Mark London on Recuperation, why it works

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a

I can't understand how you say 'recup- go figure'. This defies,

commonsense the facts about needing to increase your blood volume is

evident since day 1 in these iilnesses- you basically don't have an

immune system if your blood ain't going everywhere.

Hey Tony,

Yes, yes, I know this and have eaten extra salt since 1996, but

this is different, and I am so excited about it. I think the sodium citrate is

doing a LOT more than this. I hope everyone on

this list reads Mark London’s ideas on why he thinks Recuperation might

be helping. It’s not what we think, not really.

Here’s the link:

http:/.web.mit.edu/London/www/RRR.htm

a

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a,

Here is the Mark London link to his Recup page

http://web.mit.edu/london/www/RRR.htm

The link you posted didn't work

I think what Mark did is very interesting, I have been meaning to look into it for myself

Nelly

[infections] Mark London on Recuperation, why it works

aI can't understand how you say 'recup- go figure'. This defies, commonsense the facts about needing to increase your blood volume is evident since day 1 in these iilnesses- you basically don't have an immune system if your blood ain't going everywhere.

Hey Tony,

Yes, yes, I know this and have eaten extra salt since 1996, but this is different, and I am so excited about it. I think the sodium citrate is doing a LOT more than this. I hope everyone on this list reads Mark London’s ideas on why he thinks Recuperation might be helping. It’s not what we think, not really.

Here’s the link:

http:/.web.mit.edu/London/www/RRR.htm

a

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This study that Mark points to is interesting not only because of the use of magnesium, but because it was published by someone who came up with a successful self-treatment. Hmm, maybe some of you who have gotten better would like to publish. Barb?- Kate1: Ann Pharmacother. 2002 Feb;36(2):255-60. Related Articles, Links    Click here to read     High-dose oral magnesium treatment of chronic, intractable erythromelalgia.    Cohen JS.    Department of Family and Preventive Medicine, University of California-San Diego, La Jolla, CA, USA. jacohen@...    BACKGROUND: Previous studies with magnesium have shown beneficial effects in pain syndromes and in vascular disorders (hypertension, migraines, Raynaud's phenomenon). However, results have been variable, possibly because of the limited oral doses achievable due to frequent diarrhea. OBJECTIVE: To describe the case of a 53-year-old white man (the author) with disabling erythromelalgia (EM) who achieved modest improvement limited by adverse effects with calcium antagonists and then obtained remission with the use of magnesium. Intolerant of several standard magnesium products, he attained high doses of magnesium by taking intravenous-grade magnesium sulfate diluted in water orally (up to 24 mL/d of MgSO4 50% = 1166 mg/d of magnesium). On Jun 5, 2006, at 6:26 AM, Nelly Pointis wrote:a, Here is the Mark London link to his Recup page http://web.mit.edu/london/www/RRR.htm

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In the 25+ years I used alternative treatments (and mineral

balancing) to keep myself functioning, I never found a magic bullet

as in the case cited in the article.

Magnesium (and cacium) balancing is extremely important, but so are

all the rest of the elements.

An area I really differ from most other people though is my

consumption of medium to long chain fats. I quite often eat in excess

of 60 grams of fat in a day (in the form of oils and dairy), and

most of that is saturated fats. Considering the daily intake should

be 15g or less - I don't recommend this to anyone, but in my case,

I've been eating this way for a long long long time... and saturated

fats ALWAYS made me feel better.

Now that I have Lyme in submission (that's not a typo) I don't crave

fats as much as I did - but people can shudder when they see me eat a

Fat Sandwich, chased with a 8 oz. Half & Half.

Barb

PS- because I have had competition horses all my life- I understood

how important the elements (electrolytes) are in cell functioning.

When I look at the ingredients and ratios of alot of these balanced

human electrolyte supplements - I have no doubt that these are

helping people.

>

> > a,

> >

> > Here is the Mark London link to his Recup page

> >

> > http://web.mit.edu/london/www/RRR.htm

>

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Barb,

I want to clarify that I absolutely do not

believe Recuperation is the magic cure for Lyme. In fact I am still on

antibiotics. What I do think is that Recuperation seems to be the product that

is helping my tendons repair and possibly CNS damage from quinolones.

