Guest guest Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 sounds like fungi\ bleu On 17 Jun 2006, at 16:43, jellybelly92008 wrote: > I don't have your typical symptoms of sinus infection like my > husband, I don't even have symptoms like my daughter had and hers > were not typical either. I do have a lot of puffiness around my > eyes. When I rub my eye, I can hear things squishing behind my eye, > and oddly enough I produce no boggies at all. I think all of these > things are very odd. Do they scream infection, not really. I do have > drainage down my throat, and interestingly enough it gets worse when > I take my micro mino. Does it hurt, not at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 have you had your sinuses scanned? All that squishiness and drainage sounds like something other than air, which is the only thing that's supposed to be there. penny --- Colourbleu <colourbleu@...> wrote: > sounds like fungi\ > > bleu > On 17 Jun 2006, at 16:43, jellybelly92008 wrote: > > > I don't have your typical symptoms of sinus > infection like my > > husband, I don't even have symptoms like my > daughter had and hers > > were not typical either. I do have a lot of > puffiness around my > > eyes. When I rub my eye, I can hear things > squishing behind my eye, > > and oddly enough I produce no boggies at all. I > think all of these > > things are very odd. Do they scream infection, > not really. I do have > > drainage down my throat, and interestingly enough > it gets worse when > > I take my micro mino. Does it hurt, not at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 I have never had a CT for specifically my sinuses, but I have had my head scanned. Would they have been able to see anything then or would it have to be set to focus on my sinuses alone? > > > > > I don't have your typical symptoms of sinus > > infection like my > > > husband, I don't even have symptoms like my > > daughter had and hers > > > were not typical either. I do have a lot of > > puffiness around my > > > eyes. When I rub my eye, I can hear things > > squishing behind my eye, > > > and oddly enough I produce no boggies at all. I > > think all of these > > > things are very odd. Do they scream infection, > > not really. I do have > > > drainage down my throat, and interestingly enough > > it gets worse when > > > I take my micro mino. Does it hurt, not at all. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Need sinus scans specifically. pennyjellybelly92008 <herranenb@...> wrote: I have never had a CT for specifically my sinuses, but I have had my head scanned. Would they have been able to see anything then or would it have to be set to focus on my sinuses alone?> > > > > I don't have your typical symptoms of sinus> > infection like my> > > husband, I don't even have symptoms like my> > daughter had and hers> > > were not typical either. I do have a lot of> > puffiness around my> > > eyes. When I rub my eye, I can hear things> > squishing behind my eye,> > > and oddly enough I produce no boggies at all. I> > think all of these> > > things are very odd. Do they scream infection,> > not really. I do have> > > drainage down my throat, and interestingly enough> > it gets worse when> > > I take my micro mino. Does it hurt, not at all.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 I had a ct scan, found little and I was caked in snot. The nose op cleared much but not as much as sinufed, the biggest impact on the sinuses have been over the last 7 months, bleu On 19 Jun 2006, at 03:41, jellybelly92008 wrote: > I have never had a CT for specifically my sinuses, but I have had my > head scanned. Would they have been able to see anything then or > would it have to be set to focus on my sinuses alone? > > > > > > > > > I don't have your typical symptoms of sinus > > > infection like my > > > > husband, I don't even have symptoms like my > > > daughter had and hers > > > > were not typical either. I do have a lot of > > > puffiness around my > > > > eyes. When I rub my eye, I can hear things > > > squishing behind my eye, > > > > and oddly enough I produce no boggies at all. I > > > think all of these > > > > things are very odd. Do they scream infection, > > > not really. I do have > > > > drainage down my throat, and interestingly enough > > > it gets worse when > > > > I take my micro mino. Does it hurt, not at all. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Yeah, I just cringe when I see people talking about "herxing" from whey protein and salt and a host of other things. There are all kinds of documented drug reactions, but our community has decided to categorize every discomfort as a "herx". I fear we're losing our focus more every day. penny Jaep <Jaep@...