Re: I've Got A Problem

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In a message dated 10/23/99 1:08:45 AM Central Daylight Time,

diamonique@... writes:

<< It's about pivoting and aiming that supporting foot

outward, using those stomach muscles for balance, etc.

>>

Sandy, Another thing. I have trouble on one side when doing the sidekick.

I, also, have trouble pivoting fully on the supporting leg. You know that

warm-up exercise where we have all our weight on one leg...all the way down

on the floor...with the other leg extended, and we point and flex? I find

that if while down there, if I focus on turning out from the inside of the

bent leg, and even place the same side elbow inside my thigh with the hand on

the floor and lean the arm into the inside of the thigh...that it stretches

and helps with turn out necessary to hold the position (in addition to

controlled abs). Hope this description makes sense.

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Domonique,

Good for you for working on your form. Do you have AL4 yet? I think he

might of mentioned this in another tape or I saw it somewhere else, but in

the end of AL4, shows on a aparticular move where the erector muscles

are in you rlower back and explained that sometimes you will feel it in your

lower back, I always do and on the kicks too, I've checked my form over and

over (I've been plagued with a bad back ALL of my life) But when I move on

to the next move the pain dissapates. But honestly in the begginging I think

I WAS a little sore there. I talked to a friends of mine who is an RN (

don't take this as medical advice, just something to think about) he asked

me a number of questions about the pain I was feeling and told me that it was

in my muscles. He said that you get a little soreness whenever you work one

of your weaker muscles. Working my lower back isnt' that bed, eventually

all the pain I had pre-taebo day disappeared, except for the muscle fatigue I

feel whenever I do some of the moves in Taebo. Correcting the way your feet

are postioned will take active thinking and repetition. But since I don't

know how severe or mild the pain is do take comfort that a little pain is a

sign that those muscles are becoming stronger. Do you feel a little burning

or pain when you hold a lunge for long? It's the same thing in the back,

except we are more sensitive as we rightfully should be about pain there. I

had to go through some intensive physical therapy fr my back. I can

reccommend that you look on the internet or maybe in a fitness book for some

back strengthening excercises and stretches. These will not only help

strenghten those muscles they will also give you a good indicator of what you

should be feeling when you workout those muscles as these excercises are

usually hard to do wrong.

Sorry this is SOO long

<< This is a long one, folks, but I really need your encouragement. I think I

mentioned this here before. I thought I had the problem licked, but

obviously I was wrong.

I'm still having this aggravating lower back pain. Today it's pretty bad.

Not a sharp pain, but a constant nagging pain. I know exactly why I have

the pain. I'm doing the kicks incorrectly. Balance, as mentioned earlier,

is part of the problem.

Thank goodness 's book has that troubleshooting section. It told me

exactly what I'm doing wrong. My problem now is how to correct it. I

mean... the book tells me what I should correct, but my body just doesn't

want to do that. It's about pivoting and aiming that supporting foot

outward, using those stomach muscles for balance, etc.

This was how I did today's workout for my 21dc. I worked on my form for

the kicks and the uppercuts. I could tell the difference immediately.

Although the pain was there (it's a constant with me now), it didn't

increase when I did the moves correctly, like it usually does when I do

them wrong. But I have to do it very slowly to get everything in the

proper position. This is as is should be I think. I have to focus and

think about each movement, each position, each muscle, as I go through the

motion. OK fine.

But how the heck do I do this during a real workout? By the time I get one

kick done, they've completed a whole set of 8! That's not a workout,

that's ballet practice! Plus, it slows down my heart rate and blows my

aerobic work all to hell.

Please understand that I'm not complaining. I guess I just need to vent.

I'm on the 13th day of my challenge, and I have to slow everything down to

a crawl. This doesn't feel like much of a workout OR much of a challenge.

I realize the importance of form (if my brain doesn't know it, my lower

back sure does), but I think I'm feeling very discouraged cuz I don't think

I'll ever be able to do this correctly and do it fast enough to keep a good

workout going. If I can't correct this problem I'll have to stop TaeBo cuz

my back won't take much more of this. Heaven knows I don't want to give up

TaeBo.

