Re: Ormus and tumors, was reversing cancer

[Guest guest]

Please bear with me, but what is Ormus?

I have both uterine and breast fibroid tumors. I've had them for many

years and would do almost anything to be rid of them. Dealing with

swelling and pain of said tumors would be nothing considering what I go

through monthly.

Spiritually, I feel just fine. I'm advancing at a good pace.The

physical is my issue.

Interested in other's responses,

-Raine

ransley wrote:

It will go off topic fast here, but one of the things that bothers me so

much about the forums where it is on topic is that those forums are

overloaded with seekers of spiritual advancement. If you spend much time

talking about the health benefits of consuming ormus substances, you

will

sooner or later get knocked for such. As far as I'm concerned, it's all

no

different from being surrounded with people in church who are "so

heavenly

minded that they ain't no earthly good".

On the ormus forums I regularly lament this attitude. As far as I'm

concerned, if you ignore physical sufffering, your spirituality is

suspect.

There, that's my rant.

That being said, I am a very enthusiastic ormus taker. It has made so

many

fantastic differences in the lives of me, my wife, and three of our four

children, that it all sounds rather fantastic. It was ormus products

that

healed my lumbar pain and cause me to grow 7/8" taller (re-gained

height,

previously lost to spinal compression). It was also these substances

that

rekindled my aforementioned intuition. (Remember when I said I wasn't

going

to get metaphysical?)

For my wife- the disappearance of large uterine tumors (fibroid) and the

restarting of the menses when it appeared they had stopped.

For one daughter- the complete cessation of Opthalmic Migraine episodes

of a

rather severe nature- over 50% blindness for nearly an hour at a time at

least once a week.

For the other daughter- the quick cesssation of the beginnings of

Opthalmic

Migraine, and the apparent healing of a knee injury that had bothered

her

for 5 years.

The two other children have taken it. The third daughter shot up a half

inch

when she took just a little. The oldest son has not reported anything

positive yet. Both he and his wife have taken it and they did say it

affects

their emotions.

It does that, it will clear your emotions out in the same way it attacks

tumors- it turns them inside out. I warned my wife about it. After

about 4

weeks of taking it, she turned into a Tigress for about a day, then it

started getting better for her.

OK, I said that to say this- in our experience, Hudson is right.

Although my

wife's tumors were not malignant, she experienced a great deal of

intense

discomfort while they dissolved. While I was worried about it, I called

my

supplier. It was then that he told me what was going on, that the tumors

were swelling.

Later, in reference to my questions about giving it to a friend with a

spinal tumor- he did not want me to do it for the very reason that it

would

enlarge the tumor first, possibly causing paralysis. Depsite his

enthusisam

for his product, he suggested surgery for her, then ormus to speed

healing.

He did say that if that was not at all an option, that she could take

it,

but must be prepared for the intermediate consequences.

So if anyone considers ormus for a tumor, be forewarned.

There has been much discussion on those forums that DMSO and MSM are

susbstances that should not be taken while taking ormus. I think at long

last some of us who have done both have shown that we can benefit from

both

if both are used wisely and judiciously. I for one am not about to

abandon

my DMSO and MSM.

[Guest guest]

That is my understanding too Donna. Particularly if you are within 10-15

years of menopause or exposed to many xenoestrogens, estrogen can be in

relative excess to progesterone. Many find relief with topical

progesterone

creams. You can order home tests so that you can confirm you need them

and then

purchase them OTC or use herbal sources like Wild Yam. Good to run the

tests

when using the cream to double check that you are in the right zone.

Also if you can find a practitioner that does bio-IDENTICAL hormone

replacement

that is worth looking into. Not bionatural or any facisimile, must be

bioidentical.

Suzanne Sommers wrote a book about her experience with HRT and

bioidentical that is suppose to be

very good.

Garnet

> My understanding is that this is largely caused by low progesterone.

> Yes? No?

>

> I know one lady who used lime colored light filter for an hour a day

> (months) to treat yeast and said she found her uterine fibroid

> completely vanished.

> (do web search for color therapy - Dr. Dinshah I believe)

>

> Another used Far Infrared successfully.

> http://www.excellentthings.com

>

> Also, if it was me, I would be doing EFT. http://www.emofree.com

>

> I pray that you find the answer for you.

> Blessings

> Donna

> http://www.excellentthings.com

> Re: Ormus and tumors, was reversing cancer

>

>

> Please bear with me, but what is Ormus?

