Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 For a few days now I have been experiencing what felt like an irregular heart beat. I stopped my Armour thyroid for a couple of days, but the heart symptom persisted. So I began trying to think if there was anything else I had added recently. There was - 200 mcg of selenium. I looked up what a too high dose of selenium would do and found this link: http://www.talkmedical.com/medical-dictionary/12806/Selenosis " Acute oral exposure to selenium compounds results in pulmonary edema and lesions of the lung; cardiovascular effects such as tachycardia; gastrointestinal effects including nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and abdominal pain; effects on the liver; and neurological effects such as aches, irritability, chills, and tremors. " I don't know if my symptoms are being caused by the selenium or not, but what I thought was a heart symptom actually makes me cough repeatedly - I guess an irregular heart rhythm would do the same. I would be interested in any thoughts on this. I also found were selenium might make more T3 from circulating T4, so I guess this actually could be a thyroid problem being created by the selenium. Adding selenium could make my Armour thyroid dose too high. a Carnes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 a, I would bet anything it’s the Armour. It will take WEEKS to rectify. Even if your TSH comes back within normal range, the T3 could very well be quite elevated which will easily cause PVC’s & other arrhythmia’s. You won’t notice any appreciable difference for several weeks but reduce Armour first & see what happens (and be patient). If you can easily access a T3 level, that would be beneficial as well. The Selenium can cause a reduced need for T3. Patrice From: infections [mailto:infections ] On Behalf Of pjeanneus Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:39 PM To: infections Subject: [infections] Selenium overdose? For a few days now I have been experiencing what felt like an irregular heart beat. I stopped my Armour thyroid for a couple of days, but the heart symptom persisted. So I began trying to think if there was anything else I had added recently. There was - 200 mcg of selenium. I looked up what a too high dose of selenium would do and found this link: http://www.talkmedical.com/medical-dictionary/12806/Selenosis " Acute oral exposure to selenium compounds results in pulmonary edema and lesions of the lung; cardiovascular effects such as tachycardia; gastrointestinal effects including nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and abdominal pain; effects on the liver; and neurological effects such as aches, irritability, chills, and tremors. " I don't know if my symptoms are being caused by the selenium or not, but what I thought was a heart symptom actually makes me cough repeatedly - I guess an irregular heart rhythm would do the same. I would be interested in any thoughts on this. I also found were selenium might make more T3 from circulating T4, so I guess this actually could be a thyroid problem being created by the selenium. Adding selenium could make my Armour thyroid dose too high. a Carnes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Patrice, Would you stop the Armour and stay on the selenium? Boy, my endo is going to be annoyed because I see him in about 2 months and lab tests will be meaningless???? a > > a, I would bet anything it's the Armour. It will take WEEKS to rectify. > Even if your TSH comes back within normal range, the T3 could very well be > quite elevated which will easily cause PVC's & other arrhythmia's. You > won't notice any appreciable difference for several weeks but reduce Armour > first & see what happens (and be patient). If you can easily access a T3 > level, that would be beneficial as well. The Selenium can cause a reduced > need for T3. Patrice > > > > _____ > > From: infections > [mailto:infections ] On Behalf Of pjeanneus > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:39 PM > infections > Subject: [infections] Selenium overdose? > > > > For a few days now I have been experiencing what felt like an > irregular heart beat. I stopped my Armour thyroid for a couple of > days, but the heart symptom persisted. > > So I began trying to think if there was anything else I had added > recently. There was - 200 mcg of selenium. I looked up what a too > high dose of selenium would do and found this link: > > http://www.talkmedi > <http://www.talkmedical.com/medical-dictionary/12806/Selenosis> > cal.com/medical-dictionary/12806/Selenosis > > " Acute oral exposure to selenium compounds results in pulmonary edema > and lesions of the lung; cardiovascular effects such as tachycardia; > gastrointestinal effects including nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and > abdominal pain; effects on the liver; and neurological effects such > as aches, irritability, chills, and tremors. " > > I don't know if my symptoms are being caused by the selenium or not, > but what I thought was a heart symptom