8-week Speed & Flexibility Training Program

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Making the statement as to maximizing these kids potential is a very bold

statement. Unless you are running a program as the Soviets did years ago where

the kid is tested put into the athletic program that he accelled in and then

sleeps, breaths every aspect of his sport every day. That maximizes his

potential. Your program may correct him to a perfect lordoctic posture that

allows the disipation of forces in the lumbar region but this does not maximize

his potential. This may, in your opinion, maximize his body to absorb impact,

run faster, jump higher and so forth. This is just another segment of what it

takes to " maximize the athletic potential " . If you believe that your spinal

fitness is more than that, then you are selling nothing more than a " 6 minute

abs " routine to greater fitness.

Your statement, generalizes that your program or J.Schergers program will take

the athlete to the maximium ability of performance. That is bold. Your program

as any training program is a piece of the puzzle. It takes many pieces to

complete the puzzle.

Your assesment of injury pre-disposition based on lateral view of a seated

x-ray is a leap. Your telling us that by correcting the lumbar region, to your

(x) degree of lumbar lordosis, you are decreasing the potential for toe, foot,

ankle, knee, hips, back, shoulder, neck, elbow,wrist, hand, head injuries?

I get the idea that you are not hands on administering this program. Are your

people or the high school coaches training the kids?

I see quite a number of young athletes today without or with very little

lumbar lordosis. This can be attributed to a number of factors. 1. Very poor

coaching. 2. Very poor coaching. 3. Very poor coaching.

It is very easy to asses. 1. Hamstrings are too tight. 2. Has been taught to

worry more about the weight lifted than the form and range of motion used to

lift it. This leads to strength imbalances and posture problems, OH YEAH....

TIGHT HAMSTRINGS.

FIX.: Get them on a well round overall stretching program, especially the

hamstrings. ucate the firing patterns for correct movement. Start them on

bodyweight movements with proper form and complete range of motion. Train their

upper backs properly.

You are obviously a Scherger disciple as the lumbar spine is your universe. It

amazes me that you and Scherger never mention hamstrings in all your references

to lumbar spine and lordosis. The hamstrings are the culprit many times in

posterior pelvic rotation and subsequent loss of lumbar lordosis and excessive

kyphosis of thoracic spine and neutral cervical spine . If you would start a

ground up assesment of an individual. Start at feet, observe supination or

pronation. This can explain some knee problems and then hip problems. Assess

knee joint and quad, hamstring and ITB relation of strength and flexibility.

This again can explain some knee and hip problems. We get to hips and lumbar

lordosis or lack of lordosis. What we find is tight hamstrings and the

subsequent posterior rotation of pelvic structure and loss of lordosis. Now we

can play around with teaching ab and torso exercises utilizing the magical

cushion or we can stretch and strengthen their hamstrings,

reeducate glutes and properly train upper back musculature as in most

circumstances lack of lordosis is followed by hyperkyphosis of upper back.

BTW when the hamstrings get loose their stride length increases.

You treat the spine as if nothing else effects it and it functions solely as a

system within itself.

If you built a building with a foundation that was out of level would you? A.

just make the superstructure above it stronger and longer in areas to compensate

for the out of level foundation. B. Correct the foundation so that all the

superstructure above it would be level and of the same strength.

I am glad that you or your organization are taking the time to work with young

athletes. Hopefully educating them in the proper techniques and form to use when

lifting and proper stretching. I would hope that you would take a broader view

on the spine and associated structures as you are so focused on the segment that

you miss the whole.

Damien Chiappini

SPF Performance

Pittsburgh

. Forbes wrote:

Boxeraugust,

<<<The answer to some of your questions is no. What I DO is track their

Orthopedic examinations before and after the training program. We will have

pre-post X-rays to objectively show structural improvement in simple

Orthopedic Models. The head coach will do all his testing for what he tests

his athletes on, if you want to know what those test are I will have that

information available, which should be soon. I will then test the kids in

their 40 yrd. dash, the vertical jump, and sit & reach test. I am not an

expert in nutrition, so I have no impact on their eating habbits, other than

telling them they should see an expert if they want an expert. It is just

not where my expertise is, and they are well aware of that.

As far as their skill training, one of them is in track, the other two are

not. I am aware of it, I have made notes in their medical charts within

their SOAP notes of who, what, when, where, why, and how of any activities

they are doing outside of this program. As far as film is concerned, I have

access to all games, practices, scrimmages at anytime. I make notes of what

I see when I watch a player. I check his stride length, I look for guys who

go out with stingers after big hits, or how a quarterback is consistantly

under/overthrowing his receivers. Things like that. I played collegiately

at Central Washington University at Strong Safety in 1991-1992. I know what

the feeling is of a 10 game season, and the things I look for, are the exact

same things I saw as a player actually going thru it. Guys who know...KNOW

the little things to look for....stuff like that.

As far as my statement being BOLD.....exactly what part do you consider

bold?

Your curiosity is answered simply by looking at any standard anatomy book

and/or physiology book. When the lumbar and cervical regions of the spine

are X-rayed from the lateral view, you should see, as you will in the books

I just mentioned, a lordotic curvature that allows the segmental region of

the spine to absorb forces posteriorly, and diverge then out the anterior

aspect harmlessly. If you look carefully as the athletes lateral X-rays,

you will see ALL OF THEM have little to NO curve in either their backs or

necks.

Now, after the 8-week program, when I analyze their X-rays, I will see

either: NO change, SOME change, or ALOT of change in their structure.

Regardless of what degree they improve, although I prefer the most

possible.......they will have reduced......to what degree I am not

claiming......I have no way of knowing, their pre-disposition to injuries,

simply by allowing their spine to absorb forces more effeciently and safely.

The athletes, parents, and coaches all know every little bit helps!

The parents, athletes, and coaches were present during the FIRST workout to

watch exactly what was going on. They were present during all examinations,

and their R.O.F. (report of findings) were given in an in-depth manner and

all questions answered.

If you have some constructive advice in regards to nutrition....I am always

happy to

listen.>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Casler wrote:

Could you " detail " just what you think this will verify? and how

you think it will be verified?

You say it will " verify that a system works " .

Without knowing the actual potential of the athlete before the

implementation, how will this be established? <SNIP>

Forbes wrote:

Mr. Casler....

I will be making a post on the messages board of Spinal Fitness

Athletic Training that will speak in regard to that and other items

about criteria...

You can expect to see that within the week.

Casler writes:

Hi ,

Number one, that doesn't answer the questions, and I find it rather

presumptuous to post to this list and then " refer " us to another site to

" search " for answers to " simple " questions.

I give seminars and workshops also, but do not tell list members to come to

my workshops to have their " simple " questions answered, unless they are in

need of an " in depth " response that cannot be posted.

I can only assume that there is no answer to my questions, and " searching "

your referred site (the original link didn't work by the way and took me to

e-mail) will not yield any satisfactory answer either.

I certainly respect those with books, courses, workshops, seminars,

websites, and such, not having the time to write encyclopedias on their

subjects, and " pointing " list members to their material for " in depth "

information.

What I asked, could easily be answered in a couple sentences.

Regards,

Casler

TRI-VECTOR 3-D Force Systems

Century City, CA