Re: Darryl See

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I agree with you there. Doctors are very intelligent so it's hard to understand why they don't figure things out, especially with all the patients they see who should reaveal some kind of patterns for them. All I can think is that they are so brainwashed by the time they're through their medical training that it's hard to break away from the indoctrination. Plus, physicians tend to be people who excel at memorizing many, many facts, which doesn't necessarily translate into creative thinking. A really good diagnostician is actually kind of a rarity. As for Dr. See. I can't find much on him other than the controversy around his association (and related research) with the Transfer Factor people. I really don't know if the whole scandal was completely justified or not. However, I know people who were treated by Dr. See and highly recommended him. I don't know what he's doing now except that his address seems to

keep changing, along with his affiliations (last I heard, he was big on glyconutrients. He also started out thinking, back in the 90s, that CFS was viral, but then became convinced it was caused by mycoplasma incognitus. I have no idea where he stands today). I had actually made an appointment with him a couple of years back. However my appointment was cancelled when his office called to say he had to suddenly fly to France to obtain stem cells that had become available (this was prior to the recent law change here that made stem cell research legal). The people I know say he's very kind, and very, very smart, and also very sick. I do believe that Dr. See had a big impact on the CFS community and it's interest in killer cells and immune boosters like Transfer Factor and Immunpro. I'm sure if you called him, he'd be happy to talk to you about what he's doing, if anything. If you can find him. :-) penny <usenethod@...> wrote: > And Dr. Darryl See, in L.A. who's had a rocky history and has been quite maligned (justifiably, I can't say), was experimenting with stem cell treatments in pwc, but he had to do it out of the states. Well well well! You can bet I'm elated by this.Alas for the gulf between our society and one in which you could assume the worst about an exile. Please let me know any details I'm not going to find out already by

googling the heck out of his name.> He has a chronic illness himself, so he's motivated.I cant quite decide whether there is a special degree of realism or scientific awareness that arises from that situation - it sure seems that way tho. I wonder about our antagonists in the medical power structure - surely at least a couple of them have eventually come down with Permanent Everything Syndrome themselves. Do they really reach for the prozac or the codecies of autoimmunity, or can they sense as I do the telling and doubt-invoking "MY ass isnt at stake" in the work of psychologizers and of the AI crowd (who to be fair are quite a bit more alert). Conversely tho, its absolutely amazing that more sick physicians and researchers dont figure out whats (probably) going on. This never ceases to shock me, because these people are generally many times smarter than most people on chronic illness boards like to

imagine.

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I forgot to add that Dr. See was affiliated with BioImmune Inc. (natural treatments) for a while as a scientific advisor. However, it was my understanding that the affiliation was short lived, although he's still listed on their website press releases but not on the scientific advisory board. I met Mr. Takemoto, president and CEO of BioImmune. Mr. Takemoto was also very motivated because his daughter was very ill and many of his products were designed to help her (i.e. the i.v. asorbic acid derived from beets, as well as a new i.v. colloidal silver product). Eventually, they discovered that his daughter's problems were stemming from osteomyelitis of the jaw (just like me). Fortunately, debridement and amx treatment seemed to work for her. She went from extreme illness and pain to good health. Plus she's very young, which I think helped her recovery a lot. However, what I'm getting to is this: Around the time of his

supposed disassociation with BioImmune, the rumors were that Dr. See was becoming increasingly difficult to work with. Now this could simply be a one-sided perspective, or perhaps it has something to do with the nature of his illness or the other turmoil in his life? From what I'm told, he was quite sick, and we all know what that can do to our brains, although this is pure speculation. My instinct is that he really was trying to help people, but also that his desperation may have been leading him down some questionable paths. On the other hand, we need docs who'll think outside the box and go down those questionable paths, otherwise, nothing changes. I was quite excited about his delving into stem cell research, because people say he is brilliant, and I'd been hearing of success from the Mexican clinic. I was especially glad for his involvement, because after visiting that clinic, it was quite apparent that it was all about the

money down there. They were dropping everything else they'd been doing and were focusing almost exclusively on the stem cell transfusions. While I was there, people were flying in on private planes for two hour visits and $10,000 treatments, and the head of the clinic seemed quite proud of the fact. :-( The fact that people were sold enough on the treatments to drop $10k a pop, however, is kind of interesting. But at this point, I can't find anything about Dr. See and his stem cell research. It's quite possible that after everything he's been through, he's keeping a low profile. You might, however, want to do some searches on the Mexican Clinic doing the stem cell stuff. (sorry, I can't recall the name at the moment, but they were originally affiliated with the dark field microscope guy, Bradford, and did i.v. bleach infusions, which they bought from him. They (or possibly

