RE: Re: Hyperacusis vs. 4S?

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I came across a book by Harold levinson called phobia free about 3 years

ago which I think you may find of interest on the group – it is about the vestibular

system which is located in the inner ear – he believes 90% of phobic behaviours

is because of a dysfunction in this particular system (this could be your

physiological cause) – the reason this system can then go on to affect other

systems is because there is a hypothesis that this system is our first brain

when we were things that slithered around and the brain as we know todayin our

skulls is built up on this J - here is a link http://www.mothernature.com/Library/Bookshelf/Books/47/107.cfm

- it certainly gave me food for

thought with my son and his behaviours back then.

Nikki

Re:

Hyperacusis vs. 4S?

I believe there is a root physiological

cause, something that has gone

wrong in our brains. The intolerance of sounds, anxiety, are all

coping mechanisms. So while there may be a root physiological cause, I

know that the sound of cracking gum is not -physically- intolerable to

me, it is psychologically intolerable.

How else do you explain that the exact same noise will bother a person

when it comes from their husband, but not their son? How else do you

explain the variety of noises that a person finds intolerable? The

sounds of gum being smacked has nothing in common with a person

clearing their throat, but both of these sounds are intolerable to a

number of us.

The only thing these sounds could be said to have in common are

psychological associations. A person eating, smacking, crunching,

snorting, popping gum, sniffing.

Many of us are more bothered by the sounds adults make than infants

(although some people are intolerant of the sound no matter what it

comes from). And then as soon as the child is of an age to know

better, or express an attitude, the sounds become intolerable.

The point I am trying to make is that our intolerance of these things

seems to vary with our various psychologies.

> >

> > Unfortunately I found the term while surfing the web, and I don't

even

> > really remember the context. I believe it was a something about the

> > misdiagnosis of hyperacusis.

>

> ----There are many possibilities floating around out there including

> quite a few psychiatric labels that have been associated with 4S, as if

> it is some kind of emotional condition versus phsyiological.

>

> Do you think that you all are just suffering from an emotional

> condition?

>

> You are the experts.

>

> Marsha

>

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Absolutely NOT an emotional problem at its root, at least for me. It's physical/physiological. Unfortunately, though, the emotional *effects* that result from it are pretty devastating. -Hope wrote: > Do you think that you all are just suffering from an emotional > condition?> > You are the experts.> > Marsha .

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This is exactly how I feel about it.

Definitely not an emotional issue and

absolutely a physiological one that causes me to behave in psychologicially

questionable ways (!)

From: Soundsensitivity [mailto:Soundsensitivity ] On Behalf Of Hope ForSilence

Sent: 27 June 2007 15:49

To: Soundsensitivity

Subject: Re:

Re: Hyperacusis vs. 4S?

Absolutely NOT an emotional problem at its root, at least for me. It's

physical/physiological. Unfortunately, though, the emotional

*effects* that result from it are pretty devastating.

-Hope

<gflinder> wrote:

> Do you think that you all are just suffering from an emotional

> condition?

>

> You are the experts.

>

> Marsha

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Me too. Face touching or stroking, lip

licking or just the site of someone chewing gum even if I can’t hear it.

These are fairly recent developments in the last couple of years

From: Soundsensitivity [mailto:Soundsensitivity ] On Behalf Of amea_gari

Sent: 27 June 2007 16:51

To: Soundsensitivity

Subject: Re:

Hyperacusis vs. 4S?

I forgot to mention that I have visual triggers as

well, such as

people cleaning their mouths with their tongue.

>

> > Do you think that you all are just suffering from an emotional

> > condition?

> >

> > You are the experts.

> >

> > Marsha

>

> I feel that the brain has wiring problems and releases a nasty chemical

> at the wrong time. Sometimes my brain gets it right as very rarely

> something which would normally bother me has no effect. I would like to

> have a chemical scanner on my brain which will light up whats going on

> with the different chemicals when I get a trigger sound. Also it's not

> just sounds that give me that anxiety its also sights, such as someone

> quickly licking their finger to turn a newspaper, so I think I have 5s

>

[Guest guest]

I have OCD, so you're most likely right. Although, I can hear other sounds that

don't annoy me, too.

