Re: Photosensitivity and tetracycline

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Per, photosensitivity with the tetracyclines is referring specifically to sun burn. I was red as a lobster with blistering hands and feet when I took doxy long term. And I don't normally burn or tan easily. pennyPer Sjoholm <pts2grps@...> wrote: My Photosensitivity was there years before any abx treatment. Its beginning to get back to normalwith help of tetracycline.I have been follow/creating some kind of method to look at the problem from a differnt angel usingmy skills in control system and

problem solving.I belive that photosensitivity has less with the abx and more with the patogens and control system.Using Very dark glasses(NoIRs) give my a better control over headache and brainfog, NoIR alsoreduces the 'stress' that is caused be to high stimuli input to the sensory system.It's easy to test, it's just to sit indoors beside the window with and without the blinds closed.When I get headache I just put on darker glasses. Using 2% NoIR when its dark, and you still see enuoghshow that the organs(eyes) are functional but they get to much 'signal'.The same goes for sound(ears). There is also all the neurological sensors. They are all connectedand interact with endo and immun system. To much stimuli and the system can't handle the information.Inflammation and pain puts a high input on nerv ends.Bacteria gives inflammation and pain. Pain gives more inflammation.From a swedish text book on pain (Smärta och

smärtbehandlig)Pain is the experince and it's also a neuroendocine, neurological and immun system influenseBeaware that it's possible to learn/program the 'system' to behave in certain way giving stimuli.It's preferable to have some knowledge how you are programmed. Technics likes NLP can be used to undothe effects if a person understands what is what.This can also be used the other way around, and change the situation.My teori is that to be succesfull in chronic illnes you need to handle in parralellPatogen(s)Post-patogensControll System(Endo, Immun and neuro)behaivor that is negativ for getting well(reprogram, beaware that they exist and wht they lead to)All this factors targets your system and handling one of them will short term be helpfull.But not achive the desired effekt.It's all about balance, a rebalance can be done BUT balance can't be

forced./Per

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Thanks Penny

I have had no problem with sun burn and doxy/tetracycline. The

photosensitivity I refer to is sensitivty of the eye, am I using the

wrong term ?

/Per

Penny Houle wrote:

> Per, photosensitivity with the tetracyclines is referring specifically

> to sun burn. I was red as a lobster with blistering hands and feet

> when I took doxy long term. And I don't normally burn or tan easily.

>

> penny

>

> */Per Sjoholm <pts2grps@...>/* wrote:

>

> My Photosensitivity was there years before any abx treatment. Its

> beginning to get back to normal

> with help of tetracycline.

> I have been follow/creating some kind of method to look at the

> problem from a differnt angel using

> my skills in control system and problem solving.

>

> I belive that photosensitivity has less with the abx and more with

> the patogens and control system.

> Using Very dark glasses(NoIRs) give my a better control over

> headache and brainfog, NoIR also

> reduces the 'stress' that is caused be to high stimuli input to

> the sensory system.

>

> It's easy to test, it's just to sit indoors beside the window with

> and without the blinds closed.

> When I get headache I just put on darker glasses. Using 2% NoIR

> when its dark, and you still see enuogh

> show that the organs(eyes) are functional but they get to much

> 'signal'.

>

> The same goes for sound(ears). There is also all the neurological

> sensors. They are all connected

> and interact with endo and immun system. To much stimuli and the

> system can't handle the information.

>

> Inflammation and pain puts a high input on nerv ends.

> Bacteria gives inflammation and pain. Pain gives more inflammation.

> From a swedish text book on pain (Smärta och smärtbehandlig)

> Pain is the experince and it's also a neuroendocine, neurological

> and immun system influense

>

> Beaware that it's possible to learn/program the 'system' to behave

> in certain way giving stimuli.

> It's preferable to have some knowledge how you are programmed.

> Technics likes NLP can be used to undo

> the effects if a person understands what is what.

> This can also be used the other way around, and change the situation.

>

> My teori is that to be succesfull in chronic illnes you need to

> handle in parralell

> Patogen(s)

> Post-patogens

> Controll System(Endo, Immun and neuro)

> behaivor that is negativ for getting well(reprogram, beaware that

> they exist and wht they lead to)

>

> All this factors targets your system and handling one of them will

> short term be helpfull.

> But not achive the desired effekt.

>

> It's all about balance, a rebalance can be done BUT balance can't

> be forced.

>

> /Per

>

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Photophobia [photophobic] is common to other infections, measles in particular ..Vitamin A depletion is associated with the condition . I had the condition for years , it was one of the first symptoms to go following treatment with fungal antibiotics ..

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of Per SjoholmSent: 18 June 2006 20:45infections Subject: Re: [infections] Photosensitivity and tetracycline

Thanks PennyI have had no problem with sun burn and doxy/tetracycline. The photosensitivity I refer to is sensitivty of the eye, am I using the wrong term ?/PerPenny Houle wrote:> Per, photosensitivity with the tetracyclines is referring specifically > to sun burn. I was red as a lobster with blistering hands and feet > when I took doxy long term. And I don't normally burn or tan easily.> > penny>> */Per Sjoholm <pts2grpsegroups (DOT) oasen.dyndns.org>/* wrote:>> My Photosensitivity was there years before any abx treatment. Its> beginning to get back to normal> with help of tetracycline.> I have been follow/creating some kind of method to look at the> problem from a differnt angel using> my skills in control system and problem solving.>> I belive that photosensitivity has less with the abx and more with> the patogens and control system.> Using Very dark glasses(NoIRs) give my a better control over> headache and brainfog, NoIR also> reduces the 'stress' that is caused be to high stimuli input to> the sensory system.>> It's easy to test, it's just to sit indoors beside the window with> and without the blinds closed.> When I get headache I just put on darker glasses. Using 2% NoIR> when its dark, and you still see enuogh> show that the organs(eyes) are functional but they get to much> 'signal'.>> The same goes for sound(ears). There is also all the neurological> sensors. They are all connected> and interact with endo and immun system. To much stimuli and the> system can't handle the information.>> Inflammation and pain puts a high input on nerv ends.> Bacteria gives inflammation and pain. Pain gives more inflammation.> From a swedish text book on pain (Smärta och smärtbehandlig)> Pain is the experince and it's also a neuroendocine, neurological> and immun system influense>> Beaware that it's possible to learn/program the 'system' to behave> in certain way giving stimuli.> It's preferable to have some knowledge how you are programmed.> Technics likes NLP can be used to undo> the effects if a person understands what is what.> This can also be used the other way around, and change the situation.>> My teori is that to be succesfull in chronic illnes you need to> handle in parralell> Patogen(s)> Post-patogens> Controll System(Endo, Immun and neuro)> behaivor that is negativ for getting well(reprogram, beaware that> they exist and wht they lead to)>> All this factors targets your system and handling one of them will> short term be helpfull.> But not achive the desired effekt.>> It's all about balance, a rebalance can be done BUT balance can't> be forced.>> /Per>

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Hi ,

Can you share which antifungals and antibiotics

worked for you? I'm doing a fungal spray now but I I

think I need an oral one as well.

Thanks,

Christi

> Photophobia [photophobic] is common to other

> infections, measles in

> particular ..Vitamin A depletion is associated with

> the condition . I had

> the condition for years , it was one of the first

> symptoms to go following

> treatment with fungal antibiotics ..

> Re: [infections]

> Photosensitivity and tetracycline

>

>

> Thanks Penny

> I have had no problem with sun burn and

> doxy/tetracycline. The

> photosensitivity I refer to is sensitivty of the

> eye, am I using the

> wrong term ?

> /Per

> Penny Houle wrote:

>

> > Per, photosensitivity with the tetracyclines is

> referring specifically

> > to sun burn. I was red as a lobster with

> blistering hands and feet

> > when I took doxy long term. And I don't normally

> burn or tan easily.

> >

> > penny

> >

> > */Per Sjoholm

> <pts2grps@...>/* wrote:

> >

> > My Photosensitivity was there years before any

> abx treatment. Its

> > beginning to get back to normal

> > with help of tetracycline.

> > I have been follow/creating some kind of method

> to look at the

> > problem from a differnt angel using

> > my skills in control system and problem solving.

> >

> > I belive that photosensitivity has less with the

> abx and more with

> > the patogens and control system.

> > Using Very dark glasses(NoIRs) give my a better

> control over

> > headache and brainfog, NoIR also

> > reduces the 'stress' that is caused be to high

> stimuli input to

> > the sensory system.

