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Hi Obie and welcome to the group. It would be interesting to hear how you

are stopping urinary infections is such short time using h2o2. I haven't

used DMSO for much of anything except sprains, so have no information for

you, except that I do think Garnett mentioned a long time ago that DMSO can

cure urinary infections, too. It will be interesting to see how this

conversation plays out. I know a member here who infuses herbs into DMSO.

And I can't imagine that DMSO would damage organs because you can take DMSO

internally. But there are others on the list with far more personal

experience with DMSO that I have, and I know they will be able to help you.

Samala,

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You see, I've established a procedure whereby, using blended Hydrogen

Peroxide, Urinary Tract Infections can be relieved in about 5 seconds and

last for months for myself and I offered it to two others lists. Presently,

I'd like to take the procedure and add an appropriate volume of DSMO so as

to flow the HP through the urethral tissues and make it available to the

Prostate. Except I don't have a grasp on DMSO yet.

So can you and the list assist me, do you think? And, actually, I'm only

seeking anecdotal responses; what we did and how that worked for us, the

result. So here's my initial questions.

I understand DMSO should be blended with water to bring it to 70% for a

topical application. Would you suggest a formula for bringing my 90%

product to 70% (sorry, don't have chemistry in my background), please?

Also, does DMSO mix well with HP and does it have the ability to flow HP

through tissue, make it available to the Prostate?

Equally important, please, is, although DMSO may work well flowing through

skin and muscle tissue, are there complications when using DMSO with organs?

If you know, will the liquid flow pass directly through all tissue or should

we expect a flow around selected tissue (bone, cartledge, nerve, etc)?

Garnett, are there other sources of information you'd suggest I look into in

addition to the list, please?

Of course, I'd love to hear from anybody who'd like to offer their own

experience using HP with DMSO.

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Obie wrote:

>

>

> Dear Garnett, G'morning, I'm Obie, a newby, just joined the group. During

> the joining process, I noted that there are 501 members and, this morning I

> looked and there have been only 1 message during August. I know that this

> may indicate that all the DSMO'ers are on vacation but it made me curious

> about whether I've chosen the appropriate list to ask questions and receive

> help as I go about developing a protocol for Prostate Cancer relief.

Can't say, as I don't know what you need to know.

>

> You see, I've established a procedure whereby, using blended Hydrogen

> Peroxide, Urinary Tract Infections can be relieved in about 5 seconds and

> last for months for myself and I offered it to two others lists. Presently,

> I'd like to take the procedure and add an appropriate volume of DSMO so as

> to flow the HP through the urethral tissues and make it available to the

> Prostate. Except I don't have a grasp on DMSO yet.

DMSO is a strong antioxidant and H2O2 a strong oxidizing agent. I have

never mixed the two. You might try an archive search as this has come up

before. I believe someone did try mixing them but can't remember if we

were just speculating on how powerful the reaction would be. I am not a

chemist either so can't make any predictions other than to say I would

try it outside, with a fan on and try to devise a way to mix from a

distance just in case. There could be an explosion. Remember H2O2 is

used for rocket fuel at a concentration of 90%.

>

> So can you and the list assist me, do you think? And, actually, I'm only

> seeking anecdotal responses; what we did and how that worked for us, the

> result. So here's my initial questions.

>

> I understand DMSO should be blended with water to bring it to 70% for a

> topical application. Would you suggest a formula for bringing my 90%

> product to 70% (sorry, don't have chemistry in my background), please?

Since the percentages recommended are ball park just treat your 90% DMSO

as though it was 100%.

1 part DMSO and 9 Parts Distilled water = 10% DMSO

2 parts DMSO and 8 Parts Distilled water = 20% DMSO

And so on...

>

> Also, does DMSO mix well with HP and does it have the ability to flow HP

> through tissue, make it available to the Prostate?

If I wanted to deliver oxygen to the prostate, which is what H2O2 does,

I might consider mixing MSM and DMSO since they are safely mixable and

MSM is DMSO with one more atom of oxygen. They are thought to form an

oxygen feedback loop in the body. See www.krysalis.com article.

>

> Equally important, please, is, although DMSO may work well flowing through

> skin and muscle tissue, are there complications when using DMSO with organs?

None that I have heard of. It is used for organ transport, to keep

organs alive when taken out of the body.

