Guest guest Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Yes much confusion. And docs (perhaps ) who've even used animal and shark stem cells in the past. Sounds very iffy to me. But like I said, big demand in Mexico, and this is a whole different league from most Mexican therapies which aren't nearly this pricey. Plus they're being supported by these stateside docs who either really believe in it, or are in it for the money. Hard to say. I'll be interested to hear what happens in Nevada. penny <usenethod@...> wrote: Theres a bit of confusion with this stuff. One thing people do, I vaguely understand, is inject stem cells into damaged tissue - and/or the blood(?). I guess the hope is that they will repair the tissue.Immunoablation with hematopoetic stem cell transplant (or rescue) is different. The hematopoetic stem cell transplant is not always the point in this therapy; sometimes the immunoablation is much more important. The immunoablation (a short treatment with really toxic drugs and/or radiation) kills off almost all your lymphocytes (and who knows what else) in most areas of the body, which may be really great if you have a lymphocyte cancer or lymphocytes that are causing some sort of immune disease. However, this obviously takes your immune system offline and you would rot like a compost pile if you didnt get a hematopoetic stem cell transplant. The hematopoetic stem cells localize in your bone marrow and take over the production of white cells. Eventually your own immune system comes back online (at least almost always).There are actually several important further variations/alterations within/of that type of procedure. But I dont want to get into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Some of you may recall that I tried Zadaxin, an injected synthetic thymus hormone, for six months. It is a product in research to treat HCV. I thought it might help Lyme disease. It did nothing for me, that I could tell. One of the curious and scary questions is whether human stem cells can become infected with mycoplasma or borrelia. We don't want to go there, do we? a > > Yes much confusion. And docs (perhaps ) who've even used animal and shark stem cells in the past. Sounds very iffy to me. But like I said, big demand in Mexico, and this is a whole different league from most Mexican therapies which aren't nearly this pricey. Plus they're being supported by these stateside docs who either really believe in it, or are in it for the money. Hard to say. > > I'll be interested to hear what happens in Nevada. > > penny > > > > <usenethod@...> wrote: > Theres a bit of confusion with this stuff. > > One thing people do, I vaguely understand, is inject stem cells into > damaged tissue - and/or the blood(?). I guess the hope is that they > will repair the tissue. > > Immunoablation with hematopoetic stem cell transplant (or rescue) is > different. The hematopoetic stem cell transplant is not always the > point in this therapy; sometimes the immunoablation is much more > important. The immunoablation (a short treatment with really toxic > drugs and/or radiation) kills off almost all your lymphocytes (and > who knows what else) in most areas of the body, which may be really > great if you have a lymphocyte cancer or lymphocytes that are causing > some sort of immune disease. However, this obviously takes your > immune system offline and you would rot like a compost pile if you > didnt get a hematopoetic stem cell transplant. The hematopoetic stem > cells localize in your bone marrow and take over the production of > white cells. Eventually your own immune system comes back online (at > least almost always). > > There are actually several important further variations/alterations > within/of that type of procedure. But I dont want to get into it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 a We want to go exactly where the right place to go is.Mycoplasma diagnosis hasn't helped anyone? I actually got a thrill and rang a girl in california(LA I think) when she told me she had 4 mcoplasma tests, 2 positive, 2 negative PCR's- I think nicholson labs. Well after speaking to her about the treatments, the costs, and the whole mycoplamsa exercise- she described it as a total waste of time and nothing she did made any difference to her health.Mycoplasma there, she's sick, mycoplasma not there, she's still sick.Do you know of any people that pursue this dead end stuff and actually get anywhere? I keep trying to get you to come out of your shell and look at the bigger picture of fatigue related ilness- the term fibro comes from the tiisue of many sufferers being pathologically described as fibrositis. there's an interesting read on experimental wherby they explain the whole nine yards of these ilnesses to date- lung involvement in just about every case of cfs-94% have IBS -every organ in the body is showing signs of ill health -the brain is shrunken in many MRI scans--Why do you limit your thinking to explanations that are so widely frowned upon and don't go the whole nine yards into explaining the picture of what many of us understand as real disease, with some real elephhants in the lounge room, as opposed to looking for mice in the kitchen ciupboards.a your pet diagnosis are keeping you stuck with non optimum antimicrobial therapies, you have to broaden your thinking and understand that just suffering much of what we have is in the realm of the oppurtunistic infection more than so called mycoplasma infection. A classic recently at the world cup, australia's number one player - diagnosed with gout..I had my doubts with that call, and sure enough his latest diagnosis and the correct one was septic arthritis in the leg.You freakin have to be a sports start to get a call of septic arthritis, we couldn't get this diagnosis in a million yerars, it would always stay gout and you have to learn to live with iot. tony -- In infections , " pjeanneus " <pj7@...