actually makes me cough > repeatedly - I guess an irregular heart rhythm would do the same. > > I would be interested in any thoughts on this. I also found were > selenium might make more T3 from circulating T4, so I guess this > actually could be a thyroid problem being created by the selenium. > Adding selenium could make my Armour thyroid dose too high. > > a Carnes > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Makes sense to me. Gotta be careful with the selenium. My heart always gets scary wonky when my thyroid's off. And I cough, too. My big problem right now is that my TSH is high (low thryoid), but I can't take even 50% of my required thyroid dose without it making me feel wired at bedtime. Every single time I take even half a pill, I go to bed with what feels like restless body syndrome!?!? Arghhh. pennypjeanneus <pj7@...> wrote: For a few days now I have been experiencing what felt like an irregular heart beat. I stopped my Armour thyroid for a couple of days, but the heart symptom persisted. So I began trying to think if there was anything else I had added recently. There was - 200 mcg of selenium. I looked up what a too high dose of selenium would do and found this link:http://www.talkmedical.com/medical-dictionary/12806/Selenosis"Acute oral exposure to selenium compounds results in pulmonary edema and lesions of the lung; cardiovascular effects such as tachycardia; gastrointestinal effects including nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and abdominal pain; effects on the liver; and neurological effects such as aches, irritability, chills, and tremors. "I don't know if my symptoms are being caused by the selenium or not, but what I thought was a heart symptom actually makes me cough repeatedly - I guess an irregular heart rhythm would do the same.I would be interested in any thoughts on this. I also found were selenium might make more T3 from circulating T4, so I guess this actually could be a thyroid problem being created by the selenium. Adding selenium could make my Armour thyroid dose too high.a Carnes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Tony, My endo is the best. My thyroid and my tonsils are similar in size and consistency - small and normal appearing. I think my basic problem now is that whatever transfers T4 to active T3 does not work so well in me. I suspect the selenium started helping with that. I hope I can continue the selenium and reduce the Armour thyroid, but I am hesitant to do this until I see if stopping the selenium stops the heart palpitations. I am taking Recuperation and hope to increase this with more salt and more vitamin C - taking 1 gram a day now. a > > PAula > You can have your thyroid removed.. a friend had this done recently > and the thyroid looked like a rotten apple, half mush.I'm sure a > sprinkilinmg of salt more religiously makes more sense than most band > aid measures that your endo can come up with IMO. > tony > > > > > > > > > Patrice, > > Would you stop the Armour and stay on the selenium? Boy, my endo is > > going to be annoyed because I see him in about 2 months and lab > tests > > will be meaningless???? > > > > a > > > > > > a, I would bet anything it's the Armour. It will take WEEKS > to > > rectify. > > > Even if your TSH comes back within normal range, the T3 could > very > > well be > > > quite elevated which will easily cause PVC's & other > > arrhythmia's. You > > > won't notice any appreciable difference for several weeks but > > reduce Armour > > > first & see what happens (and be patient). If you can easily > > access a T3 > > > level, that would be beneficial as well. The Selenium can cause > a > > reduced > > > need for T3. Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 More food for thought. Copied and pasted from Rheumatic site: a, I rather doubt you’re taking in excessive doses of Selenium. Try reducing Armour X 3-4 weeks & heart palps will likely resolve. Patrice > > Thyroid Hormone Therapy Appears To Cause Breast Cancer > by Dr. Howenstine, MD > July 27, 2006 > NewsWithViews.com > > Medical journals and textbooks typically portray iodine as an > unimportant substance which should be taken in small amounts[1] because > of it's dangers. Actually approximately one third of humanity has iodine > deficiency. > > When humans lack iodine the thyroid gland enlarges (goiter), nodules > appear in the thyroid gland and over a period of time cancer may appear > in a thyroid nodule. Conventional medicine treats thyroid gland > enlargement with thyroid hormone without considering the possibility > that the hypothyroidism and goiter may be due to lack of iodine. This > failure to diagnose and treat iodine deficiency can lead to an increased > risk of breast cancer and the longer the diagnosis is missed the greater > the chance that breast cancer will occur. Women taking thyroid hormone > appear to be twice (12.1%) as likely to develop breast cancer as women > not using thyroid hormone (6..2%). Women who had taken thyroid hormone > for 15 years had a 19.5% incidence of breast cancer whereas