>

> If you know, will the liquid flow pass directly through all tissue or should

> we expect a flow around selected tissue (bone, cartledge, nerve, etc)?

I know it takes up to 20 minutes to penetrate bone and only seconds to

be tasted in the mouth when applied to say your foot.

>

> Garnett, are there other sources of information you'd suggest I look into in

> addition to the list, please?

The files section of this list, search engines, books, www.jacoblab

..com. I have heard that Dr Stanley is writing a large set of books

on DMSO, don't know what the status of those is at this time. There are

many scientific articles in the literature, many are research articles

using DMSO for a solvent or carrier.

Garnet

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Well, what an informative post, thank you for it, Ms. Garnet. I was not

able to find data re: Krysalis so I'll continue to attempt to do so. Now,

are you familiar with something called Moxy Pet or Oxy Moxy, please? I

understand they mix DMSO with HP quite well. Please comment if you'd like

for me because this test, so to speak, is important to me; need to know how

to get oxygen to the Prostate.

I liked that you suggested MSM with DMSO but would you say the powdered MSM

or something else? And I'd love to read your ideas about mixing, please, so

I can approximate 2% HP and only enough DMSO to move it through the cells,

please? Back to you, Obie.

_____

From: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

[mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO ] On Behalf Of Garnet

Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 12:59 PM

To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

Subject: Re:

Obie wrote:

>

>

> Dear Garnett, G'morning, I'm Obie, a newby, just joined the group. During

> the joining process, I noted that there are 501 members and, this morning

I

> looked and there have been only 1 message during August. I know that this

> may indicate that all the DSMO'ers are on vacation but it made me curious

> about whether I've chosen the appropriate list to ask questions and

receive

> help as I go about developing a protocol for Prostate Cancer relief.

Can't say, as I don't know what you need to know.

>

> You see, I've established a procedure whereby, using blended Hydrogen

> Peroxide, Urinary Tract Infections can be relieved in about 5 seconds and

> last for months for myself and I offered it to two others lists.

Presently,

> I'd like to take the procedure and add an appropriate volume of DSMO so as

> to flow the HP through the urethral tissues and make it available to the

> Prostate. Except I don't have a grasp on DMSO yet.

DMSO is a strong antioxidant and H2O2 a strong oxidizing agent. I have

never mixed the two. You might try an archive search as this has come up

before. I believe someone did try mixing them but can't remember if we

were just speculating on how powerful the reaction would be. I am not a

chemist either so can't make any predictions other than to say I would

try it outside, with a fan on and try to devise a way to mix from a

distance just in case. There could be an explosion. Remember H2O2 is

used for rocket fuel at a concentration of 90%.

>

> So can you and the list assist me, do you think? And, actually, I'm only

> seeking anecdotal responses; what we did and how that worked for us, the

> result. So here's my initial questions.

>

> I understand DMSO should be blended with water to bring it to 70% for a

> topical application. Would you suggest a formula for bringing my 90%

> product to 70% (sorry, don't have chemistry in my background), please?

Since the percentages recommended are ball park just treat your 90% DMSO

as though it was 100%.

1 part DMSO and 9 Parts Distilled water = 10% DMSO

2 parts DMSO and 8 Parts Distilled water = 20% DMSO

And so on...

>

> Also, does DMSO mix well with HP and does it have the ability to flow HP

> through tissue, make it available to the Prostate?

If I wanted to deliver oxygen to the prostate, which is what H2O2 does,

I might consider mixing MSM and DMSO since they are safely mixable and

MSM is DMSO with one more atom of oxygen. They are thought to form an

oxygen feedback loop in the body. See www.krysalis.com article.

>

> Equally important, please, is, although DMSO may work well flowing through

> skin and muscle tissue, are there complications when using DMSO with

organs?

None that I have heard of. It is used for organ transport, to keep

organs alive when taken out of the body.

>

> If you know, will the liquid flow pass directly through all tissue or

should

> we expect a flow around selected tissue (bone, cartledge, nerve, etc)?

I know it takes up to 20 minutes to penetrate bone and only seconds to

be tasted in the mouth when applied to say your foot.

>

> Garnett, are there other sources of information you'd suggest I look into

in

> addition to the list, please?

