Re: DMSO and ears problem. Very worried, I'll appreciate any help...

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Paltal:

My guess would be that the DMSO has nothing to do with the problem. It sounds

like an allergy to something you eat every day. Try eliminating various foods

until you get relief. It can take a week to 10 days for you to see results so

be sure and keep a written record. I wouldn't obsess about the DMSO since I

think your problem is an extension of the original tinnitus situation. Each

person is individual and can be intolerant of almost anything. I cannot eat

wheat or anything with red dye. When I used to take orange-flavored, sugar-free

Metamusil I would get vertigo. Took me forever to figure that one out! Take a

close look at everything - especially things that seem innocuous or that you do

everyday unconsciously.

Beverle

[Guest guest]

I don't know... sounds to me like he reacted to the DMSO since it

happened twice, both times after using DMSO. Some people are allergic

to DMSO...

Paltal:

My guess would be that the DMSO has nothing to do with the problem. It

sounds like an allergy to something you eat every day. Try eliminating

various foods until you get relief. It can take a week to 10 days for

you to see results so be sure and keep a written record. I wouldn't

obsess about the DMSO since I think your problem is an extension of the

original tinnitus situation. Each person is individual and can be

intolerant of almost anything. I cannot eat wheat or anything with red

dye. When I used to take orange-flavored, sugar-free Metamusil I would

get vertigo. Took me forever to figure that one out! Take a close look

at everything - especially things that seem innocuous or that you do

everyday unconsciously.

Beverle

[Guest guest]

DMSO also burns on contact. I didn't see where he applied any oil

before applying the DMSO. Might of/could of done some damage. gail

> >

> > Paltal:

> > My guess would be that the DMSO has nothing to do with the

problem. It

> > sounds like an allergy to something you eat every day. Try

eliminating

> > various foods until you get relief. It can take a week to 10 days

for you to

> > see results so be sure and keep a written record. I wouldn't

obsess about

> > the DMSO since I think your problem is an extension of the

original tinnitus

> > situation. Each person is individual and can be intolerant of

almost

> > anything. I cannot eat wheat or anything with red dye. When I

used to take

> > orange-flavored, sugar-free Metamusil I would get vertigo. Took

me forever

> > to figure that one out! Take a close look at everything -

especially things

> > that seem innocuous or that you do everyday unconsciously.

> > Beverle

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I bought Nature's Gift 99.9% Pure DMSO (70%DMSO/30%Distilled Water).

Was it 99.9% or was it 70%. It cannot be both. It could be 70% made

from 99.9% pure DMSO. That is what I am going to assume for the sake

of this conversation.

> I remember that my skin started itching very

> much some minutes after the application, so I washed the zone with

> bottled water. I had a little rash in the zone, which subsided an hour

> after or so.

The itching was due to histamine release from the cells in the skin

called Mast Cells where histamine is stored. With continued use the

histamine that is stored there is depleted and that source of itching

and redness decreases, with continued use.

>

> This was long ago, and I noticed that since that day, for about a week

> or so, my ears feeled kinda " blocked " and I heard a sound inside my

> ears every time I swallowed (similar to the sound when your ears " pop "

> when travelling in a plane), maybe indicating an inflamation in the

> eustachian tubes. I was very busy during that period of time, so I

> suspended my experimentation. Those 2 problems (ears kinda blocked and

> sound when swallowing) lasted 10 days at most, probably. It is

> important to clarify that I did NOT feel any pain. I understood later

> that 70% concentration was too much for that zone.

This could be caused by many things. DMSO is anti-inflammatory and

reduces edema (excess water between cells). So it is unlikely that it

is a direct effect. Histamine release can cause edema. Edema can cause

swelling and blockage because it is increased water content between

cells, in the interstitial space.

Personally I do not use over 30% DMSO in my ears, and generally keep

it to 10-20%.

>

> Fast forward some months, until June 2006, when I resumed my

> treatment. I've got the other components for the chilean treatment, so

> I wanted to try more extensively the allegedly key component of the

> treatment, DMSO. This is when the real problem started. This is what I

> did:

>

> After a shower where I took special care of washing the ears and

> surrounding zones thoroughly, I washed again all that zones with

> bottled water. Then I put (about) a teaspoon of 70% DMSO in a glass,

> and added enough distilled water (which I took from a bottle of water

> for contact lenses) to lower the concentration to about 50% (that was

> Morton's book told was the maximum allowed concentration for face and

> neck).

What is the preservative in the contact lens solution? That could be a

potential source of the problem. Most prepartions of that nature would

have some kind of preservative so look at the label, also contact the

manufacturer and ask.