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> I have been using earplugs for years now. I leave a trail of them

> wherever I go. The best I can find are bright purple! Can't they make

> them less conspicuous?

> Anyway, when I was younger I used to wish I would lose my hearing, but

> after a while of wearing earplugs, I realized I was simply learning to

> fixate on other things-- for example that's around the time visual

> things started to bother me.

> I think that when you hide from sounds with earplugs, you'll only find

> something else to fixate on. They provide relief from the most

> inescapable triggers-- sounds-- but I think this disorder is mostly

> related to sound only because sounds are one of the hardest thing for

> us to escape. Anything can be a trigger.

> So as perverse as it sounds, I think our brains are straining to find

> something to fixate on. You wear your earplugs for a while but then

> your brain starts straining to hear the sounds that annoy you.

> This is where it seems most connected to OCD, to me, as a side note.

>

>

>

>

> I have the same reaction to sights. Even with my ear plugs in, I

can't look at my husband while he's eating without feeling like I need

to beat him or curl up into a ball.

>

> On the subject of ear plugs, I started using them recently, and it's

like my body is building a resistance to them. I use them around the

house when my husband is home if he's eating, sleeping or breathing

loudly. When I first started using them, I couldn't hear anything with

them in. Now, after a few months, I can't hear things like the TV,

radio or people talking, but I can hear him breathing and snoring.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

>

>

>

>

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>

> > Also it's not

> > just sounds that give me that anxiety its also sights, such as

someone

> > quickly licking their finger to turn a newspaper, so I think I have 5s

>

[Guest guest]

Have you all heard of the trait of high sensitivity? I am a 'HIGHLY SENSITIVE PERSON' who also has 4s so I wonder if many of you are also HSP's. Type it into Google, take the test. High sensitivity has been proven to be physiological as the nervous system processes info etc more deeply than non HSP's. Do check it out if you haven't already and see if there is a link for you. Happy Friday, SuziLee Beattie wrote: This is exactly how I feel about it. Definitely not an emotional issue and absolutely a physiological one that causes me to behave in psychologicially questionable ways (!) From: Soundsensitivity [mailto:Soundsensitivity ] On Behalf Of Hope ForSilenceSent: 27 June 2007 15:49To: Soundsensitivity Subject: Re: Re: Hyperacusis vs. 4S? Absolutely NOT an emotional problem at its root, at least for me. It's physical/physiological. Unfortunately, though, the emotional *effects* that result from it are pretty devastating. -Hope <gflinder> wrote: > Do you think that you all are just suffering from an emotional > condition?> > You are the experts.>

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Hi, Suzi--I did read the book ("The Higly Sensitive Person: How to Thrive When the World Overwhelms You" by Elaine Aron - http://www.amazon.com/Highly-Sensitive-Person-Elaine-Aron/dp/0553062182/ref=pd_bbs_2/103-4389457-7553453?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1183132235 & sr=8-2 ), and I remember being struck by the fact that although I've suffered from 4S for about 25 years now, I do NOT fit the author's profile of an HSP very closely because it seemed to have more to do with emotional and social tendencies than physical sensitivities. Of course those things are all intrinsically linked, as a lot of the current discussion in this group reveals. I've had 4S so long now that I've developed some of the emotional stuff, too, but purely **as a

result** of the 4S. By nature I am an extremely extroverted, social person with a fairly thick skin and not prone to many of the "emotional" types of sensitivities that the author describes. I'm not trying to demean emotional sensitivity or imply that it is somehow "less" than the more physical-seeming stuff -- I'm just observing how things are for me. One of the things that I resent most about my 4S is how it makes me live like a hermit when that's very far from what I want. -Hope Suzanne Payton wrote: Have you all heard of the trait of high sensitivity? I am a 'HIGHLY SENSITIVE PERSON' who also has 4s so I wonder if many of you are also HSP's. Type it into Google, take the test. High sensitivity has been proven to be physiological as the nervous system processes info etc more deeply than non HSP's. Do check it out if you haven't already and see if there is a link for you. Happy Friday, Suzi .