The files section of this list, search engines, books, www.jacoblab

..com. I have heard that Dr Stanley is writing a large set of books

on DMSO, don't know what the status of those is at this time. There are

many scientific articles in the literature, many are research articles

using DMSO for a solvent or carrier.

Garnet

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> If I wanted to deliver oxygen to the prostate, which is what H2O2

> does, I might consider mixing MSM and DMSO since they are safely

> mixable and MSM is DMSO with one more atom of oxygen. They are

> thought to form an oxygen feedback loop in the body. See

> www.krysalis.com article.

Did you by any chance mean www.krysalis.net? I couldn't find anything

even remotely resembling this on the .com site...

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2 + 8 = 10

So, 2/10 is 20 %.

I vote no.

Joe

Simon Jester wrote:

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> On 8/25/2007, Obie (obie@... <mailto:obie%40hughes.net>) wrote:

> > 2 parts DMSO and 8 Parts Distilled water = 20% DMSO

> > And so on...

>

> Actually, that would be 25%, no?

>

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Hey, Simon, Joe, actually, I've been advised to start much lower, maybe

05%, to make sure it does not burn; then add to it if need be. When I get

the right amount of DMSO, then I plan to add the Hydrogen Peroxide to the

DMSO as a treatment. Thank you men for your comments. Obie.

_____

From: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

[mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO ] On Behalf Of Simon Jester

Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 4:34 PM

To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

Subject: Re:

On 8/25/2007, Obie (obiehughes (DOT) <mailto:obie%40hughes.net> net) wrote:

> 2 parts DMSO and 8 Parts Distilled water = 20% DMSO

> And so on...

Actually, that would be 25%, no?

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> Hey, Simon, Joe, actually, I've been advised to start much lower,

> maybe 05%, to make sure it does not burn; then add to it if need be.

> When I get the right amount of DMSO, then I plan to add the Hydrogen

> Peroxide to the DMSO as a treatment. Thank you men for your comments.

> Obie.

Be very careful mixing things with H2O2 - it is generally not

recommended - in fact, I seem to recall reading somewhere a specific

reason you would *not* want to mix it with DMSO... I'll see if I can

find it...

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That'd be great, if you can. I say this because I'm aware that Oxy Moxy and

something else regularly mixes the two. Obie.

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[mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO ] On Behalf Of Simon Jester

Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:17 AM

To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

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On 8/26/2007, Obie (obiehughes (DOT) <mailto:obie%40hughes.net> net) wrote:

> Hey, Simon, Joe, actually, I've been advised to start much lower,

> maybe 05%, to make sure it does not burn; then add to it if need be.

> When I get the right amount of DMSO, then I plan to add the Hydrogen

> Peroxide to the DMSO as a treatment. Thank you men for your comments.

> Obie.

Be very careful mixing things with H2O2 - it is generally not

recommended - in fact, I seem to recall reading somewhere a specific

reason you would *not* want to mix it with DMSO... I'll see if I can

find it...

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Obie, on 8/27/2007 10:08 AM, said the following:

>

>

> That'd be great, if you can. I say this because I'm aware that Oxy Moxy and

> something else regularly mixes the two. Obie.

>

> _____

>

> From: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

> <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com>

> [mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

> <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Simon Jester

> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:17 AM

> To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

> <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re:

>

> On 8/26/2007, Obie (obiehughes (DOT) <mailto:obie%40hughes.net> net) wrote:

>> Hey, Simon, Joe, actually, I've been advised to start much lower,

>> maybe 05%, to make sure it does not burn; then add to it if need be.

>> When I get the right amount of DMSO, then I plan to add the Hydrogen

>> Peroxide to the DMSO as a treatment. Thank you men for your comments.

>> Obie.

> Be very careful mixing things with H2O2 - it is generally not

> recommended - in fact, I seem to recall reading somewhere a specific

> reason you would *not* want to mix it with DMSO... I'll see if I can

> find it...

Hmmmm... well, I did some digging, and not only didn't find reference to

this, found references to *doing* it... so it appears I mis-remembered

this with respect to DMSO...

However, I think it can safely be said that due to the reactive nature

of H2O2, you shouldn't mix it with *anything*, otherwise - it will act

in accordance with its nature, and 'react' with it (oxidize it). This

may not be dangerous, but at a minimum, it may waste some money - for

example, if you with H2O2 with most supplements, it would oxidize them,

thus rendering them useless to the body.

