Guest guest Posted September 14, 1998 Report Share Posted September 14, 1998 Regarding PPS and the Medicare 5 day assessment, please refer to the HCA Provider Reimbursement Manual, Part 1, where it addresses reporting minutes of therapy in Section T: " ....in the case of a Medicare 5 day assessment, the clinician captures minutes of therapy that are anticipated for the patient during the first 15 days of his nursing home stay. This makes it possible for the patient to classify into the appropriate RUG rehabilitation group based on his anticipated receipt of rehabilitation therapy when the assessment is done during the first few days of the SNF stay and there has not been enough time to provide more than the beginning of a course of rehabilitative therapy. The RUG grouper takes into consideration both the days and minutes expected to be received in the first 15 days of the stay. " (Except, I have heard, in the cases of Ultra High and Very High RUGs. Anticipated is not used.) This is how the SNF will be reimbursed -- hence PROSPECTIVE payment system. It is also my understanding the 3 grace days during the 5 day assessment are just that, grace days. I understand FIs will consider review/audits when an MDS is continually late (i.e., after day 8). Also, Ive heard that FIs will review/audit when a SNF has a high volume of Ultra High and Very High RUGs patients. I also attended quite a few seminars regarding PPS and constantly heard that therapy will be required 7 days a week. For the two months that we have been providing therapy in 12 PPS SNFs, that has happened, maybe, once or twice. Mostly because the SNF thinks the eval must be done on the first day of admission. If you read the Federal Register, page 26265, referring to Section T of the MDS, they state, " As rehabilitation services often are not initiated until after the first MDS assessment's observation period ends, we believe that allowing the patient time for transition is appropriate. " I would think if HCFA was expecting 7 day a week therapy, they would have required it at least in some of their minimum requirements of the RUGS groups. Anybody else have any other interpretations? Would love to hear what you have heard. Kathy Shields Professional Therapy Providers St. Louis, Missouri ______________________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 1998 Report Share Posted September 14, 1998 In a message dated 98-09-14 11:18:44 EDT, you write: << I would think if HCFA was expecting 7 day a week therapy, they would have required it at least in some of their minimum requirements of the RUGS groups. Anybody else have any other interpretations? Would love to hear what you have heard. Kathy Shields >> Kathy Excellent post with specific references - Very useful. Thanks Kovacek ______________________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 1998 Report Share Posted September 17, 1998 Carol, >Do you include ALL staff in that .441 factor, or just PT's, PTA's, and techs who > are generating billable units? EVERYONE is included ==> therapists, PTA's, techs, clerical, administrative. Mark Dwyer, MHA, PT Kansas City, Kansas mdwyer1@... ______________________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 1998 Report Share Posted September 17, 1998 Moira, >Re: the speech therapy, we've found a way to equate " relative value >units " to the " procedures in speech therapy which are close to the " average " >time units which would be spent on the procedure. This has allowed us to >continue tracking " productivity " ......It is also built into the " billing " >system. That makes sense and is something that I would like to do, but cannot as long as we remain a Columbia hospital. That is probably going to change in the next few weeks, so we will see if our productivity changes and allows for more flexibility in light of the CPT changes. Mark Dwyer, MHA, PT Kansas City, Kansas mdwyer1@... ______________________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 1998 Report Share Posted October 19, 1998 Todd: In response to your query re: productivity, you may want to consider the following: a. USE OF A MULTIPLIER When using a multiplier (examples given were .44 to about .52/procedure; I'll use .50 for the example) you are actually calculating time allotted for all paid personnel to provide one unit of therapy which is generally a 15 minute procedure. In this example, you would be allocated .50 hrs of paid time to provide one 15 minute procedure. This paid time generally includes ALL support staff, managers, secretarial staff, etc. in the department and since it is paid time any benefit hours paid out during the time period being examined. The advantages of this system are: 1. you can easily do the calculation from billed procedures - the assumption is that a certain amount of educational and paperwork time are built into the calculation - and do not have to keep additional manual tracking systems if you are billing on 15 minute units or simple procedures; hours paid is also usually available from payroll without manual support 2. many hospitals and chains use this system and so there is some comparative data out there 3. you can pick and choose what types/levels of staff you are using as the multiplier does not take into account skill mix. The disadvantages are: 1. #3 above; there is certainly a tendency if you are counting FTE's (and this is essentially what this system does) that you will use the highest skilled people so that you are not caught unable to provide the appropriate level of service 2. it is difficult to compare apples to apples: certainly skill mix and time for each patient is different in various settings (acute, skilled, outpatient) and there do not seem to be good standards that look at acuity 3. by having a standard that counts hours there is less liklihood of appropriate skill mix which may be a better way to achieve cost effective treatment - example: if you look at " cost " to provide treatment rather than hours worked, you can provide 8 units of treatment in a given time frame with 2 therapists or with one therapist and one assistant - the second scenario will give you a lower cost for the same units; the multiplier does not account for this. b. USING A %AGE OF TIME BILLED PER PROVIDER While this sounds reasonable it works best only when you have very minimal support staff since it does not account for the time spent by support staff. Example: Therapists and Assistants might track their billed time but this could be highly variable if technicians transport patients versus treatments given bedside; also inpatient versus outpatient, rehab versus acute. Again it is very difficult to compare apples to apples. ================================= A THIRD OPTION HAS NOT HAD MUCH DISCUSSION ON THE LIST BUT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE An alternative way to look at this problem would be to look at the COST TO PROVIDE THE CARE. This has some advantages in that it allows skill mix when it is appropriate, accounts for ancillary personnel and their use, and gives us a mechanism that takes care of some of the variables. (There would still be and expected higher cost with higher acuity patients.) I have been able to achieve higher allocated multipliers in some situations by doing the math and proving that FTE's alone (which is what the mulitiplier really is) are not necessarily