Having said that let me hasten to add that

I am still taking 800 mg of magnesium taurinate a day. Yes, I agree that there

isn’t one drink that is a magic fix.

a

In the 25+ years I used alternative treatments (and

mineral

balancing) to keep myself functioning, I never found a magic bullet

as in the case cited in the article.

Magnesium (and cacium) balancing is extremely important, but so are

all the rest of the elements.

An area I really differ from most other people though is my

consumption of medium to long chain fats. I quite often eat in excess

of 60 grams of fat in a day (in the form of oils and dairy), and

most of that is saturated fats. Considering the daily intake should

be 15g or less - I don't recommend this to anyone, but in my case,

I've been eating this way for a long long long time... and saturated

fats ALWAYS made me feel better.

Now that I have Lyme in submission (that's not a typo) I don't crave

fats as much as I did - but people can shudder when they see me eat a

Fat Sandwich, chased with a 8 oz. Half & Half.

Barb

PS- because I have had competition horses all my life- I understood

how important the elements (electrolytes) are in cell functioning.

When I look at the ingredients and ratios of alot of these balanced

human electrolyte supplements - I have no doubt that these are

helping people.

>

> > a,

> >

> > Here is the Mark London link to his Recup page

> >

> > http://web.mit.edu/london/www/RRR.htm

>

[Guest guest]

The point I'm trying to make is that heathy living bodies need the

correct amount and ratios of minerals to function correctly at the

cellular level...

Ill people may have one or more impairments due to an imbalance - and

when that's corrected, real benefits are noticed.

This product is probably supplying your body with what it needs to

make some repairs.

Barb.

> >

> > > a,

> > >

> > > Here is the Mark London link to his Recup page

> > >

> > > http://web.mit.edu/london/www/RRR.htm

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

[Guest guest]

Barb,

I have a lot of respect for your

understanding of the disease(s). How did you determine what minerals to take?

Do you have any advice?

Thanks,

a

The point I'm trying to make is that heathy living bodies need the

correct amount and ratios of minerals to function correctly at the

cellular level...

Ill people may have one or more impairments due to an imbalance - and

when that's corrected, real benefits are noticed.

This product is probably supplying your body with what it needs to

make some repairs.

Barb.

[Guest guest]

It takes a while too understand minerals relationship to each other

and in the body- their synergism or their antagonism - and how to

balance a deficiency.

The best reference book is : " Mineral tolerances of Domestic Animals "

by the Natioal Academy Press. It's a $90.00 reference book, but well

worth it.

I also have a reference book on the microminerals - but I don't have

the title handy.

Barb

>

> Barb,

>

> I have a lot of respect for your understanding of the disease(s).

How did

> you determine what minerals to take? Do you have any advice?

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

> a

>

>

>

> The point I'm trying to make is that heathy living bodies need the

> correct amount and ratios of minerals to function correctly at the

> cellular level...

>

> Ill people may have one or more impairments due to an imbalance -

and

> when that's corrected, real benefits are noticed.

>

> This product is probably supplying your body with what it needs to

> make some repairs.

>

> Barb.

>

>

>

> _____

>

[Guest guest]

I am not surprised. It does seem the vets

know animals better than docs know humans.

Do you have any opinion about Blasi’s

Recuperation? His claim is that the mineral combo is the exact combo found in

the cells and thus it is absorbed better – I hope that is an accurate

statement of his opinion.

As you know, I am having good success with

it – helping the damaged tendons. Part of the help is that now I can

exercise again so probably getting more blood flow to the tendons and muscles.

But also I seem to have less oxygen hunger.

a

It takes a while too understand minerals relationship

to each other

and in the body- their synergism or their antagonism - and how to

balance a deficiency.

The best reference book is : " Mineral tolerances of Domestic Animals "

by the Natioal Academy Press. It's a $90.00 reference book, but well

worth it.

I also have a reference book on the microminerals - but I don't have

the title handy.