Of course, as everyone on this list knows (or should know), DMSO should

*always* be used with caution...

That said, I found numerous references to even hospitals using

DMSO+H2O2, so it must be relatively safe to mix these two...

My apologies for the false alarm...

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Reposting, because of all the crap I unintentionally left at the

beginning of the message (sorry)...

>> Be very careful mixing things with H2O2 - it is generally not

>> recommended - in fact, I seem to recall reading somewhere a specific

>> reason you would *not* want to mix it with DMSO... I'll see if I can

>> find it...

> That'd be great, if you can. I say this because I'm aware that Oxy

> Moxy and something else regularly mixes the two. Obie.

Hmmmm... well, I did some digging, and not only didn't find reference to

this, found references to *doing* it... so it appears I mis-remembered

this with respect to DMSO...

However, I think it can safely be said that due to the reactive nature

of H2O2, you shouldn't mix it with *anything*, otherwise - it will act

in accordance with its nature, and 'react' with it (oxidize it). This

may not be dangerous, but at a minimum, it may waste some money - for

example, if you with H2O2 with most supplements, it would oxidize them,

thus rendering them useless to the body.

Of course, as everyone on this list knows (or should know), DMSO should

*always* be used with caution...

That said, I found numerous references to even hospitals using

DMSO+H2O2, so it must be relatively safe to mix these two...

My apologies for the false alarm...

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Thank you, Simon. Did you find mixing percentages at all you can share with

me. Obie.

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[mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO ] On Behalf Of Simon Jester

Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:59 AM

To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

Subject: Re:

Reposting, because of all the crap I unintentionally left at the

beginning of the message (sorry)...

>> Be very careful mixing things with H2O2 - it is generally not

>> recommended - in fact, I seem to recall reading somewhere a specific

>> reason you would *not* want to mix it with DMSO... I'll see if I can

>> find it...

> That'd be great, if you can. I say this because I'm aware that Oxy

> Moxy and something else regularly mixes the two. Obie.

Hmmmm... well, I did some digging, and not only didn't find reference to

this, found references to *doing* it... so it appears I mis-remembered

this with respect to DMSO...

However, I think it can safely be said that due to the reactive nature

of H2O2, you shouldn't mix it with *anything*, otherwise - it will act

in accordance with its nature, and 'react' with it (oxidize it). This

may not be dangerous, but at a minimum, it may waste some money - for

example, if you with H2O2 with most supplements, it would oxidize them,

thus rendering them useless to the body.

Of course, as everyone on this list knows (or should know), DMSO should

*always* be used with caution...

That said, I found numerous references to even hospitals using

DMSO+H2O2, so it must be relatively safe to mix these two...

My apologies for the false alarm...

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> Thank you, Simon. Did you find mixing percentages at all you can

> share with me. Obie.

Well, I couldn't find anything definitive or specific - but I did find

one reference that was interesting:

" If for any reason you CAN'T get MSM and you have DMSO that you have

ISSUES about, then an easy way to convert DMSO into MSM is to add 3

drops of 3% H2O2 (preferably food grade - but for emergencies - drug

store grade might be acceptable). Wait for the reaction to subside about

10 minutes as DMSO will heat up as it converts to MSM. "

This from:

http://www.earthclinic.com/Supplements/DMSO.html

I read about a hospitla that uses DMSO+H2O2 in an IV drip - and a study

on rabbits using 8% H2O2 (ouch) and 50% DMSO topically on skin tags...

So, I don't know enough to even guess... you might try emailing Dr

Stanley at s Labs:

www.jacoblab.com

(email link at the bottom of the page)

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Simon, let me ask you a basic question, please? Is DMSO, in and of itself,

an antibacterial, if you know; will it kill bacteria without the need of the

HP? This may be easier than I think, if so; just go into the tissue with

..05% DMSO, initially. Obie.

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From: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

[mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO ] On Behalf Of Simon Jester

Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:16 AM

To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

Subject: Re:

On 8/29/2007, Obie (obiehughes (DOT) <mailto:obie%40hughes.net> net) wrote:

> Thank you, Simon. Did you find mixing percentages at all you can

> share with me. Obie.

