Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 I tend to agree 100% with you. I used to think genetics played a roll in how our illnesses manifest, but my opinion may be changing. Now I am wondering if it is just more where the bugs migrate to, where do they settle in that may get you whatever symptoms. My mom with MS diagnosis may have had things settle in her spine. Me, it seems to have hit my central nervous system more. My dad with a Lupus diagnosis, it seemed to go to his joints and heart. Genetics....I'm thinking maybe not. Wonder how many illnesses this will eventually cover? > > > Mothers and mothers ***only*** , chronic fatigue & depression linked to > their children's CFS . > I do make the association in my web site ..I see the same old explanation > " genetics " it's not genetics it's an infectious link. one day they will find > the gene that compels doctors to blame genes for every medical > condition … > > > > http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm? ID=7170 & Reviewed=YES > > Strong Maternal Connection Identified for Adolescents with CFS by Editor > ImmuneSupport.com > > 06-20-2006 > > Note: This article includes our follow-up suggestions regarding its > implications for families in which a mother is diagnosed with CFS. > > Mothers of adolescents diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) were > 5.3 times more likely to report fatigue, and 8.4 times more likely to report > depression than mothers of healthy adolescents, according to a cross-section > study conducted by physicians at Utrecht University Medical Center in the > Netherlands and reported in the June 2006 issue of the journal Pediatrics. > Mean overall statistics indicate the CFS-patient mothers differed from > mothers of healthy youngsters " on all measurements of fatigue and > fatigue-associated symptoms, including sleep. " And 9 of the 40 CFS- patient > mothers (roughly 22 percent) " fulfilled CDC criteria for CFS. " Importantly, > no such association was found for the fathers of the CFS and healthy > adolescent study cohorts. > Overall, the study seems to add a piece to the body of knowledge regarding > the etiology of CFS, while also generating a host of new issues to be > investigated. > The findings expand upon those of other studies, including for example a > major twin study " confirming the familial aggregation of CFS and suggesting > that genes may play a role, " and CFS " subjects' reports of illness in first > degree relatives, " suggesting that relatives of patients with CFS had > significantly higher rates of CFS than relatives of patients " with another > chronic illness. " > The authors suggest their study may be the first to discriminate between the > incidence of CFS symptoms in CFS subjects' mothers and fathers. And they > conclude that " the clustering of symptoms in mother and child suggests > genetic transfer and gene-environment interaction. " Specifically, it " may > point to a gene-environment interaction in which the child not only inherits > the genetic characteristics of the mother, but these maternal > characteristics also function as environment factors for the child. " > Study Design The study involved 40 adolescents diagnosed with CFS according > to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention criteria, and their mothers > and fathers; as well as a healthy control cohort of 36 adolescents and their > mothers and fathers. The groups were closely matched for gender composition, > number of siblings, ages (12 to 18, average age 16), and intact families. > All completed Checklist Individual Strength (CIS) questionnaires regarding > fatigue, Symptom Checklist-90 questionnaires covering fatigue- associated > symptoms and psychopathology, and various other measurement tools. > For more information on this study, see the original article " Mirrored > Symptoms in Mother and Child With Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, " by Elise M. van > de Putte, MD, et al., in the June 2006 issue of the journal Pediatrics, at > http://pediatrics.aappublications.org > What Does This Mean For You? > 1. Families in which the mother suffers from CFS should be alert to symptoms > of CFS in their teenaged and young adult children, as the genetic component > and interaction with a CFS sufferer may combine to bring on symptoms earlier > among children who are susceptible. > 2. Many symptoms of CFS, such as fatigue, sleep problems, and depression can > be maked or mimicked by normal teenage behaviors and lifestyles. Knowing > that CFS may be genetic can lead to earlier identification, diagnosis, and > treatment to improve outcomes and quality of life for the family. > 3. Patients need to be aware that the symptoms manifested by the mother may > increase the symptoms of the teenager through their interactions. The > additional physical and emotional stress of CFS in a parent may accentuate > the symptoms in the child, in both the short and long term. > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/2006 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 HeyLady The aussie pain in the ass is trying to get you to think LIKE THIS instead of carrying on like one of the disciples over at the unnamed forum.One thing that I am passionate about is to look at what your battles are so that you understand how big your problem is and what you need to do. The rest of the stuff your accusing me of is just plain why people are stuck, cause they ain't got the guts and determination that I supply often with my passionate posts that see's people get well and go places.My attitude drives me in all my doctors appoinytments all my pathology