Bradfor) also have a U.S. office this side of the border in Chula Vista. Or at least there used to be. That affiliation is also somewhat sketchy at this point. pennyPenny Houle <pennyhoule@...> wrote: I agree with you there. Doctors are very intelligent so it's hard to understand why they don't figure things out, especially with all the patients they see who should reaveal some kind of patterns for them. All I can think is that they are so brainwashed by the time

they're through their medical training that it's hard to break away from the indoctrination. Plus, physicians tend to be people who excel at memorizing many, many facts, which doesn't necessarily translate into creative thinking. A really good diagnostician is actually kind of a rarity. As for Dr. See. I can't find much on him other than the controversy around his association (and related research) with the Transfer Factor people. I really don't know if the whole scandal was completely justified or not. However, I know people who were treated by Dr. See and highly recommended him. I don't know what he's doing now except that his address seems to keep changing, along with his affiliations (last I heard, he was big on glyconutrients. He also started out thinking, back in the 90s, that CFS was viral, but then became convinced it was caused by mycoplasma incognitus. I have no idea where he stands today). I had

actually made an appointment with him a couple of years back. However my appointment was cancelled when his office called to say he had to suddenly fly to France to obtain stem cells that had become available (this was prior to the recent law change here that made stem cell research legal). The people I know say he's very kind, and very, very smart, and also very sick. I do believe that Dr. See had a big impact on the CFS community and it's interest in killer cells and immune boosters like Transfer Factor and Immunpro. I'm sure if you called him, he'd be happy to talk to you about what he's doing, if anything. If you can find him. :-) penny <usenethod > wrote: > And Dr. Darryl See, in L.A. who's had a rocky

history and has been quite maligned (justifiably, I can't say), was experimenting with stem cell treatments in pwc, but he had to do it out of the states. Well well well! You can bet I'm elated by this.Alas for the gulf between our society and one in which you could assume the worst about an exile. Please let me know any details I'm not going to find out already by googling the heck out of his name.> He has a chronic illness himself, so he's motivated.I cant quite decide whether there is a special degree of realism or scientific awareness that arises from that situation - it sure seems that way tho. I wonder about our antagonists in the medical power structure - surely at least a couple of them have eventually come down with Permanent Everything Syndrome themselves. Do they really reach for the prozac or the codecies of autoimmunity, or can they sense as I do the telling and doubt-invoking "MY ass

isnt at stake" in the work of psychologizers and of the AI crowd (who to be fair are quite a bit more alert). Conversely tho, its absolutely amazing that more sick physicians and researchers dont figure out whats (probably) going on. This never ceases to shock me, because these people are generally many times smarter than most people on chronic illness boards like to imagine.

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Penny,

Here I go again!

I attended a conference in Sydney (in fact it was more like a gigantic hype session to sell Manatech products) and Darryl See was their medical advisor. He was weird, and told idiotic pathetic jokes (like a traveling salesman or a very bad stand up comic).

My opinion, and that of other people who attended that conference, was that we certainly weren't impressed. That was in early 99 in Sydney, Australia.

Nelly

Re: [infections] Darryl See

I forgot to add that Dr. See was affiliated with BioImmune Inc. (natural treatments) for a while as a scientific advisor. However, it was my understanding that the affiliation was short lived, although he's still listed on their website press releases but not on the scientific advisory board. I met Mr. Takemoto, president and CEO of BioImmune. Mr. Takemoto was also very motivated because his daughter was very ill and many of his products were designed to help her (i.e. the i.v. asorbic acid derived from beets, as well as a new i.v. colloidal silver product). Eventually, they discovered that his daughter's problems were stemming from osteomyelitis of the jaw (just like me). Fortunately, debridement and amx treatment seemed to work for her. She went from extreme illness and pain to good health. Plus she's very young, which I think helped her recovery a lot.

However, what I'm getting to is this: Around the time of his supposed disassociation with BioImmune, the rumors were that Dr. See was becoming increasingly difficult to work with. Now this could simply be a one-sided perspective, or perhaps it has something to do with the nature of his illness or the other turmoil in his life? From what I'm told, he was quite sick, and we all know what that can do to our brains, although this is pure speculation. My instinct is that he really was trying to help people, but also that his desperation may have been leading him down some questionable paths. On the other hand, we need docs who'll think outside the box and go down those questionable paths, otherwise, nothing changes. I was quite excited about his delving into stem cell research, because people say he is brilliant, and I'd been hearing of success from the Mexican clinic. I was especially glad for his involvement, because after visiting that clinic, it was quite apparent that it was all about the money down there. They were dropping everything else they'd been doing and were focusing almost exclusively on the stem cell transfusions. While I was there, people were flying in on private planes for two hour visits and $10,000 treatments, and the head of the clinic seemed quite proud of the fact. :-( The fact that people were sold enough on the treatments to drop $10k a pop, however, is kind of interesting.

