Re: Re: Virus/diabetes and Fat Cells

[Guest guest]

Tony,

Would you expand on the “playing

sport” aspect of your illness? I couldn’t even walk across a field

the first two years I was sick and I had been swimming a mile every day prior

to my illness.

If I even stood up for twenty minutes I

was risking passing out and had to go to bed the rest of the day. I had classic

symptoms of chronic fatigue syndrome (which turned out to be classic symptoms

of Lyme disease) THAT IS WHY THE DISEASE IS CALLED FATIGUE. It is in inability

to exercise normally without crashing.

a

Penny

I, like the article, see the type of fat and the places it deposits

as something not to be taken lightely. Remember I have ben told I

had a fatty liver in my scans..I believe the fatty liver and an

infected liver are clsoely linked.I also gravitate towards needing

to be as close as possable to the height/ weight scales because it's

optimal for your cardio-vascular system and getting the most out of

therapies IMO.

I was also fortunate to loose a lot of weight early in the disease

due to eating habits(candida diet/nystatin) staying off the soda's

and playing sport heaps that gave me a euphoria of extremely good

health.At this point the knowledge of the festering oral infection

would have paid huge dividends.

[Guest guest]

It's fairly old news ..google "obesity bug" for more info

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of Barb PeckSent: 27 June 2006 18:21infections Subject: [infections] Re: Virus/diabetes and Fat Cells

Here's some more fuel for the fire of infection (or pathogens)at the root of un determined symptoms. This is from one of my horse lists specifically metabolically challenged horses (Insulin resistant, hypothyroid, and carb intolerant).BarbREFERENCED POSTS:--- In EquineCushings "Barb Peck" <egroups1bp@...>wrote:Re: The Fat Virus- I did a quick search on this virus, adenovirus 36, it's proper name isHuman adenovirus 36-39 (HAdV-36-39)).While some viruses are species specific, it appears that adenovirusescan cross species.Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdenovirusInfo on AD-36:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AD-36And CHECK THIS 2004 presentation- but I couldn't find the full text:Quote:Infection with Ad-36 suppresses the rat hypothalamo-pituitary-adrenalaxis (Sheba MohanKumar)END QUOTEAnd from reading a few- it does look to me like there's evidence thata virus can affect the fat cells.But there are plenty if you search PubMed..Here's a few:Int J Obes (Lond). 2006 May 2Viral mRNA expression but not DNA replication is required forlipogenic effect of human adenovirus Ad-36 in preadipocytes.Rathod M, Vangipuram SD, Krishnan B, Heydari AR, Holland TC,Dhurandhar NV.[1] 1Department of Nutrition and Food Science, Detroit, Michigan, USA[2] 2Department of Viruses and Obesity, Pennington BiomedicalResearch Center, Louisiana State University System, Baton Rouge, LA,USA.** WOuldn't surprise me in the least to find a pathogen at leastpartly responsible for ALOT of the idiopathic syndromes we have inhumans and animals.I'll research this one a little further to find out if adenovirusesare lipid coated- cuz if they are- there are some natural substancesthat damage lipid coated virus and bacteria.Good find!Barb--- In EquineCushings , "Judy Ryder" <iceryder@...>wrote:>> Does anyone have any thoughts on AD-36 and the fat virus? Is thispossible> in horses?>> http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html>>> Judy> http://iceryder.net> http://clickryder.com>>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tony,

I think it is much more complicated than

this or maybe not. I have had the tremor in my vocal cords for 15 years. IT has

gradually gotten worse. It seems to have no relation to any other throat

problems. Indeed, I have no throat problems now for 8 years.

The candida or thrust in my throat began

just after seeing the dentist, but the extreme fatigue set in after my throat

was sprayed with anesthetic. I used to have a bad reaction to injected

lidocaine at the dentist, but I never thought about how the throat spray might

also have a bad effect.

I have had most of my mercury amalgams

removed very carefully by an expert dentist – gas masks, breathing clear

air, huge plastic dam, etc. Supposedly this filling was not a mercury amalgam,

and he never uses lidocaine, but the vertigo set in the next day after the

filling.

There was an outbreak of inner ear viral

infection here during this timeframe, so the ENT thought that was the trigger

of the vertigo. However, then you have to wonder what set the thrush off?

Again, any ideas are welcome. I have taken

2 diflucan which help but I did relapse in 3 days on the first pill.

a

On a scientific note your inflammation starts in your

mouth even

though you avoid this tyoe of dicussion- and IMO disseminates to

high blood flow regions-genitalia (endometreosis anyone)-So the fact

that you had something flaring and are looking for the outocmes of

long term infection/inflammatio.... nodules on your vocal cords. It

would be wise for you to get more to grips with the types of

organisms that rot your teeth/are found in cysts and abscesses/ Also

you just cleaned up a tooth and the toxins are attacking your brain.

something we had a major pow wow with wallace about.Also the numbing

needles introduce more infection around the tooth/bone which also is

more mayhem IMO.

But stop, there's more- we'll go with the explanation everyoone

wants to gravitate towards- Hi a do you have amalgams - I think

your being mercury poisoned to your brainiac.If I could afford it I

would replace all my amalgams with the guy that wears the space suit

and charges fifty five thousand dollars.Then you should follow up

with goat weed/ sheeps milk and augment it with glutathione

suppositories to bind the mercury.

>

>

>

>

>

> Interesting:

>

> http://www.nydailyn

> <http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html>

> ews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html

>

> So many of us rapidly gained weight when we got sick, and a few of

us

> rapidly lost weight. One has to think this is apart from changes

in diet.

>

> In the past month I have had a very confusing and rather bizarre

change. I

> would be interested in any ideas of what is going on.

>

> I have been doing very well, taking Zithromax and Recuperation and

beginning

> to be able to walk and exercise.

>

> I went to an ENT and had him look at my vocal cords to rule out

having

> nodules causing a vibration so that I can no longer sing. He

sprayed my

> throat with an anesthetic and declared the vocal cords were okay.

Within one

> day I felt achy and fluish.

>

> Four days later I had an upper tooth filling replaced. The next

day in

> addition to the existing fluish symptoms I developed rather severe

vertigo.

> This vertigo has persisted now for 4 weeks.

>

> I started a new diet 3 weeks ago based on low calorie, high volume

diet and

> lost 7 pounds - this is unheard of for me in three weeks on any

diet. The

> third week I developed a servere case of thrush plus some red rash

as well.

> I got one diflucan. In the next 2 days I felt the thrush was

clearing and

> the vertigo was better. By day 3 I had to go back to the doctor as

I felt

> much worse and was running a 2 degree fever.

>

> He prescribed 3 more diflucans and clotrimazole troaches.

>

> But what is really going on? I haven't had thrush in 10 years. Do

you think

> the candida was in my inner ear or throat and the exam triggered

it? Or did

> the increase in carbs in the diet feed it? However, the vertigo

preceded the

> change in diet.

>

> Sorry this is so complicated, but any thoughts would be welcome.

Also, HOW

> THE HECK DO YOU TREAT THE CANDIDA?

>

> a

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, could also be borrelia except that I

have NEVER had this symptom ever in my life.

a

a

It's the mycoplasims IMO.

>

>

>

>

>

> Interesting:

>

> http://www.nydailyn

> <http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html>

> ews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html

>

> So many of us rapidly gained weight when we got sick, and a few of

us

> rapidly lost weight. One has to think this is apart from changes

in diet.

>

> In the past month I have had a very confusing and rather bizarre

change. I

> would be interested in any ideas of what is going on.

>

> I have been doing very well, taking Zithromax and Recuperation and

beginning

> to be able to walk and exercise.

>

> I went to an ENT and had him look at my vocal cords to rule out

having

> nodules causing a vibration so that I can no longer sing. He

sprayed my

> throat with an anesthetic and declared the vocal cords were okay.

Within one

> day I felt achy and fluish.

>

> Four days later I had an upper tooth filling replaced. The next

day in

> addition to the existing fluish symptoms I developed rather severe

vertigo.

> This vertigo has persisted now for 4 weeks.

>

> I started a new diet 3 weeks ago based on low calorie, high volume

diet and

> lost 7 pounds - this is unheard of for me in three weeks on any

diet. The

> third week I developed a servere case of thrush plus some red rash

as well.

> I got one diflucan. In the next 2 days I felt the thrush was

clearing and

> the vertigo was better. By day 3 I had to go back to the doctor as

I felt

> much worse and was running a 2 degree fever.

>

> He prescribed 3 more diflucans and clotrimazole troaches.