> wrote: I don't think "Herxing" is the explanation for much of the reportedreactions from drugs .Much more likely in my estimation is our reducedability to cope with the metabolising of the drug and the drugs interactionwith existing toxins, .Your hunch that the drugs are not processedeffectively I think is right. Fungi produce incredibly powerful toxins..whole systems are knocked out ..it's a particularly nasty vicious circle....it's also a possibility that you are reacting allergically to the drugsbut as Nizorel contains an azole it's unlikely ...I wouldn't take systemics , I would try and track down the cause of you andyour daughter adverse reaction to azoles.Consider taking Nystatin ,it is not systemic it will only treat the gut Ithink the drug is duel, being effective against CWD bac & fungi .Butnevertheless a reaction or no [bad] reaction will tell a story. It's a verysafe drug, doses up to 10,000,000 units [20 tabs a day] are commonly used..Testing as per my site is worth considering ..anyway keep us posted...--No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 You guys will all cringe at this. I just got an email from someone saying that they think rhabdomyolysis symptoms from Benicar are a herx. That’s a pretty scary assumption when you realize the FDA actually put this warning on the label. We know the FDA never puts a warning on drugs until someone, what, dies from it? a Yeah, I just cringe when I see people talking about " herxing " from whey protein and salt and a host of other things. There are all kinds of documented drug reactions, but our community has decided to categorize every discomfort as a " herx " . I fear we're losing our focus more every day. penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Penny, let me ask you this. I was started on a new form of magnesium. I was supposed to ramp up up, but because I had already been taking huge amounts of mag, decided to just go for the whole dose right from the start. Next day, I experienced herx like symptoms. Didn't make any connection at first, but after a couple of days, feeling cruddy, I got an idea that maybe it was the mag. so I stopped. Cruddy feeling vanished in a couple of days. About a week later, tried it again, exact same thing, stopped, it went away. Ramped up since to that dose and no problem. Since then, I have read that there are specialists who believe that you can indeed herx off of mag. The reason being that it helps your body do what it should, it functions better. Other then this, I have never read of any negative side effects expected from magnesium other then the runs. Maybe you have, but in this case maybe it isn't a negative reaction, but actually a herx. Proof otherwise??? > > > I don't think " Herxing " is the explanation for much of the reported > reactions from drugs .Much more likely in my estimation is our reduced > ability to cope with the metabolising of the drug and the drugs interaction > with existing toxins, .Your hunch that the drugs are not processed > effectively I think is right. Fungi produce incredibly powerful toxins > ..whole systems are knocked out ..it's a particularly nasty vicious circle > ....it's also a possibility that you are reacting allergically to the drugs > but as Nizorel contains an azole it's unlikely ... > > I wouldn't take systemics , I would try and track down the cause of you and > your daughter adverse reaction to azoles. > > Consider taking Nystatin ,it is not systemic it will only treat the gut I > think the drug is duel, being effective against CWD bac & fungi .But > nevertheless a reaction or no [bad] reaction will tell a story. It's a very > safe drug, doses up to 10,000,000 units [20 tabs a day] are commonly used > ..Testing as per my site is worth considering ..anyway keep us posted > ... > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/2006 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Apparently, there are quite a few things that can potentially cause rhabdomyolysis: Medications and Toxic Substances That Increase the Risk of Rhabdomyolysis Direct myotoxicity HMG-CoA reductase inhibitors, especially in combination with fibrate-derived lipid-lowering agents such as niacin (nicotinic acid; Nicolar) Cyclosporine (Sandimmune) Itraconazole (Sporanox) Erythromycin Colchicine Zidovudine (Retrovir) Corticosteroids Indirect muscle damage Alcohol Central nervous system depressants Cocaine Amphetamine Ecstasy (MDMA) LSD Neuromuscular blocking agents http://www.aafp.org/afp/20020301/907.htmla Carnes <pj7@...> wrote: You guys will all cringe at this. I just got an email from someone saying that they think rhabdomyolysis symptoms from Benicar are a herx. That’s a pretty scary assumption when you realize the FDA actually put this warning on the label. We know the FDA never puts a warning on drugs until someone, what, dies from it? a Yeah, I just cringe when I see people talking about "herxing" from whey protein and salt and a host of other things. There are all kinds of documented drug reactions, but our community has decided to categorize every discomfort as a "herx". I fear we're losing our focus more every day. penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Oy. It's not part of the scientific process to disprove theories that haven't yet been supported with any kind of actual evidence. Theorizing is fine, but all this speculation on herxing is just muddying the waters. Even when there's