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What kind of heart symptoms? I'd see a doc and also get my electrolytes checked stat. Perhaps the salt has thrown your potassium/magnesium balance out of whack? But I have no real idea. Like I said, I'd get to a doc or emergency room asap. pennysunscaper53 <sunscaper53@...> wrote: If one has developed overt cardiac symptoms, after ingesting SALT/C to just 4 grams, working up slowly...like "heart-failure"..and continues

to have chest-like symptoms, to a lesser degree than said heart failure, nine months after said Salt/C, was STOPPED..is not Chest "herxing", cause no ABX, anti-pathogenic herbals are being utilized, WHAT IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH, does one do to deal with said "chest symptoms", except REST..take Coenzyme Q/10, Fish Oil??? This person has had CFS/ME for 34 years...51 years if one goes all the way back to MONO as a 2 year old.Anyone have any ideas?

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This sounds dreadfully like a few other people experiences on this

forum...Poke the problem and you get it to reveal it's true colours.

I wouldn't blame the salt C, I'm sure there's other things that will

bring about a similar outcome.The true ilness rearing it's ugly head

again.

tony

> If one has developed overt cardiac symptoms, after

ingesting SALT/C to

> just 4 grams, working up slowly...like " heart-failure " ..and

continues

> to have chest-like symptoms, to a lesser degree than said heart

> failure, nine months after said Salt/C, was STOPPED..is not

> Chest " herxing " , cause no ABX, anti-pathogenic herbals are being

> utilized, WHAT IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH, does one do to deal with

> said " chest symptoms " , except REST..take Coenzyme Q/10, Fish Oil???

> This person has had CFS/ME for 34 years...51 years if one goes all

the

> way back to MONO as a 2 year old.

>

> Anyone have any ideas?

>

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DEAR PENNY AND ALL,

DON'T WORRY!!! I am, not dead, yet...If I did not say, I mean't to

say that I had a " heart-failure-like " experience last October,

2005...look at Rich's explanation on the CFSExperimental - to

sunscaper53in the last few weeks..

The salt, in a CFSME that is 34 years into CFS, maybe 51 years can

interact to produce the above..so I do want to warn others that this

can happen..but I was brought back to see if there will be an answer

for CFS/ME

I was not on anything, else, except Nutraceuticals and Salt...

Just so you know, I was a MENTAL HEALTH THERAPIST, and I have been

cleared of all psychological problems...I AM JUST ONE OF YOU!!!

Good Luck to us all,

Amelia

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> > If one has developed overt cardiac symptoms, after

> ingesting SALT/C to

> > just 4 grams, working up slowly...like " heart-failure " ..and

> continues

> > to have chest-like symptoms, to a lesser degree than said heart

> > failure, nine months after said Salt/C, was STOPPED..is not

> > Chest " herxing " , cause no ABX, anti-pathogenic herbals are being

> > utilized, WHAT IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH, does one do to deal with

> > said " chest symptoms " , except REST..take Coenzyme Q/10, Fish

Oil???

> > This person has had CFS/ME for 34 years...51 years if one goes

all

> the

> > way back to MONO as a 2 year old.

> >

> > Anyone have any ideas?

> >

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We were just hypothesising on what else gets you symptoms. I think

the salt c may sound bad for your heart disease-BUT... the strange

type of dehydration, come low blood volume many of us suffer, may be

more the trigger behind the heart problems in the first place...So

blaming the salt C may not actually be right, or beneficial.

It's also fascinating how you developed your ilness whilst possably

working as a mental health therapist? On this forum we tie in the

mental health aspects of disease with the inflammation and infection

angle.

Reading Rich is nauseous for most of us because we are more from the

school of infectious causes of our ilness, as opposed to everything

coming from a low glutathione problem...Just about everyone on

cfsexperimental is suffering and describing some form of infection,

yet the golden one is all about the glutathione...And the ugliest

part about Rich and wanting to learn from the chronically ill, is the

lack of passion to get out amongst the patients to actually look at

them and there area's of complaint.I could just about pick someone at

the supermarket checkouts and see there battles with high

inflammation/eye problems/ and all the tell tale signs of these

diseases.

tony

> > > If one has developed overt cardiac symptoms, after

> > ingesting SALT/C to

> > > just 4 grams, working up slowly...like " heart-failure " ..and

> > continues

> > > to have chest-like symptoms, to a lesser degree than said heart

> > > failure, nine months after said Salt/C, was STOPPED..is not

> > > Chest " herxing " , cause no ABX, anti-pathogenic herbals are

being

> > > utilized, WHAT IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH, does one do to deal with

> > > said " chest symptoms " , except REST..take Coenzyme Q/10, Fish

> Oil???

