Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 I am doing quite well since undergoing 2+ years of multiple antibiotics and sinus surgery in July. Now taking NAC, pulsing Tini and using antifungal and antibiotic nasal spray. Marie --- pjeanneus <pj7@...> wrote: > Hello all, > I haven't seen a post in some time. How is everyone > doing? > > I am having ongoing problems with a tooth that has a > very sensitive > nerve, but supposedly no infection. The 3 dentists > don't think my > vertigo has anything to do with my dental work. They > want me to see a > neurologist. > > Help! > > a Carnes > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 I'm here. Barely. After a good spell of getting things done I desperately needed to take care of, I've been extremely fatigued again. And fighting with my freakin' insurance company, which has suddenly decided to deny drugs I've been relying on for ages. Actually, I'm too tired to fight with them. It's a catch 22, need the drugs to fight the fatigue. Too fatigued to fight for the drugs. Oh, and I think my sinuses may be worse than before the surgery although I won't know until I get those scans. Of course, I still need to get to Arizona for the scans. Have been saying that for months & months, but it's hard when you don't have decent transportation or energy. See, before I go there, I need to get a new car, and I haven't had the energy to shop for a new car. Anyway, my daughter's coming home soon and I'm hoping she can help me get there. But regarding your tooth. They NEVER see infection. There's no point in asking the dental establishment to even look. It's too big a can of worms and they're not trained to deal with it properly anyway. Believe me, the ADA doesn't want anyone knowing anything about how serious dental infections are. You need to see someone who knows how to scan for bone type infections. A tooth infection can also spread to the trigeminal nerve which goes directly to the brain, which could also have something to do with your vertigo. Until you get someone who knows what he/she's doing, and some really good scans or biopsies, you might as well beat your head against a wall, or hope your doc gets lucky and prescribes you a good antibiotic. I'm not normally a gambler, but, based on all the experience I've had with this, and all the people I know who are in the same boat, I'd bet money that your ear problem is related to your tooth. Maybe you'll get a decent neurologist? Try to find a neurologist who is familiar with chronic infections and ask him who the best possible radiologist is???? And ask for very fine slices in the scan, so that perhaps, if you get a decent radiologist, he can find a wormhole somewhere. Maybe he'll biopsy something in your head for you? Otherwise, I really don't know what to tell you. :-( penny p.s. How do they rule out infection as a cause for vertigo? Do they culture ear drum fluid or anything like that? I know a guy who's been going deaf over the years. He probably is deaf by now. There's no known cure and quite a few years ago, before I knew about all this chronic infection stuff, he told me about a renowned specialist here in San Diego who was doing a radical experimental treatment for deafness by injecting antibiotics into the ear drum. He was too scared to undergo the treatment due to the potential for further damage being done to the ear drum, so he passed. Knowing what I know now, what a shame he didn't do it. And I really wish I knew who the doctor was, since he was looking at a bacterial basis as the cause for progressive deafness. There's so much that's being ignored by the medical establishment, not just dentists. pjeanneus <pj7@...> wrote: Hello all,I haven't seen a post in some time. How is everyone doing? I am having ongoing problems with a tooth that has a very sensitive nerve, but supposedly no infection. The 3 dentists don't think my vertigo has anything to do with my dental work. They want me to see a neurologist.Help!a Carnes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 That's awesome news! Marie Mayberry <msmabrry@...> wrote: I am doing quite well since undergoing 2+ years ofmultiple antibiotics and sinus surgery in July. Nowtaking NAC, pulsing Tini and using antifungal andantibiotic nasal spray. Marie--- pjeanneus <pj7@...> wrote:> Hello all,> I haven't seen a post in some time. How is everyone> doing? > > I am having ongoing problems with a tooth that has a> very sensitive > nerve, but supposedly no infection. The 3 dentists> don't think my > vertigo has anything to do with my dental work. They> want me to see a > neurologist.> > Help!> > a Carnes> > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Hi a, I'm doing above expectations, I'm on some medications as before. My private MD had to move to germany. My MD in healtcare has taken over the prescription. I did an experiment with changing the B12 injections from one a week to once every 14 days. 10 days was ok(I year ago i didn't manage 5 days). At seconds period of 14 days apart there was problem. The result of the experiment was that my left hand started to shake so much that i couldn't drink water. I rested to manage the B12 injection and 3 hours of rest later I was OK. That convinced my healtcare MD that I do need B12 and that it's vital to continue my meds. Apparently the B12 is stored/accumualted in differnets parts of the body. The myelin of the nervs being the last resort. I will look into the metabolism of B12 as there are a diffenence between the different forms of B12. Pennys advice sound OK and i parrallell restoring your body may be your best bet. If you have a way of getting back to base ( " normal " ), use that. For me its to stay in a dark room and reduce all neuro stimuli. Usually I sleep or listen to podcast. Or to an audio book. I rest until I can understand and follow without falling asleep. The I contintue to rest some hours more.(This is me reset seqeuense for getting back to base). I continue this for atleast 3 days and gradullaly increase the normal activity, using pacing technics. I have found an intressesting neurological podcast. http://www.medicalnewspodcast.com/stat.html http://www.medicalnewspodcast.com/media/stat071406.mp3 is about borrelia cysts and dementia (alzheimer) it's about what infections are causing it's an intervju with Mc. He finds infections may be one of causes for alzheimer. Borrelia in alzheimer and finds intressesting things in 7/10 of the patients. /Per pjeanneus wrote: >Hello all, >I haven't seen a post in some time. How is everyone doing? > >I am having ongoing problems with a tooth that has a very sensitive >nerve, but supposedly no infection. The 3 dentists don't think my >vertigo has anything to do with my dental work. They want me to see a >neurologist. > >Help! > >a Carnes > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Thanks, Penny. I think I can get my regular doctor to prescribe any antibiotic I want, but I don't know what to ask for. I see her Thursday and will be calling neurologists again tomorrow - didn't get anywhere Friday. Yes, I will get an MRI. Do you have any suggestions on what antibiotics? I can't take quinolones but usually tolerate anything else. a > > I'm here. Barely. After a good spell of getting things done I desperately needed to take care of, I've been extremely fatigued again. And fighting with my freakin' insurance company, which has suddenly decided to deny drugs I've been relying on for ages. Actually, I'm too tired to fight with them. It's a catch 22, need the drugs to fight the fatigue. Too fatigued to fight for the drugs. Oh, and I think my sinuses may be worse