> wrote: > > Some of you may recall that I tried Zadaxin, an injected synthetic > thymus hormone, for six months. It is a product in research to treat > HCV. I thought it might help Lyme disease. It did nothing for me, > that I could tell. > > One of the curious and scary questions is whether human stem cells > can become infected with mycoplasma or borrelia. We don't want to go > there, do we? > > a > > > > > > Yes much confusion. And docs (perhaps ) who've even used > animal and shark stem cells in the past. Sounds very iffy to me. But > like I said, big demand in Mexico, and this is a whole different > league from most Mexican therapies which aren't nearly this pricey. > Plus they're being supported by these stateside docs who either > really believe in it, or are in it for the money. Hard to say. > > > > I'll be interested to hear what happens in Nevada. > > > > penny > > > > > > > > <usenethod@> wrote: > > Theres a bit of confusion with this stuff. > > > > One thing people do, I vaguely understand, is inject stem cells > into > > damaged tissue - and/or the blood(?). I guess the hope is that they > > will repair the tissue. > > > > Immunoablation with hematopoetic stem cell transplant (or rescue) > is > > different. The hematopoetic stem cell transplant is not always the > > point in this therapy; sometimes the immunoablation is much more > > important. The immunoablation (a short treatment with really toxic > > drugs and/or radiation) kills off almost all your lymphocytes (and > > who knows what else) in most areas of the body, which may be really > > great if you have a lymphocyte cancer or lymphocytes that are > causing > > some sort of immune disease. However, this obviously takes your > > immune system offline and you would rot like a compost pile if you > > didnt get a hematopoetic stem cell transplant. The hematopoetic > stem > > cells localize in your bone marrow and take over the production of > > white cells. Eventually your own immune system comes back online > (at > > least almost always). > > > > There are actually several important further variations/alterations > > within/of that type of procedure. But I dont want to get into it. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 I seen where they took out either stem cells or heart muscle cells, from the singer Don Ho. they took out the cells in Thailand and sent them to Israel where they were grown up, over a period of a week or two, into many more cells. Then flown back to Thailand and injected back into his heart. last I heard, that it works great --- Penny Houle <pennyhoule@...> wrote: > Yes much confusion. And docs (perhaps ) > who've even used animal and shark stem cells in the > past. Sounds very iffy to me. But like I said, big > demand in Mexico, and this is a whole different > league from most Mexican therapies which aren't > nearly this pricey. Plus they're being supported by > these stateside docs who either really believe in > it, or are in it for the money. Hard to say. > > I'll be interested to hear what happens in Nevada. > > penny > > > > <usenethod@...> wrote: > Theres a bit of confusion with this stuff. > > > One thing people do, I vaguely understand, is inject > stem cells into > damaged tissue - and/or the blood(?). I guess the > hope is that they > will repair the tissue. > > Immunoablation with hematopoetic stem cell > transplant (or rescue) is > different. The hematopoetic stem cell transplant is > not always the > point in this therapy; sometimes the immunoablation > is much more > important. The immunoablation (a short treatment > with really toxic > drugs and/or radiation) kills off almost all your > lymphocytes (and > who knows what else) in most areas of the body, > which may be really > great if you have a lymphocyte cancer or lymphocytes > that are causing > some sort of immune disease. However, this obviously > takes your > immune system offline and you would rot like a > compost pile if you > didnt get a hematopoetic stem cell transplant. The > hematopoetic stem > cells localize in your bone marrow and take over the > production of > white cells. Eventually your own immune system comes > back online (at > least almost always). > > There are actually several important further > variations/alterations > within/of that type of procedure. But I dont want to > get into it. > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Hey Tony, I had a positive PCR for mycoplasma incognitus in 1996. In 1997 Dr. Hyams looked at my blood under live blood mycroscopy when I was on Zithromax and feeling GOOD. My blood looked good. I went off the Zithromax for 3 months and got sicker and sicker. Then he looked at my blood again. The red blood cells were shriveling up and there were blebs on some other blood cells. Hyams was fascinated and tried to get Cheney in the room to look at it. I know I'm not 100% but I also know I do get better than most everyone else as long as I take the Zithromax. So far I haven't found anything else that works. I know what works for me at least partly doesn't work for everyone. So I keep reading and hoping something will turn up - something we can access here in the US in our medical system. Hum maybe I should visit Australia. a > > a > We want to go exactly where the right place to go is.Mycoplasma > diagnosis hasn't helped anyone? I actually got a thrill and rang a > girl in california(LA I think) when she told me she had 4 mcoplasma > tests, 2 positive, 2 negative PCR's- I think nicholson labs. Well > after speaking to her about the treatments, the costs, and the whole > mycoplamsa exercise- she described it as a total waste of time and > nothing she did made any difference to her health.Mycoplasma there, > she's sick, mycoplasma not there, she's still