Well, I couldn't find anything definitive or specific - but I did find

one reference that was interesting:

" If for any reason you CAN'T get MSM and you have DMSO that you have

ISSUES about, then an easy way to convert DMSO into MSM is to add 3

drops of 3% H2O2 (preferably food grade - but for emergencies - drug

store grade might be acceptable). Wait for the reaction to subside about

10 minutes as DMSO will heat up as it converts to MSM. "

This from:

http://www.earthcli <http://www.earthclinic.com/Supplements/DMSO.html>

nic.com/Supplements/DMSO.html

I read about a hospitla that uses DMSO+H2O2 in an IV drip - and a study

on rabbits using 8% H2O2 (ouch) and 50% DMSO topically on skin tags...

So, I don't know enough to even guess... you might try emailing Dr

Stanley at s Labs:

www.jacoblab.com

(email link at the bottom of the page)

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I have found DMSO to clear bruises, joint pains, and burns by itself, but I

don't think it is a germicidal.

Silver delivered by DMSO is germicidal though. Margaret Park

>

>

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> Simon, let me ask you a basic question, please? Is DMSO, in and of

> itself, an antibacterial, if you know; will it kill bacteria without

> the need of the HP? This may be easier than I think, if so; just go

> into the tissue with .05% DMSO, initially. Obie.

Hi Obie,

Found a decent discussion on the very subject of mixing DMSO and H2O2 -

sounds very powerful:

http://www.racoon.com/dcforum/DCForumID7/221.html

Also, no offense, but if you are going to add DMSO and MSM to your

arsenal - and this is highly recommended - you really need to learn

about it from an authoritative source - don't take mine or anyone else's

word for it.

Here is a good place to start:

http://www.dmso.org/subLevels/what.htm

If nothing else, buy and read the book: DMSO: Natures Healer

http://tinyurl.com/3xy8fj

An additional excellent book, though it is on DMSOs derivative, MSM, is:

The Miracle of MSM - http://tinyurl.com/2odpdy

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> Simon, let me ask you a basic question, please? Is DMSO, in and of

> itself, an antibacterial, if you know; will it kill bacteria without

> the need of the HP? This may be easier than I think, if so; just go

> into the tissue with .05% DMSO, initially. Obie.

Sorry - I did mean to answer your question too... :)

No, DMSO is not antibacterial by itself...

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  • 1 month later...

The archive search will still pull up your posts since it searches the

body of the message. But in the future just pull out a couple key words

in a post and use them in the subject line. I sometimes just put a few

words with slashes in between.

Garnet

Obie wrote:

> Garnet, my apology, please. I apologize for not including a subject in the

> posts I've made recently. I understand the purpose and have just not

> remembered to do so. Honestly, I'll try to do better in the future but, as

> regards this post, I can't think of a subject title. I mean, what are you

> going to do with a creature like an Obie? My regards!

>

>

>

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Hi Obie,

Straight from the 'mouth' of the originator of the protocol, Gregg:

" You need to correct the anemia and then the DMSO won't be needed so often. As

described (the way I do it for myself), get a glass eyedropper bottle (2oz). Add

(about) 10 B12, 10 folic acid and 4 multiple vitamin tablets. Fill with DMSO &

shake periodically. Takes about 3 days for pills to fall apart. Let sludge

settle and apply eyedropper load of clear liquid to insensitive skin. I use the

outside of my forearm. It will absorb through the skin and within about one hour

she will feel wonderful. You may want to use it every day for a few days but

then once a week or once a month. You will soon notice that the up feelings will

start to last much longer than when DMSO alone is used. This works because B12

and folic acid are required for the body to synthesize hemoglobin and her

intestine is not absorbing them properly. "

From: http://www.krysalis.net/dmso.htm

Wonderful site with great information!

Sharon/starshar

>I guess I've lost it, a post I received several weeks ago that recommended

> adding MSM,B12, Folic Acid and multiple Vits and Mins to DMSO. If you can

> assist me, I'd appreciate that, need to know how much of whatever to the

> DMSO to test that, Obie.

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> If there is no difference between MSM and DMSO then why take DMSO

> instead?

>

> Steph

>

Because your statement " no difference between MSM and DMSO " is not

true.

Chuck

I used to love anchovies until I realized they were like eating an

eyebrow. Now they just aren't the same.

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