Re: Re: Colloidal Silver & EPA Regulation

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It's ok to post the list address here. Is it www.silverlist.org -- this

is an excellent list but will not have much discussion on Colloidal

Gold. The archives are not functioning so post posts can not be

retrieved, from the few times it has come up.

I will warn you about dealing with Karl Reinhart who supposedly sells CG

generators. My dealings with him were less than honorable and I would

not buy a generator from him. He does have a CG list, both for making it

and for using it.

I mix CG with DMSO and use it topically. I would also ingest this

mixture orally if I wanted better distribution of the gold. But I only

take DMSO orally on an empty stomach, CG too for that matter.

I presently use Mesogold from www.perfectcolloids.com. I have used

Utopia Silver's CG, but that was probably when they were buying it it

from Perfect Colloids and rebottling. I have also tried someone's home

made CG and Karl Reinharts. The color was good but the size of the

particles can still be large, even with the deep garnet color.

I don't know much about the chemical process to produce gold, but the

main concern is ingesting gold compounds which do bioaccumulate. This is

why doctors will only use gold compound injections in severe arthritis

cases and it can only be taken for a limited period of time.

Key of www.purestcolloids.com would be the best person to talk to

about the difference . He is very knowledgable although he is

selling his product so not without a conflict of interest.

I do recall him telling me about a protocol for arthritis, one

tablespoon of his 20 ppm Mesosilver four times a day for three months

has been reported to alleviate symptoms. Presumably due to destroying

mycoplasma or other causative organisms in the joint. Gold and Hydrogen

Peroxide are also thought to have the same mechanism of action on

arthritis, but I know of no documentation. Just anecdotal reports.

The best thing I have used on my arthritis is a Multi Wave Oscillator

which is powered by AC current, through a Tesla Coil, to produce radio

waves. Some use DC current and produce Magnetic Waves with the same

reported results. There are also passive coils. All this is discussed on

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Crock_Lakhovsky

The passive coils are very cheap to make. Even the MWO can be made at

home if you have some tinkering ability with electronics. The circuit

diagrams are posted on Key's site as well as on the above list I

believe. If you search on MWO you will find a number of sites and also

book from Amazon.

Four fifteen minute treatments with the MWO relieved the arthritis in my

knees for many months, without so much as a twinge even after many

weekends on my feet at dog shows. I pretreated one time before a nine

day show where I did feel a slight twinge after eight days of all day

long on my feet showing and working in a booth. I used a bit of DMSO and

peppermint oil and they felt fine. Have not had to use the MWO since on

my knees. I do use it on my back and hips when I over do it physically.

And I am using it on a dog with panosteoitis with some relief for a hard

to treat condition.

Garnet

Deborah Gerard wrote:

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> Hi I am on a silver list group that is not on Yahoo. I know with a

> mind like yours you would love it...e-mail me privately if you are

> interested....debbie

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> Hello Everyone: Just found this group. I am 59 years old retired

> from Chemical testing industry. My name is .

>

> Recently I have been investigating the home production of gold

> colloid. I have made and used silver colloid for decades and I have

> known about DMSO since the 1960's when it was only legally available

> in a few counties in Kentucky for HORSES only.

>

> In my research about GC I came across this substance called ORMUS

> and Hudson. I made my first batch of Ormus from Dead Sea Salt

> using what is known as the " wet method " . If you are interested there

> is an ORMUS group here on Yahoo.

>

> I have also made up some gold chloride solution according to Edgar

> Cayce's recommemdations.

>

> I am doing a lot of experimentation. Right now I have some DMSO

> mixed with aloe Vera juice (99.8%) plus some Chlorauric acid and

> ascorbic acid AND A FEW DROPS OF ORMUS.My arthritus is acting up and

> I decided to try a new mixture to topically apply to the affected

> joints.

>

> In the mixture the gold in the chlorauric acid is reduced to a

> purple colloid and the Ormus which does not dissolve in water

> dissolves in the DMSO. A little bit of heat is produced, I do not

> know why.

>

> I have painted this mixture on my affected joints this morning and

> the pain seems to be reduced.

>

> I would recommend for those using colloidial silver that for topical

> needs you go to a dilute solution of silver nitrate (2%). Silver

> nitrate at this concentration will turn your skin a sort of reddish

> color. The silver ions react and bond to molecules in your skin;

> essentially depositing colloidial silver IN your skin. Colloidial

> silver solutions will not BOND this way.

>

> You can use silver nitrate solution (2%) for under arm deodroant-

> antipersperant, cuts, abrasions, fungal infections etc.

>

> Colloidial gold can be made at home using a neon sign

> transformer,pure gold electrodes and distilled water. Unlike

> colloidial silver one needs to produce an " electric ARC " between the

> two electrodes under the surface of the distilled water. This

> requires high voltage. After a certain length of time the water will

> turn to a ruby red color and produce the light scattering effect of

> a colloid with a flashlight shown through it.

>

> From what I have been able to google up the value of the gold metal

> in a gallon of typical gold colloid is around $1.50. Unlike

> colloidial silver making, with colloidial gold production your gold

> wire electrodes will get used up at a rate of about one millimeter

> of 22 gauge gold wire per gallon of product.

>

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> >

> > It was only a matter of time before the government tried to

> regulate the

> > use of " nano " silver or colloidal silver as most of us know it.

> But the

> > EPA? How strange is that . . . generally it would be the FDA going

> after

> > medical claims that are unsubstantiated. And the EPA has a poor

> track

> > record of enforcement . . . so now they are going after silver.

> Huh?

> >

> > Janet

> >

> > http://www.newstarget.com/021231.html

> <http://www.newstarget.com/021231.html>

> >

> > Nano materials -- products and materials changed or created at the

> > atomic and molecular level -- are quickly gaining popularity for

> their

> > multitude of uses, and while the Environmental Protection Agency

> is

> > preparing to regulate popular nanosilver antibacterial products,

> > ostensibly to protect consumers, critics say the move is a thinly

> veiled

> > attempt to solely regulate nanosilver as a health supplement.

> >

> > Nanosilver is used to kill harmful bacteria in food storage

> containers,

> > shoe liners, washing machines and even bandages. Particles of

> nanosilver

> > and other nanomaterials can be as small as one-millionth the size

> of a

> > pinhead. However, the EPA, citing pressure from silver industry

> workers

> > and environmental groups such as Natural Resources Defense

> Council, is

> > investigating whether silver ions could pose an environmental

> threat by

> > killing beneficial bacteria in the environment, or even harming

> humans.

> > The agency also received a letter from Chuck Weir, chairman of a

> > California wastewater treatment plant advisory group known as Tri-

> TAC,

> > which claimed " silver is highly toxic to aquatic life at low

> > concentrations and also bioaccumulates in some aquatic organisms,

> such

> > as clams. "

> >

> > . . . " The EPA will require proof of the safety of silver in the

> > environment only if the companies make germ-killing claims, " said

> > Fucetola. " They are only concerned about safety if the public is

> being

> > given information about benefits. "

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Has Karl Reinhart gone bad? Two posts saying he isn't keeping his promises

today. I've bought CG from him occasionally for the past two years and it was

at a good price and was delivered promptly. I considered a CG machine but

looking at it on site decided I had no where to keep it so I am not out $400,

thank goodness.

Margaret Park