than before the surgery although I won't know until I get those scans. > > Of course, I still need to get to Arizona for the scans. Have been saying that for months & months, but it's hard when you don't have decent transportation or energy. See, before I go there, I need to get a new car, and I haven't had the energy to shop for a new car. Anyway, my daughter's coming home soon and I'm hoping she can help me get there. > > But regarding your tooth. They NEVER see infection. There's no point in asking the dental establishment to even look. It's too big a can of worms and they're not trained to deal with it properly anyway. Believe me, the ADA doesn't want anyone knowing anything about how serious dental infections are. > > You need to see someone who knows how to scan for bone type infections. A tooth infection can also spread to the trigeminal nerve which goes directly to the brain, which could also have something to do with your vertigo. Until you get someone who knows what he/she's doing, and some really good scans or biopsies, you might as well beat your head against a wall, or hope your doc gets lucky and prescribes you a good antibiotic. I'm not normally a gambler, but, based on all the experience I've had with this, and all the people I know who are in the same boat, I'd bet money that your ear problem is related to your tooth. > > Maybe you'll get a decent neurologist? Try to find a neurologist who is familiar with chronic infections and ask him who the best possible radiologist is???? And ask for very fine slices in the scan, so that perhaps, if you get a decent radiologist, he can find a wormhole somewhere. Maybe he'll biopsy something in your head for you? Otherwise, I really don't know what to tell you. :-( > > penny > > p.s. How do they rule out infection as a cause for vertigo? Do they culture ear drum fluid or anything like that? > > I know a guy who's been going deaf over the years. He probably is deaf by now. There's no known cure and quite a few years ago, before I knew about all this chronic infection stuff, he told me about a renowned specialist here in San Diego who was doing a radical experimental treatment for deafness by injecting antibiotics into the ear drum. He was too scared to undergo the treatment due to the potential for further damage being done to the ear drum, so he passed. Knowing what I know now, what a shame he didn't do it. And I really wish I knew who the doctor was, since he was looking at a bacterial basis as the cause for progressive deafness. There's so much that's being ignored by the medical establishment, not just dentists. > > > pjeanneus <pj7@...> wrote: > Hello all, > I haven't seen a post in some time. How is everyone doing? > > I am having ongoing problems with a tooth that has a very sensitive > nerve, but supposedly no infection. The 3 dentists don't think my > vertigo has anything to do with my dental work. They want me to see a > neurologist. > > Help! > > a Carnes > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Hi Per, So nice to hear from you. Your idea of resting in the dark is instinctively what I feel I need. But instead I am being pushed to do balance training in physical therapy. I think the balance training has helped me regain strength and improved my balance but I still have a constant headache and aching on the side of my face where the dental work was done. I'll write more later this week. a > > Hi a, > I'm doing above expectations, I'm on some medications as before. > My private MD had to move to germany. > My MD in healtcare has taken over the prescription. > I did an experiment with changing the B12 injections from one a week to > once every 14 days. > 10 days was ok(I year ago i didn't manage 5 days). At seconds period of > 14 days apart there was problem. > The result of the experiment was that my left hand started to shake so > much that i couldn't drink water. > I rested to manage the B12 injection and 3 hours of rest later I was OK. > That convinced my healtcare MD that I do need B12 and that it's vital to > continue my meds. > Apparently the B12 is stored/accumualted in differnets parts of the > body. The myelin of the nervs being the last resort. > I will look into the metabolism of B12 as there are a diffenence between > the different forms of B12. > > Pennys advice sound OK and i parrallell > restoring your body may be your best bet. > If you have a way of getting back to base ( " normal " ), use that. For me > its to stay in a dark room and reduce all > neuro stimuli. Usually I sleep or listen to podcast. Or to an audio > book. I rest until I can understand and follow without falling > asleep. The I contintue to rest some hours more.(This is me reset > seqeuense for getting back to base). I continue this for atleast > 3 days and gradullaly increase the normal activity, using pacing technics. > > I have found an intressesting neurological podcast. > http://www.medicalnewspodcast.com/stat.html > http://www.medicalnewspodcast.com/media/stat071406.mp3 is about > borrelia cysts and dementia (alzheimer) it's about what infections are > causing it's an intervju with Mc. > He finds infections may be one of causes for alzheimer. > Borrelia in alzheimer and finds intressesting things in 7/10 of the > patients. > > > /Per > > pjeanneus wrote: > > >Hello all, > >I haven't seen a post in some time. How is everyone doing? > > > >I am having ongoing problems with a tooth that has a very sensitive > >nerve, but supposedly no infection. The 3 dentists don't think my > >vertigo has anything to do with my dental work. They want me to see a > >neurologist. > > > >Help! > > > >a Carnes > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Tony's better at guessing about antibiotics than I am. If you've got actinomycoses, you might respond well to Augmentin. The Penicillin VK is supposed to be a good dental abx. That's what I'm on, and it definitely reduces my symptoms a lot, but it hasn't eradicated the infection in my jaw. The tetracycline family is supposed to have good bone penetration, but I've only had modest results from them. Maybe tony will chime in on some good dental abx. Penicillin VK's the only thing that keeps on keepin on for me. I don't think an MRI's going to show you what you need unless you have a soft tissue infection. For tracking your tooth you'll need a CT. VERY thin slices. But unless you've got a really good radiologist/doctor reading the scans I don't know how helpful they'll be, You could always try to find an ortho surgeon and get his off-the-record opinion. If you can locate a source of infection in the tooth for sure, getting the tooth out might be your best recourse. penny pjeanneus <pj7@...> wrote: Thanks, Penny. I think I can get my regular doctor to prescribe any antibiotic I want, but I don't know what to ask for. I see her Thursday and will be calling neurologists again tomorrow - didn't get anywhere Friday. Yes, I will get an MRI.Do you have any suggestions on what antibiotics? I can't take quinolones but usually tolerate anything else.a>> I'm here. Barely. After a good spell of getting things done I desperately needed to take care of, I've been extremely fatigued again. And fighting with my freakin' insurance company, which has suddenly decided to deny drugs I've been relying on for ages. Actually, I'm too tired to fight with them. It's a catch 22, need the drugs to fight the fatigue. Too fatigued to fight for the drugs. Oh, and I think my sinuses may be worse than before the surgery although I won't know until I get those scans. > > Of course, I still need to get to Arizona for the scans. Have been saying that for months & months, but it's hard when you don't have decent transportation or energy. See, before I go there, I need to get a new car, and I haven't had the energy to shop for a new car. Anyway, my daughter's coming home soon and I'm hoping she can help me get there.