RE: Question about corporal punishment

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OMG!!! How are they even allowed to do that anymore?!?!

Subject: Question about corporal punishmentTo: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 2:30 PM

Does anyone know the TEA guidelines for corporal punishment, specifically if there is an age requirement? Someone told me that they thought children under a specific age could not be spanked at school. My son was spanked yesterday and he is in kindergarten and the principal left marks.

Thanks for any help,

Michele

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I am so sorry. My understanding is that Texas law allows

spanking or paddling and that TEA leaves the specific policy up to each district.

Follow this link down to find Texas info.

http://www.stophitting.com/index.php?page=legalinfolaws

I do not know much else about it but here are some links that

might be interesting or lead you in the right direction.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/08/20/corporal.punishment/

http://www.asbj.com/MainMenuCategory/Archive/2009/January/Legal-Problems-with-Corporal-Punishment.aspx

http://www.stophitting.com/index.php

My understanding is that, unfortunately, that there is not much

you can do about it. It’s just like when the school will not follow

the IEP. They have all the power and we have very little. It’s

NOT right. I hope things change for kids soon. In the meantime, I

am at a specialized private school whose policies align with my beliefs about disciplining

children and teaching children with autism.

From: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

[mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of Michele

McCants

Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:30 PM

To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

Subject: Question about corporal punishment

Does anyone know the TEA guidelines for corporal

punishment, specifically if there is an age requirement? Someone told

me that they thought children under a specific age could not be spanked at

school. My son was spanked yesterday and he is in kindergarten and the

principal left marks.

Thanks for any help,

Michele

[Guest guest]

You are correct. Most districts choose not to due to liability. You should talk to an advocate.Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: " Gauci" Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:40:49 -0600To: <Texas-Autism-Advocacy >Subject: RE: Question about corporal punishment I am so sorry. My understanding is that Texas law allows spanking or paddling and that TEA leaves the specific policy up to each district. Follow this link down to find Texas info. http://www.stophitting.com/index.php?page=legalinfolaws I do not know much else about it but here are some links that might be interesting or lead you in the right direction. http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/08/20/corporal.punishment/ http://www.asbj.com/MainMenuCategory/Archive/2009/January/Legal-Problems-with-Corporal-Punishment.aspx http://www.stophitting.com/index.php My understanding is that, unfortunately, that there is not much you can do about it. It’s just like when the school will not follow the IEP. They have all the power and we have very little. It’s NOT right. I hope things change for kids soon. In the meantime, I am at a specialized private school whose policies align with my beliefs about disciplining children and teaching children with autism. From: Texas-Autism-Advocacy [mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of Michele McCantsSent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:30 PMTo: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Subject: Question about corporal punishment Does anyone know the TEA guidelines for corporal punishment, specifically if there is an age requirement? Someone told me that they thought children under a specific age could not be spanked at school. My son was spanked yesterday and he is in kindergarten and the principal left marks. Thanks for any help, Michele

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what? really? here in Texas? in the USA? spanking a special-need child?

That would be my first priority in changing any laws if I send my son to school before worrying about IEP goals, ABA, vouchers,...etc.

Unbelievable!!!!!

Question about corporal punishment

Does anyone know the TEA guidelines for corporal punishment, specifically if there is an age requirement? Someone told me that they thought children under a specific age could not be spanked at school. My son was spanked yesterday and he is in kindergarten and the principal left marks.

Thanks for any help,

Michele

[Guest guest]

I thought the school districts that offer corporal punishment have to

have written permission from parents to spank their children, but the

fact that marks were left would make me call CPS on the principal right

away- that is child abuse. IF one of us parents spanked their child and

left marks, the school would not hesitate to call CPS on us.

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specifically if there is an age requirement?  Someone told me that they

thought children under a specific age could not be spanked at school. 

My son was spanked yesterday and he is in kindergarten and the

principal left marks.

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well, he's not technically a "special needs' child since the school dismissed him last year from special education. They didn't want him going to kindergarten with the autism diagnosis, more specifically PDD-NOS. They convinced me that he is not, and I don't know really for sure, but I do know he has a lot of sensory processing issues.

Subject: Re: Question about corporal punishmentTo: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 3:51 PM

what? really? here in Texas? in the USA? spanking a special-need child?