no direct evidence to support a herx, it's become a kind of folklore explantion for every puzzling or uncomfortable reaction. Then people (like you) keep perpetuating an unproven theory as if it's fact and you can't substantiate it at all. Read the magnesium guys' site. All kinds of different things can happen with the different kinds of magnesium. Depends on what kinds of additives they may have, or which type of magnesium it is, and which deficiencies you may have. I pretty much stick with magnesium glycinate because it's been by far the best choice for me (I chose it after reading this guys stuff years ago, and for me he was right). Same with a friend of mine, who hadn't had much luck with mag until trying the glycinate. You can't just designate every weird reaction as a "herx". penny jellybelly92008 <herranenb@...> wrote: Penny, let me ask you this. I was started on a new form of magnesium. I was supposed to ramp up up, but because I had already been taking huge amounts of mag, decided to just go for the whole dose right from the start.Next day, I experienced herx like symptoms. Didn't make any connection at first, but after a couple of days, feeling cruddy, I got an idea that maybe it was the mag. so I stopped. Cruddy feeling vanished in a couple of days. About a week later, tried it again, exact same thing, stopped, it went away. Ramped up since to that dose and no problem.Since then, I have read that there are specialists who believe that you can indeed herx off of mag. The reason being that it helps your body do what it should, it functions better. Other then this, I have never read of any negative side effects expected from magnesium other then the runs. Maybe you have, but in this case maybe it isn't a negative reaction, but actually a herx. Proof otherwise??? > > > I don't think "Herxing" is the explanation for much of the reported> reactions from drugs .Much more likely in my estimation is our reduced> ability to cope with the metabolising of the drug and the drugs interaction> with existing toxins, .Your hunch that the drugs are not processed> effectively I think is right. Fungi produce incredibly powerful toxins> ..whole systems are knocked out ..it's a particularly nasty vicious circle> ....it's also a possibility that you are reacting allergically to the drugs> but as Nizorel contains an azole it's unlikely ...> > I wouldn't take systemics , I would try and track down the cause of you and> your daughter adverse reaction to azoles.> > Consider taking Nystatin ,it is not systemic it will only treat the gut I> think the drug is duel, being effective against CWD bac & fungi .But> nevertheless a reaction or no [bad] reaction will tell a story. It's a very> safe drug, doses up to 10,000,000 units [20 tabs a day] are commonly used> ..Testing as per my site is worth considering ..anyway keep us posted> ...> > --> No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/2006> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Incredable that is what my father is suffering from.' I would also say he's herxing, but the muscle wastage and general physical apperance conivnces me otherwise.This herx nonsense is so how out of touch people are with there real ilness and what needs doing. tony > > You guys will all cringe at this. I just got an email from someone saying > that they think rhabdomyolysis symptoms from Benicar are a herx. That's a > pretty scary assumption when you realize the FDA actually put this warning > on the label. We know the FDA never puts a warning on drugs until someone, > what, dies from it? > > > > a > > > > > > Yeah, I just cringe when I see people talking about " herxing " from whey > protein and salt and a host of other things. There are all kinds of > documented drug reactions, but our community has decided to categorize every > discomfort as a " herx " . > > > > I fear we're losing our focus more every day. > > > > penny > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 I'm sorry to hear of your dad's condition, but I don't see how it is relevant to what is happening to me. I am from from wasting away at this point. > > > > You guys will all cringe at this. I just got an email from someone > saying > > that they think rhabdomyolysis symptoms from Benicar are a herx. > That's a > > pretty scary assumption when you realize the FDA actually put this > warning > > on the label. We know the FDA never puts a warning on drugs until > someone, > > what, dies from it? > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I just cringe when I see people talking about " herxing " from > whey > > protein and salt and a host of other things. There are all kinds of > > documented drug reactions, but our community has decided to > categorize every > > discomfort as a " herx " . > > > > > > > > I fear we're losing our focus more every day. > > > > > > > > penny > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 This Rhabdomyolysis can also be due to infection and toxic shock. In a herx, isn't a toxic environment due to die off the cause?? When it comes to alcohol causing this, I