>

> I have both uterine and breast fibroid tumors. I've had them

> for many years and would do almost anything to be rid of them.

> Dealing with swelling and pain of said tumors would be nothing

> considering what I go through monthly.

>

> Spiritually, I feel just fine. I'm advancing at a good

> pace.The physical is my issue.

>

> Interested in other's responses,

>

> -Raine

>

> ransley wrote:

> > It will go off topic fast here, but one of the things that

> > bothers me so

> > much about the forums where it is on topic is that those

> > forums are

> > overloaded with seekers of spiritual advancement. If you

> > spend much time

> > talking about the health benefits of consuming ormus

> > substances, you will

> > sooner or later get knocked for such. As far as I'm

> > concerned, it's all no

> > different from being surrounded with people in church who

> > are " so heavenly

> > minded that they ain't no earthly good " .

> > On the ormus forums I regularly lament this attitude. As far

> > as I'm

> > concerned, if you ignore physical sufffering, your

> > spirituality is suspect.

> >

> > There, that's my rant.

> >

> > That being said, I am a very enthusiastic ormus taker. It

> > has made so many

> > fantastic differences in the lives of me, my wife, and three

> > of our four

> > children, that it all sounds rather fantastic. It was ormus

> > products that

> > healed my lumbar pain and cause me to grow 7/8 " taller

> > (re-gained height,

> > previously lost to spinal compression). It was also these

> > substances that

> > rekindled my aforementioned intuition. (Remember when I said

> > I wasn't going

> > to get metaphysical?)

> >

> > For my wife- the disappearance of large uterine tumors

> > (fibroid) and the

> > restarting of the menses when it appeared they had stopped.

> >

> > For one daughter- the complete cessation of Opthalmic

> > Migraine episodes of a

> > rather severe nature- over 50% blindness for nearly an hour

> > at a time at

> > least once a week.

> >

> > For the other daughter- the quick cesssation of the

> > beginnings of Opthalmic

> > Migraine, and the apparent healing of a knee injury that had

> > bothered her

> > for 5 years.

> >

> > The two other children have taken it. The third daughter

> > shot up a half inch

> > when she took just a little. The oldest son has not reported

> > anything

> > positive yet. Both he and his wife have taken it and they

> > did say it affects

> > their emotions.

> >

> > It does that, it will clear your emotions out in the same

> > way it attacks

> > tumors- it turns them inside out. I warned my wife about it.

> > After about 4

> > weeks of taking it, she turned into a Tigress for about a

> > day, then it

> > started getting better for her.

> >

> > OK, I said that to say this- in our experience, Hudson is

> > right. Although my

> > wife's tumors were not malignant, she experienced a great

> > deal of intense

> > discomfort while they dissolved. While I was worried about

> > it, I called my

> > supplier. It was then that he told me what was going on,

> > that the tumors

> > were swelling.

> >

> > Later, in reference to my questions about giving it to a

> > friend with a

> > spinal tumor- he did not want me to do it for the very

> > reason that it would

> > enlarge the tumor first, possibly causing paralysis. Depsite

> > his enthusisam

> > for his product, he suggested surgery for her, then ormus to

> > speed healing.

> > He did say that if that was not at all an option, that she

> > could take it,

> > but must be prepared for the intermediate consequences.

> >

> > So if anyone considers ormus for a tumor, be forewarned.

> >

> > There has been much discussion on those forums that DMSO and

> > MSM are

> > susbstances that should not be taken while taking ormus. I

> > think at long

> > last some of us who have done both have shown that we can

> > benefit from both

> > if both are used wisely and judiciously. I for one am not

> > about to abandon

> > my DMSO and MSM.

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

My understanding is that this is largely caused by low progesterone. Yes? No?

I know one lady who used lime colored light filter for an hour a day (months) to treat yeast and said she found her uterine fibroid completely vanished.

(do web search for color therapy - Dr. Dinshah I believe)

Another used Far Infrared successfully.

http://www.excellentthings.com

Also, if it was me, I would be doing EFT. http://www.emofree.com

I pray that you find the answer for you.