> >

> > It's easy to test, it's just to sit indoors

> beside the window with

> > and without the blinds closed.

> > When I get headache I just put on darker

> glasses. Using 2% NoIR

> > when its dark, and you still see enuogh

> > show that the organs(eyes) are functional but

> they get to much

> > 'signal'.

> >

> > The same goes for sound(ears). There is also all

> the neurological

> > sensors. They are all connected

> > and interact with endo and immun system. To much

> stimuli and the

> > system can't handle the information.

> >

> > Inflammation and pain puts a high input on nerv

> ends.

> > Bacteria gives inflammation and pain. Pain gives

> more inflammation.

> > From a swedish text book on pain (Smärta och

> smärtbehandlig)

> > Pain is the experince and it's also a

> neuroendocine, neurological

> > and immun system influense

> >

> > Beaware that it's possible to learn/program the

> 'system' to behave

> > in certain way giving stimuli.

> > It's preferable to have some knowledge how you

> are programmed.

> > Technics likes NLP can be used to undo

> > the effects if a person understands what is

> what.

> > This can also be used the other way around, and

> change the situation.

> >

> > My teori is that to be succesfull in chronic

> illnes you need to

> > handle in parralell

> > Patogen(s)

> > Post-patogens

> > Controll System(Endo, Immun and neuro)

> > behaivor that is negativ for getting

> well(reprogram, beaware that

> > they exist and wht they lead to)

> >

> > All this factors targets your system and

> handling one of them will

> > short term be helpfull.

> > But not achive the desired effekt.

> >

> > It's all about balance, a rebalance can be done

> BUT balance can't

> > be forced.

> >

> > /Per

> >

>

>

>

>

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Hi Christi, Its not so much the choice of Antibiotics , it's the dose... All AF are effective, I do prefer Terbinafine [Lamisil] as a systemic ..but I have never tried Fluconazole at the higher doses ...Latest thinking from fungal specialists is the optimum dose of Fluconazole [Diflucan] for a systemic infection lies between 400 & 800 mg per day. A dose I relate to.

Dr Cranton treats a yeast infection with triple AF..that tells us the scale of a fungal infection ..Same with Lyme ..forget conventional treatments . a single course of low dose AB'xs is not going to touch Lyme .....

Re: [infections]> Photosensitivity and tetracycline> > > Thanks Penny> I have had no problem with sun burn and> doxy/tetracycline. The> photosensitivity I refer to is sensitivty of the> eye, am I using the> wrong term ?> /Per> Penny Houle wrote:> > > Per, photosensitivity with the tetracyclines is> referring specifically> > to sun burn. I was red as a lobster with> blistering hands and feet> > when I took doxy long term. And I don't normally> burn or tan easily.> >> > penny> >> > */Per Sjoholm> <pts2grpsegroups (DOT) oasen.dyndns.org>/* wrote:> >> > My Photosensitivity was there years before any> abx treatment. Its> > beginning to get back to normal> > with help of tetracycline.> > I have been follow/creating some kind of method> to look at the> > problem from a differnt angel using> > my skills in control system and problem solving.> >> > I belive that photosensitivity has less with the> abx and more with> > the patogens and control system.> > Using Very dark glasses(NoIRs) give my a better> control over> > headache and brainfog, NoIR also> > reduces the 'stress' that is caused be to high> stimuli input to> > the sensory system.> >> > It's easy to test, it's just to sit indoors> beside the window with> > and without the blinds closed.> > When I get headache I just put on darker> glasses. Using 2% NoIR> > when its dark, and you still see enuogh> > show that the organs(eyes) are functional but> they get to much> > 'signal'.> >> > The same goes for sound(ears). There is also all> the neurological> > sensors. They are all connected> > and interact with endo and immun system. To much> stimuli and the> > system can't handle the information.> >> > Inflammation and pain puts a high input on nerv> ends.> > Bacteria gives inflammation and pain. Pain gives> more inflammation.> > From a swedish text book on pain (Smärta och> smärtbehandlig)> > Pain is the experince and it's also a> neuroendocine, neurological> > and immun system influense> >> > Beaware that it's possible to learn/program the> 'system' to behave> > in certain way giving stimuli.> > It's preferable to have some knowledge how you> are programmed.> > Technics likes NLP can be used to undo> > the effects if a person understands what is> what.> > This can also be used the other way around, and> change the situation.> >> > My teori is that to be succesfull in chronic> illnes you need to> > handle in parralell> > Patogen(s)> > Post-patogens> > Controll System(Endo, Immun and neuro)> > behaivor that is negativ for getting> well(reprogram, beaware that> > they exist and wht they lead to)> >> > All this factors targets your system and> handling one of them will> > short term be helpfull.> > But not achive the desired effekt.> >> > It's all about balance, a rebalance can be done> BUT balance can't> > be forced.> >> > /Per> >> > > > > --> No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 -> Release Date: 16/06/2006> __________________________________________________

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Hi ,

So based on my IgG tests I tested very high in

Penicillium and Cladi. So it doesn't matter what molds

I'm colonized with? All antifungals are equal at high

doses? What do you know about Sporonox? Had any

friends who got better with it? I tested negative for

lyme but positive for antibiotic resistant staph as

well which probably needs high continually doses of

rotating antibiotics. Know some good strategies to use

with doctors to get these high doses continually?

Where is Dr. Cranton located? What kind of doctor?

Thanks,

Christi

> Hi Christi, Its not so much the choice of

> Antibiotics , it's the dose... All

> AF are effective, I do prefer Terbinafine [Lamisil]

> as a systemic ..but I

> have never tried Fluconazole at the higher doses

> ...Latest thinking from

> fungal specialists is the optimum dose of

> Fluconazole [Diflucan] for a

> systemic infection lies between 400 & 800 mg per

> day. A dose I relate to.

>

> Dr Cranton treats a yeast infection with triple

> AF..that tells us the

> scale of a fungal infection ..Same with Lyme

> ..forget conventional

> treatments . a single course of low dose AB'xs is

> not going to touch Lyme

> .....

>

>

>

>

> Re: [infections]

> > Photosensitivity and tetracycline

> >

> >

> > Thanks Penny

> > I have had no problem with sun burn and

> > doxy/tetracycline. The

> > photosensitivity I refer to is sensitivty of the

> > eye, am I using the

> > wrong term ?

> > /Per

> > Penny Houle wrote:

> >

> > > Per, photosensitivity with the tetracyclines

> is

> > referring specifically

> > > to sun burn. I was red as a lobster with

> > blistering hands and feet

> > > when I took doxy long term. And I don't

> normally

> > burn or tan easily.

> > >

> > > penny

> > >

> > > */Per Sjoholm

> > <pts2grps@...>/* wrote:

> > >

> > > My Photosensitivity was there years before any

> > abx treatment. Its

> > > beginning to get back to normal

> > > with help of tetracycline.

> > > I have been follow/creating some kind of

> method

> > to look at the

> > > problem from a differnt angel using

> > > my skills in control system and problem

> solving.

> > >

> > > I belive that photosensitivity has less with

> the

> > abx and more with

> > > the patogens and control system.

> > > Using Very dark glasses(NoIRs) give my a

> better

> > control over

> > > headache and brainfog, NoIR also

> > > reduces the 'stress' that is caused be to high

> > stimuli input to

> > > the sensory system.

> > >

> > > It's easy to test, it's just to sit indoors

> > beside the window with

> > > and without the blinds closed.

> > > When I get headache I just put on darker

> > glasses. Using 2% NoIR

> > > when its dark, and you still see enuogh

> > > show that the organs(eyes) are functional but

> > they get to much

> > > 'signal'.

> > >

> > > The same goes for sound(ears). There is also

> all

> > the neurological

> > > sensors. They are all connected

> > > and interact with endo and immun system. To

> much

> > stimuli and the

> > > system can't handle the information.

> > >

> > > Inflammation and pain puts a high input on

> nerv

> > ends.

> > > Bacteria gives inflammation and pain. Pain

> gives

> > more inflammation.

> > > From a swedish text book on pain (Smärta och

> > smärtbehandlig)

> > > Pain is the experince and it's also a

> > neuroendocine, neurological

> > > and immun system influense

> > >

> > > Beaware that it's possible to learn/program

> the

> > 'system' to behave

> > > in certain way giving stimuli.

> > > It's preferable to have some knowledge how you

> > are programmed.

> > > Technics likes NLP can be used to undo

> > > the effects if a person understands what is

> > what.

