Re: Obesity linked to mix of bacteria in digestive tract

[Guest guest]

a,

My wife has several varieties of mycoplasma, HHV6, chlamydia pneumonia,

and a few others. These are diagnoses from blood tests at various

times over the past 7 or 8 years, many of them recently reconfirmed.

Abx are from her MD, with some prodding from us. He is quite

conversant with CFS / ME / MCS. He is also learning Yasko, and sees

some merit in it, though I think he feels she may be stretching some of

her points.

I understand BH4, aka tetrahydrobiopterin, to be an obscure folate.

It's not widely available in the US, we get it indirectly from a Swiss

pharmacy. The only U.S. source we're currently aware of is Living Well

Today, 804-523-7801, livingwelltoday@.... Annoyingly, they insist

on a 30 minute phone consult before selling you any.

We have heard that some other places, such as compounding pharmacies,

are looking into carrying the product.

The pills we get are about $4 each and have to be stored in the

freezer. It is intimately involved in the production of

neurotransmitters and other aspects important to CNS function. It also

is used for all three isotypes of nitric ozide synthases (NOS in the

urea cycle). It is also the cofactor for another reaction that

regulates the lipid composition of cell membranes. There is some

evidence that it may also impact the integrity of the walls of gram

positive bacteria like strep and staph, giving it some antimicrobial

properties.

Yasko has a diagram of enzyme pathways that includes the BH4 <==>

BH2 cycle here:

www.autismanswer.com/pathway_diagrams/diagram_1.pdf

There is not a ton of info

out there on BH4 yet. The above is what we gleaned from various

discussion lists and papers, but alas, I didn't save the citations or

URLs.

Somewhere we found mention that BH4 may help reduce chemical

sensitivity. That hasn't been my wife's experience as yet, but it's

early and she is still on a tiny dose. Hopefully the dose can go up as

her pathogen load goes down.

Best,

--Bob

pjeanneus wrote:

Bob, can you give us a link as to what BH4 is?

Also, when did your wife's tendon problems begin?

Also, what bacteria has she been tested for?

Did Yasko prescribe the antibiotics, or are you doing that along with

Yasko's recommendations?

Thanks,

a Carnes

[Guest guest]

BArb

My post was directed at the state of people's blood resembling

curdled milk-just blood cells clumping, coagulating internally, red

cell roulette formations.Neat stuff like that. I just wanted rich to

understand that trying to study curdled blood isn't WISE. What's your

take on it?

tony

> >

> > Rich

> > I didn't expect you to miss it. I just feel EXTREMELY STRONGLY

that

> > by making every effort to discover what is in curdled milk, ain't

> > going to solve anyone's problems.MY approach is put the milk back

in

> > the fridge!!!-

>

[Guest guest]

Tony,

I'm curious ... what industry did you come from, and what position did

you have within it?

Cheers,

--Bob

dumbaussie2000 wrote:

Bob BOb BOb Bob BOB

You must understand that the reason these ilnesses EVEN EXIST is

because people are taught to be trim and proper and go thru pomp and

ceremony.MATE I come from an industry where I had to get to the

bottom of the problem, NOW!!. I couldn't sit thru pomp and ceremony.

I think in a previous post I even explained to a don't go thru

the POMP AND CEREMONY STUFF it's just medicine feeding off you.I

don't know if anyone looks around at all ILNESSES, but my brother's

boy spent 2 YEARS doing the pomp and ceremony crap without any

answers.AND THIS IS THE FREAKIN" NORM... There's no fukin person that

goes and gets some clear explanation. You have to have diabetes to be

given an answer in an afternoon and even then they'll put you on

there treadmill.So it may not be a simple disease- but INFLAMMATION

OF THE BRAIN AND SPINAL CORD (ME) isn't necessarily a hard disease to

try and track either.If your head is half moth eaten by infection

(SINUS) you have enough CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO BE ILL, INFLAMMED,

SICK, BRAIN DEAD, this sinus infection your often not even aware of

is beyond small it's half way into your brain.And remember the other

camp that's so not into infections is creating the problem of not

being able to put this ilness into it's correct

perspective..ESPECIALLY THE THEORIZERS(RICH)...

> > >

> > > > Then to top it all off we have the glutathione king

preaching

his

> > > > gospel, 'get your red cells checked fopr

glutathione', do

yammy

> > > > yaskos' panel of tests for a grand amount possably

totalling

2500

> > > > dollars.How freakin stupid is that. Why would you

want to get

> > your

> > > > blood checked for some outstanding CRAP when it's

FREAKIN

> > CURDLING

> > > IN

> > > > YOUR VEINS...

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bob

I was self employed for 26 years. We dealt with latest technology

electronics in our jukebox, pinball, video game equipment.We used to

get technology straight out of japan that would amaze my brother in

law who worked at AT & T (NCR DIVISION). You alway's had to come up

with strategies to get to the bottom of high technology electronic

and mechanical problems, often on a daily basis.You also alway's had

to get to the best man for the job on occasion, which amazingly

enough fits in with all these medical challenges.

> > > > >

> > > > > > Then to top it all off we have the glutathione king

preaching

> > his

> > > > > > gospel, 'get your red cells checked fopr glutathione', do

> > yammy

> > > > > > yaskos' panel of tests for a grand amount possably

totalling

> > 2500

> > > > > > dollars.How freakin stupid is that. Why would you want to

get

> > > > your

> > > > > > blood checked for some outstanding CRAP when it's FREAKIN

> > > > CURDLING

> > > > > IN

> > > > > > YOUR VEINS...

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Are you talking about " rouleaux " which is RBCs stacked onto each

other like a stack of coins?.

My bloods been like that several times in my distant past.

Pretty shocking to see. (A wonder I didn't have a clot somewhere if

you ask me).

No- it's not a good thing-

What specifically about it?

Barb

> > >

> > > Rich

> > > I didn't expect you to miss it. I just feel EXTREMELY STRONGLY

> that

> > > by making every effort to discover what is in curdled milk,

ain't

> > > going to solve anyone's problems.MY approach is put the milk

back

> in

> > > the fridge!!!-

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Barb'

Yes I'm talking about rouleaux formations, and the stuff andy wright

shows. I'm just trying to say that people should focus primarily on

the mess there blood stream is in instead of spending hard earned

money on the million and one defaults that come once it's become that

mess.

I'm trying to say stay away from the CRAP SHOOTERS (RICH, YASKO) and

get with the Andy s that show the zoo that makes up your blood

stream once it's left your body.It's a rule in life that a stitch in

time saves nine. This applies to your testing.Imagine the realisation

of having a DIC problem (disseminated intravascular coagulation)

which0 is at the heart of INFECTION. YES I " LL REPEAT THAT FOR THE NON

BELIEVERS INFECTION!!!!!!!!!!and you can actually have treatment and

if it's targeted and delivered correctly RELIEF, no BULLSHIT SMART

ASS CRAP that doesn't even understand that ME or autism is an

inflammed brain problem, yet classified as some genetic mutation that

seems to have increased 10,000 fold in the past 20 years.I'm sorry I

may be blunt, but the good guys are still on the number 563rd visit

to there local cfs doctor and nothing's changed...

> > > >

> > > > Rich

> > > > I didn't expect you to miss it. I just feel EXTREMELY

STRONGLY

> > that

> > > > by making every effort to discover what is in curdled milk,

> ain't

> > > > going to solve anyone's problems.MY approach is put the milk

> back

> > in

> > > > the fridge!!!-

> > >

> >

>