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Mark, thanks for providing an open forum on

this big issue.

a) I work as a manager in a large health

system with a group of over 22 inpatient and

outpatient departments. Consistency of

paperwork, abbreviations, and reducing

duplication of information as the patient

moves through the system are some of our

major challenges.

With regard to clear reimbursable

documentation, I have taken the following

approach.

We are currently updating our facility

charge master and likewise online

documentation and charging system. We are

establish a consistent use of the CPT code

description for like charges across the

system both in the documentation and

charging entities as well as on the charge

master. We are beginning to educate our

therapists in the long descriptions found in

the CPT manual and recommending a

" connect-the-dots " approach. By this I mean

that therapist are being taught to

encorporate the language of the CPT

description into their clinical

documentation. Thus, the note matches the

bill which matches the CPT manual

description. In our outpatient departments

this is already proving to be in our favor

with the payors. We have reduced our

denials and are minimizing the chance that a

first level claims reviewer can deny the

claim.

We have been computerized for about 4-5

years. Unfortunately the current system is

TDS in that it requires entry on multiple

screens to complete a note. There has been

talk of updating the system to encorpate the

charging and documentation systems as one.

The idea being that the selection of certain

" documented " words combined with time spans

will trigger certain charges. To date we

have not set out to accomplish this.

Lane, MHS,MS,PT

Rehab Manager - Operations

Orlando Regional Heathcare System

Orlando, Florida

>>> " Mark K. Dwyer "

07/16/98 02:46pm >>>

>> 1. What is the biggest issue at your

facility concerning documentation

from

>> a) management's per perspective

To be sure that what therapists document

paints a clear picture of the

patient's case and also justifies the

provision of therapy services to

third party payors.

>> B) the staff therapist's perspective?

Brevity and lack of duplication. I believe

therapists are still more

concerned with treating patients than with

hassling with paperwork,

therefore, sometimes not enough time is

spent on documentation (or can be

spent depending on caseload). I like the

idea of moving to computerized

documentation for two reasons:

--> is easier to pull up past

information, making note completion

quicker

--> is legible

--> can have " required fields " where

therapists MUST document -->

avoids the " forget " factor

>> 2. What resources are used to resolve

these issues?

We and many other facilties are utilizing

computers to make things better.

While the learning curve for computers can

be steep, the ultimate payoff

will hopefully be worth it in the form of

decreased time demands, improved

readibility, and improved standardization.

>> I'm studying the topic of documentation

among healthcare workers and

third party payors ( primarily managed care

>> organizations) and some

interesting trends are becoming very

apparent.

I would be interested to hear about the

trends you are discovering.

Mark Dwyer, MHA, PT

Manager of Rehabilitation Services

Bethany Medical Center

51 North 12th Street

Kansas City KS 66102

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We are getting ready to " go live " using the Meditech computerized

documentation system in my hospital and outpatient clinic. One of the nice

things it does is " point of care " charging. That is a system where each

charge item on my charge master has its own note. So, every day when

therapists do their daily notes, they are documenting in one of these areas

based on what they charged. It makes it impossible to forget to document

on a charge item. It also assures that all charges entered have

documentation pertaining to them. The other nice thing is it eliminates

the need to complete a separate charge sheet with a billing clerk spending

2-3 hours per day keying it into the system.

The only problem, however, is that therapists sometimes forget to charge

the proper amount of units. So we will get to daily audits (fun, fun). Oh

well, we have to take the good with the bad.

Mark Dwyer, MHA, PT

Kansas City, Kansas

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I commend you on your approach, that is exactly what we teach through the

annual APTA coding seminars. We encourage therapists/administrators to

closely match or crosswalk their clinical services to the appropriate CPT

code and do it consistently in any given provider location. We encourage

therapists to utilize the nomenclature in the various codes to further

describe their clinical services in the medical record. When discussing

CPT codes and billing procedures with payers, this definitely gets the

" thumbs up " response in terms of helping them to adjudicate the claim.

Helene M. Fearon, PT

Phoenix, AZ

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Question to Helene or others regarding cpt code for PT re-evaluation

97002. When is this code appropriate? And what level of documentation

is expected for reimbursement?

Allan B. Trumbull, Director P.T.

Mount Clemens General Hospital

Mt. Clemens, MI 48043

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> Re: Documentation

>

> ,

> I commend you on your approach, that is exactly what we teach through

> the

> annual APTA coding seminars. We encourage therapists/administrators

> to

> closely match or crosswalk their clinical services to the appropriate

> CPT

> code and do it consistently in any given provider location. We

> encourage

> therapists to utilize the nomenclature in the various codes to further

> describe their clinical services in the medical record. When

> discussing

> CPT codes and billing procedures with payers, this definitely gets the

> " thumbs up " response in terms of helping them to adjudicate the claim.

>

> Helene M. Fearon, PT

> Phoenix, AZ

> Member AMA CPT Healthcare Professionals Advisory Committee

>

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It has been recommended at our facility that we use this code 1)any time

a patient's status has changed enough to indicate a re-eval 2)any time

that the PT is reassessing the patient's plan of care and instituting new

guidelines for the PTA and 3) possibly when patient's are D/C'd from

subacute to Med-Surg and then return to the subacute unit within 48

hours.