think " alcoholism " is the issue, not just moderate drinking. Many of the drugs it talks about are those which are abused. Even excercise can cause this, but it is in EXTREME situations. If I was taking enough mag to cause Rhabdomyolysis then I don't see where I would eventually be able tolerate it AND eventually feel better. I do see though where toxins from die off could cause this. I don't know that any of us are wasting away though during what seems like a herx. My muscles don't seem to be dieing, but rather they are improving after I stop the ABX. I don't have and neveer have had coke colored pee. I do see how you might think this could apply, but it seems like a much further stretch then calling what I experience a herx. You guys will all cringe at this. I just got an email from someone saying that they think rhabdomyolysis symptoms from Benicar are a herx. That's a pretty scary assumption when you realize the FDA actually put this warning on the label. We know the FDA never puts a warning on drugs until someone, what, dies from it? > > a > > > Yeah, I just cringe when I see people talking about " herxing " from whey protein and salt and a host of other things. There are all kinds of documented drug reactions, but our community has decided to categorize every discomfort as a " herx " . > > > > I fear we're losing our focus more every day. > > > > penny > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Not every weird reaction Penny, just the ones that fit with the definition of a herx, and when taking meds that are intended to destroy the infection. My experience with Benicar, I do not believe to be a herx. My experience with Plaquanil, I do not believe to be a herx. My experience with Mino never was and still is not like what you have experienced which may not have been aherx and was just what you think it was, a bad reaction. My references to mag are not based on what the mag guy says, although he does have some really good info. > > > > > > I don't think " Herxing " is the explanation for much of the reported > > reactions from drugs .Much more likely in my estimation is our > reduced > > ability to cope with the metabolising of the drug and the drugs > interaction > > with existing toxins, .Your hunch that the drugs are not processed > > effectively I think is right. Fungi produce incredibly powerful > toxins > > ..whole systems are knocked out ..it's a particularly nasty > vicious circle > > ....it's also a possibility that you are reacting allergically to > the drugs > > but as Nizorel contains an azole it's unlikely ... > > > > I wouldn't take systemics , I would try and track down the cause > of you and > > your daughter adverse reaction to azoles. > > > > Consider taking Nystatin ,it is not systemic it will only treat > the gut I > > think the drug is duel, being effective against CWD bac & > fungi .But > > nevertheless a reaction or no [bad] reaction will tell a story. > It's a very > > safe drug, doses up to 10,000,000 units [20 tabs a day] are > commonly used > > ..Testing as per my site is worth considering ..anyway keep us > posted > > ... > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: > 19/06/2006 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Jelly, sometimes it seems you're bent on misunderstanding. I'm not talking about the mag guy either. He's an innocent bystander. Now that you're saying even magnesium gives you a " herx " (as if this is a reasonable assertion), the reference I made was to illustrate the numerous possible reasons for reactions (which his site happens to explain). There's no evidence that I know of that magnesium is used as an antimicrobial or could cause an authentic " herx " . At this point, I almost feel the word " herx " needs to be banned. The extreme to which it's being abused is detrimental to people's health. penny > > Not every weird reaction Penny, just the ones that fit with the > definition of a herx, and when taking meds that are intended to > destroy the infection. My experience with Benicar, I do not believe > to be a herx. My experience with Plaquanil, I do not believe to be a > herx. My experience with Mino never was and still is not like what > you have experienced which may not have been aherx and was just what > you think it was, a bad reaction. > > My references to mag are not based on what the mag guy says, > although he does have some really good info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Jelly Your whole intention of visiting this site recently was to have a pow wow with some of what's being going on with youreslf- WE JUST GAVBE YOU FOOD FOR THOUIGHT.This site has been quick to point the finger with spastic protocols that are scientifically flawed-One was with the drink the cool aid forum and the bagwana himself.I don't know if you noticed the remnarkable progress promised is still a pathetic pipedream and even the hotess with the mostest, still has the mostest.The big promise of drink the cool aid to get herxing was the first hurdle that didn't add up. The first few drinks of the cool aid provided inflammation relief and no herxing, then the inflammation relief disapopeared and all that was left was a promise that doesn't mature.