Guest guest Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 Are you serious Ashok? I mean- you expect GOD to feed the hungry??? I do not " pray to god to wipe hunger and poverty out " because god helps those who help themselves- I do my bit and pray to god to give me perseverance in doing this. This is where all my raving and ranting about social enlightment comes in- we all must share what good fortune we have with those less fortunate. I feel sad to admit I know of not one friend/ acquaintance in my circle who contributes to this back home/here. I have tried so many times to make people part with their money/time for a good cause but given up every time. So I no longer do it. Munish- you remember SOS Villages? It is still alive and kicking where I am concerned. I do not understand what role my training in Public Health plays in my perceptions about life. IN fact, I have often seen the poor and the well to do brush off the inequalities in our world using words such as " Karma " " God's will " " What can I do?- I am only .... " " I do not believe in charities- they are all bogus " " First I will meet mine and my family's needs and then think about giving back to the world " - this last one really saddens me- when does our materialistic need ever attain fulfilment?? and why cannot we continue to work towards our material successes but also give back something to the society? My Faith ? It brings me back to Saranya's email some days ago- I believe in being a good human being and to me everything else comes after this or rather revolves around it. Sadhana '85 Hunger and GOD > Sadhna, > > I thought that being an SPM doc you would have a better perspective on this matter... > > I think the hungry and poor have the greatest faith in GOD because they sincerely believe that GOD will deliver them out of their misery.....one day... > > Where is superstition most prevalent ??? > > Who is more gullible to conversions ? > > Sadhana....you grossly underestimate religion...in fact I would like to question YOUR faith... > > I agree we should not fight in the name of religion... > > If you really care to wipe out poverty and hunger...pray to GOD daily and ask him to help you in your daily endevours... > > No hard feelings...please... > > Looking forward to your defense... > > Ashok ' 84 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Appros to the big discussion on Hindutva? GOD? Hunger? I would highly recommend everyone who have been enthusiastic (overly sometimes!) to listen to this wonderful song by Siza Roy as part of the album " Cry for Cry " by Jagit Singh, the ghazal maestro. Everytime I have listened to the lyrics I have been haunted for days by the song- I will give a try at writing the lyrics of this song appropriately titled in Roman English (An Indian Army lingo of writing hindi in English). " Maa, sunao mujhe woh kahanii " By Nand Lal Pathak The context of the song is that a small child is singing to her mother.This child has to go hungry many a times as her poor parents do not have enough money for the bare neccessaties of life like food. Maa, sunao mujhe woh kahanii Jisme raja na ho no ho rani Jo hamari tumhari katha ho Jo sabhi ke hridye ki vyatha ho Gandh jisme ho dhara ki Baat jisme na ho apsara ki Ho na pariya jaha aasmani Wo kahani jo hasna sikhade Pet ki bhook ko jo bhula de Jisme sach ki bhari chaandini ho Jisme umeed ki roshni ho Jisme na ho kahani purani Maa, sunao mujhe woh kahanii In addition, one should read the perspective's section Notes of a Surgeon. Dispatch from India in this weeks issue of the New England Journal of Medicine by Atul Gawande, a best selling author of the book Complications: A Surgeon's Notes on an Imperfect Science. He was a resident here a Boston hospital when he wrote his book and now is travelling in India in his parents home town of Nanded decribing what we see as part of our practice of medicine daily in India. In the context of illitracy, hunger, high infant mortality, access to safe drinking water (the Arsenic disaster in West Bengal and Bangladesh described as the biggest ecological disaster on this Earth), the looming AIDS epidemic, no control over vaccine preventable diseases- the rehtoric enamating from discussion on religion/ god/ Hindutva/ Christanity/ BJP/ Congress all pale in contrast. All this calls for deep introspection in all of us. Parthak Prodhan 85 Batch _________________________________________________________________ It’s our best dial-up Internet access offer: 6 months @$9.95/month. Get it now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Dear all, If you get the chance also see the advertisement by UNICEF (made three years ago). It shows a little girl of 6-7 years age playing with her friends on the street and when it becomes dark she goes back to her corner on the footpath and starts looking around desperately. After a while she finds it- she picks up a big stone and puts it down where she is going to sleep and rests her head on it.The advert moves one to tears- how can I put my hands on my lap and say " God deliver food and a safe home for this little one " ? New year is a time for worthy resolutions- there is so much need in this world for kindness- one that rises above man made boundaries. I hope this does not sound like preaching but when you have loaned me your eyes I might as well use the opportunity.I know many people in this group are socially conscious and do their bit but it helps to bring poverty out of thecloset and raise its profile. Sadhana '85 Re: Hunger and GOD > > Appros to the big discussion on Hindutva? GOD? Hunger? > > I would highly recommend everyone who have been enthusiastic (overly > sometimes!) to listen to this wonderful song by Siza Roy as part of the > album " Cry for Cry " by Jagit Singh, the ghazal maestro. Everytime I have > listened to the lyrics I have been haunted for days by the song- > In the context of illitracy, hunger, high infant mortality, access to safe > drinking water (the Arsenic disaster in West Bengal and Bangladesh described > as the biggest ecological disaster on this Earth), the looming AIDS > epidemic, no control over vaccine preventable diseases- the rehtoric > enamating from discussion on religion/ god/ Hindutva/ Christanity/ BJP/ > Congress all pale in contrast. > > All this calls for deep introspection in all of us. > > Parthak Prodhan > 85 Batch .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 The Q here is - did god create man or man create god? How easily we expect an invisible presence/ social institutions to take the responsibility. In my view each of us in this egroup (and the wider society outside our group) is responsible for making society a better/bitter place for ourselves as well as our fellow living creatures. Sadhana '85 Re: Hunger and GOD The big problem here is isolating religion / GOD from life and life's problems... Do you remember that song or many like them - " Hamko man ki shakti dena... " Who are you asking here...? I like the way Munish clarified this matter.....Let RSS/VHP do what they think is important....there are so many other social institutions who are napping on their job....and hence we have the sorry state of affairs.....you and Sadhana try to describe.... Ashok ' 84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2004 Report Share Posted February 7, 2004 Dear Munish, I have been doing such work since 1990 and belive me it is like lady Macbeth's hands- no matter how much I do I feel it is not enough and I should be doing more. I have overcome some of my guilt and ocassionally " enjoy " the fruits of my labour i.e. money but the vast inequalities that exist in some parts of teh world are unexcusable and always make me wonder why the human race is increasingly losing its conscience and ability to introspect? Sadhana '85 Re: Hunger and GOD > Dear Sadhna : > You are a Community Medicine Physician and your views are in tandem with the social responsibilities that all socially concerned people should have.I will suggest you that you start /join a sort of NGO which could do its bit towards the less resourceful people back at home,ie, India. And believe me you will do it commendably.There are many areas from which you can choose,for example education/literacy,health, women issues, poverty, etc. > Munish Raizada'85 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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