> > > This can also be used the other way around,

> and

> > change the situation.

> > >

> > > My teori is that to be succesfull in chronic

> > illnes you need to

> > > handle in parralell

> > > Patogen(s)

> > > Post-patogens

> > > Controll System(Endo, Immun and neuro)

> > > behaivor that is negativ for getting

> > well(reprogram, beaware that

> > > they exist and wht they lead to)

> > >

> > > All this factors targets your system and

> > handling one of them will

> > > short term be helpfull.

> > > But not achive the desired effekt.

> > >

> > > It's all about balance, a rebalance can be

> done

> > BUT balance can't

> > > be forced.

> > >

> > > /Per

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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, ok, here we go again. You say antifungals are only good and

high doses, then maybe you have an idea of why I react the way I do.

I have been calling it a herx, but maybe it isn't, if you believe

what some here say.

I get rather sick on 50mgs. every other day of diflucan. symptoms

are just about identical to what happens on the low dose Mino.

Sympptoms do not start immediately, but take about 2-3 doses before

the inflammation in feet, fatigue, depression and shooting pains

start. The near identical same things happens to my daughter. Since

we both do have Lyme my LLMD thinks it may have to do with Lyme die

off as suspected by that German doctor.

I know that I can take Nizorel without having any negative

effects. Wonder if my body does not filter these drugs out as well

as other people do? I know that Mino has a very long half life.

Maybe they accumulate to amounts that are significant enough to do

the job. Not that this would be a good thing, if my body is not

filtering well.

> > >

> > > My Photosensitivity was there years before any

> > abx treatment. Its

> > > beginning to get back to normal

> > > with help of tetracycline.

> > > I have been follow/creating some kind of method

> > to look at the

> > > problem from a differnt angel using

> > > my skills in control system and problem solving.

> > >

> > > I belive that photosensitivity has less with the

> > abx and more with

> > > the patogens and control system.

> > > Using Very dark glasses(NoIRs) give my a better

> > control over

> > > headache and brainfog, NoIR also

> > > reduces the 'stress' that is caused be to high

> > stimuli input to

> > > the sensory system.

> > >

> > > It's easy to test, it's just to sit indoors

> > beside the window with

> > > and without the blinds closed.

> > > When I get headache I just put on darker

> > glasses. Using 2% NoIR

> > > when its dark, and you still see enuogh

> > > show that the organs(eyes) are functional but

> > they get to much

> > > 'signal'.

> > >

> > > The same goes for sound(ears). There is also all

> > the neurological

> > > sensors. They are all connected

> > > and interact with endo and immun system. To much

> > stimuli and the

> > > system can't handle the information.

> > >

> > > Inflammation and pain puts a high input on nerv

> > ends.

> > > Bacteria gives inflammation and pain. Pain gives

> > more inflammation.

> > > From a swedish text book on pain (Smärta och

> > smärtbehandlig)

> > > Pain is the experince and it's also a

> > neuroendocine, neurological

> > > and immun system influense

> > >

> > > Beaware that it's possible to learn/program the

> > 'system' to behave

> > > in certain way giving stimuli.

> > > It's preferable to have some knowledge how you

> > are programmed.

> > > Technics likes NLP can be used to undo

> > > the effects if a person understands what is

> > what.

> > > This can also be used the other way around, and

> > change the situation.

> > >

> > > My teori is that to be succesfull in chronic

> > illnes you need to

> > > handle in parralell

> > > Patogen(s)

> > > Post-patogens

> > > Controll System(Endo, Immun and neuro)

> > > behaivor that is negativ for getting

> > well(reprogram, beaware that

> > > they exist and wht they lead to)

> > >

> > > All this factors targets your system and

> > handling one of them will

> > > short term be helpfull.

> > > But not achive the desired effekt.

> > >

> > > It's all about balance, a rebalance can be done

> > BUT balance can't

> > > be forced.

> > >

> > > /Per

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Tetracycline (as well as mino & doxy) can induce a photosensitivity that is an actual change in the skin making one extremely prone to sun burn. Usually, short term usage won't result in a burn, but if used for extended periods (generally at full doses) it can be a definite problem for many. I was on i.v. doxy for several months and got terribly burned fingers and hands just driving my car. Gloves were hard to manage all the time and I had to cut the finger tips out to drive safely, but even then my fingertips would get terribly burned. If I forgot to wear socks and went out even for a few minutes with flip flops (sandals) the top of my feet would be badly burned. My nose was perpetually red, even though I wore a hat and glasses. So, needless to say, this is a different kind of photosensitivity. It's a drug induced change in the skin, not the eyes. It got really old for me. I just couldn't handle being continuously burned any more. penny Per Sjoholm <pts2grps@...> wrote: Thanks PennyI have had no problem with sun burn and doxy/tetracycline. The photosensitivity I refer to is sensitivty of the eye, am I using the wrong term ?/PerPenny Houle wrote:> Per, photosensitivity with the tetracyclines is referring specifically > to sun burn. I was red as a lobster with blistering hands and feet

> when I took doxy long term. And I don't normally burn or tan easily.> > penny>> */Per Sjoholm <pts2grpsegroups (DOT) oasen.dyndns.org>/* wrote:>> My Photosensitivity was there years before any abx treatment. Its> beginning to get back to normal> with help of tetracycline.> I have been follow/creating some kind of method to look at the> problem from a differnt angel using> my skills in control system and problem solving.>> I belive that photosensitivity has less with the abx and more with> the patogens and control system.> Using Very dark glasses(NoIRs) give my a better control over> headache and brainfog, NoIR also> reduces the 'stress' that is caused be to high stimuli input to> the sensory system.>> It's easy to test, it's just to sit indoors beside the

window with> and without the blinds closed.> When I get headache I just put on darker glasses. Using 2% NoIR> when its dark, and you still see enuogh> show that the organs(eyes) are functional but they get to much> 'signal'.>> The same goes for sound(ears). There is also all the neurological> sensors. They are all connected> and interact with endo and immun system. To much stimuli and the> system can't handle the information.>> Inflammation and pain puts a high input on nerv ends.> Bacteria gives inflammation and pain. Pain gives more inflammation.> From a swedish text book on pain (Smärta och smärtbehandlig)> Pain is the experince and it's also a neuroendocine, neurological> and immun system influense>> Beaware that it's possible to learn/program the 'system' to behave> in certain way giving stimuli.> It's preferable to have some

knowledge how you are programmed.> Technics likes NLP can be used to undo> the effects if a person understands what is what.> This can also be used the other way around, and change the situation.>> My teori is that to be succesfull in chronic illnes you need to> handle in parralell> Patogen(s)> Post-patogens> Controll System(Endo, Immun and neuro)> behaivor that is negativ for getting well(reprogram, beaware that> they exist and wht they lead to)>> All this factors targets your system and handling one of them will> short term be helpfull.> But not achive the desired effekt.>> It's all about balance, a rebalance can be done BUT balance can't> be forced.>> /Per>

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Varying drug reactions can definitely have something to do with the way we metabolize drugs differently. I could handle minocycline at first, but it seemed to build up in my system until I'd become extremely sick. I.V. Imipenem also made me extremely sick. After I couldn't take it anymore and quit the drug, I learned that when you have this kind of reaction, you're supposed to infuse it more slowly. Same dosage, just administered over a longer time period so your body can process it. I wish I'd known that. Good i.v. nurses do know this, but my home health care company was all about collecting payment, not much else. penny jellybelly92008 <herranenb@...> wrote: , ok, here we go again. You say antifungals are only good and high doses, then maybe you have an idea of why I react the way I do. I have been calling it a herx, but maybe it isn't, if you believe what some here say.I get rather sick on 50mgs. every other day of diflucan. symptoms are just about identical to what happens on the low dose Mino. Sympptoms do not start immediately, but take about 2-3 doses before the inflammation in feet, fatigue, depression and shooting pains start. The near identical same things happens to my daughter. Since we both do have Lyme my LLMD thinks it may have to do with Lyme die off as suspected by that German doctor.I know that I can take Nizorel without having any negative

effects. Wonder if my body does not filter these drugs out as well as other people do? I know that Mino has a very long half life. Maybe they accumulate to amounts that are significant enough to do the job. Not that this would be a good thing, if my body is not filtering well. > > >> > > My Photosensitivity was there years before any> > abx treatment. Its> > > beginning

to get back to normal> > > with help of tetracycline.> > > I have been follow/creating some kind of method> > to look at the> > > problem from a differnt angel using> > > my skills in control system and problem solving.> > >> > > I belive that photosensitivity has less with the> > abx and more with> > > the patogens and control system.> > > Using Very dark glasses(NoIRs) give my a better> > control over> > > headache and brainfog, NoIR also> > > reduces the 'stress' that is caused be to high> > stimuli input to> > > the sensory system.> > >> > > It's easy to test, it's just to sit indoors> > beside the window with> > > and without the blinds closed.> > > When I get headache I just put on darker> > glasses. Using 2%

