Survey for 4s'ers. & 4s-adrenaline-fightorflight

[Guest guest]

1. Any other sensitivities?

Yep.

2. Ever feel like you kow more about life than others without 4s?

Yes, I feel like I've been through more than others.

3. Can you think straight while hearing a trigger?

Ohmygosh no!

4. What is the worst food, noise- wise?

Noodles, slurping! Cereal, sweet potatoes, lots more.

5. Do you/ did you get good grades?

Mediocre at best. Excel in science, civics.

6. Ever taken substances (drugs, alcohol) to ease trigger aggravation?

No. I have a feeling they owuldn't work for me.

7. Do you get along with others easily?

No, not really. Prob unrelated to 4s.

8. Weirdest thing about 4s?

I can think perfectly straight and sanely about 4s while not being exposed to trigs. but when I am(being exposed), I can't stop myself from leaving or throwing a fit.

9. Ever had symptoms relieved for short period of time?

No, but sometimes they will ease up.

10. Are any noises nice/ good?

I love the sound of MY pencil scratching on paper, chalk on chalkboard, etc. Whistling too. Typing on mac keyboards.

11. Go to therapy?

No, but momster has suggested it.

12. Any one ever made fun of way you eat?

Oh gosh yes. I keep my mouth cloed at all costs, and I take tiny bites.. I try to be respectful if another 4s sufferer is near.

I wanted to add something else... I was reading an article on noise pollution, and it said that when humans hear very loud noises(not painful) they have a flight or fight response. And today I read something about stress today and it said adrenaline causes people to have a fight or flight response. So maybe we have some kind of weird build up of adrenaline. Also, some of you say you remember being chastised for chewing loudly and was thinking that the fight or flight response occuring at that moment was so severe it "shorted" out some brain circuitry and we were stuck having that same response. Maybe we just get pissed because we are trapped with the stressor/ trigger.

Just food for thought.

Angelique :-)

[Guest guest]

That is a good point about adrenalin Angelique. Too much stress over a period of time will result in adrenal fatigue (although not every doctor supports the theory of adrenal fatigue). This is a link about it, just the first on a long list of topics found in a Google search for adrenal fatigue:

http://hubpages.com/hub/Adrenalfatigue

I've mentioned before that I have been taking supplements this year for the treatment of adrenal fatigue, although my doctor felt it was caused by a thyroid issue (rather than stress from 4S as I never mentioned that to him!). The affects have been amazing - I feel so much better, clarity of thought and more energy. I feel anyone who doubts the validity of adrenal fatigue can walk a day in my shoes - I have no doubt it is a valid condition. I still can't handle hearing my trigger noises, but overall I feel I'm handling stress a lot better.

Adrienne

To: 4s 4s <Soundsensitivity >Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:57:48 AMSubject: Survey for 4s'ers. & 4s-adrenaline-fightorflight

1. Any other sensitivities?

Yep.

2. Ever feel like you kow more about life than others without 4s?

Yes, I feel like I've been through more than others.

3. Can you think straight while hearing a trigger?

Ohmygosh no!

4. What is the worst food, noise- wise?

Noodles, slurping! Cereal, sweet potatoes, lots more.

5. Do you/ did you get good grades?

Mediocre at best. Excel in science, civics.

6. Ever taken substances (drugs, alcohol) to ease trigger aggravation?

No. I have a feeling they owuldn't work for me.

7. Do you get along with others easily?

No, not really. Prob unrelated to 4s.

8. Weirdest thing about 4s?

I can think perfectly straight and sanely about 4s while not being exposed to trigs. but when I am(being exposed), I can't stop myself from leaving or throwing a fit.

9. Ever had symptoms relieved for short period of time?

No, but sometimes they will ease up.

10. Are any noises nice/ good?

I love the sound of MY pencil scratching on paper, chalk on chalkboard, etc. Whistling too. Typing on mac keyboards.

11. Go to therapy?

No, but momster has suggested it.

12. Any one ever made fun of way you eat?

Oh gosh yes. I keep my mouth cloed at all costs, and I take tiny bites.. I try to be respectful if another 4s sufferer is near.

I wanted to add something else... I was reading an article on noise pollution, and it said that when humans hear very loud noises(not painful) they have a flight or fight response. And today I read something about stress today and it said adrenaline causes people to have a fight or flight response. So maybe we have some kind of weird build up of adrenaline. Also, some of you say you remember being chastised for chewing loudly and was thinking that the fight or flight response occuring at that moment was so severe it "shorted" out some brain circuitry and we were stuck having that same response. Maybe we just get pissed because we are trapped with the stressor/ trigger.

Just food for thought.

