Guest guest Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Hi Obie and welcome to the group. It would be interesting to hear how you are stopping urinary infections is such short time using h2o2. I haven't used DMSO for much of anything except sprains, so have no information for you, except that I do think Garnett mentioned a long time ago that DMSO can cure urinary infections, too. It will be interesting to see how this conversation plays out. I know a member here who infuses herbs into DMSO. And I can't imagine that DMSO would damage organs because you can take DMSO internally. But there are others on the list with far more personal experience with DMSO that I have, and I know they will be able to help you. Samala, -------Original Message------- You see, I've established a procedure whereby, using blended Hydrogen Peroxide, Urinary Tract Infections can be relieved in about 5 seconds and last for months for myself and I offered it to two others lists. Presently, I'd like to take the procedure and add an appropriate volume of DSMO so as to flow the HP through the urethral tissues and make it available to the Prostate. Except I don't have a grasp on DMSO yet. So can you and the list assist me, do you think? And, actually, I'm only seeking anecdotal responses; what we did and how that worked for us, the result. So here's my initial questions. I understand DMSO should be blended with water to bring it to 70% for a topical application. Would you suggest a formula for bringing my 90% product to 70% (sorry, don't have chemistry in my background), please? Also, does DMSO mix well with HP and does it have the ability to flow HP through tissue, make it available to the Prostate? Equally important, please, is, although DMSO may work well flowing through skin and muscle tissue, are there complications when using DMSO with organs? If you know, will the liquid flow pass directly through all tissue or should we expect a flow around selected tissue (bone, cartledge, nerve, etc)? Garnett, are there other sources of information you'd suggest I look into in addition to the list, please? Of course, I'd love to hear from anybody who'd like to offer their own experience using HP with DMSO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Obie wrote: > > > Dear Garnett, G'morning, I'm Obie, a newby, just joined the group. During > the joining process, I noted that there are 501 members and, this morning I > looked and there have been only 1 message during August. I know that this > may indicate that all the DSMO'ers are on vacation but it made me curious > about whether I've chosen the appropriate list to ask questions and receive > help as I go about developing a protocol for Prostate Cancer relief. Can't say, as I don't know what you need to know. > > You see, I've established a procedure whereby, using blended Hydrogen > Peroxide, Urinary Tract Infections can be relieved in about 5 seconds and > last for months for myself and I offered it to two others lists. Presently, > I'd like to take the procedure and add an appropriate volume of DSMO so as > to flow the HP through the urethral tissues and make it available to the > Prostate. Except I don't have a grasp on DMSO yet. DMSO is a strong antioxidant and H2O2 a strong oxidizing agent. I have never mixed the two. You might try an archive search as this has come up before. I believe someone did try mixing them but can't remember if we were just speculating on how powerful the reaction would be. I am not a chemist either so can't make any predictions other than to say I would try it outside, with a fan on and try to devise a way to mix from a distance just in case. There could be an explosion. Remember H2O2 is used for rocket fuel at a concentration of 90%. > > So can you and the list assist me, do you think? And, actually, I'm only > seeking anecdotal responses; what we did and how that worked for us, the > result. So here's my initial questions. > > I understand DMSO should be blended with water to bring it to 70% for a > topical application. Would you suggest a formula for bringing my 90% > product to 70% (sorry, don't have chemistry in my background), please? Since the percentages recommended are ball park just treat your 90% DMSO as though it was 100%. 1 part DMSO and 9 Parts Distilled water = 10% DMSO 2 parts DMSO and 8 Parts Distilled water = 20% DMSO And so on... > > Also, does DMSO mix well with HP and does it have the ability to flow HP > through tissue, make it available to the Prostate? If I wanted to deliver oxygen to the prostate, which is what H2O2 does, I might consider mixing MSM and DMSO since they are safely mixable and MSM is DMSO with one more atom of oxygen. They are thought to form an oxygen feedback loop in the body. See www.krysalis.com article. > > Equally important, please, is, although DMSO may work well flowing through > skin and muscle tissue, are there complications when using DMSO with organs? None that I have heard of. It is used for organ transport, to keep organs alive when taken out of the body. > > If you know, will the liquid flow pass directly through all tissue or should > we expect a flow around