NoIR> > > when its dark, and you still see enuogh> > > show that the organs(eyes) are functional but> > they get to much> > > 'signal'.> > >> > > The same goes for sound(ears). There is also all> > the neurological> > > sensors. They are all connected> > > and interact with endo and immun system. To much> > stimuli and the> > > system can't handle the information.> > >> > > Inflammation and pain puts a high input on nerv> > ends.> > > Bacteria gives inflammation and pain. Pain gives> > more inflammation.> > > From a swedish text book on pain (Smärta och> > smärtbehandlig)> > > Pain is the experince and it's also a> > neuroendocine, neurological> > > and immun system influense> > >> > > Beaware that

it's possible to learn/program the> > 'system' to behave> > > in certain way giving stimuli.> > > It's preferable to have some knowledge how you> > are programmed.> > > Technics likes NLP can be used to undo> > > the effects if a person understands what is> > what.> > > This can also be used the other way around, and> > change the situation.> > >> > > My teori is that to be succesfull in chronic> > illnes you need to> > > handle in parralell> > > Patogen(s)> > > Post-patogens> > > Controll System(Endo, Immun and neuro)> > > behaivor that is negativ for getting> > well(reprogram, beaware that> > > they exist and wht they lead to)> > >> > > All this factors targets your system and> > handling one of them

will> > > short term be helpfull.> > > But not achive the desired effekt.> > >> > > It's all about balance, a rebalance can be done> > BUT balance can't> > > be forced.> > >> > > /Per> > >> >> >> >> >> > --> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 -> > Release Date: 16/06/2006> >> > __________________________________________________>

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Hmmm, same with me, the mino seems to build up. Eventually I seem to

tolerate the previous dose and can increase just a little though.

Wonder how you can get around this with Mino in particular?

> > > >

> > > > My Photosensitivity was there years before any

> > > abx treatment. Its

> > > > beginning to get back to normal

> > > > with help of tetracycline.

> > > > I have been follow/creating some kind of method

> > > to look at the

> > > > problem from a differnt angel using

> > > > my skills in control system and problem solving.

> > > >

> > > > I belive that photosensitivity has less with the

> > > abx and more with

> > > > the patogens and control system.

> > > > Using Very dark glasses(NoIRs) give my a better

> > > control over

> > > > headache and brainfog, NoIR also

> > > > reduces the 'stress' that is caused be to high

> > > stimuli input to

> > > > the sensory system.

> > > >

> > > > It's easy to test, it's just to sit indoors

> > > beside the window with

> > > > and without the blinds closed.

> > > > When I get headache I just put on darker

> > > glasses. Using 2% NoIR

> > > > when its dark, and you still see enuogh

> > > > show that the organs(eyes) are functional but

> > > they get to much

> > > > 'signal'.

> > > >

> > > > The same goes for sound(ears). There is also all

> > > the neurological

> > > > sensors. They are all connected

> > > > and interact with endo and immun system. To much

> > > stimuli and the

> > > > system can't handle the information.

> > > >

> > > > Inflammation and pain puts a high input on nerv

> > > ends.

> > > > Bacteria gives inflammation and pain. Pain gives

> > > more inflammation.

> > > > From a swedish text book on pain (Smärta och

> > > smärtbehandlig)

> > > > Pain is the experince and it's also a

> > > neuroendocine, neurological

> > > > and immun system influense

> > > >

> > > > Beaware that it's possible to learn/program the

> > > 'system' to behave

> > > > in certain way giving stimuli.

> > > > It's preferable to have some knowledge how you

> > > are programmed.

> > > > Technics likes NLP can be used to undo

> > > > the effects if a person understands what is

> > > what.

> > > > This can also be used the other way around, and

> > > change the situation.

> > > >

> > > > My teori is that to be succesfull in chronic

> > > illnes you need to

> > > > handle in parralell

> > > > Patogen(s)

> > > > Post-patogens

> > > > Controll System(Endo, Immun and neuro)

> > > > behaivor that is negativ for getting

> > > well(reprogram, beaware that

> > > > they exist and wht they lead to)

> > > >

> > > > All this factors targets your system and

> > > handling one of them will

> > > > short term be helpfull.

> > > > But not achive the desired effekt.

> > > >

> > > > It's all about balance, a rebalance can be done

> > > BUT balance can't

> > > > be forced.

> > > >

> > > > /Per

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.

> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.

> > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 -

> > > Release Date: 16/06/2006

> > >

> >

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> >

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With all the other reactions I have to Doxy at full dose and Mino,

skin sensitivity hasn't ever been one of them.

>

> My Photosensitivity was there years before any abx treatment. Its

beginning to get back to normal

> with help of tetracycline.

> I have been follow/creating some kind of method to look at the

problem from a differnt angel using

> my skills in control system and problem solving.

>

> I belive that photosensitivity has less with the abx and more with

the patogens and control system.

> Using Very dark glasses(NoIRs) give my a better control over

headache and brainfog, NoIR also

> reduces the 'stress' that is caused be to high stimuli input to

the sensory system.

>

> It's easy to test, it's just to sit indoors beside the window with

and without the blinds closed.

> When I get headache I just put on darker glasses. Using 2% NoIR

when its dark, and you still see enuogh

> show that the organs(eyes) are functional but they get to

much 'signal'.

>

> The same goes for sound(ears). There is also all the neurological

sensors. They are all connected

> and interact with endo and immun system. To much stimuli and the

system can't handle the information.

>

> Inflammation and pain puts a high input on nerv ends.

> Bacteria gives inflammation and pain. Pain gives more inflammation.

> From a swedish text book on pain (Smärta och smärtbehandlig)

> Pain is the experince and it's also a neuroendocine, neurological

and immun system influense

>

> Beaware that it's possible to learn/program the 'system' to behave

in certain way giving stimuli.

> It's preferable to have some knowledge how you are programmed.

Technics likes NLP can be used to undo

> the effects if a person understands what is what.

> This can also be used the other way around, and change the

situation.

>

> My teori is that to be succesfull in chronic illnes you need to

handle in parralell

> Patogen(s)

> Post-patogens

> Controll System(Endo, Immun and neuro)

> behaivor that is negativ for getting well(reprogram, beaware that

they exist and wht they lead to)

>

> All this factors targets your system and handling one of them will

short term be helpfull.

> But not achive the desired effekt.

>

> It's all about balance, a rebalance can be done BUT balance can't

be forced.

>

> /Per

>

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On Jun 18, 2006, at 4:45 PM, Per Sjoholm wrote:I have had no problem with sun burn and doxy/tetracycline.That's good to hear. I have been worried the past few days because it's actually been sunny here in Nova Scotia and I worked out in the garden, forgetting totally that I was taking doxy. But guess what -- no sunburn. So I thought maybe this doxy isn't the real thing (a possibility). Does not everyone get the sunburn effect then? My son certainly has no problem on minocycline, but I think doxy is the one that is really supposed to make people burn.- Kate

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Well, if you study the p450 pathway stuff, I'm not sure you can. Unless you can some how influence your body's enzyme balance to change your liver's capacity. I really don't know if they have that much information yet about tweaking the way your body metabolizes things. pennyjellybelly92008 <herranenb@...> wrote: Hmmm, same with me, the mino seems to build up. Eventually I seem to tolerate the previous dose and can increase just a little though. Wonder how you can get around this with Mino in particular?---