To top this off, I did a stupid thing. I got on the scale. Haven't lost a

pound.

Oh well... enough crying from me. I haven't lost my will. I just need

some encouragement, and I knew this was the place to come for it.

Thanks for listening.

Diamonique

down in the dumps

>>

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In a message dated 10/23/1999 10:03:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

SRFerron@... writes:

<< Another thing. I have trouble on one side when doing the sidekick.

I, also, have trouble pivoting fully on the supporting leg. You know that

warm-up exercise where we have all our weight on one leg...all the way down

on the floor...with the other leg extended, and we point and flex? I find

that if while down there, if I focus on turning out from the inside of the

bent leg, and even place the same side elbow inside my thigh with the hand

on

the floor and lean the arm into the inside of the thigh...that it stretches

and helps with turn out necessary to hold the position (in addition to

controlled abs). Hope this description makes sense. >>

if that is the exercise I am thinking of, I cannot put my heel of the

supporting foot down so do it on the balls of my foot.

Barb

who thinks I do not have enough flexibility to do that one like does

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In a message dated 10/23/1999 11:56:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

diamonique@... writes:

<< At 11:05 AM 10/23/1999 -0400, Janou wrote:

>Why not try to take some

>aspirin (which is good anti-inflammatory) and not tylenol, for a couple of

>days....

I didn't know this. Thanks Janou!

-- Sandy >>

also Advil or Motrin works well

Barb

who avoids aspirin and Excedrin cuz of bleeding and bruising problems

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> Please understand that I'm not complaining. I guess I just need to vent.

> I'm on the 13th day of my challenge, and I have to slow everything down to

> a crawl. This doesn't feel like much of a workout OR much of a challenge.

Everyone has given you really good advice. Do the kicks slowly until you get

the hang of it. You will eventually be able to speed it up, even though it

might not seem like it now. If you want to make sure you get a good workout,

modify the kicks to something that you can do with correct form. Maybe just

lift your leg without kicking, or kick at ankle level, or just march it out.

The one thing I would advise that I didn't seem mentioned directly was to

strengthen those abs. The strength of your abs directly affects how your back

feels. If your abs aren't doing their job, the back will feel it! So that's my

little addition. I've gotta run, because I have a Pittsburgh Tae-Bo lunch to go

to today!

Just4kicks

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Ok, Sandy, I think that first of all it is really important to improve on

your form to prevent other back problems. It you don't get an aerobic

workout out of it for a couple of days so what? It'll just be better in the

end. Second, from doing the moves incorrectly you have probably hurt one of

your back muscles (it probably is inflammed and therefore you have muscle

spasms, that's why the pain stays with you now). Why not try to take some

aspirin (which is good anti-inflammatory) and not tylenol, for a couple of

days....

Good luck!

Janou

who can't wait to start doing taebo again... (it's a long story)

I've Got A Problem

> This is a long one, folks, but I really need your encouragement. I think

I

> mentioned this here before. I thought I had the problem licked, but

> obviously I was wrong.

>

> I'm still having this aggravating lower back pain. Today it's pretty bad.

> Not a sharp pain, but a constant nagging pain. I know exactly why I have

> the pain. I'm doing the kicks incorrectly. Balance, as mentioned

earlier,

> is part of the problem.

>

> Thank goodness 's book has that troubleshooting section. It told me

> exactly what I'm doing wrong. My problem now is how to correct it. I

> mean... the book tells me what I should correct, but my body just doesn't

> want to do that. It's about pivoting and aiming that supporting foot

> outward, using those stomach muscles for balance, etc.

>

> This was how I did today's workout for my 21dc. I worked on my form for

> the kicks and the uppercuts. I could tell the difference immediately.

