of to get your child help. Our children

depend on US. NO ONE will do anything for them if WE don't do it

first. Then, take a DEEP breath, and TREAT yourself to something NICE.

YOU deserve it!!! Many blessings, :-) DIANE

> > >

> > > Hi all.

> > > I have an 8yr old son with dx's of TS, ADHD, and PDD-nos, anxiety

> > > disorder, and opposition. He was hospitalized for 3 months when

he was

> > > only 4 years old and then stayed at a residential home for another 3

> > > months. He also has a younger sister. We've been through hell and

> > > back, marital stress, etc. I've hardly been able to bond much

because

> > > he had reactive attachment disorder, or so the doctors say. I

just go

> > > through the feelings that I get so mad at him because he's like

this,

> > > but I LOVE him so much (that I cry because it's so hard for him to

> > > show affection to us). He has tantrums when he doesn't get his

way. He

> > > stomps his feet, hits the wall. He also has trouble following

> > > direction. I've tried EVERY kind of behavior modification and while

> > > they work, they only work for a short time with him.

> > >

> > > Last year (grade 2) we had an IEP. It took since before he was

in K to

> > > get this IEP. Prior years it was just the 504. He does well

> > > academically, as some children on the spectrum generally are

above in

> > > academics, but he has trouble staying focused, impulses, and

> > > distracting himself and other children.

> > >

> > > At our last IEP meeting back in March the school district told

us that

> > > he was doing very well and had achieved his goals as in the IEP.

They

> > > convinced us to go back down to the 504. I had some

reservations, but

> > > they said they " could not have an IEP if a child is not failing

> > > academically. " I know they just don't want to pay because of

district

> > > budgeting.

> > >

> > > What I am asking is:

> > >

> > > Can a child who would medically and behaviorally qualify for an IEP,

> > > but NOT academically qualify, still get the IEP??

> > >

> > > I know we're getting " ganged up on " by the school system, but just

> > > can't keep fighting a losing battle with my son's " team " . I've

> > > researched for many years, and know what the process is, but I just

> > > don't know HOW to get the ball rolling again. I'm frustrated dealing

> > > with this.

> > >

> > > I need someone who knows how to work with the " system " and knows

what

> > > to say at the right time at our meetings.

> > >

> > > How do I get him back on the IEP. His 504 states that if he shows

> > > signs of decline, that we will have a review meeting.

> > >

> > > Any feedback/advice would be appreciated. I'm ready to have a

nervous

> > > breakdown :/

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,I share your stress. I have had the same experience with my son.

Loosing recess or being locked in a time out room. He never told me

and the school never had my permission. I made requests for an aid.

The school would not fund the aid but HIRED someone to sit outside

the door of the time out room. The school has never allowed my sons

autistic behaviors. He has been punished,abused because of them. He

had his feet stepped on by the teacher to stop his stepping ocd. He

had fist tapping on his head to make him sit still or remain seated.

He is yelled at. Everytime I fight to have his conseqence changed or

time limit reduced the school claims I have taken away their control

over my sons behavior. All their consequences with my sons never

changed anything. They keep saying its all behavior problems. He has

educational needs. They have been concerned with consequences for his

behaviors and slide him through the educational things. I am so mad

and stressed out over the years of turmoil. Its strange but my sons

have had the hardest time with the educational aspects of autism

while my autistic daughters have implemented education with little or

no trouble at all. They never lost a recess or anything because of

their behaviors. Our legal worker tells me that a case against the

school would be shot down in court because my child can not testify

against the adults or give usable conversation to the judge. This is

an outrage. Where is justice for autism and are autistic sons. I hope

we get answers soon. The system is worthless,time consuming and the

school gets paid to educate and accomodate the needs of our special

learners. Where is the justice for our children. Maybe we should ask

what the school requires of parents with autistic children.

Best wishes,

Tishanne

In AutismBehaviorProblems ,

" echo1017 " wrote:

>

> That's exactly what they are doing. They said because he did so well

> in 2nd grade that he didn't need the IEP anymore. WTH???

> How can a child be " CURED " in ONE YEAR??????

>

> We have more evidence the last few weeks that they aren't following

> the 504, they tried to use losing recess as a consequence, I said

> " ABSOLUTELY DO NOT use recess as a consequence! " Then the teacher

> talked to the school psychologist who said to go back to taking

recess

> time away. This is a week after I clearly said not to.

>

> I was told that is a violation of his civil rights. His impulsive

> behaviors are a manifestation of his disability.

>

> On Monday, I'm going to hand deliver my written request to have him

> evaluated by the OT at the school.

>

> He has been having a rough time since the start of school. I

predicted

> that was going to happen.

>

> I am just so mad they manipulated us into leaving the IEP, they said

> there was no academic failure and he didn't need any out of class

> services, so he had to go back down to the 504.

>

> Thank to everyone who replied. I am so upset about this, I can't

even

> sleep, focus, or work lately. (not to mention it's so hard

explaining

> in writing in just a few paragraphs)

>

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Hi all.

> > > I have an 8yr old son with dx's of TS, ADHD, and PDD-nos,

anxiety

> > > disorder, and opposition. He was hospitalized for 3 months when

he was

> > > only 4 years old and then stayed at a residential home for

another 3

> > > months. He also has a younger sister. We've been through hell

and

> > > back, marital stress, etc. I've hardly been able to bond much

because

> > > he had reactive attachment disorder, or so the doctors say. I

just go

> > > through the feelings that I get so mad at him because he's like

this,

> > > but I LOVE him so much (that I cry because it's so hard for him

to

> > > show affection to us). He has tantrums when he doesn't get his

way. He

> > > stomps his feet, hits the wall. He also has trouble following

> > > direction. I've tried EVERY kind of behavior modification and

while

> > > they work, they only work for a short time with him.