In infections , Penny Houle <pennyhoule@...> wrote:>> Varying drug reactions can definitely have something to do with the way we metabolize drugs differently. I could handle minocycline at first, but it seemed to build up in my system until I'd become extremely sick.> > I.V. Imipenem also made me extremely sick. After I couldn't take it anymore and quit the drug, I learned that when you have this kind of reaction, you're supposed to infuse it more slowly. Same dosage, just administered over a longer time period so your body can process it. I wish I'd known that. Good i.v. nurses do know this, but my home health care company was all about collecting payment, not much else.> > penny> > > > jellybelly92008 <herranenb@...> wrote:> ,

ok, here we go again. You say antifungals are only good and > high doses, then maybe you have an idea of why I react the way I do. > I have been calling it a herx, but maybe it isn't, if you believe > what some here say.> > I get rather sick on 50mgs. every other day of diflucan. symptoms > are just about identical to what happens on the low dose Mino. > Sympptoms do not start immediately, but take about 2-3 doses before > the inflammation in feet, fatigue, depression and shooting pains > start. The near identical same things happens to my daughter. Since > we both do have Lyme my LLMD thinks it may have to do with Lyme die > off as suspected by that German doctor.> > I know that I can take Nizorel without having any negative > effects. Wonder if my body does not filter these drugs out as well > as other people do? I know that Mino has a very long

half life. > Maybe they accumulate to amounts that are significant enough to do > the job. Not that this would be a good thing, if my body is not > filtering well. > > > > > >> > > > My Photosensitivity was there years before any> > > abx treatment. Its> > > > beginning to get back to normal> > > > with help of tetracycline.> > > > I have been follow/creating some kind of method> > > to look at the> > > > problem from a differnt angel using> > > > my skills in control system and problem solving.> > > >> > > > I belive that photosensitivity has less with the> > > abx and more with> > > > the patogens and control system.> > > > Using Very dark glasses(NoIRs) give my a better> > > control over> > > > headache and brainfog, NoIR also> > > >

reduces the 'stress' that is caused be to high> > > stimuli input to> > > > the sensory system.> > > >> > > > It's easy to test, it's just to sit indoors> > > beside the window with> > > > and without the blinds closed.> > > > When I get headache I just put on darker> > > glasses. Using 2% NoIR> > > > when its dark, and you still see enuogh> > > > show that the organs(eyes) are functional but> > > they get to much> > > > 'signal'.> > > >> > > > The same goes for sound(ears). There is also all> > > the neurological> > > > sensors. They are all connected> > > > and interact with endo and immun system. To much> > > stimuli and the> > > > system can't handle the information.> > >

>> > > > Inflammation and pain puts a high input on nerv> > > ends.> > > > Bacteria gives inflammation and pain. Pain gives> > > more inflammation.> > > > From a swedish text book on pain (Smärta och> > > smärtbehandlig)> > > > Pain is the experince and it's also a> > > neuroendocine, neurological> > > > and immun system influense> > > >> > > > Beaware that it's possible to learn/program the> > > 'system' to behave> > > > in certain way giving stimuli.> > > > It's preferable to have some knowledge how you> > > are programmed.> > > > Technics likes NLP can be used to undo> > > > the effects if a person understands what is> > > what.> > > > This can also be used the other way around,

and> > > change the situation.> > > >> > > > My teori is that to be succesfull in chronic> > > illnes you need to> > > > handle in parralell> > > > Patogen(s)> > > > Post-patogens> > > > Controll System(Endo, Immun and neuro)> > > > behaivor that is negativ for getting> > > well(reprogram, beaware that> > > > they exist and wht they lead to)> > > >> > > > All this factors targets your system and> > > handling one of them will> > > > short term be helpfull.> > > > But not achive the desired effekt.> > > >> > > > It's all about balance, a rebalance can be done> > > BUT balance can't> > > > be forced.> > > >> > > > /Per> > >

>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 -> > > Release Date: 16/06/2006> > >> > > > __________________________________________________> >

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I dont think Difulcan is effective at low doses. Better try fungizone..

much cheaper and more effective,

bleu

On 19 Jun 2006, at 02:05, jellybelly92008 wrote:

> , ok, here we go again. You say antifungals are only good and

> high doses, then maybe you have an idea of why I react the way I do.

> I have been calling it a herx, but maybe it isn't, if you believe

> what some here say.

>

> I get rather sick on 50mgs. every other day of diflucan. symptoms

> are just about identical to what happens on the low dose Mino.

> Sympptoms do not start immediately, but take about 2-3 doses before

> the inflammation in feet, fatigue, depression and shooting pains

> start. The near identical same things happens to my daughter. Since

> we both do have Lyme my LLMD thinks it may have to do with Lyme die

> off as suspected by that German doctor.

>

> I know that I can take Nizorel without having any negative

> effects. Wonder if my body does not filter these drugs out as well

> as other people do? I know that Mino has a very long half life.

> Maybe they accumulate to amounts that are significant enough to do

> the job. Not that this would be a good thing, if my body is not

> filtering well.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > My Photosensitivity was there years before any

> > > abx treatment. Its

> > > > beginning to get back to normal

> > > > with help of tetracycline.

> > > > I have been follow/creating some kind of method

> > > to look at the

> > > > problem from a differnt angel using

> > > > my skills in control system and problem solving.

> > > >

> > > > I belive that photosensitivity has less with the

> > > abx and more with

> > > > the patogens and control system.

> > > > Using Very dark glasses(NoIRs) give my a better

> > > control over

> > > > headache and brainfog, NoIR also

> > > > reduces the 'stress' that is caused be to high

> > > stimuli input to

> > > > the sensory system.

> > > >

> > > > It's easy to test, it's just to sit indoors

> > > beside the window with

> > > > and without the blinds closed.

> > > > When I get headache I just put on darker

> > > glasses. Using 2% NoIR

> > > > when its dark, and you still see enuogh

> > > > show that the organs(eyes) are functional but

> > > they get to much

> > > > 'signal'.

> > > >

> > > > The same goes for sound(ears). There is also all

> > > the neurological

> > > > sensors. They are all connected

> > > > and interact with endo and immun system. To much

> > > stimuli and the

> > > > system can't handle the information.

> > > >

> > > > Inflammation and pain puts a high input on nerv

> > > ends.

> > > > Bacteria gives inflammation and pain. Pain gives

> > > more inflammation.

> > > > From a swedish text book on pain (Smärta och

> > > smärtbehandlig)

> > > > Pain is the experince and it's also a

> > > neuroendocine, neurological

> > > > and immun system influense

> > > >

> > > > Beaware that it's possible to learn/program the

> > > 'system' to behave

> > > > in certain way giving stimuli.

> > > > It's preferable to have some knowledge how you

> > > are programmed.

> > > > Technics likes NLP can be used to undo

> > > > the effects if a person understands what is

> > > what.

> > > > This can also be used the other way around, and

> > > change the situation.

> > > >

> > > > My teori is that to be succesfull in chronic

> > > illnes you need to

> > > > handle in parralell

> > > > Patogen(s)

> > > > Post-patogens

> > > > Controll System(Endo, Immun and neuro)

> > > > behaivor that is negativ for getting

> > > well(reprogram, beaware that

> > > > they exist and wht they lead to)

> > > >

> > > > All this factors targets your system and

> > > handling one of them will

> > > > short term be helpfull.

> > > > But not achive the desired effekt.

> > > >

> > > > It's all about balance, a rebalance can be done

> > > BUT balance can't

> > > > be forced.

> > > >

> > > > /Per

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.

> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.

> > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 -

> > > Release Date: 16/06/2006

> > >

> >

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Sporinox is an Azoles [itroconazole] some say it is the superior drug to Fluconazole .but it's not streets ahead... its interesting that the protocol in using sporinox is a pulsed treatment , 2 week on 2 weeks off . With yeast being a dimorphic organism it is similar to spirochetes ..with one phenotype being more susceptible than the other to treatment.

There are more effective AF's, the trizoles are the latest ...a full list can be found in the Dr Fungus site ..But most can only access the azoles & Terbinafine

Dr Cranton is ex Harvard ,he specialises in yeast infections now retired, his son caries on his work , he is based in Washington with another clinic in Richmond I think ..Look up Dr Crook , his book The Yeast Connection is a million best seller..Also Dr Truss his book The missing diagnosis can still be purchased

Dr Cranton's site and treatment protocol can be found in the reference page of my site...