Barb

>

> Barb,

>

> I have a lot of respect for your understanding of the disease(s).

How did

> you determine what minerals to take? Do you have any advice?

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

> a

>

>

>

> The point I'm trying to make is that heathy living bodies need the

> correct amount and ratios of minerals to function correctly at the

> cellular level...

>

> Ill people may have one or more impairments due to an imbalance -

and

> when that's corrected, real benefits are noticed.

>

> This product is probably supplying your body with what it needs to

> make some repairs.

>

> Barb.

>

>

>

> _____

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah. I'm not sure about this "balance" being as critical as Blasi thinks. Perhaps it was for HIS imbalance. In his response to Mark's assessment over at the blasi group, it was pretty clear that he doesn't know much about angiotensin, etc., which Mark is attributing to part of the recup-eration's success rate. Also, my husband looked at it because we were going to reproduce it rather than order it from spain, and also because as a scientist he couldn't see a justifiable reason for that particular balance being important. He wrote to Blasi to get some clarification on the balance and the type of sodium, but never got a response. Too bad, because my husband travels to Spain, and even suggested that they meet. This sort of makes me wonder if perhaps London has the better take on it, at least scientifically. Of course, it was Blasis' creation and that's huge, if it's really helping

so many people. penny a Carnes <pj7@...> wrote: I am not surprised. It does seem the vets know animals better than docs know humans. Do you have any opinion about Blasi’s Recuperation? His claim is that the mineral combo is the exact combo found in the cells and thus it is absorbed better – I hope that is an accurate statement of his opinion. As you know, I am having good success with it – helping the damaged tendons. Part of the help is that now I can exercise again so probably getting more blood flow to the tendons and muscles. But also I seem to have less oxygen hunger. a It takes a while too understand minerals relationship to each other and in the body- their synergism or their antagonism - and how to balance a deficiency.The best reference book is : "Mineral tolerances of Domestic Animals" by the Natioal Academy Press. It's a $90.00 reference book, but well worth it.I also have a reference book on the microminerals - but I don't have the title handy.Barb>> Barb,> > I have a lot of respect for your

understanding of the disease(s). How did> you determine what minerals to take? Do you have any advice?> > > > Thanks,> > a> > > > The point I'm trying to make is that heathy living bodies need the > correct amount and ratios of minerals to function correctly at the > cellular level... > > Ill people may have one or more impairments due to an imbalance - and > when that's corrected, real benefits are noticed.> > This product is probably supplying your body with what it needs to > make some repairs.> > Barb.> > > > _____>

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I think the electrolytes are vital, and by a little playing with mag,

and potassium one should find the missing keys.

Im taking potassium and mag as needed.

bleu

On 6 Jun 2006, at 23:49, Penny Houle wrote:

> Yeah. I'm not sure about this " balance " being as critical as Blasi

> thinks. Perhaps it was for HIS imbalance. In his response to Mark's

> assessment over at the blasi group, it was pretty clear that he

> doesn't know much about angiotensin, etc., which Mark is attributing

> to part of the recup-eration's success rate.

>  

> Also, my husband looked at it because we were going to reproduce it

> rather than order it from spain, and also because as a scientist he

> couldn't see a justifiable reason for that particular balance being

> important. He wrote to Blasi to get some clarification on the balance

> and the type of sodium, but never got a response. Too bad, because my

> husband travels to Spain, and even suggested that they meet.

>  

> This sort of makes me wonder if perhaps London has the better take on

> it, at least scientifically. Of course, it was Blasis' creation and

> that's huge, if it's really helping so many people.

>  

> penny

>  

>

>

> a Carnes <pj7@...> wrote:

>> I am not surprised. It does seem the vets know animals better than

>> docs know humans.

>> Do you have any opinion about Blasi’s Recuperation? His claim is that

>> the mineral combo is the exact combo found in the cells and thus it

>> is absorbed better – I hope that is an accurate statement of his

>> opinion.

>> As you know, I am having good success with it – helping the damaged

>> tendons. Part of the help is that now I can exercise again so

>> probably getting more blood flow to the tendons and muscles. But also

>> I seem to have less oxygen hunger.