requests and follow ups and half a dozen other push and shoves that you haven't a clue about. Imagine I even communicate with people's american doctors and the doctors like me and my advise- I must be doing something right eh. You actuallyt took to this post- like the direction I was pushing you towards. So indirectly I may have given you a lightbulb moment. > > > > > > Mothers and mothers ***only*** , chronic fatigue & depression > linked to > > their children's CFS . > > I do make the association in my web site ..I see the same old > explanation > > " genetics " it's not genetics it's an infectious link. one day they > will find > > the gene that compels doctors to blame genes for every medical > > condition … > > > > > > > > http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm? > ID=7170 & Reviewed=YES > > > > Strong Maternal Connection Identified for Adolescents with CFS by > Editor > > ImmuneSupport.com > > > > 06-20-2006 > > > > Note: This article includes our follow-up suggestions regarding its > > implications for families in which a mother is diagnosed with CFS. > > > > Mothers of adolescents diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome > (CFS) were > > 5.3 times more likely to report fatigue, and 8.4 times more likely > to report > > depression than mothers of healthy adolescents, according to a > cross-section > > study conducted by physicians at Utrecht University Medical Center > in the > > Netherlands and reported in the June 2006 issue of the journal > Pediatrics. > > Mean overall statistics indicate the CFS-patient mothers differed > from > > mothers of healthy youngsters " on all measurements of fatigue and > > fatigue-associated symptoms, including sleep. " And 9 of the 40 CFS- > patient > > mothers (roughly 22 percent) " fulfilled CDC criteria for CFS. " > Importantly, > > no such association was found for the fathers of the CFS and > healthy > > adolescent study cohorts. > > Overall, the study seems to add a piece to the body of knowledge > regarding > > the etiology of CFS, while also generating a host of new issues to > be > > investigated. > > The findings expand upon those of other studies, including for > example a > > major twin study " confirming the familial aggregation of CFS and > suggesting > > that genes may play a role, " and CFS " subjects' reports of illness > in first > > degree relatives, " suggesting that relatives of patients with CFS > had > > significantly higher rates of CFS than relatives of patients " with > another > > chronic illness. " > > The authors suggest their study may be the first to discriminate > between the > > incidence of CFS symptoms in CFS subjects' mothers and fathers. > And they > > conclude that " the clustering of symptoms in mother and child > suggests > > genetic transfer and gene-environment interaction. " Specifically, > it " may > > point to a gene-environment interaction in which the child not > only inherits > > the genetic characteristics of the mother, but these maternal > > characteristics also function as environment factors for the > child. " > > Study Design The study involved 40 adolescents diagnosed with CFS > according > > to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention criteria, and their > mothers > > and fathers; as well as a healthy control cohort of 36 adolescents > and their > > mothers and fathers. The groups were closely matched for gender > composition, > > number of siblings, ages (12 to 18, average age 16), and intact > families. > > All completed Checklist Individual Strength (CIS) questionnaires > regarding > > fatigue, Symptom Checklist-90 questionnaires covering fatigue- > associated > > symptoms and psychopathology, and various other measurement tools. > > For more information on this study, see the original > article " Mirrored > > Symptoms in Mother and Child With Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, " by > Elise M. van > > de Putte, MD, et al., in the June 2006 issue of the journal > Pediatrics, at > > http://pediatrics.aappublications.org > > What Does This Mean For You? > > 1. Families in which the mother suffers from CFS should be > alert to symptoms > > of CFS in their teenaged and young adult children, as the genetic > component > > and interaction with a CFS sufferer may combine to bring on > symptoms earlier > > among children who are susceptible. > > 2. Many symptoms of CFS, such as fatigue, sleep problems, and > depression can > > be maked or mimicked by normal teenage behaviors and lifestyles. > Knowing > > that CFS may be genetic can lead to earlier identification, > diagnosis, and > > treatment to improve outcomes and quality of life for the family. > > 3. Patients need to be aware that the symptoms manifested by > the mother may > > increase the symptoms of the teenager through their interactions. > The > > additional physical and emotional stress of CFS in a parent may > accentuate > > the symptoms in the child, in both the short and long term. > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: > 19/06/2006 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 You gave me nothing here Tony, I have had this opinion way before I every heard of the Dumbaussie. Posted this opinion all over the internet in the past few years. I have said in the past few days here, that I believe pathogens to be at the root of most all of our health issues. Problem is, you don't listen! If it doesn't fit your theory, then we're all stupid. Being passionate, having guts and determination have nothing to do with being an arrogant arse. Your message would be much better received if you learned how to talk to people. You think you