the only way to control costs. I actually did a skill mix example using teams of therapists, assistants, and techs as compared to a staff of primarily therapists and was able to increase our allocation/standard/multiplier by about 30% (if you count hours paid only) but decrease costs by 10-12%..... Be careful how you present this. You may end up changing skill mix with your current standard and thus reducing quailty along with cost and FTE's if your management does not recognize quality as a factor. That is certainly not the goal of this argument. Good Luck.... Hope this helps Angie Images@... RR8, Box 22-13 407 South Shore Drive Amarillo, TX 79118 At 03:26 PM 10/19/98 -0500, you wrote: >A recent question was posed regarding tracking productivity. Some respoded by describing a system in which a " target multiplier " was used. Others used a percentage figure based on billed units vs. total worked hours. Does one system have advantages over the other? Why use a multiplier? Is there any practice specific standards in place? Our accounting department recently did a survey of 250 Primier hospitals to compare productivity. They looked at visits and procedures per worked FTE's. I need some information to discuss this issue with them. They grouped IP, OP, Trainers, ancillary and receptionist staff into this report. I would appreciate any information you may have. >Thanks >T > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Todd Cepica, P.T. >Assistant Director >Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation >University Medical Center >Lubbock, Tx 79417 >Ph: Fax: >ntc@... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 1998 Report Share Posted October 20, 1998 Angie Thanks so much for your valuable input! T ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Todd Cepica, P.T. Assistant Director Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation University Medical Center Lubbock, Tx 79417 Ph: Fax: ntc@... Re: Productivity Todd: In response to your query re: productivity, you may want to consider the following: a. USE OF A MULTIPLIER When using a multiplier (examples given were .44 to about .52/procedure; I'll use .50 for the example) you are actually calculating time allotted for all paid personnel to provide one unit of therapy which is generally a 15 minute procedure. In this example, you would be allocated .50 hrs of paid time to provide one 15 minute procedure. This paid time generally includes ALL support staff, managers, secretarial staff, etc. in the department and since it is paid time any benefit hours paid out during the time period being examined. The advantages of this system are: 1. you can easily do the calculation from billed procedures - the assumption is that a certain amount of educational and paperwork time are built into the calculation - and do not have to keep additional manual tracking systems if you are billing on 15 minute units or simple procedures; hours paid is also usually available from payroll without manual support 2. many hospitals and chains use this system and so there is some comparative data out there 3. you can pick and choose what types/levels of staff you are using as the multiplier does not take into account skill mix. The disadvantages are: 1. #3 above; there is certainly a tendency if you are counting FTE's (and this is essentially what this system does) that you will use the highest skilled people so that you are not caught unable to provide the appropriate level of service 2. it is difficult to compare apples to apples: certainly skill mix and time for each patient is different in various settings (acute, skilled, outpatient) and there do not seem to be good standards that look at acuity 3. by having a standard that counts hours there is less liklihood of appropriate skill mix which may be a better way to achieve cost effective treatment - example: if you look at " cost " to provide treatment rather than hours worked, you can provide 8 units of treatment in a given time frame with 2 therapists or with one therapist and one assistant - the second scenario will give you a lower cost for the same units; the multiplier does not account for this. b. USING A %AGE OF TIME BILLED PER PROVIDER While this sounds reasonable it works best only when you have very minimal support staff since it does not account for the time spent by support staff. Example: Therapists and Assistants might track their billed time but this could be highly variable if technicians transport patients versus treatments given bedside; also inpatient versus outpatient, rehab versus acute. Again it is very difficult to compare apples to apples. ================================= A THIRD OPTION HAS NOT HAD MUCH DISCUSSION ON THE LIST BUT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE An alternative way to look at this problem would be to look at the COST TO PROVIDE THE CARE. This has some advantages in that it allows skill mix when it is appropriate, accounts for ancillary personnel and their use, and gives us a mechanism that takes care of some of the variables. (There would still be and expected higher cost with higher acuity patients.) I have been able to achieve higher allocated multipliers in some situations by doing the math and proving that FTE's alone (which is what the mulitiplier really is) are not necessarily the only way to control costs. I actually did a skill mix example using teams of therapists, assistants, and techs as compared to a staff of primarily therapists and was able to increase our allocation/standard/multiplier by about 30% (if you count hours paid only) but decrease costs by 10-12%..... Be careful how you present this. You may end up changing skill mix with your current standard and thus reducing quailty along with cost and FTE's if your management does not recognize quality as a factor. That is certainly not the goal of this argument. Good Luck.... Hope this helps Angie Images@... RR8, Box 22-13 407 South Shore Drive Amarillo, TX 79118 At 03:26 PM 10/19/98 -0500, you wrote: >A recent question was posed regarding tracking productivity. Some respoded by describing a system in which a " target multiplier " was used. Others used a percentage figure based on billed units vs. total worked hours. Does one system have advantages over the other? Why use a multiplier? Is there any practice specific standards in place? Our accounting department recently did a survey of 250 Primier hospitals to compare productivity. They looked at visits and procedures per worked FTE's. I need some information to discuss this issue with them. They grouped IP, OP, Trainers, ancillary and receptionist staff into this report. I would appreciate any information you may have. >Thanks >T > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Todd Cepica, P.T. >Assistant Director >Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation >University Medical Center >Lubbock, Tx 79417 >Ph: Fax: >ntc@... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2X 2X 2X DOUBLE REWARDS POINTS! 2X 2X 2X Open a new NextCard Internet Visa account with a qualifying balance transfer and you'll earn DOUBLE Rewards points. Earn free airline tickets in half the time! Intro rates as low as 2.9% APR and NO annual fee! Apply Online NOW! http://ads./click/63/0/nextcard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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