>> a

>> It takes a while too understand minerals relationship to each other

>> and in the body- their synergism or their antagonism - and how to

>> balance a deficiency.

>>

>> The best reference book is : " Mineral tolerances of Domestic Animals "

>> by the Natioal Academy Press. It's a $90.00 reference book, but well

>> worth it.

>>

>> I also have a reference book on the microminerals - but I don't have

>> the title handy.

>>

>> Barb

>>

>>

>> >

>> > Barb,

>> >

>> > I have a lot of respect for your understanding of the disease(s).

>> How did

>> > you determine what minerals to take? Do you have any advice?

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Thanks,

>> >

>> > a

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > The point I'm trying to make is that heathy living bodies need the

>> > correct amount and ratios of minerals to function correctly at the

>> > cellular level...

>> >

>> > Ill people may have one or more impairments due to an imbalance -

>> and

>> > when that's corrected, real benefits are noticed.

>> >

>> > This product is probably supplying your body with what it needs to

>> > make some repairs.

>> >

>> > Barb.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > _____

>> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

---Hi Penny,

I met Alfred a few months ago in London over a coffee and I know he

is very willing to meet people. He is very genuine and sincere.

I would suggest posting your mail to him on the recup website as well

as to him personally as it would seem it didn't get it.

There are problems making your own which have been discussed on the

list archive.

He admitted to me that a current chronic infection will delay or even

block the effectiveness of Recup working. This I think expains the

variable response. a has obviously made progress on this before

trying Recup.

Sunny thoughts,

Wallace

In infections , Penny Houle

<pennyhoule@...> wrote:

>

> Yeah. I'm not sure about this " balance " being as critical as Blasi

thinks. Perhaps it was for HIS imbalance. In his response to Mark's

assessment over at the blasi group, it was pretty clear that he

doesn't know much about angiotensin, etc., which Mark is attributing

to part of the recup-eration's success rate.

>

> Also, my husband looked at it because we were going to reproduce

it rather than order it from spain, and also because as a scientist

he couldn't see a justifiable reason for that particular balance

being important. He wrote to Blasi to get some clarification on the

balance and the type of sodium, but never got a response. Too bad,

because my husband travels to Spain, and even suggested that they

meet.

>

> This sort of makes me wonder if perhaps London has the better

take on it, at least scientifically. Of course, it was Blasis'

creation and that's huge, if it's really helping so many people.

>

> penny

>

>

>

> a Carnes <pj7@...> wrote:

> I am not surprised. It does seem the vets know

animals better than docs know humans.

>

> Do you have any opinion about Blasi's Recuperation? His claim is

that the mineral combo is the exact combo found in the cells and thus

it is absorbed better – I hope that is an accurate statement of his

opinion.

>

> As you know, I am having good success with it – helping the

damaged tendons. Part of the help is that now I can exercise again so

probably getting more blood flow to the tendons and muscles. But also

I seem to have less oxygen hunger.

>

> a

> It takes a while too understand minerals relationship to

each other

> and in the body- their synergism or their antagonism - and how to

> balance a deficiency.

>

> The best reference book is : " Mineral tolerances of Domestic

Animals "

> by the Natioal Academy Press. It's a $90.00 reference book, but

well

> worth it.

>

> I also have a reference book on the microminerals - but I don't

have

> the title handy.

>

> Barb

>

>

> >

> > Barb,

> >

> > I have a lot of respect for your understanding of the disease(s).

> How did

> > you determine what minerals to take? Do you have any advice?

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > a

> >

> >

> >

> > The point I'm trying to make is that heathy living bodies need

the

> > correct amount and ratios of minerals to function correctly at

the

> > cellular level...

> >

> > Ill people may have one or more impairments due to an imbalance -

> and

> > when that's corrected, real benefits are noticed.

> >

> > This product is probably supplying your body with what it needs

to

> > make some repairs.

> >

> > Barb.