>

> But what is really going on? I haven't had thrush in 10 years. Do

you think

> the candida was in my inner ear or throat and the exam triggered

it? Or did

> the increase in carbs in the diet feed it? However, the vertigo

preceded the

> change in diet.

>

> Sorry this is so complicated, but any thoughts would be welcome.

Also, HOW

> THE HECK DO YOU TREAT THE CANDIDA?

>

> a

[Guest guest]

I think it was probably related to the dental

treatment which introduced a new bacteria or fungus

which may have travelled into your ear region. Dentist

offices are NOT clean or safe no matter how clean they

look, and your mouth is the most at risk place in your

body.

I developed a black fungal growth on my tongue once

AFTER having gone OFF I.V. antibiotics, along with

horrendous gas pains. Seems like it should be the

opposite, (that fungus should be worse while taking

abx), but when something changes in the bacterial

balance, fungus is a huge opportunist and will take

over wherever it can.

Since I was far away from home on vactaion at that

time, I had no access to antifungal drugs, so had to

improvise. I took nothing but charcoal (mainly for the

gas) and some probiotics and the furry tongue cleared

right up, as well as the gas.

Recently, I told my ENT, after my surgery that I felt

like I had an ear infection. She said my ear looked

fine, but when she went in with the scope, sure

enough, there was a plug of hardened mucous near the

ear drum. She took it out, and the ear improved

rapidly. I wouldn't be surprised if you contracted

some ordinary bug that's festering near your ear

somehow, resulting in vertigo.

Of course, it could be something else entirely, but

based on my experience, that would be my first guess

if it were me.

penny

--- dumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000@...>

wrote:

> a

> It's the mycoplasims IMO.

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Interesting:

> >

> > http://www.nydailyn

> >

>

<http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html>

> > ews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html

> >

> > So many of us rapidly gained weight when we got

> sick, and a few of

> us

> > rapidly lost weight. One has to think this is

> apart from changes

> in diet.

> >

> > In the past month I have had a very confusing and

> rather bizarre

> change. I

> > would be interested in any ideas of what is going

> on.

> >

> > I have been doing very well, taking Zithromax and

> Recuperation and

> beginning

> > to be able to walk and exercise.

> >

> > I went to an ENT and had him look at my vocal

> cords to rule out

> having

> > nodules causing a vibration so that I can no

> longer sing. He

> sprayed my

> > throat with an anesthetic and declared the vocal

> cords were okay.

> Within one

> > day I felt achy and fluish.

> >

> > Four days later I had an upper tooth filling

> replaced. The next

> day in

> > addition to the existing fluish symptoms I

> developed rather severe

> vertigo.

> > This vertigo has persisted now for 4 weeks.

> >

> > I started a new diet 3 weeks ago based on low

> calorie, high volume

> diet and

> > lost 7 pounds - this is unheard of for me in three

> weeks on any

> diet. The

> > third week I developed a servere case of thrush

> plus some red rash

> as well.

> > I got one diflucan. In the next 2 days I felt the

> thrush was

> clearing and

> > the vertigo was better. By day 3 I had to go back

> to the doctor as

> I felt

> > much worse and was running a 2 degree fever.

> >

> > He prescribed 3 more diflucans and clotrimazole

> troaches.

> >

> > But what is really going on? I haven't had thrush

> in 10 years. Do

> you think

> > the candida was in my inner ear or throat and the

> exam triggered

> it? Or did

> > the increase in carbs in the diet feed it?

> However, the vertigo

> preceded the

> > change in diet.

> >

> > Sorry this is so complicated, but any thoughts

> would be welcome.

> Also, HOW

> > THE HECK DO YOU TREAT THE CANDIDA?

> >

> > a

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not as much as the herxing or amalgam theories. ;-) pennydumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000@...> wrote: PennyYou obviously don't like the mycoplasims theory.--- > > > > It's the mycoplasims IMO.> > > > > > .

[Guest guest]

I don’t think it is mycoplasma

either, and probably is not borrelia in the inner ear. There was a virus going

around our city causing vertigo in everyone. In my case though the candidiasis

seems to be the major player. Did the anesthetic spray trigger this? Did the

dental work contribute? I don’t know.

A friend of mine told me about Essiac tea

a couple of weeks before this all started. Now I am finding that as soon as I

drink the stuff the feeling of yeast in my throat stops. I guess I should drink

the stuff faithfully for about 3 days.

a

Penny

You obviously don't like the mycoplasims theory.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Interesting:

> > >

> > > http://www.nydailyn

> > >

> >

> <http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html>

> > > ews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html

> > >

> > > So many of us rapidly gained weight when we got

> > sick, and a few of

> > us

> > > rapidly lost weight. One has to think this is

> > apart from changes

> > in diet.

> > >

> > > In the past month I have had a very confusing and

> > rather bizarre

> > change. I

> > > would be interested in any ideas of what is going

> > on.

> > >

> > > I have been doing very well, taking Zithromax and

> > Recuperation and

> > beginning

> > > to be able to walk and exercise.

> > >

> > > I went to an ENT and had him look at my vocal

> > cords to rule out

> > having

> > > nodules causing a vibration so that I can no

> > longer sing. He

> > sprayed my

> > > throat with an anesthetic and declared the vocal

> > cords were okay.

> > Within one

> > > day I felt achy and fluish.

> > >

> > > Four days later I had an upper tooth filling

> > replaced. The next

> > day in

> > > addition to the existing fluish symptoms I

> > developed rather severe

> > vertigo.

> > > This vertigo has persisted now for 4 weeks.

> > >

> > > I started a new diet 3 weeks ago based on low

> > calorie, high volume

> > diet and

> > > lost 7 pounds - this is unheard of for me in three

> > weeks on any

> > diet. The

> > > third week I developed a servere case of thrush

> > plus some red rash

> > as well.

> > > I got one diflucan. In the next 2 days I felt the

> > thrush was

> > clearing and

> > > the vertigo was better. By day 3 I had to go back

> > to the doctor as

> > I felt

> > > much worse and was running a 2 degree fever.

> > >

> > > He prescribed 3 more diflucans and clotrimazole

> > troaches.

> > >

> > > But what is really going on? I haven't had thrush

> > in 10 years. Do

> > you think

> > > the candida was in my inner ear or throat and the

> > exam triggered

> > it? Or did

> > > the increase in carbs in the diet feed it?

> > However, the vertigo

> > preceded the

> > > change in diet.

> > >

> > > Sorry this is so complicated, but any thoughts

> > would be welcome.

> > Also, HOW

> > > THE HECK DO YOU TREAT THE CANDIDA?

> > >

> > > a

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Tony, I appreciate that you are trying to

diagnose me, but I can’t even diagnose me.

Let me just explain that the vibration in

my throat started long before I ever got sick, 15 years ago. It is not a nerve

vibration. I know what those are like. This is a problem where my vocal cords

are not stable. If I try to sustain a note it will, on occasion, break down and

“warble.” I don’t know what else to call it. Over the past 15

years it has gotten so bad that I cannot depend on my voice to sing. My speech

is not affected. I am sure some people wish it was!

I had no throat soreness ever for 8 years

now. This is clearly some sort of infection with white creamy patches that can

be scraped away and then bleed. Look like a “duck” to me. Two docs

so far think so too.

The vertigo may be totally unrelated. And,

yes, there is no telling what the folks in town all have.

a

a

You do a good job convincing yourself there's a viral ear infection

going round(name the virus and get it swabbed) -the throat- shrunken

tonsils.... you must have thyroid problems- having voice box

problems is like par for the course.. I'm sure if anyone wanted to

scream loudly it would be painfull if you have cfs.plus the

vibration -buzzing is often highly associated with these infections,

most feel this buzz in the central nervous system- An old friend a

recent convert to lyme logic also complains of vibrating buzzing of

her infection.but hers is mainly in the spine of the neck region if

I can recall correctly.

I do believe that when you poke you get real surprises with these

ilnesses and nothing I repeat nothing is curled up in any corners

IMO...

a I suppose become a better detective if you have thrush make

sure that's what it is, it could be bacterial..I find pseudonomas

and candida feel identical.Plus the throat is so huge in bacterial

numbers your therapies are capable of promoting huge growths in this

region- regardless wether your therapy is killing or not, your

undermedicated in this particular region.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Interesting:

> >

> > http://www.nydailyn

> > <http://www.nydailyn

> <http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html>

> ews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html>

> > ews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html

> >

> > So many of us rapidly gained weight when we got sick, and a few

of

> us

> > rapidly lost weight. One has to think this is apart from changes

> in diet.

