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No, no lunch. I didn't want to add $10,000 to the bill. :-) pennytinknocer@... wrote: In a message dated 10/13/2006 5:21:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, usenethod writes: > I will say, I woke up feeling like I'd been through hell. They'd had a tough time finding my bp before surgery, so I wonder if maybe things didn't go all that smoothly with the anesthesia? And my

throat/mouth was really sore, like something had been really jammed down there, and I don't know why that would have been the case. I also had difficulty emptying my bladder post surgery, which meant I had to stay around longer for observation, until I finally trickled a little. But still, $25k??? to the hospital for a 4 hour stay?That seems completely insane... Did they give you lunch? Sometimes Jello and apple sauce can add up.

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sometimes the hospital will charge a very high price,

knowing it won't be paid. That way the can deduct the

high bill against their profit, and pay less taxes.

You as the patient, get your credit ruined. this is

the way things work in a for profit system. Jimd

--- Penny Houle <pennyhoule@...> wrote:

> Yeah, mine was only $6k because the baloon

> sinuplasty is such a simple procedure. Send up a

> little balloon, expand the openings a tad, suck out

> the gook.

>

> It still blows my mind that the hospital wants

> $25k for giving me a bed and making sure I didn't

> die post op.

>

> I will say, I woke up feeling like I'd been

> through hell. They'd had a tough time finding my bp

> before surgery, so I wonder if maybe things didn't

> go all that smoothly with the anesthesia? And my

> throat/mouth was really sore, like something had

> been really jammed down there, and I don't know why

> that would have been the case. I also had difficulty

> emptying my bladder post surgery, which meant I had

> to stay around longer for observation, until I

> finally trickled a little. But still, $25k??? to the

> hospital for a 4 hour stay?

>

> penny

>

> Marie Mayberry <msmabrry@...> wrote:

> Most sinus surgerys run 5-6000?. The

> surgery I had 9

> years ago was 10,000. The sinus surgery I had in

> July

> was 32,000 and the bills are still coming. I wonder

> where you are getting our figures?

> Marie

>

> --- jim davis <jimd85379@...> wrote:

>

> > Normally the insurance co and the Doctor have

> agreed

> > on the price before the operation. Because the

> > " guide

> > lines " set for that operation are set. If the

> > doctor

> > does extra, Padding " the insurance will not cover

> > anything outside of the guide lines. You also

> > should

> > not have to pay, unless you signed a contract

> saying

> > you will pay for anything outside the standard

> > guidelines, period. Most sinus operations, run 5-6

> > thousand. check with a medical lawyer, 2 hundred

> > will

> > save you 30 thousand. jimd

> >

> > --- Norman Yarvin <norman.yarvin@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Is the denial of coverage because the treatment

> is

> > > 'experimental', or

> > > because the price charged goes beyond their

> > standard

> > > rates?

> > >

> > > (Denying coverage for experimental treatments is

> a

> > > pretty standard

> > > feature of insurance plans, and a great way to

> put

> > a

> > > halt to medical

> > > progress.)

> > >

> > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 08:48:42AM -0700, Penny

> > > Houle wrote:

> > > >That's WITH insurance, unfortunately. Insurance

> > > paid a lot but refused to

> > > >cover it all, so I'm stuck with several

> thousands

> > > of dollars I wasn't

> > > >planning on, plus the anesthesiologist and

> doc's

> > > fees that were over and

> > > >above.

> > > >

> > > > I truly am disgusted by the whole system.

> > > >

> > > > penny

> > > >

> > > >Norman Yarvin <norman.yarvin@...> wrote:

> > > > On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 10:28:41AM

> > -0700,

> > > Penny Houle wrote:

> > > >

> > > >> And you know what really sucks? I've got a

> huge

> > > bill I need to pay

> > > >> before I can go back and see the ENT. Turns

> out

> > > my surgery/anesthesia and

> > > >> 1/2 day of outpatient hopsital care cost

> > $36,000.

> > > How do they justify

> > > >> that? The hospital got $25k of that. For

> taking

> > > my blood pressure, giving

> > > >> me a bed, and monitoring me post anesthesia.

> > It's

> > > unbelievable.

> > > >

> > > >If you had insurance, the bill would probably

> > come

> > > back from them slashed

> > > >by a factor of five or ten. At least that's

> been

> > my

> > > experience, on a

> > > >couple of occasions: truly ridiculous bills,

> > which

> > > suddenly turn into

> > > >something just normally expensive, by prior

> > > agreement between the

> > > >hospital and the insurance company. My

> impression

> > > is that ridiculous

> > > >bills are intended to screw insurance companies

> > who

> > > don't have a prior

> > > >agreement. Individuals can usually walk away

> from

> > > the bills. (We don't

> > > >have debtors' prisons any more.) Of course, if

> > you

> > > need to go back and

> > > >get more care from them, you'll have to come to

> > > some sort of agreement --

> > > >but it probably doesn't have to involve paying

> > > anything like that amount.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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for most surgeries you have a tube put down your throat.It does cause alot of pain for a few days. Your bladder could also be caused from the anestesia. Has your bladder returned to its normal function.

terry

have a great day ..... keep smiling .... its contagious

countrycharm

From: " " <usenethod@...>Reply-infections To: infections Subject: [infections] Re: Is anyone home?Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:18:02 -0000

> I will say, I woke up feeling like I'd been through hell. They'd had a tough time finding my bp before surgery, so I wonder if maybe things didn't go all that smoothly with the anesthesia? And my throat/mouth was really sore, like something had been really jammed down there, and I don't know why that would have been the case. I also had difficulty emptying my bladder post surgery, which meant I had to stay around longer for observation, until I finally trickled a little. But still, $25k??? to the hospital for a 4 hour stay?That seems completely insane...

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