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I know there have been problems with the do-it-yourselfers and that's why I asked my husband about it. He's a chemist by training, and said there was no reason it couldn't be duplicated exactly and easily. He just wanted some clarification from Blasi based on the listed ingredients. So this was a disappointment to me that he didn't get a response. I'd much rather make it myself (a whole lot more for a LOT less money). I know Blasi's a good guy. And I'm very happy that he's been so generous in his efforts to help. But it's also possible that Mark has discovered some of the reasons it's working for people of which Alfred's completely unaware. pennyWallace Kingston <wpswallace@...> wrote: ---Hi Penny,I met Alfred a few months ago in London over a coffee and I know he is very willing to meet people. He is very genuine and sincere.I would suggest posting your mail to him on the recup website as well as to him personally as it would seem it didn't get it.There are problems making your own which have been discussed on the list archive.He admitted to me that a current chronic infection will delay or even block the effectiveness of Recup working. This I think expains the variable response. a has obviously made progress on this before trying Recup.Sunny thoughts,WallaceIn infections , Penny Houle <pennyhoule@...> wrote:>> Yeah. I'm not sure about this "balance" being as critical as Blasi thinks. Perhaps it was for HIS imbalance. In his response to Mark's assessment over at the blasi group, it was pretty clear that he doesn't know much about angiotensin, etc., which Mark is attributing to part of the recup-eration's success rate.> > Also, my husband looked at it because we were going to reproduce it rather than order it from spain, and also because as a scientist he couldn't see a justifiable reason for that particular balance being important. He wrote to Blasi to get some clarification on the balance and the type of sodium, but never got a response. Too bad, because my husband travels to Spain, and even suggested that they meet.> > This

sort of makes me wonder if perhaps London has the better take on it, at least scientifically. Of course, it was Blasis' creation and that's huge, if it's really helping so many people.> > penny> > > > a Carnes <pj7@...> wrote:> I am not surprised. It does seem the vets know animals better than docs know humans.> > Do you have any opinion about Blasi's Recuperation? His claim is that the mineral combo is the exact combo found in the cells and thus it is absorbed better – I hope that is an accurate statement of his opinion.> > As you know, I am having good success with it – helping the damaged tendons. Part of the help is that now I can exercise again so probably getting more blood flow to the tendons and muscles. But also I seem to have less oxygen hunger.> > a> It takes a while too understand minerals relationship to each

other > and in the body- their synergism or their antagonism - and how to > balance a deficiency.> > The best reference book is : "Mineral tolerances of Domestic Animals" > by the Natioal Academy Press. It's a $90.00 reference book, but well > worth it.> > I also have a reference book on the microminerals - but I don't have > the title handy.> > Barb> > > >> > Barb,> > > > I have a lot of respect for your understanding of the disease(s). > How did> > you determine what minerals to take? Do you have any advice?> > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > a> > > > > >

> > The point I'm trying to make is that heathy living bodies need the > > correct amount and ratios of minerals to function correctly at the > > cellular level... > > > > Ill people may have one or more impairments due to an imbalance - > and > > when that's corrected, real benefits are noticed.> > > > This product is probably supplying your body with what it needs to > > make some repairs.> > > > Barb.> > > > > > > > _____> >>

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I agree but the amounts of mg and potassium in Recuperation are so

small that they're almost negligible. Unless small dosing is somehow

better absorbed over time? My guess is that people are feeling

better mainly because of the regular sodium intake. Maybe any amount

of mag and potassium are an improvement over people's current intake?

penny

> >> >

> >> > Barb,

> >> >

> >> > I have a lot of respect for your understanding of the disease

(s).

> >> How did

> >> > you determine what minerals to take? Do you have any advice?

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Thanks,

> >> >

> >> > a

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > The point I'm trying to make is that heathy living bodies

need the

> >> > correct amount and ratios of minerals to function correctly

at the

> >> > cellular level...

> >> >

> >> > Ill people may have one or more impairments due to an

imbalance -

> >> and

> >> > when that's corrected, real benefits are noticed.

> >> >

> >> > This product is probably supplying your body with what it

needs to

> >> > make some repairs.

> >> >

> >> > Barb.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > _____

> >> >

> >

> >

> >

>