> >

> > In the past month I have had a very confusing and rather bizarre

> change. I

> > would be interested in any ideas of what is going on.

> >

> > I have been doing very well, taking Zithromax and Recuperation

and

> beginning

> > to be able to walk and exercise.

> >

> > I went to an ENT and had him look at my vocal cords to rule out

> having

> > nodules causing a vibration so that I can no longer sing. He

> sprayed my

> > throat with an anesthetic and declared the vocal cords were

okay.

> Within one

> > day I felt achy and fluish.

> >

> > Four days later I had an upper tooth filling replaced. The next

> day in

> > addition to the existing fluish symptoms I developed rather

severe

> vertigo.

> > This vertigo has persisted now for 4 weeks.

> >

> > I started a new diet 3 weeks ago based on low calorie, high

volume

> diet and

> > lost 7 pounds - this is unheard of for me in three weeks on any

> diet. The

> > third week I developed a servere case of thrush plus some red

rash

> as well.

> > I got one diflucan. In the next 2 days I felt the thrush was

> clearing and

> > the vertigo was better. By day 3 I had to go back to the doctor

as

> I felt

> > much worse and was running a 2 degree fever.

> >

> > He prescribed 3 more diflucans and clotrimazole troaches.

> >

> > But what is really going on? I haven't had thrush in 10 years.

Do

> you think

> > the candida was in my inner ear or throat and the exam triggered

> it? Or did

> > the increase in carbs in the diet feed it? However, the vertigo

> preceded the

> > change in diet.

> >

> > Sorry this is so complicated, but any thoughts would be welcome.

> Also, HOW

> > THE HECK DO YOU TREAT THE CANDIDA?

> >

> > a

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Quite possible, except I started getting

sick 4 days earlier after the throat exam. I actually wondered if the docs’

laser scope was contaminated and then add that to an anesthetic spray that may

have done something to my throat.

a

I think it was probably related to the dental

treatment which introduced a new bacteria or fungus

which may have travelled into your ear region. Dentist

offices are NOT clean or safe no matter how clean they

look, and your mouth is the most at risk place in your

body.

I developed a black fungal growth on my tongue once

AFTER having gone OFF I.V. antibiotics, along with

horrendous gas pains. Seems like it should be the

opposite, (that fungus should be worse while taking

abx), but when something changes in the bacterial

balance, fungus is a huge opportunist and will take

over wherever it can.

Since I was far away from home on vactaion at that

time, I had no access to antifungal drugs, so had to

improvise. I took nothing but charcoal (mainly for the

gas) and some probiotics and the furry tongue cleared

right up, as well as the gas.

Recently, I told my ENT, after my surgery that I felt

like I had an ear infection. She said my ear looked

fine, but when she went in with the scope, sure

enough, there was a plug of hardened mucous near the

ear drum. She took it out, and the ear improved

rapidly. I wouldn't be surprised if you contracted

some ordinary bug that's festering near your ear

somehow, resulting in vertigo.

Of course, it could be something else entirely, but

based on my experience, that would be my first guess

if it were me.

penny

--- dumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000 .au>

wrote:

> a

> It's the mycoplasims IMO.

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Interesting:

> >

> > http://www.nydailyn

> >

>

<http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html>

> > ews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html

> >

> > So many of us rapidly gained weight when we got

> sick, and a few of

> us

> > rapidly lost weight. One has to think this is

> apart from changes

> in diet.

> >

> > In the past month I have had a very confusing and

> rather bizarre

> change. I

> > would be interested in any ideas of what is going

> on.

> >

> > I have been doing very well, taking Zithromax and

> Recuperation and

> beginning

> > to be able to walk and exercise.

> >

> > I went to an ENT and had him look at my vocal

> cords to rule out

> having

> > nodules causing a vibration so that I can no

> longer sing. He

> sprayed my

> > throat with an anesthetic and declared the vocal

> cords were okay.

> Within one

> > day I felt achy and fluish.

> >

> > Four days later I had an upper tooth filling

> replaced. The next

> day in

> > addition to the existing fluish symptoms I

> developed rather severe

> vertigo.

> > This vertigo has persisted now for 4 weeks.

> >

> > I started a new diet 3 weeks ago based on low

> calorie, high volume

> diet and

> > lost 7 pounds - this is unheard of for me in three

> weeks on any

> diet. The

> > third week I developed a servere case of thrush

> plus some red rash

> as well.

> > I got one diflucan. In the next 2 days I felt the

> thrush was

> clearing and

> > the vertigo was better. By day 3 I had to go back

> to the doctor as

> I felt

> > much worse and was running a 2 degree fever.

> >

> > He prescribed 3 more diflucans and clotrimazole

> troaches.

> >

> > But what is really going on? I haven't had thrush

> in 10 years. Do

> you think

> > the candida was in my inner ear or throat and the

> exam triggered

> it? Or did

> > the increase in carbs in the diet feed it?

> However, the vertigo

> preceded the

> > change in diet.

> >

> > Sorry this is so complicated, but any thoughts

> would be welcome.

> Also, HOW

> > THE HECK DO YOU TREAT THE CANDIDA?

> >

> > a

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

a , yeast is a major player .This latest info gives an insight into how the yeasts invade ..Is your fungal infection a result of a down regulation of your IS by your bacterial infection or is your bacterial infection the result of a fungal infection down-regulatng your IS... that's the question ...I go for our sugar + bacterial antibiotics western diet giving the fungi the edge ..

Wisconsin Scientists Discover A Master Key To Microbes' Pathogenic Lifestyles

Article Date: 02 May 2006

For some microbes, the transformation from a benign lifestyle in the soil to that of a potentially deadly human pathogen is just a breath away. Inhaled into the lungs of a mammal, spores from a class of six related soil molds found around the world encounter a new, warmer environment. And as soon as they do, they rapidly shift gears and assume the guise of pathogenic yeast, causing such serious and sometimes deadly afflictions as blastomycosis and histoplasmosis. But how these usually bucolic fungi undergo such a transformation to become serious pathogens has always been a puzzle. Now, however, a team of scientists from the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health reports the discovery of a master molecular sensor embedded in the spores of the fungi that triggers the transformation. The finding is reported in the April 28 edition of the journal Science. The discovery could lead to new treatments, and possibly vaccines for the diseases caused by these Jekyll and Hyde microbes, says Bruce Klein, a UW-Madison professor of pediatrics, internal medicine and medical microbiology and immunology, and the senior author of the new study. "These microbes have to undergo an extreme makeover to survive in a host," says Klein, an authority on fungal diseases. "The million dollar question is was what controls this change? " Klein and colleagues C. Nemecek and Marcel Wuthrich identified a molecular sensor that is conserved in these six related dimorphic fungi found worldwide. The sensor, says Klein, is like an antenna situated in the membrane of the fungi's spores. It senses temperature, and when a spore finds itself at a comfortable 37 degrees Celsius, the body temperature of a human or other animal, it kick starts a genetic program that transforms the fungi into pathogenic yeasts. "This is a global regulator that sends signals down a molecular chain of command and governs a series of vital genetic programs," Klein explains. "It leads to changes in the organism's metabolism, cell shape, cell wall composition, and changes in virulence gene expressions." These changes, according to Klein, are really a survival program for the microbe, conferring resistance to the host's immune responses. The diseases caused by the fungi can be especially serious for immune compromised individuals, and some human populations seem to be more at risk for acquiring the infections. For example, U.S. soldiers who train in the American Southwest tend to be susceptible to coccidiomycosis because the organism that causes it is endemic to the region. One in three of those who train there acquire the disease, considered to be the second most common fungal infection in the United States. Of those infected, 25 percent contract pneumonia. Histoplasmosis, a disease caused by the fungus Histoplasma capsulatum, infects as much as 80 percent of the population where the organism is endemic, including much of the eastern and central United States. It is also widespread in South America and Africa. In most instances, the infection prompts only mild symptoms. Untreated, however, it can be fatal. What's more, the microbe can lay dormant in an infected host for years. "All of these organisms exhibit this property of latency," says Klein. "They can remain dormant until immune defenses are lowered. It's a significant medical problem in endemic regions." The discovery of the switch that governs dimorphism and virulence in this prevalent class of fungi provides a target for new therapeutic agents and might even help underpin a vaccine able to thwart infection entirely, according to Klein. "This could lead to therapeutics, better treatment for this class of diseases," Klein explains. "And with this finding, vaccines might now be possible. That's a strategy with promise." The discovery of a master switch in related but diverse and geographically widespread class of fungi is an indication that it was acquired from a common ancestor deep in evolutionary history. The feature is a common mechanism used by the different organisms to adapt to a new environment: the lungs of animals. "It is a story of how organisms are challenged in a new environment," says Klein. "They have to make themselves over so they can survive." ###

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of a CarnesSent: 28 June 2006 18:43infections Subject: RE: [infections] Re: Virus/diabetes and Fat Cells

I don’t think it is mycoplasma either, and probably is not borrelia in the inner ear. There was a virus going around our city causing vertigo in everyone. In my case though the candidiasis seems to be the major player. Did the anesthetic spray trigger this? Did the dental work contribute? I don’t know.