> > But regarding your tooth. They NEVER see infection. There's no point in asking the dental establishment to even look. It's too big a can of worms and they're not trained to deal with it properly anyway. Believe me, the ADA doesn't want anyone knowing anything about how serious dental infections are.> > You need to see someone who knows how to scan for bone type infections. A tooth infection can also spread to the trigeminal nerve which goes directly to the brain, which could also have something to do with your vertigo. Until you get someone who knows what he/she's doing, and some really good scans or biopsies, you might as well beat your head against a wall, or hope your doc gets lucky and prescribes you a good antibiotic. I'm not normally a gambler, but, based on all the experience I've had with this, and all the people I know who are in the same boat, I'd bet money that your ear problem is related to your tooth.> > Maybe you'll get a decent neurologist? Try to find a neurologist who is familiar with chronic infections and ask him who the best possible radiologist is???? And ask for very fine slices in the scan, so that perhaps, if you get a decent radiologist, he can find a wormhole somewhere. Maybe he'll biopsy something in your head for you? Otherwise, I really don't know what to tell you. :-(> > penny> > p.s. How do they rule out infection as a cause for vertigo? Do they culture ear drum fluid or anything like that?> > I know a guy who's been going deaf over the years. He probably is deaf by now. There's no known cure and quite a few years ago, before I knew about all this chronic infection stuff, he told me about a renowned specialist here in San Diego who was doing a radical experimental treatment for deafness by injecting antibiotics into the ear drum. He was too scared to undergo the treatment due to the potential for further damage being done to the ear drum, so he passed. Knowing what I know now, what a shame he didn't do it. And I really wish I knew who the doctor was, since he was looking at a bacterial basis as the cause for progressive deafness. There's so much that's being ignored by the medical establishment, not just dentists.> > > pjeanneus <pj7@...> wrote:> Hello all,> I haven't seen a post in some time. How is everyone doing? > > I am having ongoing problems with a tooth that has a very sensitive > nerve, but supposedly no infection. The 3 dentists don't think my > vertigo has anything to do with my dental work. They want me to see a > neurologist.> > Help!> > a Carnes> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 I'm frustrated right now because I seem to have more symptoms of a sinus infection, now than I ever did before my surgery. And all the ENT did was slightly expand the openings with the baloon sinuplasty. No major surgery. But now I have pain/pressure in my cheeks, jaw and teeth, and feel it when I move my head to the side, etc. All on the right side where the CT scans showed infection before, but I never experienced any symptoms. Now I've got symptoms! If these frikkin' ENTS don't open their eyes and smell the bio-films pretty soon, I don't know what we're all going to do. And you know what really sucks? I've got a huge bill I need to pay before I can go back and see the ENT. Turns out my surgery/anesthesia and 1/2 day of outpatient hopsital care cost $36,000. How do they justify that? The hospital got $25k of that. For taking my blood pressure, giving me a bed, and monitoring me post anesthesia. It's unbelievable. penny p.s. I haven't been proactively going after the sinus infection with the iodine rinses because I wanted to get scans of the current state of affairs, but I'm going to have to stop holding out and do something about this, because it's really getting to me, and probably explains why I'm so fatigued. I've been using the salt pipe, which seems to help a little. But I'm going to have to start the iodine rinse now. Besides the scans are really for the purpose of showing wormholes between teeth and sinuses more than anything. I need to know what to remove and where to debride if I've got any chance of beating this thing. I've been putting this off, because I know the surgery's going to knock me on my butt and there are no guarantees. But something's gotta happen. Penny Houle <pennyhoule@...> wrote: Tony's better at guessing about antibiotics than I am. If you've got actinomycoses, you might respond well to Augmentin. The Penicillin VK is supposed to be a good dental abx. That's what I'm on, and it definitely reduces my symptoms a lot, but it hasn't eradicated the infection in my jaw. The tetracycline family is supposed to have good bone penetration, but I've only had modest results from them. Maybe tony will chime in on some good dental abx. Penicillin VK's the only thing that keeps on keepin on for me. I don't think an MRI's going to show you what you need unless you have a soft tissue infection. For tracking your tooth you'll need a CT. VERY thin slices. But unless you've got a really good radiologist/doctor reading the scans I don't know how helpful they'll be, You could always try to find an ortho surgeon and get his off-the-record opinion. If you can locate a source of infection in the tooth for sure, getting the tooth out might be your best recourse. penny pjeanneus <pj7@...> wrote: Thanks, Penny. I think I can get my regular doctor to prescribe any antibiotic I want, but I don't know what to ask for. I see her Thursday and will be calling neurologists again tomorrow - didn't get anywhere Friday. Yes, I will get an MRI.Do you have any suggestions on what antibiotics? I can't take quinolones but usually tolerate anything else.a>> I'm here. Barely. After a good spell of getting things done I desperately needed to take care of, I've been extremely fatigued again. And fighting with my freakin' insurance company, which has suddenly decided to deny drugs I've been relying on for ages. Actually, I'm too tired to fight with them. It's a catch 22, need the drugs to fight the fatigue. Too fatigued to fight for the drugs. Oh, and I think my sinuses may be worse than before the surgery although I won't know until I get those scans. > > Of course, I still need to get to Arizona for the scans. Have been saying that for months & months, but it's hard when you don't have decent transportation or energy. See, before I go there, I need to get a new car, and I haven't had the energy to shop for a new car. Anyway, my daughter's coming home soon and I'm hoping she can help me get there.> > But regarding your tooth. They NEVER see infection. There's no point in asking the dental establishment to even look. It's too big a can of worms and they're not trained to deal with it properly anyway. Believe me, the ADA doesn't want anyone knowing anything about how serious dental infections are.> > You need to see someone who knows how to scan for bone type infections. A tooth infection can also spread to the trigeminal nerve which goes directly to the brain, which could also have something to do with your vertigo. Until you get someone who knows what he/she's doing, and some really good scans or biopsies, you might as well beat your head against a wall, or hope your doc gets lucky and prescribes you a good antibiotic. I'm not normally a gambler, but, based on all the experience I've had with this, and all the people I know who are in the same boat, I'd bet money that your ear problem is related to your tooth.