DNA and tertiary syphilis

[Guest guest]

a, it is unlikely you will ruin anyone's hope, so I wouldn't worry

about that.

In regards to your last sentence, " Hum, maybe we should do that for

lyme disease, " I think and have said before that those of us pursuing

this avenue either 1) tried antibiotics and antimalarials and they

failed or 2) could not tolerate them in the doses and time frame

required (i.e. multiple antibiotics and antimalarials for months and

years) to overcome an entrenched and multiple-pathogen infection, some

of it probably from ticks in many cases.

For those people, who are willing and able to pursue this

approach--which means applying a lot of time studying it, and spending

$ on testing and supplements, it seems to me that if you just remain

as an interested side observer, in a year or two you'll know exactly

how well it works. We are conducting our own informal evidence-based

medicine experiment. Why don't you just see how it pans out?

> Please, I am not trying to ruin anyone's hope. I just want all of us

> to get our heads together and THINK and TALK. Am I missing something?

> I am sure I am.

>

> There are people infected with syphilis who do not develop the severe

> tertiary disease with infection in the CNS. Perhaps they have the

> genetic system to fight it off. I wonder what she would find in those

> who cannot? Of course, since Tucaseegee we tend to give folks with

> syphilis high doses of antibiotics. Hum, maybe we should do that for

> Lyme disease.

>

> a Carnes

>

[Guest guest]

Okay, gang, give me a good swift kick if this offends. I keep trying

to get some discussion going, but just keep getting kicked. What do

you think?

a with tertiary borrelia

Dr. Andy has found that 95% of his cfs patients have borrelia.

A doctor in Lousisanna said he has been treating cfs since 1991 and

now is finding 90% of his cfs patients have borrelia.

This leads me to wonder if Yasko has done genetic studies on folks

with tertiary syphilis. It seems that those who develop this stage of

syphilis should have a common DNA problem that makes them likely to

not clear the spirochete for syphilis.

I have been told that borrelia causing Lyme is much more difficult to

treat than the spirochete causing syphilis. I wish I could hope that

Yasko's list of supplements and herbs would treat Lyme, or that the

DNA found in cfs is like autism. What cfs patients did she test? I

mean we cannot even group the cfs population as to causes.

Please, I am not trying to ruin anyone's hope. I just want all of us

to get our heads together and THINK and TALK. Am I missing something?

I am sure I am.

There are people infected with syphilis who do not develop the severe

tertiary disease with infection in the CNS. Perhaps they have the

genetic system to fight it off. I wonder what she would find in those

who cannot? Of course, since Tucaseegee we tend to give folks with

syphilis high doses of antibiotics. Hum, maybe we should do that for

Lyme disease.

a Carnes

[Guest guest]

>>>>Dr. Andy has found that 95% of his cfs patients have

borrelia.

A doctor in Lousisanna said he has been treating cfs since 1991 and

now is finding 90% of his cfs patients have borrelia<<<<<<<<

a

Most doctors find they themselves and there families are infected

with these same tests, yet non of them, nor there families are sick?

Dr. made all sorts of claims 2 years ago and we should have a

million internet pages with people's blood swimming with spirochetes

according to where he was going- WHY HASN'T THIS EVENTUATED?The

problem with having a test that a commoner also tests positive for,

doesn't improve anything IMO.. Testing for something that can

influence an antimicrobial treatment is the only place to put your

money and hopes IMO.Your 11 years of antimicrobial therapy may have

produced a super outcome if you added say penicillin to your already

succesfull regime?You obviously are a good responder to zithromax yet

needed to take the next step up the ladder of improvment ..

tony

>

> Okay, gang, give me a good swift kick if this offends. I keep

trying

> to get some discussion going, but just keep getting kicked. What do

> you think?

> a with tertiary borrelia

>

>

>

> Dr. Andy has found that 95% of his cfs patients have

borrelia.

> A doctor in Lousisanna said he has been treating cfs since 1991 and

> now is finding 90% of his cfs patients have borrelia.

>

> This leads me to wonder if Yasko has done genetic studies on folks

> with tertiary syphilis. It seems that those who develop this stage

of

> syphilis should have a common DNA problem that makes them likely to

> not clear the spirochete for syphilis.

>

> I have been told that borrelia causing Lyme is much more difficult

to

> treat than the spirochete causing syphilis. I wish I could hope that

> Yasko's list of supplements and herbs would treat Lyme, or that the

> DNA found in cfs is like autism. What cfs patients did she test? I

> mean we cannot even group the cfs population as to causes.

>

> Please, I am not trying to ruin anyone's hope. I just want all of us

> to get our heads together and THINK and TALK. Am I missing

something?

> I am sure I am.

>

> There are people infected with syphilis who do not develop the

severe

> tertiary disease with infection in the CNS. Perhaps they have the

> genetic system to fight it off. I wonder what she would find in

those

> who cannot? Of course, since Tucaseegee we tend to give folks with

> syphilis high doses of antibiotics. Hum, maybe we should do that for

> Lyme disease.

>

> a Carnes

>

[Guest guest]

I think it's a worthwhile discussion- because it adresses the group

that's still ill that's already had abx therapy, called every Dr.

that would see them, tried alternative therapies- etc.

If you research syphilis ( and that's not a pleasant task and you

probably did and as I have)

you find that in untreated syphilis, a third of that population

never went into the final stage (tertiary syphilis)...

This is probably only because their immune system held it in check-

but I don't know what illnesses they died of- so it's hard to say if

it's un releated.

I *do* think the immune status of the host is imperative.

And the immune systems abilityies may have alot to do with tissue

type.

Personally- I think some of these bacteria - once resident within us-

are there for life.

Almost of the people on these lists are the non-responders.