> Although the pain was there (it's a constant with me now), it didn't

> increase when I did the moves correctly, like it usually does when I do

> them wrong. But I have to do it very slowly to get everything in the

> proper position. This is as is should be I think. I have to focus and

> think about each movement, each position, each muscle, as I go through the

> motion. OK fine.

>

> But how the heck do I do this during a real workout? By the time I get

one

> kick done, they've completed a whole set of 8! That's not a workout,

> that's ballet practice! Plus, it slows down my heart rate and blows my

> aerobic work all to hell.

>

> Please understand that I'm not complaining. I guess I just need to vent.

> I'm on the 13th day of my challenge, and I have to slow everything down to

> a crawl. This doesn't feel like much of a workout OR much of a challenge.

> I realize the importance of form (if my brain doesn't know it, my lower

> back sure does), but I think I'm feeling very discouraged cuz I don't

think

> I'll ever be able to do this correctly and do it fast enough to keep a

good

> workout going. If I can't correct this problem I'll have to stop TaeBo

cuz

> my back won't take much more of this. Heaven knows I don't want to give

up

> TaeBo.

>

> To top this off, I did a stupid thing. I got on the scale. Haven't lost

a

> pound.

>

> Oh well... enough crying from me. I haven't lost my will. I just need

> some encouragement, and I knew this was the place to come for it.

>

> Thanks for listening.

>

> Diamonique

> down in the dumps

>

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You won't like this at all Sandy, but if I were your doctor I would

suggest you stop your 21 DC for now, even if you've gone past the halfway

mark. From the way you describe your pain - well and good if it's just a

simple muscle ache...but what if it's much worse than that? Your body is

still being constantly traumatized so it won't have a chance to heal. The

21 DC will always be there - you can resume it once your body has healed,

which won't take long with proper management (you may want to see a health

care provider). A 21 DC done in proper form, and ergo, less pain, will be a

more meaningful experience for you. At least the pain will just be from the

usual exercise fatigue, and not from - heaven forbid - spinal column/disc

problems. For all you know, the reason you're having difficulty with proper

form is because of that pain.

So let your body heal, then work on the form (with pain as some sort of

guide telling you - hey check your form!). Then when you've gotten the hang

of it your aerobic workout will come naturally. And so will the 21 DC. As

far as I'm concerned, I think you've pretty much developed the habit *and*

the will which is the whole point of the 21 DC anyway.

Just my two cents' worth.

wendr:)

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Janou

who can't wait to start doing taebo again... (it's a

long story)

Yeah I know the reason... for the long story... LOL...

hope you're feeling fine today.... i know i am.... not

much sleep but i'm having a good time.

=====

Angel_Dove (a.k.a. Energizer Bunny Rabbit, Lucie)

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At 10:26 AM 10/23/1999 EDT, you wrote:

> shows on a aparticular move where the erector muscles

>are in you rlower back and explained that sometimes you will feel it in your

>lower back, I always do and on the kicks too, I've checked my form over

>and over (I've been plagued with a bad back ALL of my life) But when I

>move on to the next move the pain dissapates. But honestly in the

begginging >I think I WAS a little sore there.

I understand normal soreness from working out, but this is different. The

first 4 or 5 days that I started doing Taebo were the ones where I felt all

that soreness from exercise. Once my body got used to the workouts, the

soreness subsided. I still feel a tiny bit in my leg, butt, arm, and

shoulder muscles. This just lets me know that I'm working them correctly.

But this lower left back pain is something entirely different. This pain

doesn't even feel like normal muscle soreness from exercise. This is the

kind of pain that tells us that something is wrong... and it's gone on too

long and gotten worse instead of easing up.

>I can

>reccommend that you look on the internet or maybe in a fitness book for some

>back strengthening excercises and stretches.

That's a great idea! I'll look for that today.

Thank you !

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At 11:05 AM 10/23/1999 -0400, Janou wrote:

>Why not try to take some

>aspirin (which is good anti-inflammatory) and not tylenol, for a couple of

>days....

I didn't know this. Thanks Janou!

-- Sandy