Re: [infections]> > Photosensitivity and tetracycline> >> >> > Thanks Penny> > I have had no problem with sun burn and> > doxy/tetracycline. The> > photosensitivity I refer to is sensitivty of the> > eye, am I using the> > wrong term ?> > /Per> > Penny Houle wrote:> >> > > Per, photosensitivity with the tetracyclines> is> > referring specifically> > > to sun burn. I was red as a lobster with> > blistering hands and feet> > > when I took doxy long term. And I don't> normally> > burn or tan easily.> > >> > > penny> > >> > > */Per Sjoholm> > <pts2grpsegroups (DOT) oasen.dyndns.org>/* wrote:> > >> > > My Photosensitivity was there years before any> > abx treatment. Its> > > beginning to get back to normal> > > with help of tetracycline.> > > I have been follow/creating some kind of> method> > to look at the> > > problem from a differnt angel using> > > my skills in control system and problem> solving.> > >> > > I belive that photosensitivity has less with> the> > abx and more with> > > the patogens and control system.> > > Using Very dark glasses(NoIRs) give my a> better> > control over> > > headache and brainfog, NoIR also> > > reduces the 'stress' that is caused be to high> > stimuli input to> > > the sensory system.> > >> > > It's easy to test, it's just to sit indoors> > beside the window with> > > and without the blinds closed.> > > When I get headache I just put on darker> > glasses. Using 2% NoIR> > > when its dark, and you still see enuogh> > > show that the organs(eyes) are functional but> > they get to much> > > 'signal'.> > >> > > The same goes for sound(ears). There is also> all> > the neurological> > > sensors. They are all connected> > > and interact with endo and immun system. To> much> > stimuli and the> > > system can't handle the information.> > >> > > Inflammation and pain puts a high input on> nerv> > ends.> > > Bacteria gives inflammation and pain. Pain> gives> > more inflammation.> > > From a swedish text book on pain (Smärta och> > smärtbehandlig)> > > Pain is the experince and it's also a> > neuroendocine, neurological> > > and immun system influense> > >> > > Beaware that it's possible to learn/program> the> > 'system' to behave> > > in certain way giving stimuli.> > > It's preferable to have some knowledge how you> > are programmed.> > > Technics likes NLP can be used to undo> > > the effects if a person understands what is> > what.> > > This can also be used the other way around,> and> > change the situation.> > >> > > My teori is that to be succesfull in chronic> > illnes you need to> > > handle in parralell> > > Patogen(s)> > > Post-patogens> > > Controll System(Endo, Immun and neuro)> > > behaivor that is negativ for getting> > well(reprogram, beaware that> > > they exist and wht they lead to)> > >> > > All this factors targets your system and> > handling one of them will> > > short term be helpfull.> > > But not achive the desired effekt.> > >> > > It's all about balance, a rebalance can be> done> > BUT balance can't> > > be forced.> > >> > > /Per> > >> >> >> >> >> > --> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 -> > Release Date: 16/06/2006> >> > __________________________________________________>

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I don't think "Herxing" is the explanation for much of the reported reactions from drugs .Much more likely in my estimation is our reduced ability to cope with the metabolising of the drug and the drugs interaction with existing toxins, .Your hunch that the drugs are not processed effectively I think is right. Fungi produce incredibly powerful toxins ..whole systems are knocked out ..it's a particularly nasty vicious circle ....it's also a possibility that you are reacting allergically to the drugs but as Nizorel contains an azole it's unlikely ...

I wouldn't take systemics , I would try and track down the cause of you and your daughter adverse reaction to azoles.

Consider taking Nystatin ,it is not systemic it will only treat the gut I think the drug is duel, being effective against CWD bac & fungi .But nevertheless a reaction or no [bad] reaction will tell a story. It's a very safe drug, doses up to 10,000,000 units [20 tabs a day] have been used ..Testing as per my site is worth considering ..anyway keep us posted ...

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of jellybelly92008Sent: 19 June 2006 01:05infections Subject: [infections] Re: Photosensitivity and tetracycline

, ok, here we go again. You say antifungals are only good and high doses, then maybe you have an idea of why I react the way I do. I have been calling it a herx, but maybe it isn't, if you believe what some here say.I get rather sick on 50mgs. every other day of diflucan. symptoms are just about identical to what happens on the low dose Mino. Sympptoms do not start immediately, but take about 2-3 doses before the inflammation in feet, fatigue, depression and shooting pains start. The near identical same things happens to my daughter. Since we both do have Lyme my LLMD thinks it may have to do with Lyme die off as suspected by that German doctor.I know that I can take Nizorel without having any negative effects. Wonder if my body does not filter these drugs out as well as other people do? I know that Mino has a very long half life. Maybe they accumulate to amounts that are significant enough to do the job. Not that this would be a good thing, if my body is not filtering well. > > >> > > My Photosensitivity was there years before any> > abx treatment. Its> > > beginning to get back to normal> > > with help of tetracycline.> > > I have been follow/creating some kind of method> > to look at the> > > problem from a differnt angel using> > > my skills in control system and problem solving.> > >> > > I belive that photosensitivity has less with the> > abx and more with> > > the patogens and control system.> > > Using Very dark glasses(NoIRs) give my a better> > control over> > > headache and brainfog, NoIR also> > > reduces the 'stress' that is caused be to high> > stimuli input to> > > the sensory system.> > >> > > It's easy to test, it's just to sit indoors> > beside the window with> > > and without the blinds closed.> > > When I get headache I just put on darker> > glasses. Using 2% NoIR> > > when its dark, and you still see enuogh> > > show that the organs(eyes) are functional but> > they get to much> > > 'signal'.> > >> > > The same goes for sound(ears). There is also all> > the neurological> > > sensors. They are all connected> > > and interact with endo and immun system. To much> > stimuli and the> > > system can't handle the information.> > >> > > Inflammation and pain puts a high input on nerv> > ends.> > > Bacteria gives inflammation and pain. Pain gives> > more inflammation.> > > From a swedish text book on pain (Smärta och> > smärtbehandlig)> > > Pain is the experince and it's also a> > neuroendocine, neurological> > > and immun system influense> > >> > > Beaware that it's possible to learn/program the> > 'system' to behave> > > in certain way giving stimuli.> > > It's preferable to have some knowledge how you> > are programmed.> > > Technics likes NLP can be used to undo> > > the effects if a person understands what is> > what.> > > This can also be used the other way around, and> > change the situation.> > >> > > My teori is that to be succesfull in chronic> > illnes you need to> > > handle in parralell> > > Patogen(s)> > > Post-patogens> > > Controll System(Endo, Immun and neuro)> > > behaivor that is negativ for getting> > well(reprogram, beaware that> > > they exist and wht they lead to)> > >> > > All this factors targets your system and> > handling one of them will> > > short term be helpfull.> > > But not achive the desired effekt.> > >> > > It's all about balance, a rebalance can be done> > BUT balance can't> > > be forced.> > >> > > /Per> > >> >> >> >> >> > --> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 -> > Release Date: 16/06/2006> >> > __________________________________________________>

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-----Original Message-----From: Jaep [mailto:Jaep@...]Sent: 19 June 2006 21:16infections Subject: RE: [infections] Re: Photosensitivity and tetracycline

I don't think "Herxing" is the explanation for much of the reported reactions from drugs .Much more likely in my estimation is our reduced ability to cope with the metabolising of the drug and the drugs interaction with existing toxins, .Your hunch that the drugs are not processed effectively I think is right. Fungi produce incredibly powerful toxins ..whole systems are knocked out ..it's a particularly nasty vicious circle ....it's also a possibility that you are reacting allergically to the drugs but as Nizorel contains an azole it's unlikely ...

I wouldn't take systemics , I would try and track down the cause of you and your daughter adverse reaction to azoles.

Consider taking Nystatin ,it is not systemic it will only treat the gut I think the drug is duel, being effective against CWD bac & fungi .But nevertheless a reaction or no [bad] reaction will tell a story. It's a very safe drug, doses up to 10,000,000 units [20 tabs a day] have been used ..Testing as per my site is worth considering ..anyway keep us posted ...