A friend of mine told me about Essiac tea a couple of weeks before this all started. Now I am finding that as soon as I drink the stuff the feeling of yeast in my throat stops. I guess I should drink the stuff faithfully for about 3 days.

a

PennyYou obviously don't like the mycoplasims theory.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting:> > > > > > http://www.nydailyn> > >> >> <http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html>> > > ews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html> > > > > > So many of us rapidly gained weight when we got> > sick, and a few of > > us> > > rapidly lost weight. One has to think this is> > apart from changes > > in diet.> > > > > > In the past month I have had a very confusing and> > rather bizarre > > change. I> > > would be interested in any ideas of what is going> > on.> > > > > > I have been doing very well, taking Zithromax and> > Recuperation and > > beginning> > > to be able to walk and exercise.> > > > > > I went to an ENT and had him look at my vocal> > cords to rule out > > having> > > nodules causing a vibration so that I can no> > longer sing. He > > sprayed my> > > throat with an anesthetic and declared the vocal> > cords were okay. > > Within one> > > day I felt achy and fluish.> > > > > > Four days later I had an upper tooth filling> > replaced. The next > > day in> > > addition to the existing fluish symptoms I> > developed rather severe > > vertigo.> > > This vertigo has persisted now for 4 weeks.> > > > > > I started a new diet 3 weeks ago based on low> > calorie, high volume > > diet and> > > lost 7 pounds - this is unheard of for me in three> > weeks on any > > diet. The> > > third week I developed a servere case of thrush> > plus some red rash > > as well.> > > I got one diflucan. In the next 2 days I felt the> > thrush was > > clearing and> > > the vertigo was better. By day 3 I had to go back> > to the doctor as > > I felt> > > much worse and was running a 2 degree fever. > > > > > > He prescribed 3 more diflucans and clotrimazole> > troaches.> > > > > > But what is really going on? I haven't had thrush> > in 10 years. Do > > you think> > > the candida was in my inner ear or throat and the> > exam triggered > > it? Or did> > > the increase in carbs in the diet feed it?> > However, the vertigo > > preceded the> > > change in diet.> > > > > > Sorry this is so complicated, but any thoughts> > would be welcome. > > Also, HOW> > > THE HECK DO YOU TREAT THE CANDIDA?> > > > > > a> > >> > > > > > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

It seems to me that you've had people tinkering around in your mouth/throat and now here you are with troubles manifesting in the same area. The existing bugs have probably been waiting for their opportunity to take off and adding some new or additional bugs from one or both of the exams tipped the scales in the bugs' favor. Of course there could be some more exotic answer, but seems like a pretty reasonable connection. That's what docs usually do, make the fairly obvious connections first. Except of course when it comes to microbes. In that case, docs seem to be stuck in the middle ages. The idea that something invisible could make you sick seems like blasphemy. This would be the most obvious time to go get some throat swabs and see what you've got growing, and demand that they not throw any bugs out as "contamination" or "normal flora". Anything that grows should be tested for abx

resistance, toxicity and susceptibilities. That can give you a much better idea of what's going on in there. penny a Carnes <pj7@...> wrote: Quite possible, except I started getting sick 4 days earlier after the throat

exam. I actually wondered if the docs’ laser scope was contaminated and then add that to an anesthetic spray that may have done something to my throat. a I think it was probably related to the dentaltreatment which introduced a new bacteria or funguswhich may have travelled into your ear region. Dentistoffices are NOT clean or safe no matter how clean theylook, and your mouth is the most at risk place in yourbody.I developed a black fungal growth on my tongue onceAFTER having gone OFF I.V.

antibiotics, along withhorrendous gas pains. Seems like it should be theopposite, (that fungus should be worse while takingabx), but when something changes in the bacterialbalance, fungus is a huge opportunist and will takeover wherever it can. Since I was far away from home on vactaion at thattime, I had no access to antifungal drugs, so had toimprovise. I took nothing but charcoal (mainly for thegas) and some probiotics and the furry tongue clearedright up, as well as the gas. Recently, I told my ENT, after my surgery that I feltlike I had an ear infection. She said my ear lookedfine, but when she went in with the scope, sureenough, there was a plug of hardened mucous near theear drum. She took it out, and the ear improvedrapidly. I wouldn't be surprised if you contractedsome ordinary bug that's festering near your earsomehow, resulting in vertigo.Of course, it could be something else

entirely, butbased on my experience, that would be my first guessif it were me.penny--- dumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000 .au>wrote:> a> It's the mycoplasims IMO.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Interesting:> > > > http://www.nydailyn> >><http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html>> > ews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html> > > > So many of us rapidly

gained weight when we got> sick, and a few of > us> > rapidly lost weight. One has to think this is> apart from changes > in diet.> > > > In the past month I have had a very confusing and> rather bizarre > change. I> > would be interested in any ideas of what is going> on.> > > > I have been doing very well, taking Zithromax and> Recuperation and > beginning> > to be able to walk and exercise.> > > > I went to an ENT and had him look at my vocal> cords to rule out > having> > nodules causing a vibration so that I can no> longer sing. He > sprayed my> > throat with an anesthetic and declared the vocal> cords were okay. > Within one> > day I felt achy and fluish.> > > > Four days later I had an upper tooth filling> replaced.

The next > day in> > addition to the existing fluish symptoms I> developed rather severe > vertigo.> > This vertigo has persisted now for 4 weeks.> > > > I started a new diet 3 weeks ago based on low> calorie, high volume > diet and> > lost 7 pounds - this is unheard of for me in three> weeks on any > diet. The> > third week I developed a servere case of thrush> plus some red rash > as well.> > I got one diflucan. In the next 2 days I felt the> thrush was > clearing and> > the vertigo was better. By day 3 I had to go back> to the doctor as > I felt> > much worse and was running a 2 degree fever. > > > > He prescribed 3 more diflucans and clotrimazole> troaches.> > > > But what is really going on? I haven't had thrush> in 10 years. Do >

you think> > the candida was in my inner ear or throat and the> exam triggered > it? Or did> > the increase in carbs in the diet feed it?> However, the vertigo > preceded the> > change in diet.> > > > Sorry this is so complicated, but any thoughts> would be welcome. > Also, HOW> > THE HECK DO YOU TREAT THE CANDIDA?> > > > a> >> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Penny,

Please instruct us HOW to request that anything that

grows should be tested for abx resistance, toxicity,

and suscetibliities without being dropped by these

doctors. All of my labs in this state from primary

phys. say normal flora growth. Doctors always say

....good news!....when I know from cultures in other

labs from other states that it is coag neg antibiotic

resistant staph which according to Mayo Clinic can be

pathogenic.

My son just cultured positive for coag neg. staph and

was not given any treatment. Was told that antibiotics

will only cause yeast to grow...(even though he is on

a fungal spray four times a day)

So far I only know two doctors in America that believe

that coag neg staph

needs to be treated..one in land and one

infectious disease doctor in GA. Seems like the rest

of American doctors do not treat which makes it

extremely difficult to get a program established to

lessen or end the colonization which seems to cause

all kinds of other symptoms.

I would love to tell my doctors what you stated but I

can't afford to seem arrogant and know more than they

do.

How do you do this exactly in your experience?

Christi

> It seems to me that you've had people tinkering

> around in your mouth/throat and now here you are

> with troubles manifesting in the same area. The

> existing bugs have probably been waiting for their

> opportunity to take off and adding some new or

> additional bugs from one or both of the exams tipped

> the scales in the bugs' favor. Of course there could

> be some more exotic answer, but seems like a pretty

> reasonable connection. That's what docs usually do,

> make the fairly obvious connections first. Except of

> course when it comes to microbes. In that case, docs

> seem to be stuck in the middle ages. The idea that

> something invisible could make you sick seems like

> blasphemy.

>

> This would be the most obvious time to go get some

> throat swabs and see what you've got growing, and

> demand that they not throw any bugs out as

> " contamination " or " normal flora " . Anything that

> grows should be tested for abx resistance, toxicity

> and susceptibilities. That can give you a much

> better idea of what's going on in there.

