Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Hey Tony, here's a good herb! Ha, ha, just kidding, so you don't have to write an essay about herbs and infections. I am not really very into herbs, except in my food and my garden. However, I feel it's my duty to report that I started taking andrographis as a support to my abx routine and suddenly I had the sore ear cartilage that I get every time I start a new abx. Barb has said that spirochetes like to live in ears. Tony doesn't believe in spirochetes or Lyme, however, I feel that there is something happening here! I've been taking resveratrol lately too, which may increase blood flow and decrease inflammation. (Yes, I've been reading Buhner.) Just giving you a hard time Tony! All in fun. - Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Kate I was only teasing you. I don't give a rats about too much, I'm just fascinated with people's experiences and results so I read carefully.I just place a major ilness in it's rightfull place- I see us needing chaemotherapy, 'basically thrashed to within an inch of your life', as opposed to wee willy wonker herbs and weeds stuff to get well.Now I am absolutely focused on achieving great looking skin from eating fruits and vegetables as opposed to taking supplements to try and achieve this. cheers --- In infections , Kate <KateDunlay@...> wrote: > > Tony, control yourself. You seem to believe that soil can contain > beneficial phages, so why couldn't plants contain some beneficial > agents? > > You know, every time somebody criticizes you, I always stick up for > you. I actually like you. So I'm not going to take your response > personally. > > I listen to you, and I tried to get penicillin to try some high dose > therapy but Canada Customs got it instead of me. Believe me, some of > us are trying to act on your suggestions, but it's very difficult going. > > - Kate > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Kate, if you knew tony, you'd realize he was kidding with you. And believe it or not, because he probably won't admit this publicly, he actually does beleive that some "herbs and weeds" as he calls them, can help a lot. Like milk thistle for example. Or one of those, I can't remember. Kate <KateDunlay@...> wrote: Tony, control yourself. You seem to believe that soil can contain beneficial phages, so why couldn't plants contain some beneficial agents?You know, every time somebody criticizes you, I always stick up for you. I actually like you. So I'm not going to take your response personally.I listen to you, and I tried to get penicillin to try some high dose therapy but Canada Customs got it instead of me. Believe me, some of us are trying to act on your suggestions, but it's very difficult going.- Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 By the way, despite Tony's sometimes very vocal protestations, all treatment possibilities are fine for discussion on this list, as long as someone's not profiting from it. That includes herbs, or martian rocks, as far as I'm concerned. Seriously, we're open here. But we also like to see things backed up with SOMETHING convincing, because I think most of us are tired of jumping on and off the "next big cure" merry go round. penny Kate <KateDunlay@...> wrote: Tony, control yourself. You seem to believe that soil can contain beneficial phages, so why couldn't plants contain some beneficial agents?You know, every time somebody criticizes you, I always stick up for you. I actually like you. So I'm not going to take your response personally.I listen to you, and I tried to get penicillin to try some high dose therapy but Canada Customs got it instead of me. Believe me, some of us are trying to act on your suggestions, but it's very difficult going.- Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 God Tony, I just had a thought. Suppose some brilliant researcher came to our list and yours was the first he read? He'd run for the hills. penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Penny I sometimes read what I wrote the previous day and I duck for cover.But on a serious note when you haven't explored the basic obvious principles of infection and start throwing theories into the air, it's no way to get real answers.Imagine going into your doctors and the guide to treatment book clearly explains an infectious ear condition.... you basically want to know if your ear contains pseudonomas like is frequently believed the cause, instead of speculating.The treatment is variable if it's a pseudomonal infection, your also likely to flare up your pseudomonal infection with zithromax. So Kate would be on and off target doing a single therapy... it may cut down some bugs, while annoying others IMO. tony > > God Tony, I just had a thought. Suppose some brilliant researcher came to our list and yours was the first he read? He'd run for the hills. > > penny > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Has anyone found that andrographis made your blood pressure TOO low? my normal BP is 90 over 60. i haven't started andro yet but the book mentions that it lowers BP. i think a few of the other herbs also have this affect. could this be potentially dangerous? G - if you haven't already sent your questions in to Buhner, perhaps this could be on your list. Thanks! Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 Hi, Steve- I had to quit the andrographis because of nausea and diarrhea. I was taking the core protocol: 3 of each herb 3 x daily, plus one Zithromax daily. I'm not sure whether the zith had anything to do with my reaction, but I have quit the protocol and now take zith and teasel. The andrographis was most certainly the cause of the diarrhea. I tried reducing the dose to one tablet at a time, with no luck. I feel better now, in most respects. I have fears of relapse, but maybe they are just fears. Good luck-- Momquixote > > has anyone had stomach trouble with andrographis? > i tried to order a tincture from Biopure and they read me the > contraindications over > the phone saying that large prolonged doses can cause digestive > dysfunction > and can irritate / cause ulcers. it made me hesitate and i ended up not > buying > it. i don't believe buhner mentions that this herb is unsafe. > > i've had IBS for years - and not the constipation kind so i'm not > worrying about the > herb being constipating. > > Steve > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 Hey Momquixote are you still on the zithro? i remember that caused me to have the runs when i tried it last. andro, if i remember, is supposed to cause constipation, no? Steve On Nov 5, 2006, at 9:47 PM, momquixote wrote: > Hi, Steve- > > I had to quit the andrographis because of nausea and diarrhea. I was > taking the core > protocol: 3 of each herb 3 x daily, plus one Zithromax daily. I'm not > sure whether the zith > had anything to do with my reaction, but I have quit the protocol and > now take zith and > teasel. The andrographis was most certainly the cause of the > diarrhea. I tried reducing the > dose to one tablet at a time, with no luck. > > I feel better now, in most respects. I have fears of relapse, but > maybe they are just fears. > > Good luck-- > > Momquixote > > > > > > has anyone had stomach trouble with andrographis? > > i tried to order a tincture from Biopure and they read me the > > contraindications over > > the phone saying that large prolonged doses can cause digestive > > dysfunction > > and can irritate / cause ulcers. it made me hesitate and i ended up > not > > buying > > it. i don't believe buhner mentions that this herb is unsafe. > > > > i've had IBS for years - and not the constipation kind so i'm not > > worrying about the > > herb being constipating. > > > > Steve > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Hi momquixote can you tell me where you obtain the teasel and $. what is your regimen, etc. how long you've tried it and what symptoms have been relieved? mike in ny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Dear vicki thanks for the quick and informative response. I'm off of abx for about a month after a 5 month course of doxy, amox, rocephin for 2 months and a bit of zith. I honestly felt better than when I started but my symptoms are still there but in a lessened form. for the last 2 or three days, I believe my aches and fatigue are growing and I guess I'm going into a downward mode. I was hoping that the teasel was more credible but it appears from your email that's its another deadend. was hoping that this herb was a better bullet. I will probably begin a course of bicillin shortly, maybe with an addition of amox. just getting psyched for the next go-round best mike Tim and Vicki Baggett <baggett@...> wrote: Hi, Mike-- I bought my teasel from www.myherbs.net. 100 capsules cost 11.00 plus shipping. Each capsule is 800 mg of teasel root. I take the suggested one cap 3 times a day. I also take zithromax and a number of vitamins, magnesium, yeast-fighting herbs, etc. I honestly can't tell you if the teasel is working. When I was taking the protocol herbs (with zithromax) I felt kind of permanently herxy---achy and fatigued. Off the protocol, my energy is better, but the aches seem to be localizing in my back and knees. I still get headaches, either way, and my floaters and numbness in my face are increasing. I'm not sure what is going on, really. I just decided that zith plus protocol was too much for me---I was hoping to tough it through for a year, but it was too hard. So I don't know if I'm really better, or if my body is relieved to have less to deal with--and I may be setting myself up for a future relapse. In the past, I'd feel good when I went off of abx, only to relapse. Who knows what is best? At any rate, the teasel doesn't seem to do any harm. Good luck-- Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 Hi all--I'm just bringing this up and seeing if I can post--I've been having a difficult time. Can someone write back so that I know it's gone through? Thanks guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 got it Sam [ ] Re: Andrographis Hi all--I'm just bringing this up and seeing if I can post--I've been having a difficult time. Can someone write back so that I know it's gone through? Thanks guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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