> Using my clean hands (fingers), I applied this concentration

> all around both ears (in the back, at the lower part, at the front

> (that would be at the side of the face)). I even put a little bit in

> the ear canal (not deep inside, a centimeter inside at most). I

> alternated both ears, as many times as to finish most of the solution

> I prepared.

>

> Not long after that, the applied zone started to itch me a LOT, so I

> washed all the applied zones thoroughly with bottled water. I noticed

> some minutes after that that a rash has started, but this time it was

> VERY red.

Again this part of the reaction could all be due to histamine release.

> I went to sleep. The other day, the rash was gone, but a set

> of problems appeared, which persist to this day:

>

> 1) My ears feel *quite* blocked all the time (more than the other time)

> 2) I hear a " -crick- " sound inside my ears everytime I swallow or yawn

> (louder than the other time)

> 3) Last but not less important: My ears now PAIN. I feel a constant

> uncomfort, but frequently through the day it turns to pain. This pain

> is not associated with swallowing, though

>

> I've done a lot of testing including blood tests, MRI, various hearing

> tests. My docs tell me I am normal. I tried NSAIDs (to lessen a

> potential inflamation), anti-histamines (allergies), mucolytics (to

> thin mucous), corticoids (for inflamation and pain), but I don't

> respond to any of those. This started TWO MONTHS ago, and if I should

> give my opinion regarding if I feel any changes in the sympthoms, I

> would says that they got a bit WORSE, not better. The pain occurs more

> frequently than in the first days.

>

> OK, so now I guess that you will understand my desperation. What

> should I do? In retrospect, I could say that the problem could have

been:

>

> a) some shampoo that remained inside my ears that travelled inside my

> organism via the DMSO carrier action, resulting in " something bad "

(WHAT?)

Shampoo has many different chemicals in it. Some people are allergic

to it. When a chemical is transported into the tissues by DMSO it goes

everywhere in the body, yet your reaction, as described to this point

is localized to your ears. I am not ruling this out but it does not

seem a strong possibility.

> the concentration of DMSO was too high for that zone and did me

> " something bad "

Too strong generally causes the skin to peel, much like a sunburn, and

possibly blister. Generally this would heal in a week or so.

> c) I used a much more DMSO (in quantity) than needed, which did me

> " something bad "

> d) I am allergic to DMSO, so when I used it, it resulted it " something

> bad "

People that are allergic to DMSO generally reaction with a blistering

effect of the skin and subsequent peeling even to very low

concentrations. The nature of the allergy, as with many allergies is

unknown.

> e) the DMSO carried inside a virus, a toxin, a bacteria, or

> " something " , that resulted in " something bad "

DMSO can not transport viruses or bacteria, they are too large. DMSO

only transports molecule under 1,000 Daltons Molecular Weight so not

even all chemicals can be transported by DMSO.

>

> Those are just speculations, but I can't know for sure (and in any

> case, the important thing is to find out the " something bad " , about

> which I am clueless). I would love to hear your thoughts on this, and

> how you would approach the problem. I ordered Vitalzym, a systemic

> enzymes product which has been gathering very good reviews, so perhaps

> they will help.

>

> I am very frightened that I may have done permanent damage to my

> eustachian tubes or something similar, and I may have to live with

> this condition for the rest of my days. After 60 days, this does not

> seem to be going anywhere by itself (I should stress that the problem

> is in BOTH ears, without anyone of them subsiding).

What you are experiencing now could be a secondary effect. That is

for instance, due to the excess water in the interstitial space a

fungus or bacteria could be growing. Fungus in particular is an

opportunist that moves in when immune function is depressed and

conditions are right, excess fluid, serum leaking from inflammed

capillaries and general irritation of the area making it difficult for

the immune system to remove the fungus. Fungus is slow to grow and

therefore slow to die even when treated with effective antifungals.

If it is a fungus it will take prolonged treatment to kill it. At

least ten days if not more. I have used a variety of substances to

treat fungal infections. But since this is in your ears where it is

hard to see or biopsy, and because fungus is hard to culture the

situation is challenging to deal with.

Some of the substances I have used are Tee Tree Oil, RED Thyme Oil,

Oil of Oregano, DMSO mixed with Fluconazole, Lamisil, Tinactin and

Lotrimin. Some stop the growth (mycostatic) others kill the fungus

(mycocidal) more aggressively.