Blessings

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com

Re: Ormus and tumors, was reversing cancer

Please bear with me, but what is Ormus?I have both uterine and breast fibroid tumors. I've had them for many years and would do almost anything to be rid of them. Dealing with swelling and pain of said tumors would be nothing considering what I go through monthly. Spiritually, I feel just fine. I'm advancing at a good pace.The physical is my issue.Interested in other's responses,-Raineransley wrote: It will go off topic fast here, but one of the things that bothers me somuch about the forums where it is on topic is that those forums areoverloaded with seekers of spiritual advancement. If you spend much timetalking about the health benefits of consuming ormus substances, you willsooner or later get knocked for such. As far as I'm concerned, it's all nodifferent from being surrounded with people in church who are "so heavenlyminded that they ain't no earthly good".On the ormus forums I regularly lament this attitude. As far as I'mconcerned, if you ignore physical sufffering, your spirituality is suspect.There, that's my rant.That being said, I am a very enthusiastic ormus taker. It has made so manyfantastic differences in the lives of me, my wife, and three of our fourchildren, that it all sounds rather fantastic. It was ormus products thathealed my lumbar pain and cause me to grow 7/8" taller (re-gained height,previously lost to spinal compression). It was also these substances thatrekindled my aforementioned intuition. (Remember when I said I wasn't goingto get metaphysical?)For my wife- the disappearance of large uterine tumors (fibroid) and therestarting of the menses when it appeared they had stopped.For one daughter- the complete cessation of Opthalmic Migraine episodes of arather severe nature- over 50% blindness for nearly an hour at a time atleast once a week.For the other daughter- the quick cesssation of the beginnings of OpthalmicMigraine, and the apparent healing of a knee injury that had bothered herfor 5 years.The two other children have taken it. The third daughter shot up a half inchwhen she took just a little. The oldest son has not reported anythingpositive yet. Both he and his wife have taken it and they did say it affectstheir emotions.It does that, it will clear your emotions out in the same way it attackstumors- it turns them inside out. I warned my wife about it. After about 4weeks of taking it, she turned into a Tigress for about a day, then itstarted getting better for her.OK, I said that to say this- in our experience, Hudson is right. Although mywife's tumors were not malignant, she experienced a great deal of intensediscomfort while they dissolved. While I was worried about it, I called mysupplier. It was then that he told me what was going on, that the tumorswere swelling.Later, in reference to my questions about giving it to a friend with aspinal tumor- he did not want me to do it for the very reason that it wouldenlarge the tumor first, possibly causing paralysis. Depsite his enthusisamfor his product, he suggested surgery for her, then ormus to speed healing.He did say that if that was not at all an option, that she could take it,but must be prepared for the intermediate consequences.So if anyone considers ormus for a tumor, be forewarned.There has been much discussion on those forums that DMSO and MSM aresusbstances that should not be taken while taking ormus. I think at longlast some of us who have done both have shown that we can benefit from bothif both are used wisely and judiciously. I for one am not about to abandonmy DMSO and MSM.__________ NOD32 1.1194 (20050815) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com

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I have the Dinshah color filters. Have not had many occasions to use them,

but I believe they are good to have on hand and the 2 times I used them for

a toothache they worked great. Dr. Dinshah's book is totally fascinating.

samala

" tossed down to live among angels, who have forgotten what they are, I

strive to remember " RLV 1998

-------Original Message-------

I know one lady who used lime colored light filter for an hour a day

(months) to treat yeast and said she found her uterine fibroid completely

vanished.

(do web search for color therapy - Dr. Dinshah I believe)

[Guest guest]

Hi Garnet. This is an interesting topic to me as I am 54. I am in the process of menopause. Fortunately due to my good diet and lifestyle I have very few symptoms. The few I have had I have eliminated with progesterone cream. However I have this feeling of fullness or pressure in the nether zones. Doesn't feel right. When I stop the cream it stops.???

I have been considering the option of doing raw ovary. I wonder about that. I have done so well on raw adrenal recently, and raw thyroid in the past, that I wonder if raw ovary would be as good. Just makes sense to me that if the ovaries are up and running that your own body would balance hormones for you.

There is nothing like the bodies own production.

I recently tried a progesterone homeopathic 3x. After a few weeks I had a period and it was horrific. Only high estrogen has ever caused me to have painful periods. So I stopped it.

Wish I knew more about this. I do know that progesterone cream will raise estrogen levels short term. Perhaps I didn't take the progesterone homeopathic long enough to get past that, but I was chicken. Smile.

Perhaps if I took both estrogen and progesterone homeopathic then it would have worked better. Supposedly with homeopathics of these they will reduce excess or increase low levels. So they work no matter what the embalance is??? I also wonder about if you should also do dhea?