(in my own case) > > > > > > You guys will all cringe at this. I just got an email from > someone > > saying > > > that they think rhabdomyolysis symptoms from Benicar are a herx. > > That's a > > > pretty scary assumption when you realize the FDA actually put > this > > warning > > > on the label. We know the FDA never puts a warning on drugs > until > > someone, > > > what, dies from it? > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I just cringe when I see people talking about " herxing " > from > > whey > > > protein and salt and a host of other things. There are all kinds > of > > > documented drug reactions, but our community has decided to > > categorize every > > > discomfort as a " herx " . > > > > > > > > > > > > I fear we're losing our focus more every day. > > > > > > > > > > > > penny > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Jelly: I think your mind may be made up on this one, and I think there's no changing it come hell or high water.. I've been studying minerals for about 10 years, and have never run across any evidence that ingesting magnesium results in a herx-heimer reaction. If you have any information other wise, I'd dearly love to read it. Please read the list of side effects for a magnesium overdose: http://health./drug/d03797a1 You are mis-understanding the meaning of herx, and you are using the term incorrctly. There have been many attempts here to provide you with the literature and materials for education on this topic, but you still insist that you are herxing almost every time you feel crappy. I think it is an attractive idea to beleive that certain substances are so powerfull that they can elicit the response you desire to validate your beleif in the first place... and that's maybe where your mind is on this topic. Using the term the way you are... I suspect you'll go right on thinking you're herxing several times per week for the next several years... Bab Jelly wrote: Since then, I have read that there are specialists who believe that you can indeed herx off of mag. The reason being that it helps your body do what it should, it functions better. Other then this, I have never read of any negative side effects expected from magnesium other then the runs. Maybe you have, but in this case maybe it isn't a negative reaction, but actually a herx. Proof otherwise??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Well there you go. I'm not surprised. No wonder why Drs. tell people to stay away from the internet. It's especially easy to make people beleive something incorrectly, when they don't have any education in biology, or chemistry when they are desperately searcing for something- anything to make them feel better. This all started from that bastardization of " you have to feel worse before you feel better " . Barb > > You guys will all cringe at this. I just got an email from someone saying > that they think rhabdomyolysis symptoms from Benicar are a herx. That's a > pretty scary assumption when you realize the FDA actually put this warning > on the label. We know the FDA never puts a warning on drugs until someone, > what, dies from it? > > > > a > > > > > > Yeah, I just cringe when I see people talking about " herxing " from whey > protein and salt and a host of other things. There are all kinds of > documented drug reactions, but our community has decided to categorize every > discomfort as a " herx " . > > > > I fear we're losing our focus more every day. > > > > penny > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 There ya go Tony, as if you and Penny who are the only ones capable of giving " reasonable " food for thought. EVEN you have concrete evidence of NOTHING, just supposition. Just because there is no proof that people herx on magnesium is NOT proof that it isn't in fact herxing. Just because there is no proof people herx on micro doses of Mino DOES NOT mean they are not really herxing. The proof is in the puddin'.....it's called WELLNESS. I came here looking for anything anyone one would know about what was happening to me and others. It was FOOD FOR THOUGHT. What I got was " some " insisting that this could not be a herx, which would be due to die off. Well if I am not having die off, then why am I getting well???? FOOD FOR THOUGHT!!! You have your agenda and in your opinion that is the only thing that makes any sense. EVERY single time I come to this board, people are pissed at you. Same people here that can tolerate your battering, the rest don't hang around. Some really great minds just move on. I am not looking to discuss all my symptoms, but when others ask questions or make points, I wonder how this fits with what has happened to me and I ask or respond. What you bring up in your typical sarcastic manner about your dad and suggesting that must be a herx too. Give me a break Tony!!! You REALLY think we are all idiots don't you. > > > > > > > > You guys will all cringe at this. I just got an email