Re: Different strokes.....

[Guest guest]

>

> The Protein Myth

You can continue to believe what you want....

Facts, however, speak for themselves, and the fact is, some people will

die a long, slow, painful death if they do not eat animal proteins...

[Guest guest]

The meat protein issue is always hottly debated it seems. I always ate meat as

the staple of my diet for 52 years. When I was dianozed with melanoma cancer a

few years my doctor recommended I read the china study.

http://www.scimednet.org/library/reviewsN91+/N91campbell_china.htm

After reading the real facts on animal protein I stopped eatting all animal

protein shortly after. That was 50lbs ago, my blood pressure lowered from 150

over 90 down to 100 over 65, my blood chorestol lowered from 265 down to 128 in

six months.I have never felt better in my life . I personally have no doubt that

most of our health issues in this country stem from over eating animal protein,

including dairy products. Just my personal take on. But the largest study ever

done by colin campbell over a 30 year period dont lie. The numbers are

overwhelming . all the best ,

Mike

Simon Jester wrote:

>

> The Protein Myth

You can continue to believe what you want....

Facts, however, speak for themselves, and the fact is, some people will

die a long, slow, painful death if they do not eat animal proteins...

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[Guest guest]

yep, I know.

Take Tim VanOrden.

He knows exactly what you are talking about.

http://runningraw.com/

You can continue to believe what you want, too.

Too many people think that being a vegan means eating the same dumb

foods they used to eat without the meat.

Twinkies are vegan and they will kill you.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRAD3j56_Zg & feature=related>

& feature=related

[Guest guest]

> Take Tim VanOrden.

>

> He knows exactly what you are talking about.

>

> http://runningraw.com/

All this means is that he is one of those who have a metabolism that

does best on low/no animal proteins... good for him.

> You can continue to believe what you want, too.

I will continue to believe what the best scientific evidence supports.

The evidence shows overwhelmingly and unequivocally that some people

REQUIRE animal proteins.

Again, regardless of how it may offend your personal political

philosophy, facts are facts.

> Too many people think that being a vegan means eating the same dumb

> foods they used to eat without the meat.

> Twinkies are vegan and they will kill you.

Too many people refuse to listen or believe them when people tell them

that they tried their best on a pure, wholefood, raw/organic vegan diet

- sometimes for many years - and felt ok for a while, then slowly

started going downhill - and nothing they did worked, UNTIL they started

adding back in animal proteins, and all of their problems magically

vanished once they added the optimal amount (varies from person to

person as well) back to their diet.

With some people, it is a simple matter of removing one or more

problematic foods (potatos for some, carrots for others, etc etc ad

nauseum)...

I would love to find a purely vegan diet that worked for me that didn't

include animal protein... in fact, I'm getting ready to try an

experiment with large quantities of sprouts as my protein source, to see

if that works. I'll be prepared to add back in, at a minimum, my

dessicated liver powder, if necessary...

[Guest guest]

Something that everyone has to remember is that your Blood type also

has a effect on how different foods affect a person. What has a

negitive effect on one person might not have the same on another. This

is something that one could do research on also...Cheers..mj

>

> The meat protein issue is always hottly debated it seems. I always

ate meat as the staple of my diet for 52 years. When I was dianozed

with melanoma cancer a few years my doctor recommended I read the china

study.

[Guest guest]

> After reading the real facts on animal protein I stopped eatting all

> animal protein shortly after. That was 50lbs ago, my blood pressure

> lowered from 150 over 90 down to 100 over 65, my blood chorestol

> lowered from 265 down to 128 in six months.I have never felt better

> in my life .

All this proves is that you are one of those who do well cutting out all

animal proteins.

Also, just fyi - virtually *everyone* who dies of a heart attack or

heart disease has LOW cholesterol...

[Guest guest]

Glad you brought " types " up . This may sound strange, but I

almost feel guilty for eating meat, I guess because of so many people

pushing what they think is a superior diet. I tend to eat what I

crave, because I believe we may still have some good instincts. I

crave meat, I eat meat, and at 48 years old I feel pretty damn good.

I'm not perfect, but have gone 5 years at a time never missing a

single day of work due to illness.