Hope this gives you some ideas. I do not think it is valid to conclude

that because this occured after DMSO that it is all due to the DMSO. I

suspect, as with many complex health issues, that it is a cumulative

effect of several processes, some of which began with using too strong

a concentration of DMSO in an area that is more prone to problems.

Ears are sensitive because they do not dry out readily and mycotic

organisms, yeast and fungus, grow easily in these environments.

Additionally other effects may have compounded the problem making it

difficult to determine a single cause.

Garnet

[Guest guest]

Your original problem seemed to be tinnitis (ringing in the ears). The "Encyclopedia of Natural Healing" gives the following as CAUSES -

i) - blockage or infection. The eustachian tube may become blocked due to excess mucus from sinus and throat infections or allergies. The outer ear can also become blocked if earwax builds up or a foreign body is lodged in the ear.

ii) - If not related to an ear problem, tinnitis can be caused by hypoglycemia, or jaw or neck problems, but is most often result of a circulatory problem around the ear. The cause is typically arteriosclerosis, with a direct link to a diet rich in sugars, refined foods and unhealthy fats from meat, margarine and commercial vegetable oils, and lacking in fiber-rich wholesome foods. ........... Toxins and medications also cause ear ringing. ............. In many cases, tinnitis is a signal that the body is overwhelmed with stress and work.

Source - Encyclopedia of Natural Healing, page 672

You might want to consider doing all the major cleanses. Once your body is cleansed from most of the toxins within it, it can once again function at its peak. All medications, be they alternative or conventional, will be most effective (including DMSO) only when the liver is performing at its peak ability. Most of our diseases and "conditions" can be linked to liver congestion (sluggish liver). Thanks to our polluted world, everyone is suffering from liver congestion, whether they know it or not. Hope this helps. Barb

DMSO and ears problem. Very worried, I'll appreciate any help...

> > OK, so this is what happened: I'm 24 and I started to have tinnitus> (ringing in the ears) about a year ago. I did every test that you can> imagine and went to different ENTs, but well, no one could treat it,> so I "had to learn to live with it". It is not very loud, but I looked> for alternative treatments anyway. After sorting through many> failures, I found that a very successful tinnitus treatment was> conducted in Chile 30 years ago that used DMSO. This lead me to> 's book, which describes the case. I purchased the original> scientific publication, and after consulting it with my ENT, wanted to> give it a shot.>

[Guest guest]

Hello to everyone. Thanks much for your answers! Let's see:

> My guess would be that the DMSO has nothing to do with the problem.

It sounds like an allergy to something you eat every day. [...]<

Well, in both times (the first application of just a drop of DMSO,

with a feeling of full ears and noise when swallowing but without

pain, and the second application (lots of DMSO), with same symthoms

but more accute in magnitude AND with pain, persisting after 2 months)

the symthoms occurred just a few days (maybe the day after?) after the

application of DMSO. I feel therefore that it is highly unlikely that

the whole thing is just an allergy to something that I eat,

considering the timing of the applications and the occurrence of the

symthoms.

> I think your problem is an extension of the

original tinnitus situation <

Again, the timings of the events make me think with good probability

that this is not the case.

> Was it 99.9% or was it 70%. It cannot be both. It could be 70% made

from 99.9% pure DMSO. That is what I am going to assume for the sake

of this conversation. <

You assumed correctly. =)

> DMSO is anti-inflammatory and

reduces edema (excess water between cells). So it is unlikely that it

is a direct effect. Histamine release can cause edema. Edema can cause

swelling and blockage because it is increased water content between

cells, in the interstitial space. <

You say that DMSO reduces edema, but also that it releases histamine,

which increases edema! I don't get it. Maybe because of the high

concentration I used, the net result was an very increased edema? If

so, which are possible effects that could have happened that led to my

current condition?

>What is the preservative in the contact lens solution? That could be

a potential source of the problem. Most prepartions of that nature

would have some kind of preservative so look at the label, also

contact the manufacturer and ask.<

The title of the bottle is " Demineralized Filtered Water " . There is no

further clarification of the contents in the container, and there is

no printed expiry date anywhere in the container either, so presuming

that this lab is not violating the law by selling an expirable (with

preservatives) product without including an expiry date (this lab is

kinda recognized over here), I would think that there are not

preservatives in here and this product is maybe just 100%

" Demineralized Filtered Water " .

>Shampoo has many different chemicals in it. Some people are allergic

to it. When a chemical is transported into the tissues by DMSO it goes

everywhere in the body, yet your reaction, as described to this point

is localized to your ears. I am not ruling this out but it does not

seem a strong possibility.<

Very good to know. Yes, I had blood tests done and my white blood

cells count and that were normal so my ENT ruled out an infection. I

would think that an intoxication would result in an abnormal blood

test, too.