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of jellybelly92008Sent: 19 June 2006 01:05infections Subject: [infections] Re: Photosensitivity and tetracycline

, ok, here we go again. You say antifungals are only good and high doses, then maybe you have an idea of why I react the way I do. I have been calling it a herx, but maybe it isn't, if you believe what some here say.I get rather sick on 50mgs. every other day of diflucan. symptoms are just about identical to what happens on the low dose Mino. Sympptoms do not start immediately, but take about 2-3 doses before the inflammation in feet, fatigue, depression and shooting pains start. The near identical same things happens to my daughter. Since we both do have Lyme my LLMD thinks it may have to do with Lyme die off as suspected by that German doctor.I know that I can take Nizorel without having any negative effects. Wonder if my body does not filter these drugs out as well as other people do? I know that Mino has a very long half life. Maybe they accumulate to amounts that are significant enough to do the job. Not that this would be a good thing, if my body is not filtering well. > > >> > > My Photosensitivity was there years before any> > abx treatment. Its> > > beginning to get back to normal> > > with help of tetracycline.> > > I have been follow/creating some kind of method> > to look at the> > > problem from a differnt angel using> > > my skills in control system and problem solving.> > >> > > I belive that photosensitivity has less with the> > abx and more with> > > the patogens and control system.> > > Using Very dark glasses(NoIRs) give my a better> > control over> > > headache and brainfog, NoIR also> > > reduces the 'stress' that is caused be to high> > stimuli input to> > > the sensory system.> > >> > > It's easy to test, it's just to sit indoors> > beside the window with> > > and without the blinds closed.> > > When I get headache I just put on darker> > glasses. Using 2% NoIR> > > when its dark, and you still see enuogh> > > show that the organs(eyes) are functional but> > they get to much> > > 'signal'.> > >> > > The same goes for sound(ears). There is also all> > the neurological> > > sensors. They are all connected> > > and interact with endo and immun system. To much> > stimuli and the> > > system can't handle the information.> > >> > > Inflammation and pain puts a high input on nerv> > ends.> > > Bacteria gives inflammation and pain. Pain gives> > more inflammation.> > > From a swedish text book on pain (Smärta och> > smärtbehandlig)> > > Pain is the experince and it's also a> > neuroendocine, neurological> > > and immun system influense> > >> > > Beaware that it's possible to learn/program the> > 'system' to behave> > > in certain way giving stimuli.> > > It's preferable to have some knowledge how you> > are programmed.> > > Technics likes NLP can be used to undo> > > the effects if a person understands what is> > what.> > > This can also be used the other way around, and> > change the situation.> > >> > > My teori is that to be succesfull in chronic> > illnes you need to> > > handle in parralell> > > Patogen(s)> > > Post-patogens> > > Controll System(Endo, Immun and neuro)> > > behaivor that is negativ for getting> > well(reprogram, beaware that> > > they exist and wht they lead to)> > >> > > All this factors targets your system and> > handling one of them will> > > short term be helpfull.> > > But not achive the desired effekt.> > >> > > It's all about balance, a rebalance can be done> > BUT balance can't> > > be forced.> > >> > > /Per> > >> >> >> >> >> > --> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 -> > Release Date: 16/06/2006> >> > __________________________________________________>

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If it's a question of your particular P450 enzyme metabolic pathways

in the liver- then you can't get around it.

Barb

> > > > >

> > > > > My Photosensitivity was there years before any

> > > > abx treatment. Its

> > > > > beginning to get back to normal

> > > > > with help of tetracycline.

> > > > > I have been follow/creating some kind of method

> > > > to look at the

> > > > > problem from a differnt angel using

> > > > > my skills in control system and problem solving.

> > > > >

> > > > > I belive that photosensitivity has less with the

> > > > abx and more with

> > > > > the patogens and control system.

> > > > > Using Very dark glasses(NoIRs) give my a better

> > > > control over

> > > > > headache and brainfog, NoIR also

> > > > > reduces the 'stress' that is caused be to high

> > > > stimuli input to

> > > > > the sensory system.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's easy to test, it's just to sit indoors

> > > > beside the window with

> > > > > and without the blinds closed.

> > > > > When I get headache I just put on darker

> > > > glasses. Using 2% NoIR

> > > > > when its dark, and you still see enuogh

> > > > > show that the organs(eyes) are functional but

> > > > they get to much

> > > > > 'signal'.

> > > > >

> > > > > The same goes for sound(ears). There is also all

> > > > the neurological

> > > > > sensors. They are all connected

> > > > > and interact with endo and immun system. To much

> > > > stimuli and the

> > > > > system can't handle the information.

> > > > >

> > > > > Inflammation and pain puts a high input on nerv

> > > > ends.

> > > > > Bacteria gives inflammation and pain. Pain gives

> > > > more inflammation.

> > > > > From a swedish text book on pain (Smärta och

> > > > smärtbehandlig)

> > > > > Pain is the experince and it's also a

> > > > neuroendocine, neurological

> > > > > and immun system influense

> > > > >

> > > > > Beaware that it's possible to learn/program the

> > > > 'system' to behave

> > > > > in certain way giving stimuli.

> > > > > It's preferable to have some knowledge how you

> > > > are programmed.

> > > > > Technics likes NLP can be used to undo

> > > > > the effects if a person understands what is

> > > > what.

> > > > > This can also be used the other way around, and

> > > > change the situation.

> > > > >

> > > > > My teori is that to be succesfull in chronic

> > > > illnes you need to

> > > > > handle in parralell

> > > > > Patogen(s)

> > > > > Post-patogens

> > > > > Controll System(Endo, Immun and neuro)

> > > > > behaivor that is negativ for getting

> > > > well(reprogram, beaware that

> > > > > they exist and wht they lead to)

> > > > >

> > > > > All this factors targets your system and

> > > > handling one of them will

> > > > > short term be helpfull.

> > > > > But not achive the desired effekt.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's all about balance, a rebalance can be done

> > > > BUT balance can't

> > > > > be forced.

> > > > >

> > > > > /Per

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > No virus found in this outgoing message.

> > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.

> > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 -

> > > > Release Date: 16/06/2006

> > > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

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, I agree that what is happening is likely due to the body not

being able to remove " something " . The thing I would like to see

PROOF of is, it my body is unable to cope with the micro doses of

Mino, just a measly 3 times a week(seems insane if I can't even

clear that) OR is my body not able to clear toxins from die off?

Symptoms fit identical with those of a herx. Symptoms do not fit

though with bad reactions to Mino OR Mag.

Apparently no one has any answers or proof to anything we are still

just speculating and so we'll just have to wait.

> > > >

> > > > My Photosensitivity was there years before any

> > > abx treatment. Its

> > > > beginning to get back to normal

> > > > with help of tetracycline.

> > > > I have been follow/creating some kind of method

> > > to look at the

> > > > problem from a differnt angel using

> > > > my skills in control system and problem solving.

> > > >

> > > > I belive that photosensitivity has less with the

> > > abx and more with

> > > > the patogens and control system.

> > > > Using Very dark glasses(NoIRs) give my a better

> > > control over

> > > > headache and brainfog, NoIR also

> > > > reduces the 'stress' that is caused be to high

> > > stimuli input to

> > > > the sensory system.

> > > >

> > > > It's easy to test, it's just to sit indoors

> > > beside the window with

> > > > and without the blinds closed.

> > > > When I get headache I just put on darker

> > > glasses. Using 2% NoIR

> > > > when its dark, and you still see enuogh

> > > > show that the organs(eyes) are functional but

> > > they get to much

> > > > 'signal'.

> > > >

> > > > The same goes for sound(ears). There is also all

> > > the neurological

> > > > sensors. They are all connected

> > > > and interact with endo and immun system. To much

> > > stimuli and the

> > > > system can't handle the information.

> > > >

> > > > Inflammation and pain puts a high input on nerv

> > > ends.

> > > > Bacteria gives inflammation and pain. Pain gives

> > > more inflammation.

> > > > From a swedish text book on pain (Smärta och

> > > smärtbehandlig)

> > > > Pain is the experince and it's also a

> > > neuroendocine, neurological

> > > > and immun system influense

> > > >

> > > > Beaware that it's possible to learn/program the

> > > 'system' to behave

> > > > in certain way giving stimuli.

> > > > It's preferable to have some knowledge how you

> > > are programmed.

> > > > Technics likes NLP can be used to undo

> > > > the effects if a person understands what is

> > > what.

> > > > This can also be used the other way around, and

> > > change the situation.

> > > >

> > > > My teori is that to be succesfull in chronic

> > > illnes you need to

> > > > handle in parralell

> > > > Patogen(s)

> > > > Post-patogens

> > > > Controll System(Endo, Immun and neuro)

> > > > behaivor that is negativ for getting

> > > well(reprogram, beaware that

> > > > they exist and wht they lead to)

> > > >

> > > > All this factors targets your system and

> > > handling one of them will

> > > > short term be helpfull.

> > > > But not achive the desired effekt.

> > > >

> > > > It's all about balance, a rebalance can be done

> > > BUT balance can't

> > > > be forced.

> > > >

> > > > /Per

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.

> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.

> > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 -

> > > Release Date: 16/06/2006

> > >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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Jelly,

Are you still taking Benicar?

Why don’t you just quit the

minocycline and move on to Zithromax or clindamycin?

a

, I agree that what is happening is likely due to

the body not

being able to remove " something " . The thing I would like to see

PROOF of is, it my body is unable to cope with the micro doses of

Mino, just a measly 3 times a week(seems

insane if I can't even

clear that) OR is my body not able to clear toxins from die off?