women who > have only taken thyroid hormone for 5 years had only a 10% incidence of > breast cancer. Why is this? > > The essential trace element iodine may be the most important least > publicized mineral in existence. Iodine is the only element needed in > hormones and in the production of hormones. The iodine containing > hormones are involved in the creation of embryos, development of brain > function, growth, metabolism and maintenance of body temperature. This > means that proper amounts of thyroid hormone, estrogen, progesterone, > testosterone, insulin, growth hormone etc. can not be made when iodine > is lacking from the body. One third of all individuals on Earth are > functioning with subnormal levels of iodine. Low intake of iodine is the > leading cause for intellectual deficiency in the world. > > There is strong evidence that iodine lack predisposes to breast cancer. > One out of seven women in the U.S. has deficiency of iodine proven by > urine iodine screening tests (urine I less than 50 ug/L). This is the > same incidence for breast cancer seen in U.S. women. Without bothering > to check urine for iodine, physicians visited by a woman with a goiter > or symptoms of hypothyroidism are routinely prescribing thyroid hormone > therapy. > > Hintze et al[2] compared the results of 400ug/L of Iodine with 150ug of > T4 (synthyroid) for 8 months and then four months after stopping > therapy. The results clearly favored iodine therapy. Both treatments led > to similar suppression in the size of the goiter. However, four months > later the size of the thyroid had returned to pre-treatment levels in > the group treated with T4 hormone. The group who had received iodine > therapy continued to have normal sized thyroid glands four months after > therapy was stopped. Several investigators have concluded that iodine > lack is a probable cause for breast cancer in women.[3] [4] [5] [6] [7] > > Demographic studies in Japan and Iceland revealed that both countries > have a high intake of iodine and low incidences of goiter and breast > cancer. In Mexico and Thailand where iodine intake is low there is a > high incidence of goiter and breast cancer.[8] Thyroid gland size > measured by ultrasound is significantly larger[9] in Irish women with > breast cancer than control women. > > Administration of thyroid hormone to iodine deficient women appears to > increase the risk of developing breast cancer. In a group of women > undergoing screening mammograms the incidence of breast cancer[10] was > twice as high in the women taking thyroid hormone. for hypothyroidism > (probably caused by iodine lack) than in women not taking thyroid > supplements. The mean incidence was 6.2% in controls and 12.1% in women > on thyroid hormones. The incidence of breast cancer was twice as high in > women taking thyroid hormone for more than 15 years (19.5%) compared to > those on thyroid hormones for only 5 years (10%). > > In the state of Michigan, during a period of iodine supplementation in > bread (1924-1951) the prevalence of goiter diminished from 38.6% to > 1.4%. Of interest the incidence of breast cancer remained unchanged > during this time frame. This information was used to suggest that iodine > supplementation had no effect on the incidence of breast cancer. > However, Ghent and Eskin were able to show in women and female rats that > the amount of iodine needed to protect against fibrocystic disease of > the breast and breast cancer was at least 20 to 40 times greater[11] > than the iodine needed to control goiter. > > In the 1960s mandated iodine containing dough was equivalent to the RDA > of 150 ug per slice of bread. At that time the incidence of breast > cancer was only 1 in 20.[12] In the past 20 years the use of iodine > supplementation in bread was eliminated and a goiter producing substance > toxic to the thyroid gland (bromine) was introduced as replacement for > iodine. The risk for breast cancer is now 1 in 8 and this risk is > increasing by one percent[13] each year. The decision to replace iodine > in an iodine deficient population with a goitrogen was illogical lacking > in common sense. The damaging effects of bromine on thyroid tissue also > appears to contribute to the development of auto-immune diseases in the > thyroid gland (Hashimoto's thyroiditis). > > The mammary glands have a trapping system for iodine similar to that of > the thyroid gland. The breasts effectively compete with the thyroid > gland for ingested iodine. This distribution of iodine to both breast > and thyroid gland in pubertal girls explains why goiter is 6 times more > common in girls than pubertal boys. The disappearance of iodine into > breast tissue in women leads to decreased ability to supply the thyroid > gland with an adequate amount of iodine. The development of a goiter in > young girls indicates deficient distribution of iodine to both breast > and thyroid tissue. Treating such a patient with thyroid hormone is not > sensible and appears to increase the risk of breast cancer. > > Study of radioiodine