> > Maybe you'll get a decent neurologist? Try to find a neurologist who is familiar with chronic infections and ask him who the best possible radiologist is???? And ask for very fine slices in the scan, so that perhaps, if you get a decent radiologist, he can find a wormhole somewhere. Maybe he'll biopsy something in your head for you? Otherwise, I really don't know what to tell you. :-(> > penny> > p.s. How do they rule out infection as a cause for vertigo? Do they culture ear drum fluid or anything like that?> > I know a guy who's been going deaf over the years. He probably is deaf by now. There's no known cure and quite a few years ago, before I knew about all this chronic infection stuff, he told me about a renowned specialist here in San Diego who was doing a radical experimental treatment for deafness by injecting antibiotics into the ear drum. He was too scared to undergo the treatment due to the potential for further damage being done to the ear drum, so he passed. Knowing what I know now, what a shame he didn't do it. And I really wish I knew who the doctor was, since he was looking at a bacterial basis as the cause for progressive deafness. There's so much that's being ignored by the medical establishment, not just dentists.> > > pjeanneus <pj7@...> wrote:> Hello all,> I haven't seen a post in some time. How is everyone doing? > > I am having ongoing problems with a tooth that has a very sensitive > nerve, but supposedly no infection. The 3 dentists don't think my > vertigo has anything to do with my dental work. They want me to see a > neurologist.> > Help!> > a Carnes> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 The oral surgeon prescribed augmentin. I took it 7 days and it did nothing. I just saw my good dentist today. He tested the nerve in the tooth and say it is definitely alive and very sensitive. Then he treated it with a laser. He seems to understand my not wanting a root canal. He doesn't seem to want to tell me what to do but did indicate by not saying anything that waiting might be the best thing to do right now. I have an apt. to get the root canal but probably will not get it if I feel any improvement at all. a > > Tony's better at guessing about antibiotics than I am. If you've got actinomycoses, you might respond well to Augmentin. The Penicillin VK is supposed to be a good dental abx. That's what I'm on, and it definitely reduces my symptoms a lot, but it hasn't eradicated the infection in my jaw. The tetracycline family is supposed to have good bone penetration, but I've only had modest results from them. Maybe tony will chime in on some good dental abx. Penicillin VK's the only thing that keeps on keepin on for me. > > I don't think an MRI's going to show you what you need unless you have a soft tissue infection. For tracking your tooth you'll need a CT. VERY thin slices. But unless you've got a really good radiologist/doctor reading the scans I don't know how helpful they'll be, You could always try to find an ortho surgeon and get his off-the- record opinion. If you can locate a source of infection in the tooth for sure, getting the tooth out might be your best recourse. > > penny > > > > pjeanneus <pj7@...> wrote: > Thanks, Penny. I think I can get my regular doctor to prescribe any > antibiotic I want, but I don't know what to ask for. I see her > Thursday and will be calling neurologists again tomorrow - didn't get > anywhere Friday. Yes, I will get an MRI. > > Do you have any suggestions on what antibiotics? I can't take > quinolones but usually tolerate anything else. > > a > > > > > I'm here. Barely. After a good spell of getting things done I > desperately needed to take care of, I've been extremely fatigued > again. And fighting with my freakin' insurance company, which has > suddenly decided to deny drugs I've been relying on for ages. > Actually, I'm too tired to fight with them. It's a catch 22, need the > drugs to fight the fatigue. Too fatigued to fight for the drugs. Oh, > and I think my sinuses may be worse than before the surgery although > I won't know until I get those scans. > > > > Of course, I still need to get to Arizona for the scans. Have > been saying that for months & months, but it's hard when you don't > have decent transportation or energy. See, before I go there, I need > to get a new car, and I haven't had the energy to shop for a new car. > Anyway, my daughter's coming home soon and I'm hoping she can help me > get there. > > > > But regarding your tooth. They NEVER see infection. There's no > point in asking the dental establishment to even look. It's too big a > can of worms and they're not trained to deal with it properly anyway. > Believe me, the ADA doesn't want anyone knowing anything about how > serious dental infections are. > > > > You need to see someone who knows how to scan for bone type > infections. A tooth infection can also spread to the trigeminal nerve > which goes directly to the brain, which could also have something to > do with your vertigo. Until you get someone who knows what he/she's > doing, and some really good scans or biopsies, you might as well beat > your head against a wall, or hope your doc gets lucky and prescribes > you a good antibiotic. I'm not normally a gambler, but, based on all > the experience I've had with this, and all the people I know who are > in the same boat, I'd bet money that your ear problem is related to > your tooth. > > > > Maybe you'll get a decent neurologist? Try to find a neurologist > who is familiar with chronic infections and ask him who the best > possible radiologist is???? And ask for very fine slices in the scan, > so that perhaps, if you get a decent radiologist, he can find a > wormhole somewhere. Maybe he'll biopsy something in your head for > you? Otherwise, I really don't know what to tell you. :-( > > > > penny > > > > p.s. How do they rule out infection as a cause for vertigo? Do > they culture ear drum fluid or anything like that? > > > > I know a guy who's been going deaf over the years. He probably is > deaf by now. There's no known cure and quite a few years ago, before > I knew about all this chronic infection stuff, he told me about a > renowned specialist here in San Diego who was doing a radical > experimental treatment for deafness by injecting antibiotics into the > ear drum. He was too scared to undergo the treatment due to the > potential for further damage being done to the ear drum, so he > passed. Knowing what I know now, what a shame he didn't do it. And I > really wish I knew who the doctor was, since he was looking at a > bacterial basis as the cause for progressive deafness. There's so > much that's being ignored by the medical establishment, not just > dentists. > > > > > > pjeanneus <pj7@> wrote: > > Hello all, > > I haven't seen a post in some time. How is everyone doing? > > > > I am having ongoing problems with a tooth that has a very sensitive > > nerve, but supposedly no infection. The 3 dentists don't think my > > vertigo has anything to do with my dental work. They want me to see > a > > neurologist. > > > > Help! > > > > a Carnes > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Augmentin's never done anything for me either. But it seems to help some people. pennypjeanneus <pj7@...