Any comments or other recommendations would be helpful.

Tina

Indianapolis, IN

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97002 PT re-evaluation is used when your patient has had a significant

change that requires that you make a change in the plan of care......saying

that , the documentation should include information related to the change

(worse? better?) the related change in the POC and the new expected goals

and outcomes...... If there is a charge for a re-eval and the POC remains

unchanged, that re-eval may not be interpreted by the payer as being

medically necessary. Medicare has accepted the re-eval code (was the

" Q104 " ) every thirty days with documentation to support....this essentially

is still the payment policy, although if the documentation supports it the

carrier has paid for the service in many cases. Others payers are across

the board on payment policy for this code...but the key is appropriate

documentation to support the use of the code.

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To all, Thank you for the specifics on 97002 cpt code.

Allan B. Trumbull, Director P.T.

Mount Clemens General Hospital

Mt. Clemens, MI 48043

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> Re: Documentation

>

> 97002 PT re-evaluation is used when your patient has had a significant

> change that requires that you make a change in the plan of

> care......saying

> that , the documentation should include information related to the

> change

> (worse? better?) the related change in the POC and the new expected

> goals

> and outcomes...... If there is a charge for a re-eval and the POC

> remains

> unchanged, that re-eval may not be interpreted by the payer as being

> medically necessary. Medicare has accepted the re-eval code (was the

> " Q104 " ) every thirty days with documentation to support....this

> essentially

> is still the payment policy, although if the documentation supports it

> the

> carrier has paid for the service in many cases. Others payers are

> across

> the board on payment policy for this code...but the key is appropriate

> documentation to support the use of the code.

>

> Helene Fearon, PT

>

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The issue of documentation has been a " hot " one for us. I manage 24

pediatric therapists (PT, OT, and ST) in both rehab and school-based

settings. We have developed forms that encourage documentation of function

versus merely qualitative information (which has been difficult for the

therapists to discard). We have had success in obtaining TPP approval

using this approach. We are interested in anyone who may have found

computerized documentation for the pediatric population. Also, I

inadvertently deleted the reference to the documentation publication

someone mentioned. As I recall , it was written at least in part by a

pediatric PT. I would appreciate someone giving me the name of it again.

Lori Dominiczak, MS, PT

Pediatric Coordinator

Cedar Haven Rehabilitation Agency

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Subject: Documentation

Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 1:46 PM

>> 1. What is the biggest issue at your facility concerning documentation

from

>> a) management's per perspective

To be sure that what therapists document paints a clear picture of the

patient's case and also justifies the provision of therapy services to

third party payors.

>> B) the staff therapist's perspective?

Brevity and lack of duplication. I believe therapists are still more

concerned with treating patients than with hassling with paperwork,

therefore, sometimes not enough time is spent on documentation (or can be

spent depending on caseload). I like the idea of moving to computerized

documentation for two reasons:

--> is easier to pull up past information, making note completion

quicker

--> is legible

--> can have " required fields " where therapists MUST document -->

avoids the " forget " factor

>> 2. What resources are used to resolve these issues?

We and many other facilties are utilizing computers to make things better.

While the learning curve for computers can be steep, the ultimate payoff

will hopefully be worth it in the form of decreased time demands, improved

readibility, and improved standardization.

>> I'm studying the topic of documentation among healthcare workers and

third party payors ( primarily managed care >> organizations) and some

interesting trends are becoming very apparent.

I would be interested to hear about the trends you are discovering.

Mark Dwyer, MHA, PT

Manager of Rehabilitation Services

Bethany Medical Center

51 North 12th Street

Kansas City KS 66102

(Phone)

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73614.2302@...

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I think a few of us would love to see that document. Thanks in advance for

sharing.

Rolando Lazaro, PT, GCS

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I would love to have it also. I have Powerpoint. thanks.

tkapusta@...

> Re: Documentation

>

>

>Does anyone have a successful flowsheet or streamlined documentation

>tool that you are using in a SNF? We are looking at decreasing are

>documentation time under PPS. Thanks

>

>Randy Titony

>Executive Director, RehabSource

>

>Yes, I have worked out something if your interested. Do you have a

>graphics

>program.

>

>

>Steve Marcum P.T.

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I would love to see it as well. I have Powerpoint. Thanks!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Todd Cepica, P.T.

Assistant Director

Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation

University Medical Center

Lubbock, Tx 79417

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Re: Documentation

>

>

>Does anyone have a successful flowsheet or streamlined documentation

>tool that you are using in a SNF? We are looking at decreasing are

>documentation time under PPS. Thanks

>

>Randy Titony

>Executive Director, RehabSource

>

>Yes, I have worked out something if your interested. Do you have a

>graphics

>program.

>

>

>Steve Marcum P.T.

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I would also like to see a copy. Thanks again for sharing!

Dean Myers, MS, PT

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Re: Documentation

Does anyone have a successful flowsheet or streamlined documentation

tool that you are using in a SNF? We are looking at decreasing are

documentation time under PPS. Thanks

Randy Titony

Executive Director, RehabSource

Yes, I have worked out something if your interested. Do you have a graphics

program.

Steve Marcum P.T.

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