selected tissue (bone, cartledge, nerve, etc)? I know it takes up to 20 minutes to penetrate bone and only seconds to be tasted in the mouth when applied to say your foot. > > Garnett, are there other sources of information you'd suggest I look into in > addition to the list, please? The files section of this list, search engines, books, www.jacoblab ..com. I have heard that Dr Stanley is writing a large set of books on DMSO, don't know what the status of those is at this time. There are many scientific articles in the literature, many are research articles using DMSO for a solvent or carrier. Garnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 Well, what an informative post, thank you for it, Ms. Garnet. I was not able to find data re: Krysalis so I'll continue to attempt to do so. Now, are you familiar with something called Moxy Pet or Oxy Moxy, please? I understand they mix DMSO with HP quite well. Please comment if you'd like for me because this test, so to speak, is important to me; need to know how to get oxygen to the Prostate. I liked that you suggested MSM with DMSO but would you say the powdered MSM or something else? And I'd love to read your ideas about mixing, please, so I can approximate 2% HP and only enough DMSO to move it through the cells, please? Back to you, Obie. _____ From: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO [mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO ] On Behalf Of Garnet Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 12:59 PM To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Subject: Re: Obie wrote: > > > Dear Garnett, G'morning, I'm Obie, a newby, just joined the group. During > the joining process, I noted that there are 501 members and, this morning I > looked and there have been only 1 message during August. I know that this > may indicate that all the DSMO'ers are on vacation but it made me curious > about whether I've chosen the appropriate list to ask questions and receive > help as I go about developing a protocol for Prostate Cancer relief. Can't say, as I don't know what you need to know. > > You see, I've established a procedure whereby, using blended Hydrogen > Peroxide, Urinary Tract Infections can be relieved in about 5 seconds and > last for months for myself and I offered it to two others lists. Presently, > I'd like to take the procedure and add an appropriate volume of DSMO so as > to flow the HP through the urethral tissues and make it available to the > Prostate. Except I don't have a grasp on DMSO yet. DMSO is a strong antioxidant and H2O2 a strong oxidizing agent. I have never mixed the two. You might try an archive search as this has come up before. I believe someone did try mixing them but can't remember if we were just speculating on how powerful the reaction would be. I am not a chemist either so can't make any predictions other than to say I would try it outside, with a fan on and try to devise a way to mix from a distance just in case. There could be an explosion. Remember H2O2 is used for rocket fuel at a concentration of 90%. > > So can you and the list assist me, do you think? And, actually, I'm only > seeking anecdotal responses; what we did and how that worked for us, the > result. So here's my initial questions. > > I understand DMSO should be blended with water to bring it to 70% for a > topical application. Would you suggest a formula for bringing my 90% > product to 70% (sorry, don't have chemistry in my background), please? Since the percentages recommended are ball park just treat your 90% DMSO as though it was 100%. 1 part DMSO and 9 Parts Distilled water = 10% DMSO 2 parts DMSO and 8 Parts Distilled water = 20% DMSO And so on... > > Also, does DMSO mix well with HP and does it have the ability to flow HP > through tissue, make it available to the Prostate? If I wanted to deliver oxygen to the prostate, which is what H2O2 does, I might consider mixing MSM and DMSO since they are safely mixable and MSM is DMSO with one more atom of oxygen. They are thought to form an oxygen feedback loop in the body. See www.krysalis.com article. > > Equally important, please, is, although DMSO may work well flowing through > skin and muscle tissue, are there complications when using DMSO with organs? None that I have heard of. It is used for organ transport, to keep organs alive when taken out of the body. > > If you know, will the liquid flow pass directly through all tissue or should > we expect a flow around selected tissue (bone, cartledge, nerve, etc)? I know it takes up to 20 minutes to penetrate bone and only seconds to be tasted in the mouth when applied to say your foot. > > Garnett, are there other sources of information you'd suggest I look into in > addition to the list, please? The files section of this list, search engines, books, www.jacoblab ..com. I have heard that Dr Stanley is writing a large set of books on DMSO, don't know what the status of those is at this time. There are many scientific articles in the literature, many are research articles using DMSO for a solvent or carrier. Garnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 > 2 parts DMSO and 8 Parts Distilled water = 20% DMSO > And so on... Actually, that would be 25%, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 > If I wanted to deliver oxygen to the prostate, which is what H2O2 > does, I might consider mixing MSM and DMSO since they are safely > mixable and MSM is DMSO with one more atom of oxygen. They are > thought to form an oxygen feedback loop in the body. See > www.krysalis.com article. Did you by any chance mean www.krysalis.net? I couldn't find anything even remotely resembling this on the .com site... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 2 + 8 = 10 So, 2/10 is 20 %. I vote no. Joe Simon Jester wrote: > > On 8/25/2007, Obie (obie@... <mailto:obie%40hughes.net>) wrote: > > 2 parts DMSO and 8 Parts Distilled water = 20% DMSO > > And so on... > > Actually, that would be 25%, no? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.8/973 - Release Date: 8/25/2007 5:00 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 Hey, Simon, Joe, actually, I've been advised to start much lower, maybe 05%, to make sure it does not burn; then add to it if need be. When I get the right amount of DMSO, then I plan to add the Hydrogen Peroxide to the DMSO as a treatment. Thank you men for your comments. Obie. _____ From: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO [mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO ] On Behalf Of Simon Jester Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 4:34 PM To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Subject: Re: On 8/25/2007, Obie (obiehughes (DOT) <mailto:obie%40hughes.net> net) wrote: > 2 parts DMSO and 8 Parts Distilled water = 20% DMSO > And so on... Actually, that would be 25%, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 I agree with 20 % 8 parts plus 2 parts is 10 parts ...one part would be 10 % so 2 parts would be 20 % Norm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 > 2 + 8 = 10 > > So, 2/10 is 20 %. > > I vote no. Yep, you're right - it had been a long day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 > Hey, Simon, Joe, actually, I've been advised to start much lower, > maybe 05%, to make sure it does not burn; then add to it if need be. > When I get the right amount of DMSO, then I plan to add the Hydrogen > Peroxide to the DMSO as a treatment. Thank you men for your comments. > Obie. Be very careful mixing things with H2O2 - it is generally not recommended - in fact, I seem to recall reading somewhere a specific reason you would *not* want to mix it with DMSO... I'll see if I can find it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 That'd be great, if you can. I say this because I'm aware that Oxy Moxy and something else regularly mixes the two. Obie. _____ From: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO [mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO ] On Behalf Of Simon Jester Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:17 AM To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Subject: Re: On 8/26/2007, Obie (obiehughes (DOT) <mailto:obie%40hughes.net> net) wrote: > Hey, Simon, Joe, actually, I've been advised to start much lower, > maybe 05%, to make sure it does not burn; then add to it if need be. > When I get the right amount of DMSO, then I plan to add the Hydrogen > Peroxide to the DMSO as a treatment. Thank you men for your comments. > Obie. Be very careful mixing things with H2O2 - it is generally not recommended - in fact, I seem to recall reading somewhere a specific reason you would *not* want to mix it with DMSO... I'll see if I can find it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Obie, on 8/27/2007 10:08 AM, said the following: > > > That'd be great, if you can. I say this because I'm aware that Oxy Moxy and > something else regularly mixes the two. Obie. > > _____ > > From: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Simon Jester > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:17 AM > To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: > > On 8/26/2007, Obie (obiehughes (DOT) <mailto:obie%40hughes.net> net) wrote: >> Hey, Simon, Joe, actually, I've been advised to start much lower, >> maybe 05%, to make sure it does not burn; then add to it if need be. >> When I get the right amount of DMSO, then I plan to add the Hydrogen >> Peroxide to the DMSO as a treatment. Thank you men for your comments. >> Obie. > Be very careful mixing things with H2O2 - it is generally not > recommended - in fact, I seem to recall reading somewhere a specific > reason you would *not* want to mix it with DMSO... I'll see if I can > find it... Hmmmm... well, I did some digging, and not only didn't find reference to this, found references to *doing* it... so it appears I mis-remembered this with respect to DMSO... However, I think it can safely be said that due to the reactive nature of H2O2, you shouldn't mix it with *anything*, otherwise - it will act in accordance with its nature, and 'react' with it (oxidize it). This may not be dangerous, but at a minimum, it may waste some money - for example, if you with H2O2 with most supplements, it would oxidize them, thus rendering them