On the home tests issue. Do you have a link?

Also, does any one know of a good list that discusses this. I was in one years ago, but the lady runningit sold progesterone cream and didn't want much of anything else discussed that conficted with her sales, so the info was skewed.

Thanks

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com

Re: Ormus and tumors, was reversing cancer

That is my understanding too Donna. Particularly if you are within 10-15years of menopause or exposed to many xenoestrogens, estrogen can be in relative excess to progesterone. Many find relief with topicalprogesterone creams. You can order home tests

[Guest guest]

The garlic breath reaction varies from individual to indvidual. No one

knows

the why or how of it at this point. I often don't notice it when using

DMSO

topically but when I use it in larger amounts or orally I do. I take

chlorophyll

tablets to control the odor, two 50 mg.

Garnet

> A question;

> While using a homemade CS/DMSO mixture topically, I have never had the

> garlic/oyster breath that others have reported. Does this mean

> anything?

>

> -Raine

[Guest guest]

To respond to this;

I've been aware of my uterine fibroids since my first pregnancy at age

17, when it was initially thought that I was having twins. An

ultrasound proved it to be the fibroid. (The second child also provided

the false twin claim.) At age 25, the breast fibrioids first became

problematic. I've had several mammograms (only to realize the risk I

was posing to myself by radiating healthy breast tissue). I believe

myself to be hypothyroid, and I think this is somehow related to the

fibroids, or rather vice versa.

My point with this all is that I was not close to menopause when these

problems first occurred, but my hormones were/are out of whack- via

pregnancy or thyroid issues. I'm trying to get it all balanced out now,

at age 33.

Thanks to Garnet's suggestions, I am taking MSM orally as well as using

DMSO topically on the breast fibroid.

I have tried soy progesterone cream in the past. There was not a

noticable difference.

Sorry menfolk, for the following; Last month I bled for two weeks

straight (?), and afterward was the first time I'd had any interest in

sex in a long time. I'm desperately hoping this means I'm getting this

mess straightened out.

I don't have insurance, nor am I interested in paying doctors for their

drug co.-influenced opinions. I want to try what has worked for others

in similar circumstances.

-Raine

Garnet wrote:

That is my understanding too Donna. Particularly if you are within 10-15

years of menopause or exposed to many xenoestrogens, estrogen can be in

relative excess to progesterone. Many find relief with topical

progesterone

creams. You can order home tests so that you can confirm you need them

and then

purchase them OTC or use herbal sources like Wild Yam. Good to run the

tests

when using the cream to double check that you are in the right zone.

Also if you can find a practitioner that does bio-IDENTICAL hormone

replacement

that is worth looking into. Not bionatural or any facisimile, must be

bioidentical.

Suzanne Sommers wrote a book about her experience with HRT and

bioidentical that is suppose to be

very good.

Garnet

> My understanding is that this is largely caused by low

progesterone.

> Yes? No?

>

<snip>

[Guest guest]

Raine,

You might want to look into using bindweed (Convolvulus arvensis) as well. I have harvested quite a bit this summer and made both traditional ethanol tinctures and DMSO tinctures from it. I think it may offer great promise in tumor related conditions. Read about it at:

http://www.springboard4health.com/notebook/health_bindweed.html

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_May/ai_85131525

Bindweed is very common in many parts of the USA. Tincture it fresh in DMSO.

doug

[Guest guest]

Hi Garnet and all,

An update on this (again my apologies to the menfolk).

I've been taking MSM daily and using DMSO topically to treat my breast

fibroids for the last 4 weeks. I have noticed an improvement. The large

fibroid I usually have "flare up" about a week prior to my period is

gone. That is amazing!

The strange thing is that I've developed vericose veins on one breast?

Not sure what that's from...

I've made two other changes in my health regimine recently; I've begun

adding sea salt to my drinking water as per the water cure, and I've

begun energizing my drinking water (www.energizedwater.info/).

Thanks again for the suggestion!

-Raine

Garnet wrote:

Stanley , MD the developer of DMSO mentions fibroids and DMSO

and although he says it is not all that effective some people do

get relief. A friend of mine said it helped her, but not sure if

it totally resolved them. It does break down collagen cross linking

and can flatten scar tissue, but may not eliminate it entirely. That

is one reason I thought of it for my friend. Also it increases

circulation

and that is usually a good thing. And is very antinflammatory and blocks

the pain signal if the C nerve fibers.

<snip>