> wrote: The oral surgeon prescribed augmentin. I took it 7 days and it did nothing. I just saw my good dentist today. He tested the nerve in the tooth and say it is definitely alive and very sensitive. Then he treated it with a laser. He seems to understand my not wanting a root canal. He doesn't seem to want to tell me what to do but did indicate by not saying anything that waiting might be the best thing to do right now.I have an apt. to get the root canal but probably will not get it if I feel any improvement at all.a>> Tony's better at guessing about antibiotics than I am. If you've got actinomycoses, you might respond well to Augmentin. The Penicillin VK is supposed to be a good dental abx. That's what I'm on, and it definitely reduces my symptoms a lot, but it hasn't eradicated the infection in my jaw. The tetracycline family is supposed to have good bone penetration, but I've only had modest results from them. Maybe tony will chime in on some good dental abx. Penicillin VK's the only thing that keeps on keepin on for me.> > I don't think an MRI's going to show you what you need unless you have a soft tissue infection. For tracking your tooth you'll need a CT. VERY thin slices. But unless you've got a really good radiologist/doctor reading the scans I don't know how helpful they'll be, You could always try to find an ortho surgeon and get his off-the-record opinion. If you can locate a source of infection in the tooth for sure, getting the tooth out might be your best recourse. > > penny> > > > pjeanneus <pj7@...> wrote:> Thanks, Penny. I think I can get my regular doctor to prescribe any > antibiotic I want, but I don't know what to ask for. I see her > Thursday and will be calling neurologists again tomorrow - didn't get > anywhere Friday. Yes, I will get an MRI.> > Do you have any suggestions on what antibiotics? I can't take > quinolones but usually tolerate anything else.> > a> > >> > I'm here. Barely. After a good spell of getting things done I > desperately needed to take care of, I've been extremely fatigued > again. And fighting with my freakin' insurance company, which has > suddenly decided to deny drugs I've been relying on for ages. > Actually, I'm too tired to fight with them. It's a catch 22, need the > drugs to fight the fatigue. Too fatigued to fight for the drugs. Oh, > and I think my sinuses may be worse than before the surgery although > I won't know until I get those scans. > > > > Of course, I still need to get to Arizona for the scans. Have > been saying that for months & months, but it's hard when you don't > have decent transportation or energy. See, before I go there, I need > to get a new car, and I haven't had the energy to shop for a new car. > Anyway, my daughter's coming home soon and I'm hoping she can help me > get there.> > > > But regarding your tooth. They NEVER see infection. There's no > point in asking the dental establishment to even look. It's too big a > can of worms and they're not trained to deal with it properly anyway. > Believe me, the ADA doesn't want anyone knowing anything about how > serious dental infections are.> > > > You need to see someone who knows how to scan for bone type > infections. A tooth infection can also spread to the trigeminal nerve > which goes directly to the brain, which could also have something to > do with your vertigo. Until you get someone who knows what he/she's > doing, and some really good scans or biopsies, you might as well beat > your head against a wall, or hope your doc gets lucky and prescribes > you a good antibiotic. I'm not normally a gambler, but, based on all > the experience I've had with this, and all the people I know who are > in the same boat, I'd bet money that your ear problem is related to > your tooth.> > > > Maybe you'll get a decent neurologist? Try to find a neurologist > who is familiar with chronic infections and ask him who the best > possible radiologist is???? And ask for very fine slices in the scan, > so that perhaps, if you get a decent radiologist, he can find a > wormhole somewhere. Maybe he'll biopsy something in your head for > you? Otherwise, I really don't know what to tell you. :-(> > > > penny> > > > p.s. How do they rule out infection as a cause for vertigo? Do > they culture ear drum fluid or anything like that?> > > > I know a guy who's been going deaf over the years. He probably is > deaf by now. There's no known cure and quite a few years ago, before > I knew about all this chronic infection stuff, he told me about a > renowned specialist here in San Diego who was doing a radical > experimental treatment for deafness by injecting antibiotics into the > ear drum. He was too scared to undergo the treatment due to the > potential for further damage being done to the ear drum, so he > passed. Knowing what I know now, what a shame he didn't do it. And I > really wish I knew who the doctor was, since he was looking at a > bacterial basis as the cause for progressive deafness. There's so > much that's being ignored by the medical establishment, not just > dentists.> > > > > > pjeanneus <pj7@> wrote:> > Hello all,> > I haven't seen a post in some time. How is everyone doing? > > > > I am having ongoing problems with a tooth that has a very sensitive > > nerve, but supposedly no infection. The 3 dentists don't think my > > vertigo has anything to do with my dental work. They want me to see > a > > neurologist.> > > > Help!> > > > a Carnes> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 On Oct 9, 2006, at 2:28 PM, Penny Houle wrote: > If these frikkin' ENTS don't open their eyes and smell the bio- > films pretty soon, I don't know what we're all going to do. I forget, is there anyone in the US working on phages at all? > And you know what really sucks? I've got a huge bill I need to pay > before I can go back and see the ENT. Turns out my surgery/ > anesthesia and 1/2 day of outpatient hopsital care cost $36,000. > How do they justify that? The hospital got $25k of that. For taking > my blood pressure, giving me a bed, and monitoring me post > anesthesia. It's unbelievable. That's totally crazy. I'm so sorry to hear about that. - Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 10:28:41AM -0700, Penny Houle wrote: > And you know what really sucks? I've got a huge bill I need to pay > before I can go back and see the ENT. Turns out my surgery/anesthesia and > 1/2 day of outpatient hopsital care cost $36,000. How do they justify > that? The hospital got $25k of that. For taking my blood pressure, giving > me a bed, and monitoring me post anesthesia. It's unbelievable. If you had insurance, the bill would probably come back from them slashed by a factor of five or ten. At least that's been my experience, on a couple of occasions: truly ridiculous bills, which suddenly turn into something just normally expensive, by prior agreement between the hospital and the insurance company. My impression is that ridiculous bills are intended to screw insurance companies who don't have a prior agreement. Individuals can usually walk away from the bills. (We don't have debtors' prisons any more.) Of course, if you need to go back and get more care from them, you'll have to come to some sort of agreement -- but it probably doesn't have to involve paying anything like that amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 That's WITH insurance, unfortunately. Insurance paid a lot but refused to cover it all, so I'm stuck with several thousands of dollars I wasn't planning on, plus the anesthesiologist and doc's fees that were over and above. I truly am disgusted by the whole system. pennyNorman Yarvin <norman.yarvin@...