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Can anyone help me understand what it means when someone is out of Medicare days and if someone is out of Medicare days when/how can they get them back?? [(Aguiar, )] I had posted this awhile back in response to a similar question posted by another member & I think it covers most of what you're asking. Please keep in mind, though, that the amounts referenced aren't applicable today & off the top of my head, I don't know what the new ded's are, but the gist of ow Medicare days work remains the same.

Hope it helps,

J. Aguiar

Beth Israel Deaconess, Boston

Here's another M'care question: is there a lifetime max on Medicare?[(Aguiar, )] Not in the way you're thinking. You need to firstkeep in mind there are actually 2 components to Medicare which haveabsolutely NO impact on each other-Part A & Part B. In other words, denied charges or deductibles from Part A do not get rolled into Part B. Medicare Part B pays for MD services, outpt charges, & post-tximmunos. It is a standard 80-20 plan w/a one-time per calendar year deductible of $100. No calendar year or life max on Part B services. Medicare Part A ONLY covers inpt services. For an acutehospital stay, the benefits are as follows: Day 1-60 covered @ 100% UCR after an initial deductible of$792. These are aka "full ins days". Day 61-90 covered @ 100% UCR after $198 PER DAY deductible. These are the "co-ins" days. Day 91-150 covered @ 100% UCR after $396 PER DAY deductible. These are the "lifetime reserve" days. Unlike the full ins & co-ins days,lifetime reserve (aka LTR days) are non-renewable. Medicare requires that the pt be notified when he/she goes into LTR days & must sign a formacknowledging this. Once in a while there is a Medicare supplement plan which doesn't require the pt to use those day, but they are becoming few & far between. Medicare Part A also provides 100 days of coverage in a Skilled Nursing Facility (SNF) w/a daily deductible on days 21-100. These days are apart from the 150 acute hospital days. After day 150, there are no more Medicare Part A benefitsallowed until the pt has started a new benefit period. This starts after the pthas been d/c from both the acute hospital, acute rehab, & /or skilled nursingfacility (SNF) for 60 consecutive days. However, keep in mind, if the pt usedsome or all of his/her LTR days, those days WILL NOT RENEW themselvesEVER. The pt will have the 60 full, 30 co, & however many LTR days haven't been used available on the next benefit period. Probably someone in your admitting office has the lucky job ofkeeping track of how many days your Medicare population has used, though since you work for a Children's hospital, it's not as cumbersome as it is in a facility like mine which has a higher % of Medicare beneficiaries. Ifyou're worried about your pt benefit exhausting, check w/the Admittingsupervisor to see who's following this & where exactly the pt stands.Whomever follows the days will also be checking, as the timeapproaches, to see what coverage the secondary ins provides when they become prime due to Medicare benefit exhaust.

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FYI – the 2004 Medicare amounts have

changed.

IP deductible - $876

Coinsurance - $219 / day

LTR - $438 / day

The coinsurance amount is 25% of the IP

deductible and the LTR amount is 50% of the IP deductible.

The Part B deductible is still $100, but the

premium has gone up to $66.60 / month.

Sue Weber

Heart &

Liver Transplant Financial Coordinator

The

Methodist Hospital

Houston,

Texas

Phone :

713/790-5964

FAX :

713/790-3041

Email :

sweber@...

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Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004

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To:

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Subject: RE:

Medicare Days

Can anyone

help me understand what it means when someone is out of Medicare days and if

someone is out of Medicare days when/how can they get them back??

[(Aguiar, )] I had posted this awhile

back in response to a similar question posted by another member & I think

it covers most of what you're asking. Please keep in mind, though, that

the amounts referenced aren't applicable today & off the top of my head, I

don't know what the new ded's are, but the gist of ow Medicare days work

remains the same.

Hope it helps,

J. Aguiar

Beth Israel Deaconess, Boston

Here's another M'care question: is there a lifetime max on Medicare?