>

> penny

>

>

>

> a Carnes <pj7@...> wrote:

>

> Quite possible, except I started getting sick 4

> days earlier after the throat exam. I actually

> wondered if the docs’ laser scope was contaminated

> and then add that to an anesthetic spray that may

> have done something to my throat.

>

> a

> I think it was probably related to the

> dental

> treatment which introduced a new bacteria or fungus

> which may have travelled into your ear region.

> Dentist

> offices are NOT clean or safe no matter how clean

> they

> look, and your mouth is the most at risk place in

> your

> body.

>

> I developed a black fungal growth on my tongue once

> AFTER having gone OFF I.V. antibiotics, along with

> horrendous gas pains. Seems like it should be the

> opposite, (that fungus should be worse while taking

> abx), but when something changes in the bacterial

> balance, fungus is a huge opportunist and will take

> over wherever it can.

>

> Since I was far away from home on vactaion at that

> time, I had no access to antifungal drugs, so had to

> improvise. I took nothing but charcoal (mainly for

> the

> gas) and some probiotics and the furry tongue

> cleared

> right up, as well as the gas.

>

> Recently, I told my ENT, after my surgery that I

> felt

> like I had an ear infection. She said my ear looked

> fine, but when she went in with the scope, sure

> enough, there was a plug of hardened mucous near the

> ear drum. She took it out, and the ear improved

> rapidly. I wouldn't be surprised if you contracted

> some ordinary bug that's festering near your ear

> somehow, resulting in vertigo.

>

> Of course, it could be something else entirely, but

> based on my experience, that would be my first guess

> if it were me.

>

> penny

>

> --- dumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000@...>

> wrote:

>

> > a

> > It's the mycoplasims IMO.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Interesting:

> > >

> > > http://www.nydailyn

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html>

> > > ews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html

> > >

> > > So many of us rapidly gained weight when we got

> > sick, and a few of

> > us

> > > rapidly lost weight. One has to think this is

> > apart from changes

> > in diet.

> > >

> > > In the past month I have had a very confusing

> and

> > rather bizarre

> > change. I

> > > would be interested in any ideas of what is

> going

> > on.

> > >

> > > I have been doing very well, taking Zithromax

> and

> > Recuperation and

> > beginning

> > > to be able to walk and exercise.

> > >

> > > I went to an ENT and had him look at my vocal

> > cords to rule out

> > having

> > > nodules causing a vibration so that I can no

> > longer sing. He

> > sprayed my

> > > throat with an anesthetic and declared the vocal

> > cords were okay.

> > Within one

> > > day I felt achy and fluish.

> > >

> > > Four days later I had an upper tooth filling

> > replaced. The next

> > day in

> > > addition to the existing fluish symptoms I

> > developed rather severe

> > vertigo.

> > > This vertigo has persisted now for 4 weeks.

> > >

> > > I started a new diet 3 weeks ago based on low

> > calorie, high volume

> > diet and

> > > lost 7 pounds - this is unheard of for me in

> three

> > weeks on any

> > diet. The

> > > third week I developed a servere case of thrush

> > plus some red rash

> > as well.

> > > I got one diflucan. In the next 2 days I felt

> the

> > thrush was

> > clearing and

> > > the vertigo was better. By day 3 I had to go

> back

> > to the doctor as

> > I felt

> > > much worse and was running a 2 degree fever.

> > >

> > > He prescribed 3 more diflucans and clotrimazole

> > troaches.

> > >

> > > But what is really going on? I haven't had

> thrush

> > in 10 years. Do

> > you think

> > > the candida was in my inner ear or throat and

> the

> > exam triggered

> > it? Or did

> > > the increase in carbs in the diet feed it?

> > However, the vertigo

> > preceded the

> > > change in diet.

> > >

> > > Sorry this is so complicated, but any thoughts

> > would be welcome.

> > Also, HOW

> > > THE HECK DO YOU TREAT THE CANDIDA?

> > >

> > > a

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Penny,

The only thing that makes me question this

is that I cannot recall ever in my entire life having veritigo. Also the ENT

said he had other patients about this time with the same symptom. His

assumption is that we have a virus and it will take 6 weeks to clear.

This doesn’t really explain why I

then developed thrush. But it may well have been there and the virus has

affected the health of my immune system.

I just came home from seeing my endo. He

gave me a script for a nystatin mouthwash. My blood sugar level was quite

normal – that is good news because I was afraid I had developed diabetes.

As to getting pathogens grown, hey, I can’t

even get a doctor here to prescribe diflucan correctly. Las Vegas is the dark ages for medical care. You

can die here real fast if you don’t have a way to get to Los

Angeles or Phoenix.

a

It seems to me that you've had people tinkering around in your

mouth/throat and now here you are with troubles manifesting in

the same area. The existing bugs have probably been waiting for

their opportunity to take off and adding some new or additional bugs from one

or both of the exams tipped the scales in the bugs' favor. Of course there

could be some more exotic answer, but seems like a pretty reasonable

connection. That's what docs usually do, make the fairly obvious connections

first. Except of course when it comes to microbes. In that case, docs seem to

be stuck in the middle ages. The idea that something invisible could make you

sick seems like blasphemy.

This would be the most obvious time to go get some throat swabs and see

what you've got growing, and demand that they not throw any bugs out as

" contamination " or " normal flora " . Anything that grows

should be tested for abx resistance, toxicity and susceptibilities. That can

give you a much better idea of what's going on in there.

penny

a

Carnes <pj7@...> wrote:

Quite possible, except I started getting

sick 4 days earlier after the throat exam. I actually wondered if the

docs’ laser scope was contaminated and then add that to an anesthetic

spray that may have done something to my throat.

a

I think it was probably related to the dental

treatment which introduced a new bacteria or fungus

which may have travelled into your ear region. Dentist

offices are NOT clean or safe no matter how clean they

look, and your mouth is the most at risk place in your

body.

I developed a black fungal growth on my tongue once

AFTER having gone OFF I.V. antibiotics, along with

horrendous gas pains. Seems like it should be the

opposite, (that fungus should be worse while taking

abx), but when something changes in the bacterial

balance, fungus is a huge opportunist and will take

over wherever it can.

Since I was far away from home on vactaion at that

time, I had no access to antifungal drugs, so had to

improvise. I took nothing but charcoal (mainly for the

gas) and some probiotics and the furry tongue cleared

right up, as well as the gas.

Recently, I told my ENT, after my surgery that I felt

like I had an ear infection. She said my ear looked

fine, but when she went in with the scope, sure

enough, there was a plug of hardened mucous near the

ear drum. She took it out, and the ear improved

rapidly. I wouldn't be surprised if you contracted

some ordinary bug that's festering near your ear

somehow, resulting in vertigo.

Of course, it could be something else entirely, but

based on my experience, that would be my first guess

if it were me.

penny

--- dumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000 .au>

wrote:

> a

> It's the mycoplasims IMO.

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Interesting:

> >

> > http://www.nydailyn

> >

>

<http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html>

> > ews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html

> >

> > So many of us rapidly gained weight when we got

> sick, and a few of

> us

> > rapidly lost weight. One has to think this is

> apart from changes

> in diet.

> >

> > In the past month I have had a very confusing and

> rather bizarre

> change. I

> > would be interested in any ideas of what is going

> on.

> >

> > I have been doing very well, taking Zithromax and

> Recuperation and

> beginning

> > to be able to walk and exercise.

> >

> > I went to an ENT and had him look at my vocal

> cords to rule out

> having

> > nodules causing a vibration so that I can no

> longer sing. He

> sprayed my

> > throat with an anesthetic and declared the vocal

> cords were okay.

> Within one

> > day I felt achy and fluish.

> >

> > Four days later I had an upper tooth filling

> replaced. The next

> day in

> > addition to the existing fluish symptoms I

> developed rather severe

> vertigo.

> > This vertigo has persisted now for 4 weeks.

> >

> > I started a new diet 3 weeks ago based on low

> calorie, high volume

> diet and

> > lost 7 pounds - this is unheard of for me in three

> weeks on any

> diet. The

> > third week I developed a servere case of thrush

> plus some red rash

> as well.

> > I got one diflucan. In the next 2 days I felt the

> thrush was

> clearing and

> > the vertigo was better. By day 3 I had to go back

> to the doctor as

> I felt

> > much worse and was running a 2 degree fever.

> >

> > He prescribed 3 more diflucans and clotrimazole

> troaches.