from > > someone > > > saying > > > > that they think rhabdomyolysis symptoms from Benicar are a > herx. > > > That's a > > > > pretty scary assumption when you realize the FDA actually put > > this > > > warning > > > > on the label. We know the FDA never puts a warning on drugs > > until > > > someone, > > > > what, dies from it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I just cringe when I see people talking about " herxing " > > from > > > whey > > > > protein and salt and a host of other things. There are all > kinds > > of > > > > documented drug reactions, but our community has decided to > > > categorize every > > > > discomfort as a " herx " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fear we're losing our focus more every day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Jelly: Don't leave the list in a huff!. The people on this list do have strong opinions, do alot of research, usually applying it to themselves- and sifting out what works for them and what doesn't. They were thwy're own main hand in getting themselves where they are on the road to well-ness. We talk about our opinions and how we formed those opinions.. and we don't always agree amongst ourselves. We might get testy with one another, but we all have pretty thick skins- meaning we do not take things personally when we disagree. Low abx usage causing microbial resistance is a hot topic.. Herx is a hot topic.. so you have to be able to tolerate the heat if you're going to enter these discussions. This list will still be here should you want to come back with more info on herxing at low dose abx. Barb > > > > > > > > > > You guys will all cringe at this. I just got an email from > > > someone > > > > saying > > > > > that they think rhabdomyolysis symptoms from Benicar are a > > herx. > > > > That's a > > > > > pretty scary assumption when you realize the FDA actually > put > > > this > > > > warning > > > > > on the label. We know the FDA never puts a warning on drugs > > > until > > > > someone, > > > > > what, dies from it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I just cringe when I see people talking > about " herxing " > > > from > > > > whey > > > > > protein and salt and a host of other things. There are all > > kinds > > > of > > > > > documented drug reactions, but our community has decided to > > > > categorize every > > > > > discomfort as a " herx " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fear we're losing our focus more every day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Barb, I don't go off in a huff, think that is pretty obvious. I am tiring of this conversation though, as I am sure we all are. We are getting no where with each other on this particular topic. Maybe we have left each other with some things to think about and maybe at some later time one of us will have an ah-ha moment when thinking back on this discussion. But for now I think we have beaten the dead horse enough. I don't get testy about to much of anything, I can tell there are people here getting testy though just because they have not changed my mind on herxing, so it is time to change the subject. I don't get irritated because I can't change anyone's mind. There is one thing that really does get " me " annoyed though and it is when people are bent on insulting others. I sit here in shear amazement when someone says, " don't bother replying, I don't feel like being insulted right now " . Then the person who this is directed at, can't take the clue. In my world there is no need to insult when trying to make a point. It serves absolutely no purpose other then to drive people away. That would be a really unfortunate thing, because this person might really have some things of value to say, and no one will hear them, because they've driven everyone away. The heat isn't bothering me, I'm just getting tired of having to say the same things over and over, in part because people aren'r really listening to what I am saying. > > > > > > > > > > > > You guys will all cringe at this. I just got an email from > > > > someone > > > > > saying > > > > > > that they think rhabdomyolysis symptoms from Benicar are a > > > herx. > > > > > That's a > > > > > > pretty scary assumption when you realize the FDA actually > > put > > > > this > > > > > warning > > > > > > on the label. We know the FDA never puts a warning on drugs > > > > until > > > > > someone, > > > > > > what, dies from it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I just cringe when I see people talking > > about " herxing " > > > > from > > > > > whey > > > > > > protein and salt and a host of other things. There are all > > > kinds > > > > of > > > > > > documented drug reactions, but our community has decided to > > > > > categorize every > > > > > > discomfort as a " herx " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fear we're losing our focus more every day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > penny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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