That would be my first priority in changing any laws if I send my son to school before worrying about IEP goals, ABA, vouchers,... etc.

Unbelievable! !!!!

[Texas-Autism- Advocacy] Question about corporal punishment

Does anyone know the TEA guidelines for corporal punishment, specifically if there is an age requirement? Someone told me that they thought children under a specific age could not be spanked at school. My son was spanked yesterday and he is in kindergarten and the principal left marks.

Thanks for any help,

Michele

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the thing is, I did agree to it. I didn't feel good about it, but the only other option was ISS and that would have to be arranged and would not have taken place til next week. My husband wanted the spanking and so I agreed. But I did not agree for him to paddle him so hard that marks were left. I did talk to CPS today and she told me it was definitely reportable, but this is a small school system in a small community. I am on the Child Welfare board, but the principal's wife is also on the board. It just gets really complicated. I took photos of his bottom last night while he slept and I will look at them again tonight. If it has worsened, like I feel it has, I think that in the least I will meet with the principal and show him the pics. He used to be in middle school. I'm hoping that he just

doesn't realize how hard he is hitting the little kids and he will be appalled and will not hit so hard. If he does not have a problem with it (as my husband does not), then I will rethink the whole thing and perhaps get CPS involved. CPS has to notify TEA, as well. And under no circumstances will I ever allow this to happen again. If I had it all to do over again, I would never have consented. Never do anything against your better judgment, right?

Thanks guys!

Michele

Subject: Re: Question about corporal punishmentTo: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 4:26 PM

I thought the school districts that offer corporal punishment have to have written permission from parents to spank their children, but the fact that marks were left would make me call CPS on the principal right away- that is child abuse. IF one of us parents spanked their child and left marks, the school would not hesitate to call CPS on us.>> Does anyone know the TEA guidelines for corporal punishment, specifically if there is an age requirement? Someone told me that they thought children under a specific age could not be spanked at school. My son was spanked yesterday and he is in kindergarten and the principal left marks.> > Thanks for any help,> >

Michele>

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Special-need or not, I am in shock to learn that any one (schools or not) is allowed to "spank" and lay hand on our children.....how can any one stand for that.

I did not go to school here in the USA, and I homeschool one son and the other one goes to a private school, so this is news to me.

SHOCKING!

[Texas-Autism- Advocacy] Question about corporal punishment

Does anyone know the TEA guidelines for corporal punishment, specifically if there is an age requirement? Someone told me that they thought children under a specific age could not be spanked at school. My son was spanked yesterday and he is in kindergarten and the principal left marks.

Thanks for any help,

Michele

[Guest guest]

Wow!

That is so not right, I would get an advocate or a lawyer to help to remove that

consent form for spanking, first of all, even if your husband doesn't like that,

your child is in risk of bad injuries, that is so wrong, think of the mental

damage to his self stem.

Please get help from someone, as soon is possible.

That principal must be out of his mind, you can still fight back this

situation, even if you signed that consent.. get and ARD done as soon is

possible.

OMG I can't even imagine that someone has a consent form for spanking.

But it is Texas, and they have screw up laws that they need to reform.

I have a lawyer to help us with our 3 sons because abuse of student rights and

lack of info on how much our kids with special needs need it.

The school has always being very nice to us, but they weren't informing us about

the many benefits our boy's could get trough the school district to help them

with their disability.

We did not go to due process but did mediation.

Which it help us a lot to learn our rights.

Please DO remove that consent form for spanking as soon as you can!

If your husband has a problem with you about NO SPANKING specially other than

himself as it is is not good, then your husband may have a problem ( maybe

tradition, country or so and so.)

Then maybe you need to talk to your husband about that before allowing it

I I can't believe that freak actually is a principal.

What county and place are you? if you dont mind?

Best wishes

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I only agreed to that spanking, so there is luckily nothing on file that he can be spanked again. I live in rural southwest Texas, Eldorado, to be exact. I found out from my co-workers that San Angelo school district has a no spank policy. Only these rural areas around San Angelo still have spanking policies. Even in the high school. I think this attracts school administrators who strongly believe in corporal punishment to our little school.> From: Michele McCants <mccants_five@ yahoo.com>> Subject: [Texas-Autism- Advocacy] Question about corporal punishment>

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wow. I did not send the form backat the beginning of school, but the principal knew he had to get consent that day or he couldn't do it. I just handsigned that I agreed for him to have a spanking on that specific day, so it cannot be used again. And I won't be consenting to anymore spankings.