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Thanks! I use them when I have to. When dh gets home, I put them in for dinner,

then take them out when he's done eating. He used to eat in the other room, but

I like us spending dinner together as a family. And while the radio or tv used

to help drown out the noises at dinner time, they just don't anymore.

And, for whatever reason, I fell in love with a mouth breather. /o: I mean,

obviously for tons of reasons, but man, can he drive me crazy sometimes. Most of

the time, he's pretty receptive to me asking him to stop breathing so loud, but

sometimes, he really can't control it, so I put the ear plugs in. And I put them

in to sleep because having a large box fan on my side of the bed and the radio

going simply doesn't block out the noise of him snoring well enough.

My husband is incredibly understanding. He can't handle people eating loudly or

rudely, but he doesn't hear the normal noises everyone makes when they chew

politely with their mouths closed. There isn't a single sound associated with

the mouth that I can't hear from a mile away, and it can be any human being

other than my daughter making it, and I want to clobber them.

Wow... just thinking about it, as I sit in my room, alone, I want to pop my ear

plugs in or beat someone. So, yeah, those *are* my emergencies. I don't think I

would ever actually go to an extended family meal. (o;

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> I use earplugs but I absolutely save them for emergencies ! I was

> playing music at dinner but that didn't work well. Someone suggested

> that I run a fan and that does seem to help more. I run a fan and

> play music now.

>

> When my first born was newly home from the hospital, I couldn't sleep

> for hearing her breath. It wasn't a 4s trigger so much, but kept me

> awake from nervousness in any variations in her breath. I put in

> earplugs and discovered that I could still hear her breath through

> them but only when I focused on it and tried to hear her. They let me

> sleep. The point is that YES I can hear breathing through ear plugs

> also.

>

> Anyway, I read years ago that if you wear earplugs alot your ears

> will adjust the volume so to speak in an effort to compensate and

> your ears will become more sensitive. So I only use them for extended

> family dinners. Luckily, I only have a limited set of trigger people

> thus far. I'm 42 and hoping and praying that MJ is right that this

> will fade by 60. I know there are a few people close to that on this

> site, but I think my severity is less so I can only hope.

>

> Good Luck !

>

>

>

> I have the same reaction to sights. Even with my ear plugs in, I

can't look at my husband while he's eating without feeling like I

need to beat him or curl up into a ball.

>

> On the subject of ear plugs, I started using them recently, and

it's like my body is building a resistance to them. I use them around

the house when my husband is home if he's eating, sleeping or

breathing loudly. When I first started using them, I couldn't hear

anything with them in. Now, after a few months, I can't hear things

like the TV, radio or people talking, but I can hear him breathing

and snoring. Does anyone have any suggestions?

>

I use earplugs but I absolutely save them for emergencies ! I was

playing music at dinner but that didn't work well. Someone suggested

that I run a fan and that does seem to help more. I run a fan and

play music now.

When my first born was newly home from the hospital, I couldn't sleep

for hearing her breath. It wasn't a 4s trigger so much, but kept me

awake from nervousness in any variations in her breath. I put in

earplugs and discovered that I could still hear her breath through

them but only when I focused on it and tried to hear her. They let me

sleep. The point is that YES I can hear breathing through ear plugs

also.

Anyway, I read years ago that if you wear earplugs alot your ears

will adjust the volume so to speak in an effort to compensate and

your ears will become more sensitive. So I only use them for extended

family dinners. Luckily, I only have a limited set of trigger people

thus far. I'm 42 and hoping and praying that MJ is right that this

will fade by 60. I know there are a few people close to that on this

site, but I think my severity is less so I can only hope.

Good Luck !