[(Aguiar, )] Not in the way you're thinking. You need to first

keep in mind there are actually 2 components to Medicare which have

absolutely NO impact on each other-Part A & Part B. In other words,

denied charges or deductibles from Part A do not get rolled into Part B.

Medicare Part B pays for MD services, outpt charges,

& post-tx

immunos. It is a standard 80-20 plan w/a one-time per calendar year

deductible of $100. No calendar year or life max on Part B

services.

Medicare Part A ONLY covers inpt services. For

an acute

hospital stay, the benefits are as follows:

Day 1-60 covered @ 100% UCR after an initial

deductible of

$792. These are aka " full ins days " .

Day 61-90 covered @ 100% UCR after $198 PER DAY

deductible.

These are the " co-ins " days.

Day 91-150 covered @ 100% UCR after $396 PER DAY

deductible.

These are the " lifetime reserve " days. Unlike the full ins

& co-ins days,

lifetime reserve (aka LTR days) are non-renewable. Medicare requires that

the pt be notified when he/she goes into LTR days & must sign a form

acknowledging this. Once in a while there is a Medicare supplement plan

which doesn't require the pt to use those day, but they are becoming few &

far between. Medicare Part A also provides 100 days of coverage in a

Skilled Nursing Facility (SNF) w/a daily deductible on days 21-100. These

days are apart from the 150 acute hospital days.

After day 150, there are no more Medicare Part A

benefits

allowed until the pt has started a new benefit period. This starts after

the pt

has been d/c from both the acute hospital, acute rehab, & /or skilled

nursing

facility (SNF) for 60 consecutive days. However, keep in mind, if the pt

used

some or all of his/her LTR days, those days WILL NOT RENEW themselves

EVER. The pt will have the 60 full, 30 co, & however many LTR

days haven't been used available on the next benefit period.

Probably someone in your admitting office has the

lucky job of

keeping track of how many days your Medicare population has used, though since

you work for a Children's hospital, it's not as cumbersome as it is in a

facility like mine which has a higher % of Medicare beneficiaries. If

you're worried about your pt benefit exhausting, check w/the Admitting

supervisor to see who's following this & where exactly the pt stands.

Whomever follows the days will also be checking, as the time

approaches, to see what coverage the secondary ins provides when they become

prime due to Medicare benefit exhaust.

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Thanks, Sue!

RE: Medicare Days

Can anyone help me understand what it means when someone is out of Medicare

days and if someone is out of Medicare days when/how can they get them

back??

[(Aguiar, )] I had posted this awhile back in response to a similar

question posted by another member & I think it covers most of what you're

asking. Please keep in mind, though, that the amounts referenced aren't

applicable today & off the top of my head, I don't know what the new ded's

are, but the gist of ow Medicare days work remains the same.

Hope it helps,

J. Aguiar

Beth Israel Deaconess, Boston

Here's another M'care question: is there a lifetime max on Medicare?

[(Aguiar, )] Not in the way you're thinking. You need to first

keep in mind there are actually 2 components to Medicare which have

absolutely NO impact on each other-Part A & Part B. In other words, denied

charges or deductibles from Part A do not get rolled into Part B.

Medicare Part B pays for MD services, outpt charges, & post-tx

immunos. It is a standard 80-20 plan w/a one-time per calendar year

deductible of $100. No calendar year or life max on Part B services.

Medicare Part A ONLY covers inpt services. For an acute

hospital stay, the benefits are as follows:

Day 1-60 covered @ 100% UCR after an initial deductible of

$792. These are aka " full ins days " .

Day 61-90 covered @ 100% UCR after $198 PER DAY deductible.

These are the " co-ins " days.

Day 91-150 covered @ 100% UCR after $396 PER DAY deductible.

These are the " lifetime reserve " days. Unlike the full ins & co-ins days,

lifetime reserve (aka LTR days) are non-renewable. Medicare requires that

the pt be notified when he/she goes into LTR days & must sign a form

acknowledging this. Once in a while there is a Medicare supplement plan

which doesn't require the pt to use those day, but they are becoming few &

far between. Medicare Part A also provides 100 days of coverage in a

Skilled Nursing Facility (SNF) w/a daily deductible on days 21-100. These

days are apart from the 150 acute hospital days.