I think everyone with Lyme on Lyme.net has been thru Lyme therapies-

conventional and unconventional... and most feel like they're just

going in circles.

ALmost all the Responders drop off the lists and go back to NOT

having their health as the main issue determining the course of their

daily lives-- so we never hear from them.

Barb

>

> Okay, gang, give me a good swift kick if this offends. I keep

trying

> to get some discussion going, but just keep getting kicked. What do

> you think?

> a with tertiary borrelia

>

>

>

> Dr. Andy has found that 95% of his cfs patients have

borrelia.

> A doctor in Lousisanna said he has been treating cfs since 1991 and

> now is finding 90% of his cfs patients have borrelia.

>

> This leads me to wonder if Yasko has done genetic studies on folks

> with tertiary syphilis. It seems that those who develop this stage

of

> syphilis should have a common DNA problem that makes them likely to

> not clear the spirochete for syphilis.

>

> I have been told that borrelia causing Lyme is much more difficult

to

> treat than the spirochete causing syphilis. I wish I could hope that

> Yasko's list of supplements and herbs would treat Lyme, or that the

> DNA found in cfs is like autism. What cfs patients did she test? I

> mean we cannot even group the cfs population as to causes.

>

> Please, I am not trying to ruin anyone's hope. I just want all of us

> to get our heads together and THINK and TALK. Am I missing

something?

> I am sure I am.

>

> There are people infected with syphilis who do not develop the

severe

> tertiary disease with infection in the CNS. Perhaps they have the

> genetic system to fight it off. I wonder what she would find in

those

> who cannot? Of course, since Tucaseegee we tend to give folks with

> syphilis high doses of antibiotics. Hum, maybe we should do that for

> Lyme disease.

>

> a Carnes

>

[Guest guest]

Barb'

A true recoverer of these ilnesses ... would be screaming with joy

from the rafters. These diseases are that big and the problem is that

multifaceted- that simple explanation/discussion isn't an answer. You

basically want to know what YOUR trying to achieve in your own 40 or

50 year old body to get the best course of

therapy/supplements/minerals/exercise going...You also don't want to

sit around and ignore the obvious damages- I think that inflammation

of the spine ain't pretty when you have to have steel plates

installed in the lower and upper spine to give you support.This is a

common finding in cfs autopsies, INFLAMMATION OF THE SPINE.

Also Barb, PAula is constantly pointing to her mycoplasma diagnosis

and she doesn't take the antibiotics recommended for it?

tony

> >

> > Okay, gang, give me a good swift kick if this offends. I keep

> trying

> > to get some discussion going, but just keep getting kicked. What

do

> > you think?

> > a with tertiary borrelia

> >

> >

> >

> > Dr. Andy has found that 95% of his cfs patients have

> borrelia.

> > A doctor in Lousisanna said he has been treating cfs since 1991

and

> > now is finding 90% of his cfs patients have borrelia.

> >

> > This leads me to wonder if Yasko has done genetic studies on folks

> > with tertiary syphilis. It seems that those who develop this

stage

> of

> > syphilis should have a common DNA problem that makes them likely

to

> > not clear the spirochete for syphilis.

> >

> > I have been told that borrelia causing Lyme is much more

difficult

> to

> > treat than the spirochete causing syphilis. I wish I could hope

that

> > Yasko's list of supplements and herbs would treat Lyme, or that

the

> > DNA found in cfs is like autism. What cfs patients did she test? I

> > mean we cannot even group the cfs population as to causes.

> >

> > Please, I am not trying to ruin anyone's hope. I just want all of

us

> > to get our heads together and THINK and TALK. Am I missing

> something?

> > I am sure I am.

> >

> > There are people infected with syphilis who do not develop the

> severe

> > tertiary disease with infection in the CNS. Perhaps they have the

> > genetic system to fight it off. I wonder what she would find in

> those

> > who cannot? Of course, since Tucaseegee we tend to give folks with

> > syphilis high doses of antibiotics. Hum, maybe we should do that

for

> > Lyme disease.

> >

> > a Carnes

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Tony and Barb,

Thanks for your comments on the DNA issues. One thing that is showing

up in my family of 3 with borrelia is that we each have our own set

of symptoms or had.

Tony, I can't think of an antibiotic I have not taken. It has been

years since I took a penicillin. Is that what you think I should take

again?

I got my month follow-up evaluation on my physical therapy for

vertigo - to retrain the brain after nerve damage. I have improved a

lot!!! The PT says he doesn't think my inner ear nerve will ever

recover, but the brain will learn to work around it. I am so much

better. This makes me hopeful that whatever bacteria was combining

with the candidiasis or thrush, it is no longer active.

We shall see. I am still taking Zithromax and garlic.

a

> Barb'

> A true recoverer of these ilnesses ... would be screaming with joy

> from the rafters. These diseases are that big and the problem is

that

> multifaceted- that simple explanation/discussion isn't an answer.

You

> basically want to know what YOUR trying to achieve in your own 40

or

> 50 year old body to get the best course of

> therapy/supplements/minerals/exercise going...You also don't want

to

> sit around and ignore the obvious damages- I think that

inflammation

> of the spine ain't pretty when you have to have steel plates

> installed in the lower and upper spine to give you support.This is

a

> common finding in cfs autopsies, INFLAMMATION OF THE SPINE.

> Also Barb, PAula is constantly pointing to her mycoplasma diagnosis

> and she doesn't take the antibiotics recommended for it?

> tony

>

[Guest guest]

Your 11 years of antimicrobial therapy may have

> produced a super outcome if you added say penicillin to your already

> succesfull regime?You obviously are a good responder to zithromax

yet

> needed to take the next step up the ladder of improvment ..

> tony

Tony, you may be correct. I will have to see what my doctor is willing

to do about this.

a