> >

> > But what is really going on? I haven't had thrush

> in 10 years. Do

> you think

> > the candida was in my inner ear or throat and the

> exam triggered

> it? Or did

> > the increase in carbs in the diet feed it?

> However, the vertigo

> preceded the

> > change in diet.

> >

> > Sorry this is so complicated, but any thoughts

> would be welcome.

> Also, HOW

> > THE HECK DO YOU TREAT THE CANDIDA?

> >

> > a

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, sure it could be a virus, and just coincidental that the fungus appeared at the same time. That's the line docs usuallly give me, even though I don't find those kinds of coincidences all that logical. I like to connect the dots most of the time. The fact that you grew thrush easily seems to me that something happened throwing off your flora balance. I'm a big believer that my infection has affected my entire head and neck region, including my thyroid, throat, tonsils, sinuses, jaws, and continues to move right down my body into my shoulders. I think these areas are very susceptible, due to the accessiblity that bugs have to those areas. I also think my right knee was more susceptible to infection due to a repetitive stress injury resulting in an arthritic type symptom. Other people are susceptible in other areas, might be the gut for some, the pelvic region for others, the central nervous

system for others. Just all depends on your predisopositions and genetic weaknesses. But the head & neck, as far as I'm concerned are very, very vulnerable and make a great entry way for organisms to gain a hold. When you've got something obvious going on in that region, that's the time to get it checked out as thoroughly as possible. penny a Carnes <pj7@...> wrote: Penny, The only thing that makes me question this is that I cannot recall ever in my entire life having veritigo. Also the ENT said he had other patients about this time with the same symptom. His assumption is that we have a virus and it will take 6 weeks to clear. This doesn’t really explain why I then developed thrush. But it may well have been there and the virus has affected the health of my immune system. I just came home from seeing my endo. He gave me a script for a nystatin mouthwash. My blood sugar level was quite normal – that is good news because I was afraid I had developed diabetes. As to getting pathogens grown, hey, I can’t even get a doctor here to prescribe diflucan correctly. Las Vegas is the dark ages for medical care. You can die here real fast if you don’t have a way to get to Los Angeles or

Phoenix. a It seems to me that you've had people tinkering around in your mouth/throat and now here you are with troubles manifesting in the same area. The

existing bugs have probably been waiting for their opportunity to take off and adding some new or additional bugs from one or both of the exams tipped the scales in the bugs' favor. Of course there could be some more exotic answer, but seems like a pretty reasonable connection. That's what docs usually do, make the fairly obvious connections first. Except of course when it comes to microbes. In that case, docs seem to be stuck in the middle ages. The idea that something invisible could make you sick seems like blasphemy. This would be the most obvious time to go get some throat swabs and see what you've got growing, and demand that they not throw any bugs out as "contamination" or "normal flora".

Anything that grows should be tested for abx resistance, toxicity and susceptibilities. That can give you a much better idea of what's going on in there. penny a Carnes <pj7@...> wrote: Quite possible, except I started getting sick 4 days earlier after the throat exam. I actually wondered if the docs’ laser scope was contaminated and then add that to an anesthetic spray that may have done something to my throat. a I think it was probably related to the dentaltreatment which introduced a new bacteria or funguswhich may have travelled into your ear region. Dentistoffices are NOT clean or safe no matter how clean theylook, and your

mouth is the most at risk place in yourbody.I developed a black fungal growth on my tongue onceAFTER having gone OFF I.V. antibiotics, along withhorrendous gas pains. Seems like it should be theopposite, (that fungus should be worse while takingabx), but when something changes in the bacterialbalance, fungus is a huge opportunist and will takeover wherever it can. Since I was far away from home on vactaion at thattime, I had no access to antifungal drugs, so had toimprovise. I took nothing but charcoal (mainly for thegas) and some probiotics and the furry tongue clearedright up, as well as the gas. Recently, I told my ENT, after my surgery that I feltlike I had an ear infection. She said my ear lookedfine, but when she went in with the scope, sureenough, there was a plug of hardened mucous near theear drum. She took it out, and the ear improvedrapidly. I wouldn't be surprised if you

contractedsome ordinary bug that's festering near your earsomehow, resulting in vertigo.Of course, it could be something else entirely, butbased on my experience, that would be my first guessif it were me.penny--- dumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000 .au>wrote:> a> It's the mycoplasims IMO.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Interesting:> > > > http://www.nydailyn> >><http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html>> > ews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html> > > > So many of us rapidly gained weight when we got> sick, and a few of > us> > rapidly lost weight. One has to think this is> apart from changes > in diet.> > > > In the past month I have had a very confusing and> rather bizarre > change. I> > would be interested in any ideas of what is going> on.> > > > I have been doing very well, taking Zithromax and> Recuperation and > beginning> > to be able to walk and exercise.> > > > I went to an ENT and had him look at my vocal> cords to rule out > having> > nodules causing a vibration so that I can no> longer sing.

He > sprayed my> > throat with an anesthetic and declared the vocal> cords were okay. > Within one> > day I felt achy and fluish.> > > > Four days later I had an upper tooth filling> replaced. The next > day in> > addition to the existing fluish symptoms I> developed rather severe > vertigo.> > This vertigo has persisted now for 4 weeks.> > > > I started a new diet 3 weeks ago based on low> calorie, high volume > diet and> > lost 7 pounds - this is unheard of for me in three> weeks on any > diet. The> > third week I developed a servere case of thrush> plus some red rash > as well.> > I got one diflucan. In the next 2 days I felt the> thrush was > clearing and> > the vertigo was better. By day 3 I had to go back> to the doctor as > I

felt> > much worse and was running a 2 degree fever. > > > > He prescribed 3 more diflucans and clotrimazole> troaches.> > > > But what is really going on? I haven't had thrush> in 10 years. Do > you think> > the candida was in my inner ear or throat and the> exam triggered > it? Or did> > the increase in carbs in the diet feed it?> However, the vertigo > preceded the> > change in diet.> > > > Sorry this is so complicated, but any thoughts> would be welcome. > Also, HOW> > THE HECK DO YOU TREAT THE CANDIDA?> > > > a> >> > > > >

[Guest guest]

It's really difficult. There's no easy way through this. In my case It's taken me years to get anywhere at all. I just kept asking and looking until I finally found a doc who'd help. And it's still not easy. One of my docs died. The lab I liked was sold to Labcorp. My other doc will do anything I ask, but he can't really control the labs all that well. But whenever there's an open minded doc, and an opportunity to ask, we should. It's interesting because I do know people, some of whom I've encouraged to do this, who manage to find docs to do the tests fairly easily. Usually they've managed to get a dx that warrants the testing we need. Usually, these people have other nasty symptoms, minus the fatigue which makes it easier to pound the pavement. I've had to work hard researching docs that treat illnesses that make sense in my case and then get one to work with me. It's taken a lot of networking and

searching on the web. And because of my low energy levels when I'm relapsing, which is naturally when I'm most serious about getting better, it takes me 20 times longer to do things than it takes many of my friends. But I learn from their experiences even if I can't do everything they do. Recently I was doing really well for quite a few months. Finished two major sculpture projects. Then my sinus surgery set me back quite a bit. Flattened me actually. I'm finally starting back on an upswing and taking care of things I've let slide. As soon as I buy a new car, I'm going to Arizona to get good scans and then the rest of the process will start falling in place. If I have another surgery to remove my jaw infection, I know I should expect to be knocked on my butt for quite a while, as this is my pattern, so I have to plan my life around that probability. Naturally, when I'm feeling good like I'm beginning to now, I have to take care of

my life, restore some order, before allowing myself to get floored again. penny Christi Howarth <salzberglver3@...> wrote: Penny,Please instruct us HOW to request that anything thatgrows should be tested for abx resistance, toxicity,and suscetibliities without being dropped by thesedoctors. All of my labs in this state from primaryphys. say normal flora growth. Doctors always say...good news!....when I know from cultures in otherlabs from

other states that it is coag neg antibioticresistant staph which according to Mayo Clinic can bepathogenic. My son just cultured positive for coag neg. staph andwas not given any treatment. Was told that antibioticswill only cause yeast to grow...(even though he is ona fungal spray four times a day) So far I only know two doctors in America that believethat coag neg staph needs to be treated..one in land and oneinfectious disease doctor in GA. Seems like the restof American doctors do not treat which makes itextremely difficult to get a program established tolessen or end the colonization which seems to causeall kinds of other symptoms.I would love to tell my doctors what you stated but Ican't afford to seem arrogant and know more than theydo.How do you do this exactly in your experience?Christi > It seems to me that you've had people tinkering> around in your

mouth/throat and now here you are> with troubles manifesting in the same area. The> existing bugs have probably been waiting for their> opportunity to take off and adding some new or> additional bugs from one or both of the exams tipped> the scales in the bugs' favor. Of course there could> be some more exotic answer, but seems like a pretty> reasonable connection. That's what docs usually do,> make the fairly obvious connections first. Except of> course when it comes to microbes. In that case, docs> seem to be stuck in the middle ages. The idea that> something invisible could make you sick seems like> blasphemy. > > This would be the most obvious time to go get some> throat swabs and see what you've got growing, and> demand that they not throw any bugs out as> "contamination" or "normal flora". Anything that> grows should be tested for abx

resistance, toxicity> and susceptibilities. That can give you a much> better idea of what's going on in there.> > penny> > > > a Carnes <pj7@...> wrote:> > Quite possible, except I started getting sick 4> days earlier after the throat exam. I actually> wondered if the docs’ laser scope was contaminated> and then add that to an anesthetic spray that may> have done something to my throat.> > a> I think it was probably related to the> dental> treatment which introduced a new bacteria or fungus> which may have travelled into your ear region.> Dentist> offices are NOT clean or safe no matter how clean> they> look, and your mouth is the most at risk place in> your> body.> > I developed a black fungal growth on my tongue once>