After day 150, there are no more Medicare Part A benefits

allowed until the pt has started a new benefit period. This starts after

the pt

has been d/c from both the acute hospital, acute rehab, & /or skilled nursing

facility (SNF) for 60 consecutive days. However, keep in mind, if the pt

used

some or all of his/her LTR days, those days WILL NOT RENEW themselves

EVER. The pt will have the 60 full, 30 co, & however many LTR days haven't

been used available on the next benefit period.

Probably someone in your admitting office has the lucky job of

keeping track of how many days your Medicare population has used, though

since you work for a Children's hospital, it's not as cumbersome as it is in

a facility like mine which has a higher % of Medicare beneficiaries. If

you're worried about your pt benefit exhausting, check w/the Admitting

supervisor to see who's following this & where exactly the pt stands.

Whomever follows the days will also be checking, as the time

approaches, to see what coverage the secondary ins provides when they become

prime due to Medicare benefit exhaust.

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New Medicare Premiums for 2004 are: Part A:$876.00, Part B:$66.60

per News Release dated Thursday, 10-16-2003, for more info you can

contact: CMS Public Affairs Office (202)690-6145.

Hope this helps.

Joyce Royall

>>> LAguiar@... 01/06/04 06:03AM >>>

Can anyone help me understand what it means when someone is out of

Medicare

days and if someone is out of Medicare days when/how can they get them

back??

[(Aguiar, )] I had posted this awhile back in response to a

similar

question posted by another member & I think it covers most of what

you're

asking. Please keep in mind, though, that the amounts referenced

aren't

applicable today & off the top of my head, I don't know what the new

ded's

are, but the gist of ow Medicare days work remains the same.

Hope it helps,

J. Aguiar

Beth Israel Deaconess, Boston

Here's another M'care question: is there a lifetime max on Medicare?

[(Aguiar, )] Not in the way you're thinking. You need to first

keep in mind there are actually 2 components to Medicare which have

absolutely NO impact on each other-Part A & Part B. In other words,

denied

charges or deductibles from Part A do not get rolled into Part B.

Medicare Part B pays for MD services, outpt charges, & post-tx

immunos. It is a standard 80-20 plan w/a one-time per calendar year

deductible of $100. No calendar year or life max on Part B services.

Medicare Part A ONLY covers inpt services. For an acute

hospital stay, the benefits are as follows:

Day 1-60 covered @ 100% UCR after an initial deductible of

$792. These are aka " full ins days " .

Day 61-90 covered @ 100% UCR after $198 PER DAY deductible.

These are the " co-ins " days.

Day 91-150 covered @ 100% UCR after $396 PER DAY deductible.

These are the " lifetime reserve " days. Unlike the full ins & co-ins

days,

lifetime reserve (aka LTR days) are non-renewable. Medicare requires

that

the pt be notified when he/she goes into LTR days & must sign a form

acknowledging this. Once in a while there is a Medicare supplement

plan

which doesn't require the pt to use those day, but they are becoming

few &

far between. Medicare Part A also provides 100 days of coverage in a

Skilled Nursing Facility (SNF) w/a daily deductible on days 21-100.

These

days are apart from the 150 acute hospital days.

After day 150, there are no more Medicare Part A benefits

allowed until the pt has started a new benefit period. This starts

after

the pt

has been d/c from both the acute hospital, acute rehab, & /or skilled

nursing

facility (SNF) for 60 consecutive days. However, keep in mind, if the

pt

used

some or all of his/her LTR days, those days WILL NOT RENEW themselves

EVER. The pt will have the 60 full, 30 co, & however many LTR days

haven't

been used available on the next benefit period.