> > >

> > > Last year (grade 2) we had an IEP. It took since before he was

in K to

> > > get this IEP. Prior years it was just the 504. He does well

> > > academically, as some children on the spectrum generally are

above in

> > > academics, but he has trouble staying focused, impulses, and

> > > distracting himself and other children.

> > >

> > > At our last IEP meeting back in March the school district told

us that

> > > he was doing very well and had achieved his goals as in the

IEP. They

> > > convinced us to go back down to the 504. I had some

reservations, but

> > > they said they " could not have an IEP if a child is not failing

> > > academically. " I know they just don't want to pay because of

district

> > > budgeting.

> > >

> > > What I am asking is:

> > >

> > > Can a child who would medically and behaviorally qualify for an

IEP,

> > > but NOT academically qualify, still get the IEP??

> > >

> > > I know we're getting " ganged up on " by the school system, but

just

> > > can't keep fighting a losing battle with my son's " team " . I've

> > > researched for many years, and know what the process is, but I

just

> > > don't know HOW to get the ball rolling again. I'm frustrated

dealing

> > > with this.

> > >

> > > I need someone who knows how to work with the " system " and

knows what

> > > to say at the right time at our meetings.

> > >

> > > How do I get him back on the IEP. His 504 states that if he

shows

> > > signs of decline, that we will have a review meeting.

> > >

> > > Any feedback/advice would be appreciated. I'm ready to have a

nervous

> > > breakdown :/

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

When my son was in elementary (3rd grade) school, I remember that his

teacher asked me to come to talk to her about his behavior. Bronson

wouldn't (couldn't actually)finish his classwork, so she told me she

had been making him wait during lunch until he finished to join the

others... She said it would be almost time for lunch to be over before

he would get through. If I could have SUED that school for every thing

that their teachers and the Principal did to my son, they'd be closed

down at this point. Maybe I should have, but I just never did. I DID

however, get a few of them (teachers and Principal) in a bit of

trouble. There was a really nice lady that showed up one day for my

son's IEP meeting. When we had some time alone before the teachers got

into the meeting room, I told her ALL the problems I was having with

the Principal, teachers, etc. I noticed that she was taking down notes

while I was talking to her. Even the Principal popped her head in the

door and was REAL nice to this lady. After that IEP, everything seemed

to CHANGE... I NEVER had any more trouble with ANY of the teachers or

the Principal after that day. I will try to go back through my records

and see if I can find out WHO she was and WHERE she worked. I do

remember a couple of the teachers left right after that year. I will

see what I can find out. It might help you. :-) DIANE

> > > >

> > > > Hi all.

> > > > I have an 8yr old son with dx's of TS, ADHD, and PDD-nos,

> anxiety

> > > > disorder, and opposition. He was hospitalized for 3 months when

> he was

> > > > only 4 years old and then stayed at a residential home for

> another 3

> > > > months. He also has a younger sister. We've been through hell

> and

> > > > back, marital stress, etc. I've hardly been able to bond much

> because

> > > > he had reactive attachment disorder, or so the doctors say. I

> just go

> > > > through the feelings that I get so mad at him because he's like

> this,

> > > > but I LOVE him so much (that I cry because it's so hard for him

> to

> > > > show affection to us). He has tantrums when he doesn't get his

> way. He

> > > > stomps his feet, hits the wall. He also has trouble following

> > > > direction. I've tried EVERY kind of behavior modification and

> while

> > > > they work, they only work for a short time with him.

> > > >

> > > > Last year (grade 2) we had an IEP. It took since before he was

> in K to

> > > > get this IEP. Prior years it was just the 504. He does well

> > > > academically, as some children on the spectrum generally are

> above in

> > > > academics, but he has trouble staying focused, impulses, and

> > > > distracting himself and other children.

> > > >

> > > > At our last IEP meeting back in March the school district told

> us that

> > > > he was doing very well and had achieved his goals as in the

> IEP. They

> > > > convinced us to go back down to the 504. I had some

> reservations, but

> > > > they said they " could not have an IEP if a child is not failing

> > > > academically. " I know they just don't want to pay because of

> district

> > > > budgeting.

> > > >

> > > > What I am asking is:

> > > >

> > > > Can a child who would medically and behaviorally qualify for an

> IEP,

> > > > but NOT academically qualify, still get the IEP??

> > > >

> > > > I know we're getting " ganged up on " by the school system, but

> just

> > > > can't keep fighting a losing battle with my son's " team " . I've

> > > > researched for many years, and know what the process is, but I

> just

> > > > don't know HOW to get the ball rolling again. I'm frustrated

> dealing

> > > > with this.

> > > >

> > > > I need someone who knows how to work with the " system " and

> knows what

> > > > to say at the right time at our meetings.

> > > >

> > > > How do I get him back on the IEP. His 504 states that if he

> shows

> > > > signs of decline, that we will have a review meeting.

> > > >

> > > > Any feedback/advice would be appreciated. I'm ready to have a

> nervous

> > > > breakdown :/

> > > >

> > >

> >

>