AFTER having gone OFF I.V. antibiotics, along with> horrendous gas pains. Seems like it should be the> opposite, (that fungus should be worse while taking> abx), but when something changes in the bacterial> balance, fungus is a huge opportunist and will take> over wherever it can. > > Since I was far away from home on vactaion at that> time, I had no access to antifungal drugs, so had to> improvise. I took nothing but charcoal (mainly for> the> gas) and some probiotics and the furry tongue> cleared> right up, as well as the gas. > > Recently, I told my ENT, after my surgery that I> felt> like I had an ear infection. She said my ear looked> fine, but when she went in with the scope, sure> enough, there was a plug of hardened mucous near the> ear drum. She took it out, and the ear improved> rapidly. I wouldn't be surprised if you

contracted> some ordinary bug that's festering near your ear> somehow, resulting in vertigo.> > Of course, it could be something else entirely, but> based on my experience, that would be my first guess> if it were me.> > penny> > --- dumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000 .au>> wrote:> > > a> > It's the mycoplasims IMO.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting:> > > > > > http://www.nydailyn> > >>

>><http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html>> > > ews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html> > > > > > So many of us rapidly gained weight when we got> > sick, and a few of > > us> > > rapidly lost weight. One has to think this is> > apart from changes > > in diet.> > > > > > In the past month I have had a very confusing> and> > rather bizarre > > change. I> > > would be interested in any ideas of what is> going> > on.> > > > > > I have been doing very well, taking Zithromax> and> > Recuperation and > > beginning> > > to be able to walk and exercise.> > > > > > I went to an

ENT and had him look at my vocal> > cords to rule out > > having> > > nodules causing a vibration so that I can no> > longer sing. He > > sprayed my> > > throat with an anesthetic and declared the vocal> > cords were okay. > > Within one> > > day I felt achy and fluish.> > > > > > Four days later I had an upper tooth filling> > replaced. The next > > day in> > > addition to the existing fluish symptoms I> > developed rather severe > > vertigo.> > > This vertigo has persisted now for 4 weeks.> > > > > > I started a new diet 3 weeks ago based on low> > calorie, high volume > > diet and> > > lost 7 pounds - this is unheard of for me in> three> > weeks on any > > diet. The> > > third week I

developed a servere case of thrush> > plus some red rash > > as well.> > > I got one diflucan. In the next 2 days I felt> the> > thrush was > > clearing and> > > the vertigo was better. By day 3 I had to go> back> > to the doctor as > > I felt> > > much worse and was running a 2 degree fever. > > > > > > He prescribed 3 more diflucans and clotrimazole> > troaches.> > > > > > But what is really going on? I haven't had> thrush> > in 10 years. Do > > you think> > > the candida was in my inner ear or throat and> the> > exam triggered > > it? Or did> > > the increase in carbs in the diet feed it?> > However, the vertigo > > preceded the> > > change in diet.> > > > > >

Sorry this is so complicated, but any thoughts> > would be welcome. > > Also, HOW> > > THE HECK DO YOU TREAT THE CANDIDA?> > > > > > a> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I don’t think the fungus is a

coincidence. I think that the virus may have suppressed my immune system. Also,

I changed toothpaste and stopped doing a low carb diet at about the same time.

But, in any case, I just found out the

endo wrote the wrong prescription today – this is what I mean about

getting decent medical help. I can’t even get the right prescription let

alone someone who is going to culture whatever I have.

a

Well, sure it could be a virus, and just coincidental that the

fungus appeared at the same time. That's the line docs usuallly give me, even

though I don't find those kinds of coincidences all that logical. I like to

connect the dots most of the time. The fact that you grew thrush easily seems

to me that something happened throwing off your flora balance.

I'm a big believer that my infection has affected my entire head and

neck region, including my thyroid, throat, tonsils, sinuses, jaws, and

continues to move right down my body into my shoulders. I think these areas are

very susceptible, due to the accessiblity that bugs have to those

areas. I also think my right knee was more susceptible to infection due to

a repetitive stress injury resulting in an arthritic type symptom. Other people

are susceptible in other areas, might be the gut for some, the pelvic region

for others, the central nervous system for others. Just all depends

on your predisopositions and genetic weaknesses. But the head & neck, as

far as I'm concerned are very, very vulnerable and make a great entry way for

organisms to gain a hold. When you've got something obvious going on in that

region, that's the time to get it checked out as thoroughly as possible.

penny

a

Carnes <pj7@...> wrote:

Penny,

The only thing that makes me question this

is that I cannot recall ever in my entire life having veritigo. Also the ENT

said he had other patients about this time with the same symptom. His

assumption is that we have a virus and it will take 6 weeks to clear.

This doesn’t really explain

why I then developed thrush. But it may well have been there and the virus has

affected the health of my immune system.

I just came home from seeing my

endo. He gave me a script for a nystatin mouthwash. My blood sugar level was

quite normal – that is good news because I was afraid I had developed

diabetes.

As to getting pathogens grown, hey,

I can’t even get a doctor here to prescribe diflucan correctly. Las Vegas is

the dark ages for medical care. You can die here real fast if you don’t

have a way to get to Los Angeles or Phoenix.

a

It seems to me that you've had people tinkering around in your

mouth/throat and now here you are with troubles manifesting in

the same area. The existing bugs have probably been waiting for

their opportunity to take off and adding some new or additional bugs from one

or both of the exams tipped the scales in the bugs' favor. Of course there

could be some more exotic answer, but seems like a pretty reasonable connection.

That's what docs usually do, make the fairly obvious connections first. Except

of course when it comes to microbes. In that case, docs seem to be stuck in the

middle ages. The idea that something invisible could make you sick seems like

blasphemy.

This would be the most obvious time to go get some throat swabs

and see what you've got growing, and demand that they not throw any bugs

out as " contamination " or " normal flora " . Anything

that grows should be tested for abx resistance, toxicity and susceptibilities.

That can give you a much better idea of what's going on in there.

penny

a Carnes <pj7@...>

wrote:

Quite possible, except I started getting

sick 4 days earlier after the throat exam. I actually wondered if the

docs’ laser scope was contaminated and then add that to an anesthetic

spray that may have done something to my throat.

a

I think it was probably related to the dental

treatment which introduced a new bacteria or fungus

which may have travelled into your ear region. Dentist

offices are NOT clean or safe no matter how clean they

look, and your mouth is the most at risk place in your

body.

I developed a black fungal growth on my tongue once

AFTER having gone OFF I.V. antibiotics, along with

horrendous gas pains. Seems like it should be the

opposite, (that fungus should be worse while taking

abx), but when something changes in the bacterial

balance, fungus is a huge opportunist and will take

over wherever it can.

Since I was far away from home on vactaion at that

time, I had no access to antifungal drugs, so had to

improvise. I took nothing but charcoal (mainly for the

gas) and some probiotics and the furry tongue cleared

right up, as well as the gas.

Recently, I told my ENT, after my surgery that I felt

like I had an ear infection. She said my ear looked

fine, but when she went in with the scope, sure

enough, there was a plug of hardened mucous near the

ear drum. She took it out, and the ear improved

rapidly. I wouldn't be surprised if you contracted

some ordinary bug that's festering near your ear

somehow, resulting in vertigo.