uptake in normals and women with fibrocystic breast > disease FDB reveals that the FDB breasts were able to take in 12.5% of > the iodine dosage compared to only 6.9% in normal breasts. This proves > the existence of considerable iodine depletion in the breasts of women > with FDB. > > There is considerable evidence for an increased risk of thyroid cancer > as well as breast cancer in persons with iodine deficiency. Untreated > iodine deficiency leads to goiter, thyroid nodules and eventually some > of these nodules become malignant. The decreasing intake of iodine has > resulted in an increase in thyroid nodules and increase in thyroid > cancer. In 2001 there were 19,500 new cases of thyroid cancer in the > U.S. with 14,900 of these cases occurring in women. > > Iodine has a role in promoting general well being as well as protecting > against infections, degenerative diseases and cancer. Iodine promotes > the normal killing of defective and abnormal cells (apoptosis). Thus, > iodine helps the body's surveillance system to detect and remove > abnormal cells. Additionally, the presence of iodine triggers > differentiation away from the more dangerous undifferentiated type of > cell toward normal cells. The presence of adequate levels of iodine in > the body (Japanese diet with lots of sea vegetables and fish) reduces > reactive oxygen species (ROS). in the body which decreases the oxidative > burden in the body This results in slowing of degeneration disease > processes and decreasing the risk of cancer. > > Nearly every physician in the United States will reach for a > prescription pad to order thyroid hormone when he sees a patient with > goiter or symptoms of hypothyroidism. This can be exactly the wrong > thing to do if the patient has deficient stores of iodine. Insist on > obtaining a 24 hour urine collection for iodine to eliminate iodine lack > as the cause for your symptoms (values below 50 ug/liter are abnormal). > Thyroid hormone therapy in the presence of iodine deficiency increases > the risk of breast cancer and probably thyroid cancer as well. > Endocrinologist, Dr. Guy Abraham, formerly of the U.C..L.A. Department > of Endocrinology, is convinced that everyone needs to be on iodine > therapy until their iodine stores have been fully restored. After this > time frame periodic intake of iodine will help insure that the many body > functions requiring iodine run smoothly. > > A dosage of two tablets of Iodoral twice daily for three months followed > by one Iodoral tablet daily for a year will restore iodine stores for > most persons. At that point periodic taking of an Iodoral tablet daily > one month out of 4 to 6 months etc. will be adequate to maintain iodine > stores. Iodine stores can be easily monitored by taking 4 Iodoral > tablets (50 mg iodine) and collecting a 24 hour urine sample for iodine > content. If 80% of the ingested iodine is found in the urine collection > the iodine stores are normal. Iodoral can be obtained from Optimox Corp. > Torrance, Cal. To purchase a referral from a health care practitioner is > needed. > > Footnotes: > > 1, Abraham, Guy F. et al Orthoiodosupplementaion: Iodine Sufficiency Of > The Whole Body pg 1 > 2, Hintze, G. et al treatment of Endemic goiter due to iodine deficiency > with iodine, levothyroxine or both:results of a multicentre trial. > European Journal of Clinical Investigation, 19:527-534, 1989 > 3, Eskin B et al Mammary Gland Dysplasia in Iodine Deficiency JAMA , > 200:115-119. 1967 > 4, Eskin B Iodine and Mammary Gland Cancer Adv. Exp. Med. Biol., > 91:293-304, 1977 > 5, Ghent, W. et al Iodine Replacement in Fibrocystic disease of the > Breast Can. J. Surg. , 36:453-460, 1993 > 6, Eskin B. et al Different Tissue Responses for Iodine and Iodidein Rat > Thyroid and mammary Glands Biol. Trace Element Research 49:9-19, 1995 > 7, Derry , D Breast Cancer and Iodine Trafford Publishing, B.C. > , 92, 2001 > 8, Finley JW., Bogardus, G.M., Breast Cancer and Thyroid Disease Quart. > Review Surg. Obstet. Gyn. 17:139-147, 1960 > 9, Smtyhe, P. , Thyroid Disease and Breast Cancer J. Endo. Int. , > 16:396-401, 1993 > 10, Ghandrakant, C. et al Breast Cancer Relationship to Thyroid > Supplements for hypothyroidism JAMA, 238:1124, 1976 > 11, Backwinkel, K., , A.S. Some Fearures of breast Cancer and > Thyroid Deficiency Cancer17:1174-1176 , 1964 > 12, Epstein, S.S., Sherman, D. Breast Cancer Prevention Program > Macmillan , NY. 1998 pg 5 > 13, Ibid > > © 2006 Dr. Howenstine - > > Dr. A. Howenstine is a board certified specialist in internal > medicine who spent 34 years caring for office and hospital patients. > After 4 years of personal study he became convinced that natural > products are safer, more effective, and less expensive than > pharmaceutical drugs. > > This research led to the publication of his book A Physicians Guide To > Natural Health Products That Work. Information about these products and > his book can be obtained from amazon.com and at > www.naturalhealthteam.com and phone 1-800-416-2806 U.S. Dr. Howenstine > can be