But at this point, I can't find anything about Dr. See and his stem cell research. It's quite possible that after everything he's been through, he's keeping a low profile.

You might, however, want to do some searches on the Mexican Clinic doing the stem cell stuff. (sorry, I can't recall the name at the moment, but they were originally affiliated with the dark field microscope guy, Bradford, and did i.v. bleach infusions, which they bought from him. They (or possibly Bradfor) also have a U.S. office this side of the border in Chula Vista. Or at least there used to be. That affiliation is also somewhat sketchy at this point.

pennyPenny Houle <pennyhoule > wrote:

I agree with you there. Doctors are very intelligent so it's hard to understand why they don't figure things out, especially with all the patients they see who should reaveal some kind of patterns for them. All I can think is that they are so brainwashed by the time they're through their medical training that it's hard to break away from the indoctrination. Plus, physicians tend to be people who excel at memorizing many, many facts, which doesn't necessarily translate into creative thinking. A really good diagnostician is actually kind of a rarity.

As for Dr. See. I can't find much on him other than the controversy around his association (and related research) with the Transfer Factor people. I really don't know if the whole scandal was completely justified or not. However, I know people who were treated by Dr. See and highly recommended him. I don't know what he's doing now except that his address seems to keep changing, along with his affiliations (last I heard, he was big on glyconutrients. He also started out thinking, back in the 90s, that CFS was viral, but then became convinced it was caused by mycoplasma incognitus. I have no idea where he stands today). I had actually made an appointment with him a couple of years back. However my appointment was cancelled when his office called to say he had to suddenly fly to France to obtain stem cells that had become available (this was prior to the recent law change here that made stem cell research legal). The people I know say he's very kind, and very, very smart, and also very sick. I do believe that Dr. See had a big impact on the CFS community and it's interest in killer cells and immune boosters like Transfer Factor and Immunpro.

I'm sure if you called him, he'd be happy to talk to you about what he's doing, if anything. If you can find him. :-)

penny <usenethod > wrote:

> And Dr. Darryl See, in L.A. who's had a rocky history and has been quite maligned (justifiably, I can't say), was experimenting with stem cell treatments in pwc, but he had to do it out of the states. Well well well! You can bet I'm elated by this.Alas for the gulf between our society and one in which you could assume the worst about an exile. Please let me know any details I'm not going to find out already by googling the heck out of his name.> He has a chronic illness himself, so he's motivated.I cant quite decide whether there is a special degree of realism or scientific awareness that arises from that situation - it sure seems that way tho. I wonder about our antagonists in the medical power structure - surely at least a couple of them have eventually come down with Permanent Everything Syndrome themselves. Do they really reach for the prozac or the codecies of autoimmunity, or can they sense as I do the telling and doubt-invoking "MY ass isnt at stake" in the work of psychologizers and of the AI crowd (who to be fair are quite a bit more alert). Conversely tho, its absolutely amazing that more sick physicians and researchers dont figure out whats (probably) going on. This never ceases to shock me, because these people are generally many times smarter than most people on chronic illness boards like to imagine.

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Weird doesnt scare me, in itself. However, I think glyconutrients do.

> Penny,

>

> Here I go again!

>

> I attended a conference in Sydney (in fact it was more like a

gigantic hype session to sell Manatech products) and Darryl See was

their medical advisor. He was weird, and told idiotic pathetic jokes

(like a traveling salesman or a very bad stand up comic).

>

> My opinion, and that of other people who attended that conference,

was that we certainly weren't impressed. That was in early 99 in

Sydney, Australia.

>

> Nelly

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Yeah, I've heard the most diverse comments about the man. From those who love him to those who revile him. And I'm talking smart people on both sides. I did hear he was becoming more and more volatile, but this is all hearsay. I have no personal opinion or knowledge of the man, other than what I'm told by friends and acquaintances. penny Nelly Pointis <janel@...> wrote: Penny, Here I go again! I attended a conference in Sydney (in fact it was more like a gigantic hype session to sell Manatech products) and Darryl See was their medical advisor. He was weird, and told idiotic pathetic jokes (like a traveling salesman or a very bad stand up comic). My opinion, and that of other people who attended that conference, was that we certainly weren't impressed. That was in early 99 in Sydney, Australia. Nelly Re: [infections] Darryl See I forgot to add that Dr. See was affiliated with BioImmune Inc. (natural treatments) for a while as a scientific advisor. However, it was my understanding that the affiliation was short lived, although he's still listed on their website press releases but not on the scientific advisory board. I met Mr. Takemoto, president and CEO of BioImmune. Mr. Takemoto was also very motivated