And indeed, my problem is localized in the ears, although I started

(some days ago) to feel something weird near my right eyebrow and

besides my right eye (the skin between my eye and ear). I mean, it's

not a very significant sensation (just a mild one), but I think I feel

like if the zone is now a bit more sensible that normal. It COULD be

just that I'm getting a bit paranoid of my condition, but it could

also be a very real thing. Maybe something is troubling with my face

nerves?? What can I do if so?

> Too strong generally causes the skin to peel, much like a sunburn,

and possibly blister. Generally this would heal in a week or so. <

My skin was completely normal the day after the application.

> People that are allergic to DMSO generally reaction with a

blistering effect of the skin and subsequent peeling even to very low

concentrations. The nature of the allergy, as with many allergies is

unknown. <

My skin didn't react that way so maybe we could conclude that I'm not

allergic to DMSO.

> DMSO can not transport viruses or bacteria, they are too large. DMSO

only transports molecule under 1,000 Daltons Molecular Weight so not

even all chemicals can be transported by DMSO. <

Good to know, but I wonder if maybe the application in that zone in

such a high concentration could make the zone more " friendly " for such

things (virus or bacteria), things that are impossible to avoid inside

our bodies (one way or another they always find a way inside of us, I

would guess).

> What you are experiencing now could be a secondary effect. That is

for instance, due to the excess water in the interstitial space a

fungus or bacteria could be growing. <

If the DMSO application indeed induced excess water in the zone, how

long would it take to the body to restore the zone to its normal

condition?

Is there a possibility that that excess water is STILL today over

there, causing me this condition by refusing to go away? If so, is

there a treatment or something to make this water to go away?

If it should have lasted just a few days at most, could this temporal

lenght be long enough for something to start growing and then persist

(existing) when the water went away?

> Fungus in particular is an

opportunist that moves in when immune function is depressed and

conditions are right, excess fluid, serum leaking from inflammed

capillaries and general irritation of the area making it difficult for

the immune system to remove the fungus. Fungus is slow to grow and

therefore slow to die even when treated with effective antifungals.<

OK, fungus would explain the feeling that my condition is getting

worse (because the fungus would be expanding and growing) and that

this condition is failing to go away by itself (can the body get rid

of fungus by itself?), but I have a few questions:

1) The pain started (at most) just a few days after the DMSO

application. It is true that at first it was not as painful as it is

now, but the difference (in pain) is not much and again, this

difference *could* be psycho-somatic (i.e. I'm worried and then it

pains more). If the pain is originated by a fungus, would the fungus

grow enough so as to result in pain in just a few days? You say that

fungus is slow to grow, but HOW slow, in general terms?

2) The condition exists in both ears. Could I had such a bad luck to

end up with fungus growing in both ears? Or maybe it is more likely

that I would guess?

> If it is a fungus it will take prolonged treatment to kill it. At

least ten days if not more. I have used a variety of substances to

treat fungal infections. But since this is in your ears where it is

hard to see or biopsy, and because fungus is hard to culture the

situation is challenging to deal with.

Some of the substances I have used are Tee Tree Oil, RED Thyme Oil,

Oil of Oregano, DMSO mixed with Fluconazole, Lamisil, Tinactin and

Lotrimin. Some stop the growth (mycostatic) others kill the fungus

(mycocidal) more aggressively.<

Well, after reading your email I web searched a bit and I found from

several sources that the inner linnings of Pau D'Arco seem to have a

powerful anti-fungal effect. This tree grows in my country, so it was

easy to get. I'm taking 1 liter of Pau D'Arco tea a day and also

taking some teaspoons a day of Pau D'Arco liquid extract I bought.

If fungus is indeed what this thing is all about, then I can't treat

it like a foot fungus (topically) because this bastards are out of the

reach of my hands. So I would guess that my treatment must be

completely oral. Maybe I could try to find Oil of Oregano over here,

but I don't think I'll have luck (already searched a bit on the net

and found none). I don't think that the drugs you named are OTC, so

I'll go to a clinic-specialized doc on monday, tell him about my

situation and maybe he'll prescribe me some fluconazole (although of

course I'm not taking it with DMSO, at least not in that concentration

and neither in that zone).

I've also eliminated sugars and flours and breads because I've read

that fungus love those to grow and persist. What would you recommend?

OK, looking forward for you kind answers. Thanks MUCH!!!