reached by mail at Dr. Howenstine, C/O Remarsa USA SB 37, > P.O. Box 25292, Miami, Fl. 33102-5292. > > E-Mail: dr.jimhowgmail > > http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james47.htm > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.4/402 - Release Date: 7/27/2006 From: infections [mailto:infections ] On Behalf Of pjeanneus Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 12:57 PM infections Subject: [infections] Re: Selenium overdose? Tony, My endo is the best. My thyroid and my tonsils are similar in size and consistency - small and normal appearing. I think my basic problem now is that whatever transfers T4 to active T3 does not work so well in me. I suspect the selenium started helping with that. I hope I can continue the selenium and reduce the Armour thyroid, but I am hesitant to do this until I see if stopping the selenium stops the heart palpitations. I am taking Recuperation and hope to increase this with more salt and more vitamin C - taking 1 gram a day now. a > > PAula > You can have your thyroid removed.. a friend had this done recently > and the thyroid looked like a rotten apple, half mush.I'm sure a > sprinkilinmg of salt more religiously makes more sense than most band > aid measures that your endo can come up with IMO. > tony > > > > > > > > > Patrice, > > Would you stop the Armour and stay on the selenium? Boy, my endo is > > going to be annoyed because I see him in about 2 months and lab > tests > > will be meaningless???? > > > > a > > > > > > a, I would bet anything it's the Armour. It will take WEEKS > to > > rectify. > > > Even if your TSH comes back within normal range, the T3 could > very > > well be > > > quite elevated which will easily cause PVC's & other > > arrhythmia's. You > > > won't notice any appreciable difference for several weeks but > > reduce Armour > > > first & see what happens (and be patient). If you can easily > > access a T3 > > > level, that would be beneficial as well. The Selenium can cause > a > > reduced > > > need for T3. Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 > a, I rather doubt you're taking in excessive doses of Selenium. Try > reducing Armour X 3-4 weeks & heart palps will likely resolve. Patrice Patrice, This is what I decided to do. I will lower my Armour thyroid dose from 90 mg/60 mg every other day to 60 mg every day. Then I will take 200 mcg of selenium twice a week. If the heart symptoms stop by the end of this week I will increase the selenium by one pill each week until symptoms return or until I am taking 200 mcg every other day. What do you think? a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 It’s a little bit tough doing this w/o a free T3 level, but I’ve even seen patients who had T3’s within normal limits who still had arrythmia’s until they got their Armour substantially reduced. 90mg is a hefty dose of Armour. Since I don’t know your history, I’m merely speaking from a hunch, but I’m guessing you may not appreciate much difference in your PVC’s until the dosage is reduced more significantly. How often do you feel a PVC? If it’s more than 60 per 24 hours, that is criteria for a heart ECHO just to rule out any underlying heart issues. However, statistically speaking, it’s still probably the Armour. Some people are just very sensitive to it & it takes a LONG time to get therapeutic with it & then once you are therapeutic, you can go over the edge quickly. You might want to substitute plain T4 (Synthroid) until your heart straightens out & then re-introduce Armour slowly. Does the Armour make you tachycardic? From: infections [mailto:infections ] On Behalf Of pjeanneus Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:54 PM infections Subject: [infections] Re: Selenium overdose? > a, I rather doubt you're taking in excessive doses of Selenium. Try > reducing Armour X 3-4 weeks & heart palps will likely resolve. Patrice Patrice, This is what I decided to do. I will lower my Armour thyroid dose from 90 mg/60 mg every other day to 60 mg every day. Then I will take 200 mcg of selenium twice a week. If the heart symptoms stop by the end of this week I will increase the selenium by one pill each week until symptoms return or until I am taking 200 mcg every other day. What do you think? a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Patrice, I always have a free T 3 level done. When my endo raised the dose it was low normal range. I just don't want to go back to the doctor. I don't feel one PVC, rather I get a spell where there are several in a row and I start coughing. This generally happens late afternoon or early evening. The rest of the day I am fine. If lowering the Armour to the dose I had been on for a couple of years and spacing out the selenium doesn't help I will call the doc. Heart was fine 3 years ago. I should go back, but hate to. I have a depressed st segment - probably the Lyme - have had it 20 years - again - I am tired of them running tests up the wazoo including angiograms showing my arteries are excellent. I'm just getting too old for this!!!! There should be a point where a person is just allowed to be. a > > It's a little bit tough doing this w/o a free T3 level, but I've even seen > patients who had T3's within normal limits who still had arrythmia's until > they got their Armour substantially reduced. 