Probably someone in your admitting office has the lucky job of

keeping track of how many days your Medicare population has used,

though

since you work for a Children's hospital, it's not as cumbersome as it

is in

a facility like mine which has a higher % of Medicare beneficiaries.

If

you're worried about your pt benefit exhausting, check w/the Admitting

supervisor to see who's following this & where exactly the pt stands.

Whomever follows the days will also be checking, as the time

approaches, to see what coverage the secondary ins provides when they

become

prime due to Medicare benefit exhaust.

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The home page at www.Medicare.gov ,which is the web site for Medicare

consumers, always has the new Medicare deductibles and co-pay

information at the end of the current calendar year for the next year.

Fred Forsthoffer, MBA

Financial Analyst

Banner Good Samaritan Transplant Services

Ph: ; Fax:

RE: Medicare Days

New Medicare Premiums for 2004 are: Part A:$876.00, Part B:$66.60

per News Release dated Thursday, 10-16-2003, for more info you can

contact: CMS Public Affairs Office (202)690-6145.

Hope this helps.

Joyce Royall

>>> LAguiar@... 01/06/04 06:03AM >>>

Can anyone help me understand what it means when someone is out of

Medicare

days and if someone is out of Medicare days when/how can they get them

back??

[(Aguiar, )] I had posted this awhile back in response to a

similar

question posted by another member & I think it covers most of what

you're

asking. Please keep in mind, though, that the amounts referenced

aren't

applicable today & off the top of my head, I don't know what the new

ded's

are, but the gist of ow Medicare days work remains the same.

Hope it helps,

J. Aguiar

Beth Israel Deaconess, Boston

Here's another M'care question: is there a lifetime max on Medicare?

[(Aguiar, )] Not in the way you're thinking. You need to first

keep in mind there are actually 2 components to Medicare which have

absolutely NO impact on each other-Part A & Part B. In other words,

denied

charges or deductibles from Part A do not get rolled into Part B.

Medicare Part B pays for MD services, outpt charges, & post-tx

immunos. It is a standard 80-20 plan w/a one-time per calendar year

deductible of $100. No calendar year or life max on Part B services.

Medicare Part A ONLY covers inpt services. For an acute

hospital stay, the benefits are as follows:

Day 1-60 covered @ 100% UCR after an initial deductible of

$792. These are aka " full ins days " .

Day 61-90 covered @ 100% UCR after $198 PER DAY deductible.

These are the " co-ins " days.

Day 91-150 covered @ 100% UCR after $396 PER DAY deductible.

These are the " lifetime reserve " days. Unlike the full ins & co-ins

days,

lifetime reserve (aka LTR days) are non-renewable. Medicare requires

that

the pt be notified when he/she goes into LTR days & must sign a form

acknowledging this. Once in a while there is a Medicare supplement

plan

which doesn't require the pt to use those day, but they are becoming

few &

far between. Medicare Part A also provides 100 days of coverage in a

Skilled Nursing Facility (SNF) w/a daily deductible on days 21-100.

These

days are apart from the 150 acute hospital days.

After day 150, there are no more Medicare Part A benefits

allowed until the pt has started a new benefit period. This starts

after

the pt

has been d/c from both the acute hospital, acute rehab, & /or skilled

nursing

facility (SNF) for 60 consecutive days. However, keep in mind, if the

pt

used

some or all of his/her LTR days, those days WILL NOT RENEW themselves

EVER. The pt will have the 60 full, 30 co, & however many LTR days

haven't

been used available on the next benefit period.

Probably someone in your admitting office has the lucky job of

keeping track of how many days your Medicare population has used,

though

since you work for a Children's hospital, it's not as cumbersome as it

is in

a facility like mine which has a higher % of Medicare beneficiaries.

If

you're worried about your pt benefit exhausting, check w/the Admitting

supervisor to see who's following this & where exactly the pt stands.

Whomever follows the days will also be checking, as the time

approaches, to see what coverage the secondary ins provides when they

become

prime due to Medicare benefit exhaust.

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