useless to the body. Of course, as everyone on this list knows (or should know), DMSO should *always* be used with caution... That said, I found numerous references to even hospitals using DMSO+H2O2, so it must be relatively safe to mix these two... My apologies for the false alarm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Reposting, because of all the crap I unintentionally left at the beginning of the message (sorry)... >> Be very careful mixing things with H2O2 - it is generally not >> recommended - in fact, I seem to recall reading somewhere a specific >> reason you would *not* want to mix it with DMSO... I'll see if I can >> find it... > That'd be great, if you can. I say this because I'm aware that Oxy > Moxy and something else regularly mixes the two. Obie. Hmmmm... well, I did some digging, and not only didn't find reference to this, found references to *doing* it... so it appears I mis-remembered this with respect to DMSO... However, I think it can safely be said that due to the reactive nature of H2O2, you shouldn't mix it with *anything*, otherwise - it will act in accordance with its nature, and 'react' with it (oxidize it). This may not be dangerous, but at a minimum, it may waste some money - for example, if you with H2O2 with most supplements, it would oxidize them, thus rendering them useless to the body. Of course, as everyone on this list knows (or should know), DMSO should *always* be used with caution... That said, I found numerous references to even hospitals using DMSO+H2O2, so it must be relatively safe to mix these two... My apologies for the false alarm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Thank you, Simon. Did you find mixing percentages at all you can share with me. Obie. _____ From: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO [mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO ] On Behalf Of Simon Jester Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:59 AM To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Subject: Re: Reposting, because of all the crap I unintentionally left at the beginning of the message (sorry)... >> Be very careful mixing things with H2O2 - it is generally not >> recommended - in fact, I seem to recall reading somewhere a specific >> reason you would *not* want to mix it with DMSO... I'll see if I can >> find it... > That'd be great, if you can. I say this because I'm aware that Oxy > Moxy and something else regularly mixes the two. Obie. Hmmmm... well, I did some digging, and not only didn't find reference to this, found references to *doing* it... so it appears I mis-remembered this with respect to DMSO... However, I think it can safely be said that due to the reactive nature of H2O2, you shouldn't mix it with *anything*, otherwise - it will act in accordance with its nature, and 'react' with it (oxidize it). This may not be dangerous, but at a minimum, it may waste some money - for example, if you with H2O2 with most supplements, it would oxidize them, thus rendering them useless to the body. Of course, as everyone on this list knows (or should know), DMSO should *always* be used with caution... That said, I found numerous references to even hospitals using DMSO+H2O2, so it must be relatively safe to mix these two... My apologies for the false alarm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 > Thank you, Simon. Did you find mixing percentages at all you can > share with me. Obie. Well, I couldn't find anything definitive or specific - but I did find one reference that was interesting: " If for any reason you CAN'T get MSM and you have DMSO that you have ISSUES about, then an easy way to convert DMSO into MSM is to add 3 drops of 3% H2O2 (preferably food grade - but for emergencies - drug store grade might be acceptable). Wait for the reaction to subside about 10 minutes as DMSO will heat up as it converts to MSM. " This from: http://www.earthclinic.com/Supplements/DMSO.html I read about a hospitla that uses DMSO+H2O2 in an IV drip - and a study on rabbits using 8% H2O2 (ouch) and 50% DMSO topically on skin tags... So, I don't know enough to even guess... you might try emailing Dr Stanley at s Labs: www.jacoblab.com (email link at the bottom of the page) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Simon, let me ask you a basic question, please? Is DMSO, in and of itself, an antibacterial, if you know; will it kill bacteria without the need of the HP? This may be easier than I think, if so; just go into the tissue with ..05% DMSO, initially. Obie. _____ From: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO [mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO ] On Behalf Of Simon Jester Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:16 AM To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Subject: Re: On 8/29/2007, Obie (obiehughes (DOT) <mailto:obie%40hughes.net> net) wrote: > Thank you, Simon. Did you find mixing percentages at all you can > share with me. Obie. Well, I couldn't find anything definitive or specific - but I did find one reference that was interesting: " If for any reason you CAN'T get MSM and you have DMSO that you have