sick.Do you know of any > people that pursue this dead end stuff and actually get anywhere? > I keep trying to get you to come out of your shell and look at the > bigger picture of fatigue related ilness- the term fibro comes from > the tiisue of many sufferers being pathologically described as > fibrositis. there's an interesting read on experimental wherby they > explain the whole nine yards of these ilnesses to date- lung > involvement in just about every case of cfs-94% have IBS -every organ > in the body is showing signs of ill health -the brain is shrunken in > many MRI scans--Why do you limit your thinking to explanations that > are so widely frowned upon and don't go the whole nine yards into > explaining the picture of what many of us understand as real disease, > with some real elephhants in the lounge room, as opposed to looking > for mice in the kitchen ciupboards.a your pet diagnosis are > keeping you stuck with non optimum antimicrobial therapies, you have > to broaden your thinking and understand that just suffering much of > what we have is in the realm of the oppurtunistic infection more than > so called mycoplasma infection. > A classic recently at the world cup, australia's number one player - > diagnosed with gout..I had my doubts with that call, and sure enough > his latest diagnosis and the correct one was septic arthritis in the > leg.You freakin have to be a sports start to get a call of septic > arthritis, we couldn't get this diagnosis in a million yerars, it > would always stay gout and you have to learn to live with iot. > tony > > > > > > > -- In infections , " pjeanneus " > <pj7@> wrote: > > > > Some of you may recall that I tried Zadaxin, an injected synthetic > > thymus hormone, for six months. It is a product in research to > treat > > HCV. I thought it might help Lyme disease. It did nothing for me, > > that I could tell. > > > > One of the curious and scary questions is whether human stem cells > > can become infected with mycoplasma or borrelia. We don't want to > go > > there, do we? > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > Yes much confusion. And docs (perhaps ) who've even used > > animal and shark stem cells in the past. Sounds very iffy to me. > But > > like I said, big demand in Mexico, and this is a whole different > > league from most Mexican therapies which aren't nearly this pricey. > > Plus they're being supported by these stateside docs who either > > really believe in it, or are in it for the money. Hard to say. > > > > > > I'll be interested to hear what happens in Nevada. > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > > > > > <usenethod@> wrote: > > > Theres a bit of confusion with this stuff. > > > > > > One thing people do, I vaguely understand, is inject stem cells > > into > > > damaged tissue - and/or the blood(?). I guess the hope is that > they > > > will repair the tissue. > > > > > > Immunoablation with hematopoetic stem cell transplant (or rescue) > > is > > > different. The hematopoetic stem cell transplant is not always > the > > > point in this therapy; sometimes the immunoablation is much more > > > important. The immunoablation (a short treatment with really > toxic > > > drugs and/or radiation) kills off almost all your lymphocytes > (and > > > who knows what else) in most areas of the body, which may be > really > > > great if you have a lymphocyte cancer or lymphocytes that are > > causing > > > some sort of immune disease. However, this obviously takes your > > > immune system offline and you would rot like a compost pile if > you > > > didnt get a hematopoetic stem cell transplant. The hematopoetic > > stem > > > cells localize in your bone marrow and take over the production > of > > > white cells. Eventually your own immune system comes back online > > (at > > > least almost always). > > > > > > There are actually several important further > variations/alterations > > > within/of that type of procedure. But I dont want to get into it. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 a At least you got to develop a picture of how your red cells improved.Unfortunately we have a trillion red cells and our disease influences a major amount of red cells... this needs paying closer attention to..and possably a better understanding of what TOXINS do to red cells...HAEMOLYSIS. tony > > > > Theres a bit of confusion with this stuff. > > > > > > > > One thing people do, I vaguely understand, is inject stem cells > > > into > > > > damaged tissue - and/or the blood(?). I guess the hope is that > > they > > > > will repair the tissue. > > > > > > > > Immunoablation with hematopoetic stem cell transplant (or > rescue) > > > is > > > > different. The hematopoetic stem cell transplant is not always > > the > > > > point in this therapy; sometimes the immunoablation is much > more > > > > important. The immunoablation (a short treatment with really > > toxic > > > > drugs and/or radiation) kills off almost all your lymphocytes > > (and > > > > who knows what else) in most areas of the body, which may be > > really > > > > great if you have a lymphocyte cancer or lymphocytes that are > > > causing > > > > some sort of immune disease. However, this obviously takes your > > > > immune system offline and you would rot like a compost pile if > > you > > > > didnt get a hematopoetic stem cell transplant. The hematopoetic > > > stem > > > > cells localize in your bone marrow and take over the production > > of > > > > white cells. Eventually your own immune system comes back > online > > > (at > > > > least almost always). > > > > > > > > There are actually several important further > > variations/alterations > > > > within/of that type of procedure. But I dont want to get into > it. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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