Subject: RE: Question about corporal punishmentTo: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 1:47 AM

Chapter 37 governs discipline. http://tlo2. tlc.state. tx.us/statutes/ ed.toc.htm

Corporal punishment is allowed in Texas schools. Our son’s school uses what is called “passive consent”. At the beginning of each school year they send home a form where you can elect to allow corporal punishment for your child or not. If the form is not returned, they consider that consent.

Tonya

From: Texas-Autism- Advocacy@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Texas- Autism-Advocacy@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of GauciSent: Friday, January 09, 2009 3:41 PMTo: Texas-Autism- Advocacy@ yahoogroups. comSubject: RE: [Texas-Autism- Advocacy] Question about corporal punishment

I am so sorry. My understanding is that Texas law allows spanking or paddling and that TEA leaves the specific policy up to each district. Follow this link down to find Texas info.

http://www.stophitt ing.com/index. php?page= legalinfolaws

I do not know much else about it but here are some links that might be interesting or lead you in the right direction.

http://www.cnn. com/2008/ US/08/20/ corporal. punishment/

http://www.asbj. com/MainMenuCate gory/Archive/ 2009/January/ Legal-Problems- with-Corporal- Punishment. aspx

http://www.stophitt ing.com/index. php

My understanding is that, unfortunately, that there is not much you can do about it. It’s just like when the school will not follow the IEP. They have all the power and we have very little. It’s NOT right. I hope things change for kids soon. In the meantime, I am at a specialized private school whose policies align with my beliefs about disciplining children and teaching children with autism.

From: Texas-Autism- Advocacy@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Texas- Autism-Advocacy@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Michele McCantsSent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:30 PMTo: Texas-Autism- Advocacy@ yahoogroups. comSubject: [Texas-Autism- Advocacy] Question about corporal punishment

Does anyone know the TEA guidelines for corporal punishment, specifically if there is an age requirement? Someone told me that they thought children under a specific age could not be spanked at school. My son was spanked yesterday and he is in kindergarten and the principal left marks.

Thanks for any help,

Michele

[Guest guest]

I can't anything in Chapter 7 about corporal punishmnet. Do you know more specifically where to look?

Subject: RE: Question about corporal punishmentTo: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 1:47 AM

Chapter 37 governs discipline. http://tlo2. tlc.state. tx.us/statutes/ ed.toc.htm

Corporal punishment is allowed in Texas schools. Our son’s school uses what is called “passive consent”. At the beginning of each school year they send home a form where you can elect to allow corporal punishment for your child or not. If the form is not returned, they consider that consent.

Tonya

From: Texas-Autism- Advocacy@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Texas- Autism-Advocacy@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of GauciSent: Friday, January 09, 2009 3:41 PMTo: Texas-Autism- Advocacy@ yahoogroups. comSubject: RE: [Texas-Autism- Advocacy] Question about corporal punishment

I am so sorry. My understanding is that Texas law allows spanking or paddling and that TEA leaves the specific policy up to each district. Follow this link down to find Texas info.

http://www.stophitt ing.com/index. php?page= legalinfolaws

I do not know much else about it but here are some links that might be interesting or lead you in the right direction.

http://www.cnn. com/2008/ US/08/20/ corporal. punishment/

http://www.asbj. com/MainMenuCate gory/Archive/ 2009/January/ Legal-Problems- with-Corporal- Punishment. aspx

http://www.stophitt ing.com/index. php

My understanding is that, unfortunately, that there is not much you can do about it. It’s just like when the school will not follow the IEP. They have all the power and we have very little. It’s NOT right. I hope things change for kids soon. In the meantime, I am at a specialized private school whose policies align with my beliefs about disciplining children and teaching children with autism.