> wrote: On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 10:28:41AM -0700, Penny Houle wrote:> And you know what really sucks? I've got a huge bill I need to pay> before I can go back and see the ENT. Turns out my surgery/anesthesia and> 1/2 day of outpatient hopsital care cost $36,000. How do they justify> that? The hospital got $25k of that. For taking my blood pressure, giving> me a bed, and monitoring me post anesthesia. It's unbelievable.If you had insurance, the bill would probably come back from them slashedby a factor of five or ten. At least that's been my experience, on acouple of occasions: truly ridiculous bills, which suddenly turn intosomething just normally expensive, by prior agreement between thehospital and the insurance company. My impression is that ridiculousbills are intended to screw insurance companies who don't have a prioragreement. Individuals can usually walk away from the bills. (We don'thave debtors' prisons any more.) Of course, if you need to go back andget more care from them, you'll have to come to some sort of agreement --but it probably doesn't have to involve paying anything like that amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Not to mention, Insurance is suddenly challenging almost every prescription I'm on, except the dirt cheap ones, of course. pennyNorman Yarvin <norman.yarvin@...> wrote: On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 10:28:41AM -0700, Penny Houle wrote:> And you know what really sucks? I've got a huge bill I need to pay> before I can go back and see the ENT. Turns out my surgery/anesthesia and> 1/2 day of outpatient hopsital care cost $36,000. How do they justify> that? The hospital got $25k of that. For taking my blood pressure, giving> me a bed, and monitoring me post anesthesia. It's unbelievable.If you had insurance, the bill would probably come back from them slashedby a factor of five or ten. At least that's been my experience, on acouple of occasions: truly ridiculous bills, which suddenly turn intosomething just normally expensive, by prior agreement between thehospital and the insurance company. My impression is that ridiculousbills are intended to screw insurance companies who don't have a prioragreement. Individuals can usually walk away from the bills. (We don'thave debtors' prisons any more.) Of course, if you need to go back andget more care from them, you'll have to come to some sort of agreement --but it probably doesn't have to involve paying anything like that amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 On Oct 12, 2006, at 12:48 PM, Penny Houle wrote: > I truly am disgusted by the whole system. Well, there's something wrong with the basic premise that profit- making companies are going to ever be happy to continuously pay out benefits to the sickest people who need them the most. Not that our Canadian system works too well either. In our case, taxpayers probably aren't willing to pay out the true cost of good medical care until they're personally the sick people, in which case it's too late. Oh, I suppose there's a lot of inefficiency that could be fixed, which would help. An even bigger help would be research of the type that actually focuses on curing or even preventing disease, and dissemination of this information to physicians, especially the ones whose ultimate goal seems to be getting a patient out of their office within the next 5 minutes. All this wallowing around in chronic disease is what truly costs society the most. - Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Is the denial of coverage because the treatment is 'experimental', or because the price charged goes beyond their standard rates? (Denying coverage for experimental treatments is a pretty standard feature of insurance plans, and a great way to put a halt to medical progress.) On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 08:48:42AM -0700, Penny Houle wrote: >That's WITH insurance, unfortunately. Insurance paid a lot but refused to >cover it all, so I'm stuck with several thousands of dollars I wasn't >planning on, plus the anesthesiologist and doc's fees that were over and >above. > > I truly am disgusted by the whole system. > > penny > >Norman Yarvin <norman.yarvin@...> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 10:28:41AM -0700, Penny Houle wrote: > >> And you know what really sucks? I've got a huge bill I need to pay >> before I can go back and see the ENT. Turns out my surgery/anesthesia and >> 1/2 day of outpatient hopsital care cost $36,000. How do they justify >> that? The hospital got $25k of that. For taking my blood pressure, giving >> me a bed, and monitoring me post anesthesia. It's unbelievable. > >If you had insurance, the bill would probably come back from them slashed >by a factor of five or ten. At least that's been my experience, on a >couple of occasions: truly ridiculous bills, which suddenly turn into >something just normally expensive, by prior agreement between the >hospital and the insurance company. My impression is that ridiculous >bills are intended to screw insurance companies who don't have a prior >agreement. Individuals can usually walk away from the bills. (We don't >have debtors' prisons any more.) Of course, if you need to go back and >get more care from them, you'll have to come to some sort of agreement -- >but it probably doesn't have to involve paying anything like that amount. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Beyond their standard rates. Also, my ENT dropped my insurance company shortly after my surgery due to a reduction in their payment rate. I've got to try to see if I can do something to negotiate the price down, but it's hard when you're fatigued and have to figth to get all your drugs pre-authorized, etc. What a crazy system. Expecting a sick person to try to wade through it is akin to asking a 6 year old to do your taxes. :-) penny Norman Yarvin <norman.yarvin@...> wrote: Is the denial of coverage because the treatment is 'experimental', orbecause the price charged goes beyond their standard rates?(Denying coverage for experimental treatments is a pretty standardfeature of insurance plans, and a great way to put a halt to medicalprogress.)On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 08:48:42AM -0700, Penny Houle wrote:>That's WITH insurance, unfortunately. Insurance paid a lot but refused to>cover it all, so I'm stuck with several thousands of dollars I wasn't>planning on, plus the anesthesiologist and doc's fees that were over and>above.> > I truly am disgusted by the whole system.> > penny>>Norman Yarvin <norman.yarvinsnet (DOT) net> wrote:> On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 10:28:41AM -0700, Penny Houle wrote:>>> And you know what really sucks? I've got a huge bill I need to pay>> before I can go back and see the ENT. Turns out my surgery/anesthesia and>> 1/2 day of outpatient hopsital care cost $36,000. How do they justify>> that? The hospital got $25k of that. For taking my blood pressure, giving>> me a bed, and monitoring me post anesthesia. It's unbelievable.>>If you had insurance, the bill would probably come back from them slashed>by a factor of five or ten. At least that's been my experience, on a>couple of occasions: truly ridiculous bills, which suddenly turn into>something just normally expensive, by prior agreement between the>hospital and the insurance company. My impression is that ridiculous>bills are intended to screw insurance companies who don't have a prior>agreement. Individuals can usually walk away from the bills. (We don't>have debtors' prisons any more.) Of course, if you need to go back and>get more care from them, you'll have to come to some sort of agreement -->but it probably doesn't have to involve paying anything like that amount.