Symptoms fit identical with those of a herx. Symptoms do not fit

though with bad reactions to Mino OR Mag.

Apparently no one has any answers or proof to anything we are still

just speculating and so we'll just have to wait.

[Guest guest]

No, on the Benicar. Have never taken Zithro and isn't Chlyndamyacin,

Biaxin? If so, Biaxin is known to cause heart issues, and with my

history scares me a lot.

I am not sure why I would quit Mino, when it seems to be working.

I'm not just talking about the negative symptoms which if you

believe it is a herx, then it's a good sign. I'm talking about the

decrease in all of my sypmtoms. I am trying to approach the Mino

slowly and keep things down to a low roar and I am still getting

better.

I am up to 10 mgs now, well it's just my first dose and I'm not

doing to bad on day 2, but I was already on 10 before my last break

so it may take some time to work it's way up to making me

uncomfortable. Seems it takes about 2-3 weeks before I can ramp up

again.

I do plan on trying Zithro and the others like flagyl eventually. I

am really going to try and do this for several months this time.

Benicar hit me real hard, and I can not do the cave dwelling. So

until cave dwelling isn't needed and possibly lower doses of Benicar

are acceptable, I'll just wait.

I found something intersting about Benicar and heparin. You know how

trevor was so against heparin. Well one reason may be that heparin

also blocks angiotensin. Maybe part of the reason I have done so

well without tons of ABX, that is if the angiotensin thing holds

water across the board with these chronic illnesses. Just thought

that was kind of interesting.

Are you still using it, and if so, how are you doing?

>

> Jelly,

>

> Are you still taking Benicar?

>

>

>

> Why don't you just quit the minocycline and move on to Zithromax or

> clindamycin?

>

>

>

> a

>

> , I agree that what is happening is likely due to the body not

> being able to remove " something " . The thing I would like to see

> PROOF of is, it my body is unable to cope with the micro doses of

> Mino, just a measly 3 times a week(seems insane if I can't even

> clear that) OR is my body not able to clear toxins from die off?

> Symptoms fit identical with those of a herx. Symptoms do not fit

> though with bad reactions to Mino OR Mag.

>

> Apparently no one has any answers or proof to anything we are

still

> just speculating and so we'll just have to wait.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Jelly,

Am hesitating to jump in on this thread, much has already been said on herxing. I came upon an article about herxing that seems to give quite specific indications about what it is. Maybe this can be of some use to you, if you have not already seen it.

http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/29/6/613

In it, they state "The reaction consists of a sudden rise, then more gradual fall in body temperature; a transient rise followed by a more profound fall in blood pressure and worsening of constitutional symptoms."

I don't know if this fits in with your reaction, just wanted to throw it out. When I was taking minocycline (100 mg), I did have low body temperature, but I never saw the sudden rise. Did have big drops in blood pressure, though.

Carole

--- In infections , "jellybelly92008" <herranenb@..> >, I agree that what is happening is likely due to the body not being able to remove "something". The thing I would like to see PROOF of is, it my body is unable to cope with the micro doses of Mino, just a measly 3 times a week(seems insane if I can't even clear that) OR is my body not able to clear toxins from die off? Symptoms fit identical with those of a herx. Symptoms do not fit though with bad reactions to Mino OR Mag.> Apparently no one has any answers or proof to anything we are still just speculating and so we'll just have to wait.

[Guest guest]

Good article. Now I just hope people will read it. Thanks, Carole. pennycarolesierpien <sierpien@...> wrote: Hello Jelly, Am hesitating to jump in on this thread, much has already been said on herxing. I came upon an article about herxing that seems to give quite specific indications about what it is. Maybe this can be of some use to you, if you have not already seen it. http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/29/6/613 In it, they state "The reaction consists of a sudden rise, then more gradual fall in body temperature; a transient rise followed by a more profound fall in blood pressure and worsening of constitutional symptoms." I don't know if this fits in with your reaction, just wanted to throw it out. When I was taking minocycline (100 mg), I did have low body temperature, but I never saw the sudden rise. Did have big drops in blood pressure, though. Carole --- In infections , "jellybelly92008" <herranenb@..> >, I agree that what is happening is likely due to the body not being able to remove "something". The thing I would like to see PROOF of is, it my body is unable to cope with the micro doses of Mino, just a measly 3 times a week(seems insane if I

can't even clear that) OR is my body not able to clear toxins from die off? Symptoms fit identical with those of a herx. Symptoms do not fit though with bad reactions to Mino OR Mag.> Apparently no one has any answers or proof to anything we are still just speculating and so we'll just have to wait.

[Guest guest]

This is a bit of a puzzle our illness. With me no question, lower dose = increased infection...I think you need more experimenting more probing. If we take an assumption & then try and prove or disprove that assumption ..Lets start with the gut ,lets check that out first, As I have said Nystan remains in the gut so reactions to the drug are more explainable . Lets say you take a realistic trial dose in line with a long standing fungal infection ,say 12 /15 tabs a day for a week Quite safe, the drug is virtually non toxic..If you get no reaction ,that's news , a negative reaction could be your actual Herx ,toxins released into the blood stream . If it is then with subsequent treatments the herx will diminish as the infectious load is diminished with the drug ..remember its a poison not an allergic reaction and the gut bugs are getatable. A positive reaction is still tells a story , Take it from there. Once you have a clearer picture then look to probing metaboic pathways ..Yes?

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of jellybelly92008Sent: 21 June 2006 15:16infections Subject: [infections] Re: Photosensitivity and tetracycline

, I agree that what is happening is likely due to the body not being able to remove "something". The thing I would like to see PROOF of is, it my body is unable to cope with the micro doses of Mino, just a measly 3 times a week(seems insane if I can't even clear that) OR is my body not able to clear toxins from die off? Symptoms fit identical with those of a herx. Symptoms do not fit though with bad reactions to Mino OR Mag.Apparently no one has any answers or proof to anything we are still just speculating and so we'll just have to wait. > > > >> > > > My Photosensitivity was there years before any> > > abx treatment. Its> > > > beginning to get back to normal> > > > with help of tetracycline.> > > > I have been follow/creating some kind of method> > > to look at the> > > > problem from a differnt angel using> > > > my skills in control system and problem solving.> > > >> > > > I belive that photosensitivity has less with the> > > abx and more with> > > > the patogens and control system.> > > > Using Very dark glasses(NoIRs) give my a better> > > control over> > > > headache and brainfog, NoIR also> > > > reduces the 'stress' that is caused be to high> > > stimuli input to> > > > the sensory system.> > > >> > > > It's easy to test, it's just to sit indoors> > > beside the window with> > > > and without the blinds closed.> > > > When I get headache I just put on darker> > > glasses. Using 2% NoIR> > > > when its dark, and you still see enuogh> > > > show that the organs(eyes) are functional but> > > they get to much> > > > 'signal'.> > > >> > > > The same goes for sound(ears). There is also all> > > the neurological> > > > sensors. They are all connected> > > > and interact with endo and immun system. To much> > > stimuli and the> > > > system can't handle the information.> > > >> > > > Inflammation and pain puts a high input on nerv> > > ends.> > > > Bacteria gives inflammation and pain. Pain gives> > > more inflammation.> > > > From a swedish text book on pain (Smärta och> > > smärtbehandlig)> > > > Pain is the experince and it's also a> > > neuroendocine, neurological> > > > and immun system influense> > > >> > > > Beaware that it's possible to learn/program the> > > 'system' to behave> > > > in certain way giving stimuli.> > > > It's preferable to have some knowledge how you> > > are programmed.> > > > Technics likes NLP can be used to undo> > > > the effects if a person understands what is> > > what.> > > > This can also be used the other way around, and> > > change the situation.> > > >> > > > My teori is that to be succesfull in chronic> > > illnes you need to> > > > handle in parralell> > > > Patogen(s)> > > > Post-patogens> > > > Controll System(Endo, Immun and neuro)> > > > behaivor that is negativ for getting> > > well(reprogram, beaware that> > > > they exist and wht they lead to)> > > >> > > > All this factors targets your system and> > > handling one of them will> > > > short term be helpfull.> > > > But not achive the desired effekt.> > > >> > > > It's all about balance, a rebalance can be done> > > BUT balance can't> > > > be forced.> > > >> > > > /Per> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 -> > > Release Date: 16/06/2006> > >> >> > __________________________________________________> >