Of course, it could be something else entirely, but

based on my experience, that would be my first guess

if it were me.

penny

--- dumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000 .au>

wrote:

> a

> It's the mycoplasims IMO.

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Interesting:

> >

> > http://www.nydailyn

> >

>

<http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html>

> > ews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html

> >

> > So many of us rapidly gained weight when we got

> sick, and a few of

> us

> > rapidly lost weight. One has to think this is

> apart from changes

> in diet.

> >

> > In the past month I have had a very confusing and

> rather bizarre

> change. I

> > would be interested in any ideas of what is going

> on.

> >

> > I have been doing very well, taking Zithromax and

> Recuperation and

> beginning

> > to be able to walk and exercise.

> >

> > I went to an ENT and had him look at my vocal

> cords to rule out

> having

> > nodules causing a vibration so that I can no

> longer sing. He

> sprayed my

> > throat with an anesthetic and declared the vocal

> cords were okay.

> Within one

> > day I felt achy and fluish.

> >

> > Four days later I had an upper tooth filling

> replaced. The next

> day in

> > addition to the existing fluish symptoms I

> developed rather severe

> vertigo.

> > This vertigo has persisted now for 4 weeks.

> >

> > I started a new diet 3 weeks ago based on low

> calorie, high volume

> diet and

> > lost 7 pounds - this is unheard of for me in three

> weeks on any

> diet. The

> > third week I developed a servere case of thrush

> plus some red rash

> as well.

> > I got one diflucan. In the next 2 days I felt the

> thrush was

> clearing and

> > the vertigo was better. By day 3 I had to go back

> to the doctor as

> I felt

> > much worse and was running a 2 degree fever.

> >

> > He prescribed 3 more diflucans and clotrimazole

> troaches.

> >

> > But what is really going on? I haven't had thrush

> in 10 years. Do

> you think

> > the candida was in my inner ear or throat and the

> exam triggered

> it? Or did

> > the increase in carbs in the diet feed it?

> However, the vertigo

> preceded the

> > change in diet.

> >

> > Sorry this is so complicated, but any thoughts

> would be welcome.

> Also, HOW

> > THE HECK DO YOU TREAT THE CANDIDA?

> >

> > a

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Doesn't it seem like a virus would activate your immune system? Conversely, how healthy is your microbe balance if a virus can cause you to have thrush? I'm not saying your explanation is not possible. Just seems like there are other possible explanations as well, especially considering you've got a lot of problems going on in your throat area and have for a long time. If you can't get a doc to run tests, you could at least see if using something like salt rinses (or the Salt Pipe) or betadine might help the condition. penny a Carnes <pj7@...> wrote: I don’t think the fungus is a coincidence. I think that the virus may have suppressed my immune system. Also, I changed toothpaste and stopped doing a low carb diet at about the same time. But, in any case, I just found out the endo wrote the wrong prescription today – this is what I mean about getting decent medical help. I can’t even get the right prescription let alone someone who is going to culture whatever I

have. a Well, sure it could be a virus, and just coincidental that the fungus appeared at the same time. That's the line docs usuallly give me, even though I don't find those kinds of coincidences all that

logical. I like to connect the dots most of the time. The fact that you grew thrush easily seems to me that something happened throwing off your flora balance. I'm a big believer that my infection has affected my entire head and neck region, including my thyroid, throat, tonsils, sinuses, jaws, and continues to move right down my body into my shoulders. I think these areas are very susceptible, due to the accessiblity that bugs have to those areas. I also think my right knee was more susceptible to infection due to a repetitive stress injury resulting in an arthritic type symptom. Other people are susceptible in other areas, might be the gut for some, the pelvic region for others,

the central nervous system for others. Just all depends on your predisopositions and genetic weaknesses. But the head & neck, as far as I'm concerned are very, very vulnerable and make a great entry way for organisms to gain a hold. When you've got something obvious going on in that region, that's the time to get it checked out as thoroughly as possible. penny a Carnes <pj7@...> wrote: Penny, The only thing that makes me question this is that I cannot recall ever in my entire life having veritigo. Also the ENT said he had other patients about this time with the same symptom. His assumption is that we have a virus and it will take 6 weeks to clear. This doesn’t really explain why I then developed thrush. But it may well have been there and the virus has affected the health of my immune system. I just came home from seeing my endo. He gave me a script for a nystatin mouthwash. My blood sugar level was quite normal – that is good news because I was afraid I had developed diabetes. As to getting pathogens grown, hey, I can’t even get a doctor here to prescribe diflucan correctly. Las Vegas is the dark ages for

medical care. You can die here real fast if you don’t have a way to get to Los Angeles or Phoenix. a It seems to me that you've had people tinkering around in your mouth/throat and now here you are with troubles manifesting in the same area. The existing bugs have probably been waiting for their opportunity to take off and adding some new or additional bugs from one or both of the exams tipped the scales in the bugs' favor. Of course there could be some more exotic answer, but seems like

a pretty reasonable connection. That's what docs usually do, make the fairly obvious connections first. Except of course when it comes to microbes. In that case, docs seem to be stuck in the middle ages. The idea that something invisible could make you sick seems like blasphemy. This would be the most obvious time to go get some throat swabs and see what you've got growing, and demand that they not throw any bugs out as "contamination" or "normal flora". Anything that grows should be tested for abx resistance, toxicity and susceptibilities. That can give you a much better idea of what's going on in there. penny a Carnes <pj7@...> wrote: Quite possible, except I started getting sick 4 days earlier after the throat exam. I actually wondered if the docs’ laser scope was contaminated and then add that to an anesthetic spray that may have done something to my throat. a I think it was probably related to the dentaltreatment which introduced a new bacteria or funguswhich may have travelled into your ear region. Dentistoffices are NOT clean or safe no matter how clean theylook, and your mouth is the most at risk place in yourbody.I developed a black fungal growth on my tongue onceAFTER having gone OFF I.V. antibiotics, along withhorrendous gas pains. Seems like it should be theopposite, (that fungus should be worse while takingabx), but when something changes in the bacterialbalance, fungus is a huge opportunist and will takeover wherever it can. Since I was far away from home on vactaion at thattime, I had no access to

antifungal drugs, so had toimprovise. I took nothing but charcoal (mainly for thegas) and some probiotics and the furry tongue clearedright up, as well as the gas. Recently, I told my ENT, after my surgery that I feltlike I had an ear infection. She said my ear lookedfine, but when she went in with the scope, sureenough, there was a plug of hardened mucous near theear drum. She took it out, and the ear improvedrapidly. I wouldn't be surprised if you contractedsome ordinary bug that's festering near your earsomehow, resulting in vertigo.Of course, it could be something else entirely, butbased on my experience, that would be my first guessif it were me.penny--- dumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000 .au>wrote:> a> It's the mycoplasims IMO.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Interesting:> > > > http://www.nydailyn> >><http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html>> > ews.com/front/story/133264p-118852c.html> > > > So many of us rapidly gained weight when we got> sick, and a few of > us> > rapidly lost weight. One has to think this is> apart from changes > in diet.> > > > In the past month I have had a very confusing and> rather bizarre > change. I> > would be

interested in any ideas of what is going> on.> > > > I have been doing very well, taking Zithromax and> Recuperation and > beginning> > to be able to walk and exercise.> > > > I went to an ENT and had him look at my vocal> cords to rule out > having> > nodules causing a vibration so that I can no> longer sing. He > sprayed my> > throat with an anesthetic and declared the vocal> cords were okay. > Within one> > day I felt achy and fluish.> > > > Four days later I had an upper tooth filling> replaced. The next > day in> > addition to the existing fluish symptoms I> developed rather severe > vertigo.> > This vertigo has persisted now for 4 weeks.> > > > I started a new diet 3 weeks ago based on low> calorie, high volume > diet

and> > lost 7 pounds - this is unheard of for me in three> weeks on any > diet. The> > third week I developed a servere case of thrush> plus some red rash > as well.> > I got one diflucan. In the next 2 days I felt the> thrush was > clearing and> > the vertigo was better. By day 3 I had to go back> to the doctor as > I felt> > much worse and was running a 2 degree fever. > > > > He prescribed 3 more diflucans and clotrimazole> troaches.> > > > But what is really going on? I haven't had thrush> in 10 years. Do > you think> > the candida was in my inner ear or throat and the> exam triggered > it? Or did> > the increase in carbs in the diet feed it?> However, the vertigo > preceded the> > change in diet.> > > > Sorry this is so

complicated, but any thoughts> would be welcome. > Also, HOW> > THE HECK DO YOU TREAT THE CANDIDA?> > > > a> >> > > > >