> > > This person has had CFS/ME for 34 years...51 years if one goes

> all

> > the

> > > way back to MONO as a 2 year old.

> > >

> > > Anyone have any ideas?

> > >

> >

>

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I had composed a long response, but I lost it in cyberspace...I will

try, tommorrow...had to see my dentist, today!!

To good mental health...

Amelia

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> > > > If one has developed overt cardiac symptoms, after

> > > ingesting SALT/C to

> > > > just 4 grams, working up slowly...like " heart-failure " ..and

> > > continues

> > > > to have chest-like symptoms, to a lesser degree than said

heart

> > > > failure, nine months after said Salt/C, was STOPPED..is not

> > > > Chest " herxing " , cause no ABX, anti-pathogenic herbals are

> being

> > > > utilized, WHAT IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH, does one do to deal with

> > > > said " chest symptoms " , except REST..take Coenzyme Q/10, Fish

> > Oil???

> > > > This person has had CFS/ME for 34 years...51 years if one

goes

> > all

> > > the

> > > > way back to MONO as a 2 year old.

> > > >

> > > > Anyone have any ideas?

> > > >

> > >

> >

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An alternative diagnosis for someone with tachycardia, a heart rate

over 90- 100 is a HEART INFECTION!! Cheney is so out of touch with

reality and I'm afraid so is richy on experimental.They all try and

push and shove some freakin genetic predisposition into your line of

thinking.. Well I'm very pissed with there logic, when you had 1 in

100,000 kids turning up with autism, now you have something closer to

1 in 160 kids something sucks with the crap they are trying to put

across to me.I feel inflammation fueled ilnesses need to look closer

at what the pharmaceutical companies are feeding us, and being the

highest users of antibiotics in the world in the usa, aus, and

england, we are the ones carrying some freakin rediculous ammounts of

allergy/inflammation fueled problems.And all this stems from the one

size fits all approach shoved down our throats when we need therapies.

Imagine taking antibiotics and ending up with a bigger infection than

you started out with --No-one tells you this?

tony

> > > > > If one has developed overt cardiac symptoms,

after

> > > > ingesting SALT/C to

> > > > > just 4 grams, working up slowly...like " heart-failure " ..and

> > > > continues

> > > > > to have chest-like symptoms, to a lesser degree than said

> heart

> > > > > failure, nine months after said Salt/C, was STOPPED..is not

> > > > > Chest " herxing " , cause no ABX, anti-pathogenic herbals are

> > being

> > > > > utilized, WHAT IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH, does one do to deal

with

> > > > > said " chest symptoms " , except REST..take Coenzyme Q/10,

Fish

> > > Oil???

> > > > > This person has had CFS/ME for 34 years...51 years if one

> goes

> > > all

> > > > the

> > > > > way back to MONO as a 2 year old.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyone have any ideas?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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> > > > > > If one has developed overt cardiac symptoms,

> after

> > > > > ingesting SALT/C to

> > > > > > just 4 grams, working up slowly...like " heart-

failure " ..and

> > > > > continues

> > > > > > to have chest-like symptoms, to a lesser degree than said

> > heart

> > > > > > failure, nine months after said Salt/C, was STOPPED..is

not

> > > > > > Chest " herxing " , cause no ABX, anti-pathogenic herbals

are

> > > being

> > > > > > utilized, WHAT IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH, does one do to deal

> with

> > > > > > said " chest symptoms " , except REST..take Coenzyme Q/10,

> Fish

> > > > Oil???

> > > > > > This person has had CFS/ME for 34 years...51 years if one

> > goes

> > > > all

> > > > > the

> > > > > > way back to MONO as a 2 year old.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyone have any ideas?

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> Im

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It's not the individual's overuse of antibiotics. It's our medical "experts" MISUSE of antibiotics. Prescribing them haphazardly without identifying which organism they're treating, etc. Our food supply is rampant with antibiotics as well. Our health care system has done this to our society as a whole, not the other way around. A heart infection could be caused by all kinds of bugs. I also feel pretty confident that many of us have cardiac symptoms due to infected hearts, not faulty genetics. penny sunscaper53 <sunscaper53@...> wrote: > > > > > > If one has developed overt cardiac symptoms, > after > > > > > ingesting SALT/C to > > > > > > just 4 grams, working up slowly...like "heart-failure"..and > > > > > continues > > > > > > to have chest-like symptoms, to a lesser degree than said > > heart > > > > > > failure, nine months after said Salt/C, was STOPPED..is not > > > > > > Chest "herxing", cause no