>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 I think what first started scaring me about socialized medicine is that we have ~200(?) LLMDs in the states, where Europe and Canada seem to have ~4 apiece. However, I'm not actually at all sure whether that's largely a function of how the health system is financed, or not. > > I truly am disgusted by the whole system. > > Well, there's something wrong with the basic premise that profit- > making companies are going to ever be happy to continuously pay out > benefits to the sickest people who need them the most. Not that our > Canadian system works too well either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Normally the insurance co and the Doctor have agreed on the price before the operation. Because the " guide lines " set for that operation are set. If the doctor does extra, Padding " the insurance will not cover anything outside of the guide lines. You also should not have to pay, unless you signed a contract saying you will pay for anything outside the standard guidelines, period. Most sinus operations, run 5-6 thousand. check with a medical lawyer, 2 hundred will save you 30 thousand. jimd --- Norman Yarvin <norman.yarvin@...> wrote: > Is the denial of coverage because the treatment is > 'experimental', or > because the price charged goes beyond their standard > rates? > > (Denying coverage for experimental treatments is a > pretty standard > feature of insurance plans, and a great way to put a > halt to medical > progress.) > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 08:48:42AM -0700, Penny > Houle wrote: > >That's WITH insurance, unfortunately. Insurance > paid a lot but refused to > >cover it all, so I'm stuck with several thousands > of dollars I wasn't > >planning on, plus the anesthesiologist and doc's > fees that were over and > >above. > > > > I truly am disgusted by the whole system. > > > > penny > > > >Norman Yarvin <norman.yarvin@...> wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 10:28:41AM -0700, > Penny Houle wrote: > > > >> And you know what really sucks? I've got a huge > bill I need to pay > >> before I can go back and see the ENT. Turns out > my surgery/anesthesia and > >> 1/2 day of outpatient hopsital care cost $36,000. > How do they justify > >> that? The hospital got $25k of that. For taking > my blood pressure, giving > >> me a bed, and monitoring me post anesthesia. It's > unbelievable. > > > >If you had insurance, the bill would probably come > back from them slashed > >by a factor of five or ten. At least that's been my > experience, on a > >couple of occasions: truly ridiculous bills, which > suddenly turn into > >something just normally expensive, by prior > agreement between the > >hospital and the insurance company. My impression > is that ridiculous > >bills are intended to screw insurance companies who > don't have a prior > >agreement. Individuals can usually walk away from > the bills. (We don't > >have debtors' prisons any more.) Of course, if you > need to go back and > >get more care from them, you'll have to come to > some sort of agreement -- > >but it probably doesn't have to involve paying > anything like that amount. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 When I was on i.v. antibiotics, my home health care (weekly dressing changes) billed insurance $125,000! They obviously didn't pay all of that, but almost 2 years later, the home health care company (which had been sold in the meantime) tried to send me a bill for several thousand dollars! I was so ticked off that they waited that long, and it was way past any kind of deadline my insurance gave me for making additional claims to them. So I ended up writing them a very strongly worded letter and cc'd it to my attorney, and I never heard another word from them or any kind of collection agency. Thanks, you guys. You're giving me the motivation to try to set this straight. I know my ENT charged something like $6k, and I owe her like $600, and the anesthesiologist I also owe like $500. But it's the hospital that I really set me off. How could they possible charge over $25,000 for less than a half day in their hospital and for basically doing nothing but providing a bed, and some time in recovery after the anesthesia wore off? I'm going to ask them for a detailed report and see if there's something wrong with their bill. I also hold my ENT responsible for not making me aware of the charges prior to surgery. I remember now that the surgery I cancelled a couple years back did make me aware and explained that the anesthesiologist they used was not on the insurance plan and would be billing me seperately (or something like that). Unfortunately, more and more doctors here are just dropping insurance companies and leaving the patients to figure out how they're going to pay. I know it's hard for them to deal with these guys, just as it is for us, but it really sucks for patients who don't have their resources. The other thing that drives me crazy is it's almost impossible to reach a live person when I call my insurance company. Or try finding a number to fax a pre-auth claim to. Once you do, they say they never received it. How can you prove them wrong, without sending everything by certified mail? They do everything they possibly can to avoid paying a claim. It's not right. I hope 's new movie throws the whole thing up in their corporate faces. anyway, sorry for the rant, guys. Some days you just wake up on the wrong side of the system. :-) <usenethod@...> wrote: I think what first started scaring me about socialized medicine is that we have ~200(?) LLMDs in the states, where Europe and Canada seem to have ~4 apiece. However, I'm not actually at all sure whether that's largely a function of how the health system is financed, or not.> > I truly am disgusted by the whole system.> > Well, there's something wrong with the basic premise that profit- > making companies are going to ever be happy to continuously pay out > benefits to the sickest people who need them the most. Not that our > Canadian system works too well either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Most sinus surgerys run 5-6000?. The surgery I had 9 years ago was 10,000. The sinus surgery I had in July was 32,000 and the bills are still coming. I wonder where you are getting our figures? Marie --- jim davis <jimd85379@...> wrote: > Normally the insurance co and the Doctor have agreed > on the price before the operation. Because the > " guide > lines " set for that operation are set. If the > doctor > does extra, Padding " the insurance will not cover > anything outside of the guide lines. You also > should > not have to pay, unless you signed a contract saying > you will pay for anything outside the standard > guidelines, period. Most sinus operations, run 5-6 > thousand. check with a medical lawyer, 2 hundred > will > save you 30 thousand. jimd > > --- Norman Yarvin <norman.yarvin@...> wrote: > > > Is the denial of coverage because the treatment is > > 'experimental', or > > because the price charged goes beyond their > standard > > rates? > > > > (Denying coverage for experimental treatments is a > > pretty standard > > feature of insurance plans, and a great way to put > a > > halt to medical > > progress.) > > > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 08:48:42AM -0700, Penny > > Houle wrote: > > >That's WITH insurance, unfortunately. Insurance > > paid a lot but refused to > > >cover it all, so I'm stuck with several thousands > > of dollars I wasn't > > >planning on, plus the anesthesiologist and doc's > > fees that were over and > > >above. > > > > > > I truly am disgusted by the whole system. > > > > > > penny > > > > > >Norman Yarvin <norman.yarvin@...> wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 10:28:41AM > -0700, > > Penny Houle wrote: > > > > > >> And you know what really sucks? I've got a huge > > bill I need to pay > > >> before I can go back and see the ENT. Turns out > > my surgery/anesthesia and > > >> 1/2 day of outpatient hopsital care cost > $36,000. > > How do they justify > > >> that? The hospital got $25k of that. For taking > > my blood pressure, giving > > >> me a bed, and monitoring me post anesthesia. > It's > > unbelievable. > > > > > >If you had insurance, the bill would probably > come > > back from them slashed > > >by a factor of five or ten. At least that's been > my > > experience, on a > > >couple of occasions: truly ridiculous bills, > which > > suddenly turn into > > >something just normally expensive, by prior > > agreement between the > > >hospital and the insurance company. My impression > > is that ridiculous > > >bills are intended to screw insurance companies > who > > don't have a prior > > >agreement. Individuals can usually walk away from > > the bills. (We don't > > >have debtors' prisons any more.) Of course, if > you > > need to go back and > > >get more care from them, you'll have to come to > > some sort of agreement -- > > >but it probably doesn't have to involve paying > > anything like that amount. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 04:57:13PM -0700, Penny Houle wrote: > I also hold my ENT responsible for not making me aware of the charges > prior to surgery. It always seems sort of crude and gauche to ask a doctor how much will be charged for a procedure, but I'm afraid it's become necessary; and when I've done it (on a small scale), I've encountered a surprising amount of sympathy. I've heard one can even haggle over prices, although I've never had cause to do so. (Since a lot of patients don't pay their bills, it is reasonable to ask if one can get a discount for payment in advance -- although, of course, a big bureaucracy like a hospital will just laugh at you.) > I hope 's new movie throws the whole thing up in their > corporate faces. They'll be happy to pass more regulations to address whatever shit he throws at them. It'll make the system even more Byzantine and inscrutable. -- Norman Yarvin http://yarchive.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Yeah, mine was only $6k because the baloon sinuplasty is such a simple procedure. Send up a little balloon, expand the openings a tad, suck out the gook. It still blows my mind that the hospital wants $25k for giving me a bed and making sure I didn't die post op. I will say, I woke up feeling like I'd been through hell. They'd had a tough time finding my bp before surgery, so I wonder if maybe things didn't go all that smoothly with the anesthesia? And my throat/mouth was really sore, like something had been really jammed down there, and I don't know why that would have been the case. I also had difficulty emptying my bladder post surgery, which meant I had to stay around longer for observation, until I finally trickled a little. But still, $25k??? to the hospital for a 4 hour stay? pennyMarie Mayberry <msmabrry@...> wrote: Most sinus surgerys run 5-6000?. The surgery I had 9years ago was 10,000. The sinus surgery I had in Julywas 32,000 and the bills are still coming. I wonderwhere you are getting our figures? Marie--- jim davis <jimd85379 > wrote:> Normally the insurance co and the Doctor have agreed> on the price before the operation. Because the> "guide> lines" set for that operation are set. If the> doctor> does extra, Padding" the insurance will not cover> anything outside of the guide lines. You also> should> not have to pay, unless you signed a contract saying> you will pay for anything outside the standard> guidelines, period. Most sinus operations, run 5-6> thousand. check with a medical lawyer, 2 hundred> will> save you 30 thousand. jimd> > --- Norman Yarvin <norman.yarvinsnet (DOT) net> wrote:> > > Is the denial of coverage because the treatment is> > 'experimental', or> > because the price charged goes beyond their> standard> > rates?> > > > (Denying coverage for experimental treatments is a> > pretty standard> > feature of insurance plans, and a great way to put> a> > halt to medical> > progress.)> > > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 08:48:42AM -0700, Penny> > Houle wrote:> > >That's WITH insurance, unfortunately. Insurance> > paid a lot but refused to> > >cover it all, so I'm stuck with several thousands> > of dollars I wasn't> > >planning on, plus the anesthesiologist and doc's> > fees that were over and> > >above.> > > > > > I truly am disgusted by the whole system.> > > > > > penny> > >> > >Norman Yarvin <norman.yarvinsnet (DOT) net> wrote:> > > On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 10:28:41AM> -0700,> > Penny Houle wrote:> > >> > >> And you know what really sucks? I've got a huge> > bill I need to pay> > >> before I can go back and see the ENT. Turns out> > my surgery/anesthesia and> > >> 1/2 day of outpatient hopsital care cost> $36,000.> > How do they justify> > >> that? The hospital got $25k of that. For taking> > my blood pressure, giving> > >> me a bed, and monitoring me post anesthesia.> It's> > unbelievable.> > >> > >If you had insurance, the bill would probably> come> > back from them slashed> > >by a factor of five or ten. At least that's been> my> > experience, on a> > >couple of occasions: truly ridiculous bills,> which> > suddenly turn into> > >something just normally expensive, by prior> > agreement between the> > >hospital and the insurance company. My impression> > is that ridiculous> > >bills are intended to screw insurance companies> who> > don't have a prior> > >agreement. Individuals can usually walk away from> > the bills. (We don't> > >have debtors' prisons any more.) Of course, if> you> > need to go back and> > >get more care from them, you'll have to come to> > some sort of agreement --> > >but it probably doesn't have to involve paying> > anything like that amount.> > >> > >> > > > > > > > __________________________________________________> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 In a message dated 10/13/2006 5:21:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, usenethod@... writes: > I will say, I woke up feeling like I'd been through hell. They'd had a tough time finding my bp before surgery, so I wonder if maybe things didn't go all that smoothly with the anesthesia? And my throat/mouth was really sore, like something had been really jammed down there, and I don't know why that would have been the case. I also had difficulty emptying my bladder post surgery, which meant I had to stay around longer for observation, until I finally trickled a little. But still, $25k??? to the hospital for a 4 hour stay?That seems completely insane... Did they give you lunch? Sometimes Jello and apple sauce can add up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 > I will say, I woke up feeling like I'd been through hell. They'd had a tough time finding my bp before surgery, so I wonder if maybe things didn't go all that smoothly with the anesthesia? And my throat/mouth was really sore, like something had been really jammed down there, and I don't know why that would have been the case. I also had difficulty emptying my bladder post surgery, which meant I had to stay around longer for observation, until I finally trickled a little. But still, $25k??? to the hospital for a 4 hour stay? That seems completely insane... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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