Funny that when I read about blood types, which I just looked up

today, it is suggested that I eat red meat! Ha Ha. I knew that.

(I do eat veggies raw and cooked, but rarely crave anything overly

starchy)

You know what? Not that I would suggest anyone to eat my diet, but I

am not going to feel guilty or bad about it ever again!! It is right

for me.

Loretta

> Something that everyone has to remember is that your Blood type also

> has a effect on how different foods affect a person. What has a

> negitive effect on one person might not have the same on another. This

> is something that one could do research on also...Cheers..mj

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good idea Loretta,

I never felt guilty, bad eating habits are something we live or die by. For

example millions of americans still choose to smoke knowing the hazards of it.

I think perhaps with eating meat try and eat as much grass fed beef, or better

yet wild game as possible. It doesnt have the hormones injected in it. I also

noticed that the american heart and american cancer society are also on board

now with limiting the amount of animal protein we take in. As for the blood type

diet its a hoax in my mind simular to the adkins diet( I did the adkins diet

once! ) . Both authors made millions selling books, at the expense of our

health. I found this article based on science interesting about that.

http://earthsave.org/news/bloodtyp.htm

But in the end we must all choose a common sense diet based on what we can

live with.

all the best

in health,

Mike

lorettaluja wrote:

Glad you brought " types " up . This may sound strange, but I

almost feel guilty for eating meat, I guess because of so many people

pushing what they think is a superior diet. I tend to eat what I

crave, because I believe we may still have some good instincts. I

crave meat, I eat meat, and at 48 years old I feel pretty damn good.

I'm not perfect, but have gone 5 years at a time never missing a

single day of work due to illness.

Funny that when I read about blood types, which I just looked up

today, it is suggested that I eat red meat! Ha Ha. I knew that.

(I do eat veggies raw and cooked, but rarely crave anything overly

starchy)

You know what? Not that I would suggest anyone to eat my diet, but I

am not going to feel guilty or bad about it ever again!! It is right

for me.

Loretta

> Something that everyone has to remember is that your Blood type also

> has a effect on how different foods affect a person. What has a

> negitive effect on one person might not have the same on another. This

> is something that one could do research on also...Cheers..mj

>

>

[Guest guest]

Have you read the info on sprouted legumes, such as alfalfa

sprouts and mung bead sprouts being of concern. Dr Weil

put this out in his newsletter some years ago. I neve followed

up on it but I do know that sprouts are a big part of Ann Wigmore's

diet for cancer patients.

Please do share what you learn about the sprout diet. As I do agree

with you from my own personal experience that some people do

need animal protien.

And I have to add I find nothing morally wrong with consuming

animal protien. The problem is with how the animals are treated

through out the farming or hunting process.

Garnet

Simon Jester wrote:

>

>> Take Tim VanOrden.

>>

>> He knows exactly what you are talking about.

>>

>> http://runningraw.com/

>

> All this means is that he is one of those who have a metabolism that

> does best on low/no animal proteins... good for him.

>

>> You can continue to believe what you want, too.

>

> I will continue to believe what the best scientific evidence supports.

>

> The evidence shows overwhelmingly and unequivocally that some people

> REQUIRE animal proteins.

>

> Again, regardless of how it may offend your personal political

> philosophy, facts are facts.

>

>> Too many people think that being a vegan means eating the same dumb

>> foods they used to eat without the meat.

>> Twinkies are vegan and they will kill you.

>

> Too many people refuse to listen or believe them when people tell them

> that they tried their best on a pure, wholefood, raw/organic vegan diet

> - sometimes for many years - and felt ok for a while, then slowly

> started going downhill - and nothing they did worked, UNTIL they started

> adding back in animal proteins, and all of their problems magically

> vanished once they added the optimal amount (varies from person to

> person as well) back to their diet.

>

> With some people, it is a simple matter of removing one or more

> problematic foods (potatos for some, carrots for others, etc etc ad

> nauseum)...

>

> I would love to find a purely vegan diet that worked for me that didn't

> include animal protein... in fact, I'm getting ready to try an

> experiment with large quantities of sprouts as my protein source, to see

> if that works. I'll be prepared to add back in, at a minimum, my

> dessicated liver powder, if necessary...

>

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