ISSUES about, then an easy way to convert DMSO into MSM is to add 3 drops of 3% H2O2 (preferably food grade - but for emergencies - drug store grade might be acceptable). Wait for the reaction to subside about 10 minutes as DMSO will heat up as it converts to MSM. " This from: http://www.earthcli <http://www.earthclinic.com/Supplements/DMSO.html> nic.com/Supplements/DMSO.html I read about a hospitla that uses DMSO+H2O2 in an IV drip - and a study on rabbits using 8% H2O2 (ouch) and 50% DMSO topically on skin tags... So, I don't know enough to even guess... you might try emailing Dr Stanley at s Labs: www.jacoblab.com (email link at the bottom of the page) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I have found DMSO to clear bruises, joint pains, and burns by itself, but I don't think it is a germicidal. Silver delivered by DMSO is germicidal though. Margaret Park > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 > Simon, let me ask you a basic question, please? Is DMSO, in and of > itself, an antibacterial, if you know; will it kill bacteria without > the need of the HP? This may be easier than I think, if so; just go > into the tissue with .05% DMSO, initially. Obie. Hi Obie, Found a decent discussion on the very subject of mixing DMSO and H2O2 - sounds very powerful: http://www.racoon.com/dcforum/DCForumID7/221.html Also, no offense, but if you are going to add DMSO and MSM to your arsenal - and this is highly recommended - you really need to learn about it from an authoritative source - don't take mine or anyone else's word for it. Here is a good place to start: http://www.dmso.org/subLevels/what.htm If nothing else, buy and read the book: DMSO: Natures Healer http://tinyurl.com/3xy8fj An additional excellent book, though it is on DMSOs derivative, MSM, is: The Miracle of MSM - http://tinyurl.com/2odpdy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 > Simon, let me ask you a basic question, please? Is DMSO, in and of > itself, an antibacterial, if you know; will it kill bacteria without > the need of the HP? This may be easier than I think, if so; just go > into the tissue with .05% DMSO, initially. Obie. Sorry - I did mean to answer your question too... No, DMSO is not antibacterial by itself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 The archive search will still pull up your posts since it searches the body of the message. But in the future just pull out a couple key words in a post and use them in the subject line. I sometimes just put a few words with slashes in between. Garnet Obie wrote: > Garnet, my apology, please. I apologize for not including a subject in the > posts I've made recently. I understand the purpose and have just not > remembered to do so. Honestly, I'll try to do better in the future but, as > regards this post, I can't think of a subject title. I mean, what are you > going to do with a creature like an Obie? My regards! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Hi Obie, Straight from the 'mouth' of the originator of the protocol, Gregg: " You need to correct the anemia and then the DMSO won't be needed so often. As described (the way I do it for myself), get a glass eyedropper bottle (2oz). Add (about) 10 B12, 10 folic acid and 4 multiple vitamin tablets. Fill with DMSO & shake periodically. Takes about 3 days for pills to fall apart. Let sludge settle and apply eyedropper load of clear liquid to insensitive skin. I use the outside of my forearm. It will absorb through the skin and within about one hour she will feel wonderful. You may want to use it every day for a few days but then once a week or once a month. You will soon notice that the up feelings will start to last much longer than when DMSO alone is used. This works because B12 and folic acid are required for the body to synthesize hemoglobin and her intestine is not absorbing them properly. " From: http://www.krysalis.net/dmso.htm Wonderful site with great information! Sharon/starshar >I guess I've lost it, a post I received several weeks ago that recommended > adding MSM,B12, Folic Acid and multiple Vits and Mins to DMSO. If you can > assist me, I'd appreciate that, need to know how much of whatever to the > DMSO to test that, Obie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Thank you, Lady Sharon, I want to get this right so I can give it to my own Lady. I'll try to let you know how it does for us. Obie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 If there is no difference between MSM and DMSO then why take DMSO instead? Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 They are not the same thing ----- Original Message ----- > > If there is no difference between MSM and DMSO then why take DMSO > instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 > If there is no difference between MSM and DMSO then why take DMSO > instead? > > Steph > Because your statement " no difference between MSM and DMSO " is not true. Chuck I used to love anchovies until I realized they were like eating an eyebrow. Now they just aren't the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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