From: Texas-Autism- Advocacy@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Texas- Autism-Advocacy@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Michele McCantsSent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:30 PMTo: Texas-Autism- Advocacy@ yahoogroups. comSubject: [Texas-Autism- Advocacy] Question about corporal punishment

Does anyone know the TEA guidelines for corporal punishment, specifically if there is an age requirement? Someone told me that they thought children under a specific age could not be spanked at school. My son was spanked yesterday and he is in kindergarten and the principal left marks.

Thanks for any help,

Michele

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I live in Del Rio ...far far west..

but i am in Region 15. San Angelo service ctr takes care of us. In

San Angelo i would suggest you call Jam Page if your in our region.

He does trainings and was a special ed teacher ... i wouldnt

recommend him if i didnt think he was 'excellent'...

good luck

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All

I agree special needs or not hitting a child only teaches them that hitting

others and hating others is acceptable.

If anyone I knew hit my son for what ever reason I would seek to punish -

friend, doctor and especially a teacher...

(New to the BB with a 6.5 year old wonderful Aspergers son)

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> Subject: Question about corporal punishment

> To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

> Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 2:30 PM

> Does anyone know the TEA guidelines for corporal punishment,

> specifically if there is an age requirement?  Someone told

> me that they thought children under a specific age could not

> be spanked at school.  My son was spanked yesterday and he

> is in kindergarten and the principal left marks.

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> Thanks for any help,

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> Michele

[Guest guest]

It’s been a long time since I researched anything on it.

I seem to remember something about it being a school district decision. Everything

I found today was on the Office of the Attorney General’s website and it

appears it is the TX Penal Code that gives the schools authority for corporal

punishment.

http://www.oag.state.tx.us/opinions/opinions/50abbott/rq/2005/pdf/rq0369ga.pdf

http://www.oag.state.tx.us/opinions/opinions/50abbott/op/2005/pdf/ga0374.pdf

http://www.oag.state.tx.us/opinions/opinions/50abbott/op/2004/pdf/ga0202.pdf

Tonya

From:

Texas-Autism-Advocacy

[mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of Michele

McCants

Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:49 PM

To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

Subject: RE: Question about corporal punishment

I can't anything in Chapter 7 about corporal

punishmnet. Do you know more specifically where to look?

From: Tonya Hettler

Subject: RE: Question about corporal punishment

To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 1:47 AM

Chapter 37 governs discipline. http://tlo2.

tlc.state. tx.us/statutes/ ed.toc.htm

Corporal punishment is allowed in

Texas schools. Our son’s school uses what is called

“passive consent”. At the beginning of each school year

they send home a form where you can elect to allow corporal punishment for

your child or not. If the form is not returned, they consider that

consent.

Tonya

From:

Texas-Autism- Advocacy@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Texas- Autism-Advocacy@

yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Gauci

Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 3:41 PM

To: Texas-Autism- Advocacy@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: RE: [Texas-Autism- Advocacy] Question about corporal

punishment

I am so sorry. My understanding

is that Texas law allows spanking or paddling and that TEA leaves the specific

policy up to each district. Follow this link down to find Texas

info.

http://www.stophitt

ing.com/index. php?page= legalinfolaws

I do not know much else about it but

here are some links that might be interesting or lead you in the right

direction.

http://www.cnn.

com/2008/ US/08/20/ corporal. punishment/

http://www.asbj. com/MainMenuCate gory/Archive/ 2009/January/

Legal-Problems- with-Corporal- Punishment. aspx

http://www.stophitt

ing.com/index. php

My understanding is that,

unfortunately, that there is not much you can do about it. It’s

just like when the school will not follow the IEP. They have all the

power and we have very little. It’s NOT right. I hope

things change for kids soon. In the meantime, I am at a specialized

private school whose policies align with my beliefs about disciplining

children and teaching children with autism.

From:

Texas-Autism- Advocacy@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Texas- Autism-Advocacy@

yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Michele McCants

Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:30 PM

To: Texas-Autism- Advocacy@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: [Texas-Autism- Advocacy] Question about corporal punishment

Does anyone know the TEA guidelines for corporal punishment,

specifically if there is an age requirement? Someone told me that

they thought children under a specific age could not be spanked at

school. My son was spanked yesterday and he is in kindergarten and

the principal left marks.

Thanks for any help,

Michele