Angelique :-)

[Guest guest]

>> >[survey text deleted]

> I wanted to add something else... I was reading an article on noise pollution, and it said that when humans hear very loud noises(not painful) they have a flight or fight response. And today I read something about stress today and it said adrenaline causes people to have a fight or flight response. So maybe we have some kind of weird build up of adrenaline. Also, some of you say you remember being chastised for chewing loudly and was thinking that the fight or flight response occuring at that moment was so severe it "shorted" out some brain circuitry and we were stuck having that same response.. Maybe we just get pissed because we are trapped with the stressor/ trigger. > Just food for thought. > Angelique :-) >

I've been thinking along these lines since reading about the use of propranolol (a beta blocker used to treat high blood pressure and anxiety) to treat PTSD. Recent research seems to indicate that highly emotional memories (e.g. those associated with fight or flight situations) are subject to some modification after they are recalled. The process of the a recalled memory being "re-stored" is called "memory reconsolidation" and that process appears to be vulnerable to being interfered with by propranolol. People suffering from PTSD recalled the traumatic event responsible for their disorder, and then were given propranolol. Some time later (I don't remember how long, but probably a few days/weeks) they were reassessed and while they could still remember their trauma, their response to it was no longer as intense and a bunch were no longer classified as having PTSD. Whether this could work for sound sensitivity might depend on to what extent it is purely physical versus more psychological. If it is predominantly psychological, then perhaps this sort of treatment could take the emotional edge off of the trigger sounds and make them easier to deal with. If, on the other hand, the pain experienced has more of a physical root cause, then even if the edge were taken off past traumas, it may not be long lasting as new traumatic memories would immediately reform. Anyway, there is speculation that this sort of treatment may be applicable to anxiety disorders, OCD, etc., so maybe it could be helpful with sound sensitivity. I haven't quite gotten to the point where I want to experiment on my 13 year old daughter, but I do intend to contact some researchers studying this to see what they have to say.

Here are a couple of links to reports of a couple of studies in this area:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL & _udi=B6T8T-4P1G931-2 & _user=1525358 & _rdoc=1 & _fmt= & _orig=search & _sort=d & view=c & _acct=C000053540 & _version=1 & _urlVersion=0 & _userid=1525358 & md5=fb2d0f444e7d04e3650983d5d7ec0246

http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v12/n3/full/nn.2271.html

-Craig

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I have tried the propranolol for a short period. My doctor gave me some to help me when I was returning to school for continuing ed classes. I took it right before I went to class, and it did help with the phobia of being trapped in a room with alot of people ( I would say I probably developed this additional problem because of the 4s), but I don't remember it having any effect on the noise sensitivity itself. I took it just for a couple weeks until I acclimated to being back in school, if I had noticed even a minor improvement in the 4s, I'm sure I would have gone further with it. Nonetheless, in conjunction with the right kind of therapy...I wouldn't rule it out as a possible tool...To: Soundsensitivity Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:13:14 PMSubject: Re: Survey for 4s'ers. & 4s-adrenaline-fightorflight

>> >[survey text deleted]

> I wanted to add something else... I was reading an article on noise pollution, and it said that when humans hear very loud noises(not painful) they have a flight or fight response. And today I read something about stress today and it said adrenaline causes people to have a fight or flight response. So maybe we have some kind of weird build up of adrenaline. Also, some of you say you remember being chastised for chewing loudly and was thinking that the fight or flight response occuring at that moment was so severe it "shorted" out some brain circuitry and we were stuck having that same response.. Maybe we just get pissed because we are trapped with the stressor/ trigger. > Just food for thought. > Angelique :-) >

I've been thinking along these lines since reading about the use of propranolol (a beta blocker used to treat high blood pressure and anxiety) to treat PTSD. Recent research seems to indicate that highly emotional memories (e.g. those associated with fight or flight situations) are subject to some modification after they are recalled. The process of the a recalled memory being "re-stored" is called "memory reconsolidation" and that process appears to be vulnerable to being interfered with by propranolol. People suffering from PTSD recalled the traumatic event responsible for their disorder, and then were given propranolol. Some time later (I don't remember how long, but probably a few days/weeks) they were reassessed and while they could still remember their trauma, their response to it was no longer as intense and a bunch were no longer classified as having PTSD. Whether this could work for sound

sensitivity might depend on to what extent it is purely physical versus more psychological. If it is predominantly psychological, then perhaps this sort of treatment could take the emotional edge off of the trigger sounds and make them easier to deal with. If, on the other hand, the pain experienced has more of a physical root cause, then even if the edge were taken off past traumas, it may not be long lasting as new traumatic memories would immediately reform. Anyway, there is speculation that this sort of treatment may be applicable to anxiety disorders, OCD, etc., so maybe it could be helpful with sound sensitivity. I haven't quite gotten to the point where I want to experiment on my 13 year old daughter, but I do intend to contact some researchers studying this to see what they have to say.

Here are a couple of links to reports of a couple of studies in this area:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL & _udi=B6T8T-4P1G931-2 & _user=1525358 & _rdoc=1 & _fmt= & _orig=search & _sort=d & view=c & _acct=C000053540 & _version=1 & _urlVersion=0 & _userid=1525358 & md5=fb2d0f444e7d04e3650983d5d7ec0246

http://www.nature. com/neuro/ journal/v12/ n3/full/nn. 2271.html

-Craig