ABX, anti-pathogenic herbals are > > > being > > > > > > utilized, WHAT IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH, does one do to deal > with > > > > > > said "chest symptoms", except REST..take Coenzyme Q/10, > Fish > > > > Oil??? > > > > > > This person has had CFS/ME for 34 years...51 years if one > > goes > > > > all > > > > > the > > > > > > way back to MONO as a 2 year old.> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone have any ideas?> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Im>

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> > > > > > > If one has developed overt cardiac symptoms,

> > after

> > > > > > ingesting SALT/C to

> > > > > > > just 4 grams, working up slowly...like " heart-

> failure " ..and

> > > > > > continues

> > > > > > > to have chest-like symptoms, to a lesser degree than

said

> > > heart

> > > > > > > failure, nine months after said Salt/C, was STOPPED..is

> not

> > > > > > > Chest " herxing " , cause no ABX, anti-pathogenic herbals

> are

> > > > being

> > > > > > > utilized, WHAT IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH, does one do to

deal

> > with

> > > > > > > said " chest symptoms " , except REST..take Coenzyme Q/10,

> > Fish

> > > > > Oil???

> > > > > > > This person has had CFS/ME for 34 years...51 years if

one

> > > goes

> > > > > all

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > way back to MONO as a 2 year old.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anyone have any ideas?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > Im

> >

>

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Very commonly strep and staph which are swarming all over you are the

major agenst of heart infection... These organisms are basically

called normal flora (good bacteria) and almost alway's the leading

bacteria in heart infections.

tony

> > > > > > > > If one has developed overt cardiac symptoms,

> > > after

> > > > > > > ingesting SALT/C to

> > > > > > > > just 4 grams, working up slowly...like " heart-

> > failure " ..and

> > > > > > > continues

> > > > > > > > to have chest-like symptoms, to a lesser degree than

> said

> > > > heart

> > > > > > > > failure, nine months after said Salt/C, was

STOPPED..is

> > not

> > > > > > > > Chest " herxing " , cause no ABX, anti-pathogenic

herbals

> > are

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > > utilized, WHAT IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH, does one do to

> deal

> > > with

> > > > > > > > said " chest symptoms " , except REST..take Coenzyme

Q/10,

> > > Fish

> > > > > > Oil???

> > > > > > > > This person has had CFS/ME for 34 years...51 years if

> one

> > > > goes

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > way back to MONO as a 2 year old.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Anyone have any ideas?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > Im

> > >

> >

>

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Definitely. It's why antibiotics are now used prophylactically to prevent heart damage during dental procedures. It's been proven that oral bacteria can damage the heart. Lots of info out there on the subject. penny sunscaper53 <sunscaper53@...> wrote: > > > > > > > If one has developed overt cardiac symptoms, > > after > > > > > > ingesting SALT/C to > > > > > > > just 4 grams, working up slowly...like "heart-> failure"..and > > > > > > continues > > > > > > > to have chest-like symptoms, to a lesser degree than said > > > heart > > > > > > > failure, nine months after said Salt/C, was STOPPED..is > not > > > > >

> > Chest "herxing", cause no ABX, anti-pathogenic herbals > are > > > > being > > > > > > > utilized, WHAT IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH, does one do to deal > > with > > > > > > > said "chest symptoms", except REST..take Coenzyme Q/10, > > Fish > > > > > Oil??? > > > > > > > This person has had CFS/ME for 34 years...51 years if one > > > goes > > > > > all > > > > > > the > > > > > > > way back to MONO as a 2 year old.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone have any ideas?> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > Im> >>

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Amelia,

Did you ever get checked to see if you have " mitral valve prolapse " ?

It's an irregular heartbeat, that supposedly can leave your heart open

to infection during dental visits unlees you take an antibiotic before

the exam.

> > > > > > > > If one has developed overt cardiac symptoms,

> > > after

> > > > > > > ingesting SALT/C to

> > > > > > > > just 4 grams, working up slowly...like " heart-

> > failure " ..and

> > > > > > > continues

> > > > > > > > to have chest-like symptoms, to a lesser degree than

> said

> > > > heart

> > > > > > > > failure, nine months after said Salt/C, was STOPPED..is

> > not

> > > > > > > > Chest " herxing " , cause no ABX, anti-pathogenic herbals

> > are

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > > utilized, WHAT IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH, does one do to

> deal

> > > with

> > > > > > > > said " chest symptoms " , except REST..take Coenzyme Q/10,

> > > Fish

> > > > > > Oil???

> > > > > > > > This person has had CFS/ME for 34 years...51 years if

> one

> > > > goes

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > way back to MONO as a 2 year old.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Anyone have any ideas?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > Im

> > >

> >

>

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