because his daughter was very ill and many of his products were designed to help her (i.e. the i.v. asorbic acid derived from beets, as well as a new i.v. colloidal silver product). Eventually, they discovered that his daughter's problems were stemming from osteomyelitis of the jaw (just like me). Fortunately, debridement and amx treatment seemed to work for her. She went from extreme illness and pain to good health. Plus she's very young, which I think helped her recovery a lot. However, what I'm getting to is this: Around the time of his supposed disassociation with BioImmune, the rumors were that Dr. See was becoming increasingly difficult to work with. Now this could simply be a one-sided perspective, or perhaps it has something to do with the nature of his illness or the other turmoil in his life? From what I'm told, he was quite sick, and we all know what that can do to our brains, although this is pure speculation. My

instinct is that he really was trying to help people, but also that his desperation may have been leading him down some questionable paths. On the other hand, we need docs who'll think outside the box and go down those questionable paths, otherwise, nothing changes. I was quite excited about his delving into stem cell research, because people say he is brilliant, and I'd been hearing of success from the Mexican clinic. I was especially glad for his involvement, because after visiting that clinic, it was quite apparent that it was all about the money down there. They were dropping everything else they'd been doing and were focusing almost exclusively on the stem cell transfusions. While I was there, people were flying in on private planes for two hour visits and $10,000 treatments, and the head of the clinic seemed quite proud of the fact. :-( The fact that people were sold enough on the treatments to drop $10k

a pop, however, is kind of interesting. But at this point, I can't find anything about Dr. See and his stem cell research. It's quite possible that after everything he's been through, he's keeping a low profile. You might, however, want to do some searches on the Mexican Clinic doing the stem cell stuff. (sorry, I can't recall the name at the moment, but they were originally affiliated with the dark field microscope guy, Bradford, and did i.v. bleach infusions, which they bought from him. They (or possibly Bradfor) also have a U.S. office this side of the border in Chula Vista. Or at least there used to be. That affiliation is also somewhat sketchy at this point. pennyPenny Houle <pennyhoule > wrote: I agree with you there. Doctors are very intelligent so it's hard

to understand why they don't figure things out, especially with all the patients they see who should reaveal some kind of patterns for them. All I can think is that they are so brainwashed by the time they're through their medical training that it's hard to break away from the indoctrination. Plus, physicians tend to be people who excel at memorizing many, many facts, which doesn't necessarily translate into creative thinking. A really good diagnostician is actually kind of a rarity. As for Dr. See. I can't find much on him other than the controversy around his association (and related research) with the Transfer Factor people. I really don't know if the whole scandal was completely justified or not. However, I know people who were treated by Dr. See and highly recommended him. I don't know what he's doing now except that his address seems to keep changing, along with his affiliations (last I heard, he

was big on glyconutrients. He also started out thinking, back in the 90s, that CFS was viral, but then became convinced it was caused by mycoplasma incognitus. I have no idea where he stands today). I had actually made an appointment with him a couple of years back. However my appointment was cancelled when his office called to say he had to suddenly fly to France to obtain stem cells that had become available (this was prior to the recent law change here that made stem cell research legal). The people I know say he's very kind, and very, very smart, and also very sick. I do believe that Dr. See had a big impact on the CFS community and it's interest in killer cells and immune boosters like Transfer Factor and Immunpro. I'm sure if you called him, he'd be happy to talk to you about what he's doing, if anything. If you can find him. :-) penny

<usenethod > wrote: > And Dr. Darryl See, in L.A. who's had a rocky history and has been quite maligned (justifiably, I can't say), was experimenting with stem cell treatments in pwc, but he had to do it out of the states. Well well well! You can bet I'm elated by this.Alas for the gulf between our society and one in which you could assume the worst about an exile. Please let me know any details I'm not going to find out already by googling the heck out of his name.> He has a chronic illness himself, so he's motivated.I cant quite decide whether there is a special degree of realism or scientific awareness that arises from that situation - it sure seems that way tho. I wonder about our antagonists in the medical power structure - surely at least a couple of them have eventually come down with Permanent Everything

Syndrome themselves. Do they really reach for the prozac or the codecies of autoimmunity, or can they sense as I do the telling and doubt-invoking "MY ass isnt at stake" in the work of psychologizers and of the AI crowd (who to be fair are quite a bit more alert). Conversely tho, its absolutely amazing that more sick physicians and researchers dont figure out whats (probably) going on. This never ceases to shock me, because these people are generally many times smarter than most people on chronic illness boards like to imagine.