hold the ticket on " push and shove " Dr. appts. nope, doesn't make you special, most have done that battle. Talking to OUR American doctors, doesn't make you special. Just because they return conversation, doesn't particularly mean they like you either. Heck, I talk to you. The ONLY thing I have learned from coversation with you is that staph is another bug I will pursue. All other conclusions I got to on my own, pre, the Aussie Pain in the Arse. > > > > > > > > > Mothers and mothers ***only*** , chronic fatigue & depression > > linked to > > > their children's CFS . > > > I do make the association in my web site ..I see the same old > > explanation > > > " genetics " it's not genetics it's an infectious link. one day > they > > will find > > > the gene that compels doctors to blame genes for every medical > > > condition … > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm? > > ID=7170 & Reviewed=YES > > > > > > Strong Maternal Connection Identified for Adolescents with CFS > by > > Editor > > > ImmuneSupport.com > > > > > > 06-20-2006 > > > > > > Note: This article includes our follow-up suggestions regarding > its > > > implications for families in which a mother is diagnosed with > CFS. > > > > > > Mothers of adolescents diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome > > (CFS) were > > > 5.3 times more likely to report fatigue, and 8.4 times more > likely > > to report > > > depression than mothers of healthy adolescents, according to a > > cross-section > > > study conducted by physicians at Utrecht University Medical > Center > > in the > > > Netherlands and reported in the June 2006 issue of the journal > > Pediatrics. > > > Mean overall statistics indicate the CFS-patient mothers > differed > > from > > > mothers of healthy youngsters " on all measurements of fatigue and > > > fatigue-associated symptoms, including sleep. " And 9 of the 40 > CFS- > > patient > > > mothers (roughly 22 percent) " fulfilled CDC criteria for CFS. " > > Importantly, > > > no such association was found for the fathers of the CFS and > > healthy > > > adolescent study cohorts. > > > Overall, the study seems to add a piece to the body of knowledge > > regarding > > > the etiology of CFS, while also generating a host of new issues > to > > be > > > investigated. > > > The findings expand upon those of other studies, including for > > example a > > > major twin study " confirming the familial aggregation of CFS and > > suggesting > > > that genes may play a role, " and CFS " subjects' reports of > illness > > in first > > > degree relatives, " suggesting that relatives of patients with > CFS > > had > > > significantly higher rates of CFS than relatives of > patients " with > > another > > > chronic illness. " > > > The authors suggest their study may be the first to discriminate > > between the > > > incidence of CFS symptoms in CFS subjects' mothers and fathers. > > And they > > > conclude that " the clustering of symptoms in mother and child > > suggests > > > genetic transfer and gene-environment interaction. " > Specifically, > > it " may > > > point to a gene-environment interaction in which the child not > > only inherits > > > the genetic characteristics of the mother, but these maternal > > > characteristics also function as environment factors for the > > child. " > > > Study Design The study involved 40 adolescents diagnosed with > CFS > > according > > > to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention criteria, and > their > > mothers > > > and fathers; as well as a healthy control cohort of 36 > adolescents > > and their > > > mothers and fathers. The groups were closely matched for gender > > composition, > > > number of siblings, ages (12 to 18, average age 16), and intact > > families. > > > All completed Checklist Individual Strength (CIS) questionnaires > > regarding > > > fatigue, Symptom Checklist-90 questionnaires covering fatigue- > > associated > > > symptoms and psychopathology, and various other measurement > tools. > > > For more information on this study, see the original > > article " Mirrored > > > Symptoms in Mother and Child With Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, " by > > Elise M. van > > > de Putte, MD, et al., in the June 2006 issue of the journal > > Pediatrics, at > > > http://pediatrics.aappublications.org > > > What Does This Mean For You? > > > 1. Families in which the mother suffers from CFS should be > > alert to symptoms > > > of CFS in their teenaged and young adult children, as the > genetic > > component > > > and interaction with a CFS sufferer may combine to bring on > > symptoms earlier > > > among children who are susceptible. > > > 2. Many symptoms of CFS, such as fatigue, sleep problems, and > > depression can > > > be maked or mimicked by normal teenage behaviors and lifestyles. > > Knowing > > > that CFS may be genetic can lead to earlier identification, > > diagnosis, and > > > treatment to improve outcomes and quality of life for the family. > > > 3. Patients need to be aware that the symptoms manifested by > > the mother may > > > increase the symptoms of the teenager through their > interactions. > > The > > > additional physical and emotional stress of CFS in a parent may > > accentuate > > > the symptoms in the child, in both the short and long term. > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: > > 19/06/2006 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Excuse me I was sitting back going UHHH!!! your father got an infection. I was saying it was already the problem that bought him to his situation. You then went on to discuss the staph heart valve and the knee staph problem years earlier could not be possably linked- you now seem to have shifted towards the dumb aussie direction wheras previously you didn't. You also come on and told us how massive an infection your daughter had near her brain- and it got me started on the connect the dots post. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mothers and mothers ***only*** , chronic fatigue & > depression > > > linked to > > > > their children's CFS . > > > > I do make the association in my web site ..I see the same old > > > explanation > > > > " genetics " it's not genetics it's an infectious link. one day > > they > > > will find > > > > the gene that compels doctors to blame genes for every medical > > > > condition … > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm? > > > ID=7170 & Reviewed=YES > > > > > > > > Strong Maternal Connection Identified for Adolescents with CFS > > by > > > Editor > > > > ImmuneSupport.com > > > > > > > > 06-20-2006 > > > > > > > > Note: This article includes our follow-up suggestions > regarding > > its > > > > implications for families in which a mother is diagnosed with > > CFS. > > > > > > > > Mothers of adolescents diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome > > > (CFS) were > > > > 5.3 times more likely to report fatigue, and 8.4 times more > > likely > > > to report > > > > depression than mothers of healthy adolescents, according to a > > > cross-section > > > > study conducted by physicians at Utrecht University Medical > > Center > > > in the > > > > Netherlands and reported in the June 2006 issue of the journal > > > Pediatrics. > > > > Mean overall statistics indicate the CFS-patient mothers > > differed > > > from > > > > mothers of healthy youngsters " on all measurements of fatigue > and > > > > fatigue-associated symptoms, including sleep. " And 9 of the 40 > > CFS- > > > patient > > > > mothers (roughly 22 percent) " fulfilled CDC criteria for CFS. " > > > Importantly, > > > > no such association was found for the fathers of the CFS and > > > healthy > > > > adolescent study cohorts. > > > > Overall, the study seems to add a piece to the body of > knowledge > > > regarding > > > > the etiology of CFS, while also generating a host of new > issues > > to > > > be > > > > investigated. > > > > The findings expand upon those of other studies, including for > > > example a > > > > major twin study " confirming the familial aggregation of CFS > and > > > suggesting > > > > that genes may play a role, " and CFS " subjects' reports of > > illness > > > in first > > > > degree relatives, " suggesting that relatives of patients with > > CFS > > > had > > > > significantly higher rates of CFS than relatives of > > patients " with > > > another > > > > chronic illness. " > > > > The authors suggest their study may be the first to > discriminate > > > between the > > > > incidence of CFS symptoms in CFS subjects' mothers and > fathers. > > > And they > > > > conclude that " the clustering of symptoms in mother and child > > > suggests > > > > genetic transfer and gene-environment interaction. " > > Specifically, > > > it " may > > > > point to a gene-environment interaction in which the child not > > > only inherits > > > > the genetic characteristics of the mother, but these maternal > > > > characteristics also function as environment factors for the > > > child. " > > > > Study Design The study involved 40 adolescents diagnosed with > > CFS > > > according > > > > to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention criteria, and > > their > > > mothers > > > > and fathers; as well as a healthy control cohort of 36 > > adolescents > > > and their > > > > mothers and fathers. The groups were closely matched for > gender > > > composition, > > > > number of siblings, ages (12 to 18, average age 16), and > intact > > > families. > > > > All completed Checklist Individual Strength (CIS) > questionnaires > > > regarding > > > > fatigue, Symptom Checklist-90 questionnaires covering fatigue- > > > associated > > > > symptoms and psychopathology, and various other measurement > > tools. > > > > For more information on this study, see the original > > > article " Mirrored > > > > Symptoms in Mother and Child With Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, " > by > > > Elise M. van > > > > de Putte, MD, et al., in the June 2006 issue of the journal > > > Pediatrics, at > > > > http://pediatrics.aappublications.org > > > > What Does This Mean For You? > > > > 1. Families in which the mother suffers from CFS should > be > > > alert to symptoms > > > > of CFS in their teenaged and young adult children, as the > > genetic > > > component > > > > and interaction with a CFS sufferer may combine to bring on > > > symptoms earlier > > > > among children who are susceptible. > > > > 2. Many symptoms of CFS, such as fatigue, sleep > problems, and > > > depression can > > > > be maked or mimicked by normal teenage behaviors and > lifestyles. > > > Knowing > > > > that CFS may be genetic can lead to earlier identification, > > > diagnosis, and > > > > treatment to improve outcomes and quality of life for the > family. > > > > 3. Patients need to be aware that the symptoms > manifested by > > > the mother may > > > > increase the symptoms of the teenager through their > > interactions. > > > The > > > > additional physical and emotional stress of CFS in a parent > may > > > accentuate > > > > the symptoms in the child, in both the short and long term. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: > > > 19/06/2006 > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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