90mg is a hefty dose of > Armour. Since I don't know your history, I'm merely speaking from a hunch, > but I'm guessing you may not appreciate much difference in your PVC's until > the dosage is reduced more significantly. How often do you feel a PVC? If > it's more than 60 per 24 hours, that is criteria for a heart ECHO just to > rule out any underlying heart issues. However, statistically speaking, it's > still probably the Armour. Some people are just very sensitive to it & it > takes a LONG time to get therapeutic with it & then once you are > therapeutic, you can go over the edge quickly. You might want to substitute > plain T4 (Synthroid) until your heart straightens out & then re- introduce > Armour slowly. Does the Armour make you tachycardic? > > > > > > > > _____ > > From: infections > [mailto:infections ] On Behalf Of pjeanneus > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:54 PM > infections > Subject: [infections] Re: Selenium overdose? > > > > > > a, I rather doubt you're taking in excessive doses of Selenium. > Try > > reducing Armour X 3-4 weeks & heart palps will likely resolve. > Patrice > > Patrice, > This is what I decided to do. I will lower my Armour thyroid dose from > 90 mg/60 mg every other day to 60 mg every day. > > Then I will take 200 mcg of selenium twice a week. If the heart > symptoms stop by the end of this week I will increase the selenium by > one pill each week until symptoms return or until I am taking 200 mcg > every other day. > > What do you think? > > a > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Sounds like a good plan. I get sick of going to the Dr. too…….sometimes feels like a full time job. If you’re heart spells are not that frequent, your plan sounds prudent. However, if you’re having bigeminy or trigemini (more than 1 PVC in a row), you might need to wear a holter monitor for more diagnostic value. But an occasional spell is not that worrisome. Reduce as you have planned & see how it goes. Patrice From: infections [mailto:infections ] On Behalf Of pjeanneus Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:00 PM infections Subject: [infections] Re: Selenium overdose? Patrice, I always have a free T 3 level done. When my endo raised the dose it was low normal range. I just don't want to go back to the doctor. I don't feel one PVC, rather I get a spell where there are several in a row and I start coughing. This generally happens late afternoon or early evening. The rest of the day I am fine. If lowering the Armour to the dose I had been on for a couple of years and spacing out the selenium doesn't help I will call the doc. Heart was fine 3 years ago. I should go back, but hate to. I have a depressed st segment - probably the Lyme - have had it 20 years - again - I am tired of them running tests up the wazoo including angiograms showing my arteries are excellent. I'm just getting too old for this!!!! There should be a point where a person is just allowed to be. a > > It's a little bit tough doing this w/o a free T3 level, but I've even seen > patients who had T3's within normal limits who still had arrythmia's until > they got their Armour substantially reduced. 90mg is a hefty dose of > Armour. Since I don't know your history, I'm merely speaking from a hunch, > but I'm guessing you may not appreciate much difference in your PVC's until > the dosage is reduced more significantly. How often do you feel a PVC? If > it's more than 60 per 24 hours, that is criteria for a heart ECHO just to > rule out any underlying heart issues. However, statistically speaking, it's > still probably the Armour. Some people are just very sensitive to it & it > takes a LONG time to get therapeutic with it & then once you are > therapeutic, you can go over the edge quickly. You might want to substitute > plain T4 (Synthroid) until your heart straightens out & then re- introduce > Armour slowly. Does the Armour make you tachycardic? > > > > > > > > _____ > > From: infections > [mailto:infections ] On Behalf Of pjeanneus > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:54 PM > infections > Subject: [infections] Re: Selenium overdose? > > > > > > a, I rather doubt you're taking in excessive doses of Selenium. > Try > > reducing Armour X 3-4 weeks & heart palps will likely resolve. > Patrice > > Patrice, > This is what I decided to do. I will lower my Armour thyroid dose from > 90 mg/60 mg every other day to 60 mg every day. > > Then I will take 200 mcg of selenium twice a week. If the heart > symptoms stop by the end of this week I will increase the selenium by > one pill each week until symptoms return or until I am taking 200 mcg > every other day. > > What do you think? > > a > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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